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| | Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?Page 2 of 9 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) | Religion is the government's opiate..............it keeps the heard in line so to speak
Very true. However one can say the same thing about marriage, which is a cult idea of "sharing eternal life with your soulmate". In essence, wouldnt any atheists who marry be profoundly hypocritical? I always had trouble associating the notion. I know people are going to answer you can marry at the civil level, but...well what's the point? lol
I doubt if many people on here, regardless of their religiosity,or lack of it, would completely reject sexual fidelity in marriage as an ideal to aspire to. (I would possibly except the polyamorous, but they just have different ideas about marital fidelity)
See above. I don't understand the concept of marriage if it's not tied to religion. Living together and being married or not, would be pretty meaningless if it wasn't by religious inclinations...no? | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 10:00:25 AM | me being married has nothing to do with religion...............just like me having children doesn't (to most cults it does)
me celebrating x-mas has nothing to do with religion....all my choices ....not some fukin cults
what does your point say for gay marriage ???
and I didn't get married in church
Okay, try to stop for two seconds to be hatefull and immature and THINK about what I'm actually writing and TRY to answer like I'm half a human being instead of the c*ckroach you figure I am because of what I believe in. It's nice to know in 2012 who would have tried to stone me in 100 AD.......
What DO you get out of marriage, if it's not done for religious reasons? What is the POINT? You find it logical to celebrate a religious ceremony that you find ridiculous and say that all religions are cults...while following the basic traditions and holidays of one?
Xmas is a pagan ceremony stolen by the Church from an even older religion, which has NOTHING to do with the birth of Christ and everything to do with, I dunno, the Solstice or something? Yet people blindly and idiotically continue to claim on the roofs that all people who have religious beliefs are crazy morons. But hell, let's follow their traditions and THEM call them idiots, we'll feel a lot better.
So tell me, what is the POINT? I don't care if you married in the Catacombs of Venice, why did you? For money? So he wouldnt cheat on you? For the nifty paper? For the value of the wedding ring? What is the point of following the whole concept of Marriage, a RELIGIOUS concept, and then claiming all religions are crap?
And gays can do whatever the Hell they want, as long as their not trying to marry me. I wouldnt stone them for five cents. On the other hand, you'd swear at me and call me a religious crazy; you'd get a rock in the teeth. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 10:01:10 AM |
First on I doubt 80% of people in the USA identify themselves and even were that close to true the question is so what?
In the 2010 census, it was 76%. Let's just say that many checked the box, whether or not they regularly practice their faith is another discussion.
Interestingly- although only about 1% identified themselves as atheist or agnostic, 13% identified themselves as non-religious. This is the fastest growing segment. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 10:11:56 AM | | Most definitely. Grew up in a, for all practical purposes, atheistic home. The events of life led me to become a practicing Christian who holds firmly to the no sex before marriage ideal. Modern dating gets very frustrating because even within the church women who know exactly where I stand still try to get me to compromise on this. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 10:14:16 AM | Most definitely. Grew up in a, for all practical purposes, atheistic home. The events of life led me to become a practicing Christian who holds firmly to the no sex before marriage ideal. Modern dating gets very frustrating because even within the church women who know exactly where I stand still try to get me to compromise on this.
Well, people suck at respecting the beliefs of others. They mostly want you to say they are right, and then Kneel Before Zod....
The whole concept of Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Thought looks nifty on paper, but holds very little application in reality...
It's interesting.....probably 80% of the population also identifies as good-looking or "nice"....neither of those are probably true either
LOL Nice point Meems | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 10:57:52 AM | | Capn_America, marriage is not in itself a religious matter, and there are many legal and emotional benefits to it. I'm sorry that you view marriage merely as a spiritual union under God or some-such, but if I do choose to someday marry, it will be because I view it as a powerful emotional and physical commitment to the man I love and also choose to share the legalities that come along with it. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 11:05:54 AM | I'm sorry that you view marriage merely as a spiritual union under God or some-such, but if I do choose to someday marry, it will be because I view it as a powerful emotional and physical commitment to the man I love and also choose to share the legalities that come along with it.
I don't view it that way at all; it's what it IS. Marriage was invented by religions. The concept being two souls into one. It's not an opinion; it's a fact. And I'm not saying that only religious people should partake; I was responding to a poster who said all religions are cult and all people under said religion idiots. NO ONE in my book is an idiot because of WHAT they are, only because of what they DO.
