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| | Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?Page 3 of 9 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) | Religion is for the weak of mind and the bible is the biggest hoax perpetrated on mankind. Yet some people become addicted to the story in the bible never mind the falacies. Blind faith or sheer stupidity and a need for a crutch.
Been brought up in the catholic religion and totally gave it up after seeing the inner workings of the church. For quite a while this church was a homosexual haven. Its no wonder these churches are closing left and right...
Dating a biblethumper is not a pleasant experience... | |
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Posted: 5/23/2012 6:03:04 AM |
Been brought up in the catholic religion and totally gave it up after seeing the inner workings of the church.
Oh PuhLEASE...
Who wouldnt? EVERY Church in the world is full of grumpy old sleazy **stards and **stardettes out to make a buck. They might be full of loving intentions and try to convince you they want all the love in the world, but the fact of the matter is the Pope owns the Vattican, the Mormons "biggest organ in the world" was paid for by tithing money that was supposed to go to the poor and they turned Mother Theresa into a financing campain instead of praising her for the work she did.
Religion as it stands is governement by men, and is absolute, TOTAL crap. The organisations, wether they bu Muslim, Roman Catholic, WHATEVER, is idiotic, corrupt, decadent, moronic.
Doesn't make the Bible a fraud, and it doesn't make believing in something any less worthwhile. If I choose to believe there is a God, it's my choice, not because some old fart at the Vatican says I need to believe to same my soul, but because I choose to believe in what I want. If I want to believe there's an old man with a can sitting on a cloud up there, it's my right as an individual, without being labelled a Blind faith or sheer stupidity and a need for a crutch.
/quote] because althought it might be true about those needy, neurotic sermon lovers, it sure as hell ain't true for me. And it doesn't make the possibility of God any less than it was 5 minutes ago.
Love the idea, hate the application. The same can be said of Communism, of Governement, of Finances, of whatever you want. Because on general principal, Humanity SUCKS and ends up screwing whatever it touches... | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 5:47:28 AM | Actually Capn I think prostitution is legal in France with licensure and medical exams a component of the process. Prostitutes unless it has changed in the few years since I read about it are treated as professionals and not ostracized by society like they are elsewhere.
Who wouldnt? EVERY Church in the world is full of grumpy old sleazy **stards and **stardettes out to make a buck.
Not disagreeing with you but the way you framed it is a little bit different from the discussion I've had with my kids about the buttheads at our church, grins. There are good and bad people in every sector of society hence you will find the good, bad and between in churches as well. We tend to hold church staff to a higher standard but they are human as well and I figure God put them in my path to practice loving people who are difficult to love :) I really find it interesting that I've had more problems with church staff over the years than parishioners. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 5:59:16 AM |
Actually Capn I think prostitution is legal in France with licensure and medical exams a component of the process
LOLOLOL And you heard that...? Trust me, it's not. It"s "tolerated" in many places, mainly Amsterdam and the "Pays Bas" but it's not legal anywhere. Else my cousin living in Paris would probably hire some every 3 days and be a VERY broke man LOL. But your right, they are tolerated in some countries tho. Evenhere in Quebec, but as for being treated right.... they are still immensely riduculed and berrated by anyone who isn't a client.
There are good and bad people in every sector of society hence you will find the good, bad and between in churches as well.
Of course. But the basic idea of Church is to uphold a Holy idea, but it's still managed by people. People with flaws, with opinions, with aspirations, with this and that...I think the ideas they defend are very different from what they actually do. The Church, as an organisation, is mainly there for power and money. Doesn't make the idea and the values they seemingly uphold any less good however. And there's always some bad apples everywhere, but your right, it's not all bad. When your priest isn't drunk on mass wine  lol | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 10:06:01 AM | Actually Capn I think prostitution is legal in France with licensure and medical exams a component of the process LOLOLOL And you heard that...? Trust me, it's not. It"s "tolerated" in many places, mainly Amsterdam and the "Pays Bas" but it's not legal anywhere
Not to pick a nit, but Amsterdam is not in France.
According to Wiki: Prostitution in France (the exchange of sexual services for money) is not illegal, but several surrounding activities are. These include soliciting, procuring, operating a brothel (maisons closes, lupanar or bordel in French), living off the avails, and paying for sex with someone under the age of 18. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 10:21:40 AM | Not to pick a nit, but Amsterdam is not in France.
Umm...I didn't say it was? I don't know where you got that. Must've typed in a way that suggested it, but no. It's in the Pays Bas "Baltic countries?lol pardon my French, I dunno the english denomination) IN Amsterdam they actually made "parking spaces" for people who pick up a prostitute and want to have some services done in the car. Those places are watched by the police to make sure the prostitute isnt threatenned. It's not "legal" but its not illegal either...it's "floue".
Paderic, I stand corrected. It's complicated, it's not LEGAL, but technically not illegal either. It's complicated. As they say in France, "Cette situation particulière (ni interdite, ni autorisée)" ;its a peculiar situation. But socially speaking, it's not well viewed either. And there are no "requirements" per say, as it's not a licensed proffession, although there ARE Federations of prostitutes that assembled and requires they pass regular exams. Im far from an expert on the matter, but my cousin told me it's a BIG social debate over there right now, with odds that it won't be recognized as legal. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 10:29:54 AM | Umm...I didn't say it was? I don't know where you got that. Must've typed in a way that suggested it, but no.