That being said, my original question was, what is the advantage of marriage, for people who arent religious? The whole concept being of uniting two souls into one. Well, I hardly think for someone who is truly atheist, or dead-set against religion, this would be seen as a good, no not good, a necessary or desired thing. Especially considering marriage in the state it exists these days. So I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me the benefits of it. Hopefully in a normal, and non-hatefull way? That asking too much? LOL
I mean, you can commit without being married, and for someone who isnt religious, and who wouldnt chose to follow a tradition which has it's history entrenched irrevocably in religious belief, why would you even want to? That's the part I don't get.
How some people can so thoroughly hate religion with a furious ZEALOUS (pun lol) passion....yet docily not ask themselves the question as to why they follow the traditions associated with it. I'm wondering how many people still throw rice at newlyweds and not wonder where it came from LOL. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 11:13:00 AM | carolann0308 / Capn_America
carolann0308
I was raised as a Catholic and even attended a Catholic college for women, I am as about as sexually liberal as a woman can be with the man I love.
My parents Catholic parents are celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary this weekend and can barely keep their hands off each other. I think your Ex wife had far deeper issues than what church she attended.
My ex was raised by nuns from age 9 – 15, later in our marriage she worked in a rectory and cared for an aging priest. Then she got a position as a cook for the rectory. Nuns regularly used our swimming pool, we had masses in our home. I didn't have any problems with this, the nuns were often interesting people with varied backgrounds, the priest we were both holding his hands as he died, so things were often very emotional. My ex requested an annulment from me because she wishes to enter a convent.
Yes, she did have other issues that drove her more into the Church, her childhood was rather like Oliver Twist, one reason we stayed together for 13 years was I understood what she was had to deal with.
But she is a whole another level above just attending Catholic college.
My previous relationship prior to getting married was with a wild French national lady that I had a LTR with before my ex. Her philosophy of dating was the first 6 months was the honeymoon period, she was passionate, impulsive with a wild temper. Then I went onto a relationship with a women that used abortion as birth control and had two different beds, water and mattress, depending on what a guy really liked. She was sexually very permissive and emotionally completely cold.
You could say part of the reason I was attracted to my ex was she was the polar opposite of these women. When we got married she was a lot more liberal since she sort of considered herself a fallen Catholic.
Both myself and my first GF were virgins and Catholic, she was erotic and we were in a LTR for 10 years without getting married. For the next 30 years she was the best sexual relationship of my life, so I had thought most women were always sensual / erotic, little did I know this was rare.
I understand stating one is Catholic or christian doesn't preclude having a sensual relationship, but there is a underlying sexual intolerance that while not shared by everyone is common in the west in general and the USA more so.
The USA is a melting pot of many cultures, so it isn't hard to find a different cultural norm and as you say, many Catholics don't buy into the theology.
Capn_America
See above. I don't understand the concept of marriage if it's not tied to religion. Living together and being married or not, would be pretty meaningless if it wasn't by religious inclinations...no?
Both times I got married it had nothing to do with religion, and we got married by a judge. The first time it was mostly financial, we were living together, I did love her (maybe for the wrong reasons) and I had to move from WashDC to SanFran, the corporation pays for many benefits if you are married, and I didn't want to move yet again across the country all by myself and leave her behind. Nor did I think it was fair to her to move without a commitment by me to stay with her. At a later point we did get married in the Church, I mistakenly thought it would improve our marriage. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 11:21:55 AM |
I don't view it that way at all; it's what it IS. Marriage was invented by religions. The concept being two souls into one. It's not an opinion; it's a fact. And I'm not saying that only religious people should partake; I was responding to a poster who said all religions are cult and all people under said religion idiots. NO ONE in my book is an idiot because of WHAT they are, only because of what they DO.
That being said, my original question was, what is the advantage of marriage, for people who arent religious? The whole concept being of uniting two souls into one. Well, I hardly think for someone who is truly atheist, or dead-set against religion, this would be seen as a good, no not good, a necessary or desired thing. Especially considering marriage in the state it exists these days. So I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me the benefits of it. Hopefully in a normal, and non-hatefull way? That asking too much? LOL
I mean, you can commit without being married, and for someone who isnt religious, and who wouldnt chose to follow a tradition which has it's history entrenched irrevocably in religious belief, why would you even want to? That's the part I don't get.
How some people can so thoroughly hate religion with a furious ZEALOUS (pun lol) passion....yet docily not ask themselves the question as to why they follow the traditions associated with it. I'm wondering how many people still throw rice at newlyweds and not wonder where it came from LOL.
I don't think I've been hateful toward you or toward religion. I also disagree with your statement that marriage was invented by religions. Marriage has existed in various cultures for thousands of years and for many different reasons. Do you think all of those marriages where a young girl would basically be "sold" to another man was (and "is", unfortunately) so that their two souls would be joined forever under God, or for financial and/or mating reasons?
Marriage in the United States is a contract between two adults, and the reasons for it can vary from person to person. Some still do arranged marriages, some do it out of love, some do it for business purposes, some do it for insurance or tax purposes, some do it because they're gold-diggers, and some do it for other reasons. I'm not sure what other type of answer you're seeking. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 11:39:17 AM | I don't think I've been hateful toward you or toward religion
No you havent. Like I said, I was answering to someone else, so it's fine.
Marriage has existed in various cultures for thousands of years and for many different reasons. Do you think all of those marriages where a young girl would basically be "sold" to another man was (and "is", unfortunately) so that their two souls would be joined forever under God, or for financial and/or mating reasons?
Your right actually, my bad. I was reading the Wiki on that (thank God for the internet  ) and it clarified things. I've never been married, but besides doing it out of love, I've never seen any benefit to marriage. In a world where divorce is rampant, people argue and can't seem to respect the differences in one another, marriage is...well, getting superfluous lol. Marriage makes sense to me in a religious or love contacts, I have no idea what other advantages it would have, beyond that. I don't know how someone can profit from it financially or for business purpose or what not. However, also on the wiki, some of the reasons for people to get married are pretty...archaic.
Anyways, my point wasnt marriage. My point was no one should hate someone else's religion just because he believes in that. I may not be American, but if I could have, I would have been. I always believed in the Freedom you guys preach, and it saddens me no end when I see some people post such strong accusations at people based on their Faiths. It's kinda stupid, specially when said person has done nothing else.
So forME, marriage is a religious ceremony. And I'm not a very religious guy. I believe what I believe in, but Iwon't bother anyone with that. I just won't accept to be hit on the head for it. I wish same courtesy was extended by anyone else.
AND that people looked at posting history beforehand
@ Raina;
Both times I got married it had nothing to do with religion, and we got married by a judge. The first time it was mostly financial, we were living together, I did love her (maybe for the wrong reasons) and I had to move from WashDC to SanFran, the corporation pays for many benefits if you are married, and I didn't want to move yet again across the country all by myself and leave her behind. Nor did I think it was fair to her to move without a commitment by me to stay with her. At a later point we did get married in the Church, I mistakenly thought it would improve our marriage.
THAT was what I was asking for LOL. Thanks, Dragon. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 12:43:56 PM | I've been exposed to many different religions and spiritual ways in my life. You mention Christian in your theorem-there is a huge variety amongst those millions in the group-split-off after sect after sect. Don't know if you've traveled much (first guess: you probaby haven't), but America is quite liberal in sexual attitudes compared to many other countries in the world. Go to Egypt, India, or China and you'll feel like a lucky super-freak again ;)
EDIT: are you aware that American women have quite the ahem....'reputation' in the rest of the world, Christian, Catholic or not..?? | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 12:50:14 PM | Most of today's Christian and Muslim Organized Religions have many doctrines that go against Nature. Why? They are socially and culturally ordained by whoever was running/minding the store at the time of imparting.
Probably for political reasons and for the prevailing idealogy of the time.
But, we have always had rituals, beliefs and ceremonies since the time of earliest humans. The drawings, jewellery, weapons, artifacts recovered from excavations over the years reflect this.
Apparently, there were "marriage" ceremonies done long before the bible and christianity were even a speck of thought.
Christianity and organized religions are quite new in relation to how long humans have been on this earth.
Modern relationships?
Relationships between female and male is not modern. What is modern is just another "cult" set of thinking (as an example extreme feminism) that comes forward and sets up a BS belief system that confuses and confuddles men and women of HOW they should act.
It does it's damage in that generation. It's takes another generation to fix those errors. Then we have to face another set of rhetoric thinking from another "cult" .
It's the age old war. Humans versus Nature. Humans feel they have to overcome Nature, control it, make it work for them instead of working with Nature. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 12:52:03 PM | Anyways, back to the threat tittle, as was seen, YES, religion is a basis for conflict worlwide. People attacking each other based on their different Faiths, or lack off, and judging each other based on it. In relationship specifically, as soon as you have one person trying to change the other, or criticize someone else's belief, conflict generally ensues. Which is sad, because it shows a complete lack of proper communication and respect.
<div class='quote'>Most of today's Christian and Muslim Organized Religions have many doctrines that go against Nature
I agree with your post, I dunno about that however. Can't speak for the Muslims, as I have little idea how their religion works, but as for Christians....I think it really much depends a lot of social circumstances as well. For example, most of Canada is Protestant. Most of the people in the French province of Quebec is Roman Catholic. YET....
The people here are notorious (and ostricized by the Rest of Canada often enough) for their differences in views, even from the rest of the Catholic Church. The pope preaches against abortion; a majority of Quebec is FOR abortion. Sex before marriage is sinfull; for tons of people, sex before marriage is REQUIRED, to know if there is sexual compatibility before marriage. Often enough, the Catholics here have no problems whatsoever with people of different Faiths, and it wont be rare to find a Catholic dating a Muslim, or a Protestant that grew up here date a Jewish person. Religion was SUCH an important thing here (until 1960 the population was largely uneducated and had no public school system save the Church) that once the yokes came off and people starting thinking they shouldnt fear for their souls, a lot of openness was possible.
So basically, I think it depends on social circumstances as well. From what I gather, Christiannity isn't very popular in the States. I also think some of the historical events in the history of the States have altered the views of a lot of people (I'm thinking of Waco and other sad events, kind of like the cult Order of the Solar Temple here) on religion in general, a lot of people seeing it as inherently evil. An idea, by itself, is never really evil; it depends what you make of it...no? | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 1:20:10 PM | | I will contest the religion going against nature concept. Even though, yes, true, we all have raging hormones, here's history: (I'm not Jewish, but...) Jewish people kept detailed genealogical records of who 'begat who' once can read about on their texts or the bible. Oral, pre-literate and literate societies kept and many still keep track of relationships by clan and moiety-many times through the mother's line (as for many N. American tribes). Probably in many Judaeo Christian societies the lineage is paternally tracked and recorded (If I'm wrong about who's paternally minded, feel free to correct)-I'm more up on matrilineally oriented tribes bc of my own family history...In any case, the point I'm making-there has been reason throughout history to create enough 'ceremony' to keep track of (and have some influence over) the activity that can alter lineages... | |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 9:51:07 PM |
Catholic can divorce or be seperated, that is not a sin.
Then can you tell me why a "good Catholic" who just happens to be divorced can never be buried on Catholic consecrated grounds? (Why not, because divorce is viewed as a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church, unless it is as you called it a "Catholic annulment") To be divorced by the court of man, but not by the Catholic church, is what they classify as the sin. No court of "man" can determine a couple to be divorced, ONLY the Catholic church can determine it finished, annulled. When I first divorced at the age of 22, I asked the "Church" if something happened to me, may I be buried in the Catholic cemetery, and I was told, definitively, NO, because I am a sinner for divorcing my husband who "GOD" joined me with in life.
Thank goodness I woke up and saw the light......I am an atheist now. I see the bible as a collection of "tales and stories" written by many men, to control the masses. I have nothing against those who DO believe.....each to their own..... | |
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Posted: 5/19/2012 2:05:23 AM | First of all the USA has one of the highest std rates in the world.
The u.s. statistics that came out last year showed the single motherhood rate is the highest among any first world country and 71% of african american babies now born are born to single mom's. Ton's of people doing casual sex; even unprotected casual sex.
Your argument is very cliche and has been brought up countless of times. I've been all over the world and the U.S. is beyond the most sleaziest country sexually that I've ever seen.
And to make it out that all Christians are far right wingers is naive at best. Many are not that strict.
I Have no idea how you think the U.S. is a prude. With it being the leader in porn, and in many other sexual ventures, that may be true 50 years ago; surely not now. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2012 7:41:06 AM | USA isn't prudish? Good grief. Janet Jackson exposes her nipple and the nation has a fit. Even 30 years ago she could have come on bare breasted in most other western countries.
The big issue I found when working in the USA was peer pressure. A lot of folks don't believe in worshipping a dead-guy-on-stick but go along with the rhetoric. Obama and Romney will both now be attending church services...twice...on Sundays. There is sucking up to a vocal group of religious whackos who only have power because the majority of Americans roll over and give it to them.
A lot of people tick a religious box... doesn't mean too much for many. My father used to say...'we're Jewish and therefore too intelligent to believe in Judaism" . | |
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Posted: 5/19/2012 8:02:47 AM | Capn, marriage is both a melding of spirits and also a legal institution, which is one of the reasons that Latin American countries require couples to have a separate civil ceremony in addition to anything religious they wish to perform.
The benefits of marriage without respect to religion are pretty much front and center in the same sex marriage debate because civil unions do not give all of the civil rights that marriages do, family leave benefits, insurance and other issues. Part of that debate from the standpoint of those who believe and practice their religion is that civil unions even if they grant all of the practical benefits of marriage aren't for those who practice a religion, codified and promises they are making before family, friends and God.
And Capn, I agree with you from the standpoint that I'm not sure exactly why people who choose not to believe must ridicule as ignorant and stupid those that do. I am neither and I have been taught to think for myself by the school teachers who raised me. Did grow up indoctrinated like most of my suburban Chicago peers and I also spent about 13 years not having anything to do with churches because the hypocrisy of many pissed me off.
I periodically attended churches with friends but having relocated to the Bible belt by that time, I saw no point in attending something weekly that would make me worry about getting hit by a taxi because I was such an awful sinner. Accidentally stumbled upon a church that was the same denomination that I was raised with the same type of beliefs I had developed myself as an adult. God loves us and he forgives us when we screw up.
I go to church, those people are my family. They have cooked for me when I was ill, given me money when I was so ill I couldn't work, driven me to doctor's appointments, did the same in December when I would up recovering from a pretty gnarly surgery. They also prayed their butts off for me when I nearly died five years ago and medically speaking I shouldn't be here.
Do I have doubts, duh. Do I choose to believe anyway? Yes I do, and church and the Bible are not a rule book for me, my attendance at church reminds me for at least an hour once a week that I am not alone, that my stuff is miniscule compared to other people and to reinforce the things that are important to me, family and trying to treat other people decently. The Bible has a lot in there I don't agree with and as has been noted, the oral history, yada, yada. Literal interpretations of the Bible are not productive imo because have you ever paid attention to the telephone game, enough said.
I have also taught my kids to question, to think, and should they find another belief system that helps them be better human beings, be happy, and treat others the way they wish to be treated, whoohoo. I'm pretty sure that everyone is praying to the same guy but accident of birth or life experiences decide which set of tenets they wish to incorporate into their lives.
Carolann's post was very instructive as I mentioned too, just like those Protestant sects that wish to make everything in live an evil sin, some priests don't do so well with preaching God's never ending love. I've had some hard knocks, I'm pretty sure that God and Jesus will forgive me if I decide to have some carnal pleasure and if I decide that is casual sex or one night stands versus healthier and more fulfilling relationships I'm pretty sure they'll keep loving me. | |
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Posted: 5/22/2012 7:32:04 AM |
I'm pretty sure that God and Jesus will forgive me if I decide to have some carnal pleasure and if I decide that is casual sex or one night stands versus healthier and more fulfilling relationships I'm pretty sure they'll keep loving me.
Well, since Jesus' bottom line message is supposed to be love each other and your neighboors, you'd think he'd be all for it. Since he was probably dating that prostitute who's name I forget, and wasn't married to her...probably was the Church's idea for population control. Either that or 200 or so years ago, a religion that started off as a sect would be better at populating if it was considered sinfull to have sex and not be married. Cos the girl would haver wandered off and the kid not been a part of the Faith. So, I see it as a historical thing. The Church today probably has no idea it was was marriage was so sacred, more than any kind of covenant with the Lord.
But that's just my half-scientific mind wrastling with my half-religious one. | |
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Posted: 5/22/2012 8:10:35 AM | jmark4 I think the USA has a twisted attitude regarding sex. It tends to be stigmatized and IMO this creates the STD, porn, illegitimate children problems.
Many other countries sex is accepted as a healthy part of life and that men and women need to have sex to be happy.
I think watching porn at home behind closed doors is an indication of the general society's prudish condemnation of this.
I think a high level of illegitimate children is a prudish result of society denying that young single women want sex and need access and education about birth control. Abstention does not work.
I think the USA making prostitution illegal is a prudish reaction to the fact that in realtiy money does change hands and some prostitution may be good for society overall. One sees that in societies with legal prostitution less problems with prostitution, STDs, illegitimate etc.
IMO what individual really do is at odds with what is publicly acceptable, which is what I mean by society being prudish. I believe that individual needs are universal, but societies attempt to control individual behaviour in various ways, which creates many of the problems we have. | |
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Posted: 5/22/2012 8:41:15 AM | I dont wish to blame so much on economic pressure but here goes.
From what I see around me here in NC (being I have been moving around the last few years for work),
younger Americans have changed their attitudes towards having children.
Many have seen their parents work hard and spilt apart by losing their jobs due to lay offs,
companies closing, companies moving over seas, and under employment opportunities.
Many have seen their parents go back to college only to remain in the same economic positions.
Many of these young Americans are from now low income families that have had to rely on government assistance programs. So it becomes a pattern of behavior. If they have a baby they can qualify for section eight housing, food stamps, medicaid, W.I.C., and a two year grant to go to college. Child care programs are available as well all for just having sex.
Sex = Government assistance and it is a message younger Americans are hearing.
This attitude is changing younger relationships more than religion.
Maybe posters dont see this, but I sure have.
I also see many marrying into the military for many of the same reasons.
Housing, medical, and educational benefits are a big lure.
Its becoming all about the free ride. | |
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Posted: 5/22/2012 9:09:33 AM |
Have no idea how you think the U.S. is a prude. With it being the leader in porn, and in many other sexual ventures, that may be true 50 years ago; surely not now.
Leader in porn? Well, it may be popular, like it is in any developed and capitalist country, but I rather think it's because the US population is largest in America, and bigger than a lot of Europeen countries, than it has to do with any "indecent morality" US citizens supposedly possess. It's easy for anyone to play with poll numbers and tell whatever story they want. Maybe 51% of the population agrees with one topic, but there's still a HUGE 49% that doesn't. Don't trust everything you read. 
I think watching porn at home behind closed doors is an indication of the general society's prudish condemnation of this
It is. But it's also the case of pretty much ALL industrialised countries as well in America, be it Canada, Mexico, South America (dont they have a statue of Jesus in Rio?). Does it make the US prude? I tend to disagree in the sense it does on paper, like everywhere else, but in practice, not so much.
I think the USA making prostitution illegal is a prudish reaction to the fact that in realtiy money does change hands and some prostitution may be good for society overall. One sees that in societies with legal prostitution less problems with prostitution, STDs, illegitimate etc.
No respectable country in the world will EVER make prostitution legal. They SHOULD, but no one ever will. Because it's "Evil". No one will ever want to be "evil" and give those sinfull ladies security and benefits of employement. Nevermind the huge moneytary gains the governement can make taxing them. It's "evil"...
I believe that individual needs are universal, but societies attempt to control individual behaviour in various ways, which creates many of the problems we have.
My point as well. It's had me labelled a paranoiac everywhere I expose it, but we are control by what governements want the individual to be, as much today as it was around 1000 years ago. Back then, they made us fear for our souls, fight and die in Crusades, slaughter wholesale in the name of God. But we "broke free". A new model had to be created for the rich and powerfull to control the masses, and what better way is there than with this wonderfull word called "economy"...SO, our medias, our movie stars, our fashion designers, everything about culture is being molded to keep us content, to shape us in a certain way and be whatever they view humanity should be. No smoking, no drinking, no sex before marriage, little surgeon general warnings on sugar, exercise regularly, go to the gym (who had an increase in prices over 1200% in the last 10 years alone....far greater than inflation). Meanwhile the rich and powerfull stay that way, do their business, and you can die, ye little peoples of inferior breeding............ :sad:
LOl ooookay, anyways, you get my point. Society and the individuals are very different. | |
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Posted: 5/22/2012 3:20:41 PM | Nicky Gumble, one of the creators of the Alpha Course, said that the Bible doesn't forbid birth control.
Having been raised in a catholic school, having been agnostic, then reconverted and rescued as a pentecostal, later as an baptist-evangelical.... All I can say is that I go by the Bible.
And whilst the Bible does say to not have sex outside of marriage (or an ultra commited relationship), it also doesn't forbid birth control but, furthermore, it has a book called Song of Solomon, which is pretty explicit about the sexual relationship between two lovers.
I'm a Christian and I don't see that God is against sex as the expression of love between a couple. | |
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| Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 5/23/2012 1:26:52 AM | | Religion plays a big part of our sexuality. It gets all mixed up. Society is ever changing. But, I do believe that sex when you love and care about someone is the ultimate experience. Without it you are simply using another body for self pleasure. It simply does not connect the same and never can be the most we can be as human beings. | |
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