The person you quoted said, "Actually Capn I think prostitution is legal in France." In your response, you typed, "It"s "tolerated" in many places, mainly Amsterdam."
You're either mistaken or your rebuttal is irrelevant. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 10:35:02 AM | Mainly Amsterdam doesn't really imply France but then again I know it isn't in France so there ya go.
Doesn't really matter although this is going to irritate me because I thought it was France and probably something I stumbled upon either researching healthcare or prostitution. Might have been talking about proposed policy too, yay that my memory is currently crap :) | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 10:37:29 AM | I find religion really fascinating and when I was about sixteen I got really into studying different types. I was raised Christian, taught to go to church and be a good little girl. I remember actually saying once when I was about seven that sex was only for making babies and nothing else (because that's what I was being taught.) My mother laughed and made me write it down for my future self to laugh at.
The Bible also says that it's not okay for you to wear a piece of clothing with two different fabrics in it. I find that most people pick and choose stuff from their religion that they want to inherit into their lifestyle and ignore all of the bad things that don't make sense or upset them. Many times I'll find people saying that the reason that they don't believe in same sex marriage is because of the Bible and I ask them "Do you also think that having slaves is okay? The Bible says that it's okay, so let's all just get some slaves."
I mean... personally, I identify as Christian, but that's just because I'm familiar with it. I identified as Theravada Buddhist for a while too, haha, but can back to Christianity because of the familiarity. I think that the Bible is meant to be questioned, it's meant to be open to interpretation. I like to think of the Bible as a sort of test where all of the questions are open without a specific answer.
As for your question, I don't really know how to answer that because I don't know. I haven't met everyone in the US. But were you asking what other countries thought? Like as an overall generalization? I always wonder what other countries think about us Americans. Would be interesting to hear.
But hey, that's just me. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 10:40:43 AM |
Do other people think the USA's is still sexually prudish, what is the cause of this and what sort of problems does it cause?
Not sure if prudish is the right word. But most people that hardcore practice every aspect of their religion respectfully does so with almost a "iron fist". They hang on to every word and never bending for anyone, even the people that love them.
I live a Bible Belt, and it is so hard to find a woman with a open mind. I'm not asking for someone that doesn't care but I don't want someone that is narrow minded.
I'm not going to down anyone's religion, or lack of...but I will say a quote my dad likes
"Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open" | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 2:24:55 PM | Correcting a small posted error:
Since he was probably dating that prostitute who's name I forget, and wasn't married to her
Referring to Mary Magdalene.
There is NO evidence whatsoever that she was ever a prostitute. That was a lie, created and perpetuated by certain male church powers who wanted to maintain 100% male dominance in the church, and it was falsely romanticized, by modern writers, such as those who penned Jesus Christ Superstar.
Nor are there any writings directly supporting the suggestion that Jesus was romantically involved with Mary.
Carry on. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 2:54:28 PM | The 13th-century Cistercian monk and chronicler Peter of Vaux de Cernay claimed it was part of Catharist belief that the earthly Jesus Christ had a relationship with Mary Magdalene, described as his concubine. Quote: "Further, in their secret meetings they said that the Christ who was born in the earthly and visible Bethlehem and crucified at Jerusalem was 'evil', and that Mary Magdalene was his concubine – and that she was the woman taken in adultery who is referred to in the Scriptures; the 'good' Christ, they said, neither ate nor drank nor assumed the true flesh and was never in this world, except spiritually in the body of Paul. I have used the term 'the earthly and visible Bethlehem' because the heretics believed there is a different and invisible earth in which – according to some of them – the 'good' Christ was born and crucified." [77]
A document, possibly written by Ermengaud of Béziers, undated and anonymous and attached to his Treatise against Heretics,[78] makes a similar statement.[79]
Also they [the Cathars] teach in their secret meetings that Mary Magdalene was the wife of Christ. She was the Samaritan woman to whom He said, "Call thy husband." She was the woman taken into adultery, whom Christ set free lest the Jews stone her, and she was with Him in three places, in the temple, at the well, and in the garden. After the Resurrection, He appeared first to her.[80] | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 7:07:52 AM | You're either mistaken or your rebuttal is irrelevant.
The Hell? I meant it's tolerated MAINLY in Amsterdam. ALSO in France. I didn't know I had to write a bloody novel to explain it......
If the quality of my english sucks it's cos I'm French. I'd enjoy some leniency, it'd be courteous. At least I don't write text speak....
There is NO evidence whatsoever that she was ever a prostitute. That was a lie, created and perpetuated by certain male church powers who wanted to maintain 100% male dominance in the church, and it was falsely romanticized, by modern writers, such as those who penned Jesus Christ Superstar.
Nor are there any writings directly supporting the suggestion that Jesus was romantically involved with Mary.
Really? I didn't even know that LOL. I wish I could say I was surprised however...
Well, according to the Bible, if someone is divorced and remarries, they are comitting adultery! Soooo....
According to the Bible, your allowed to own slaves and can stone someone who wrongs you. Soooo.... | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 7:31:52 AM | According to the bible there is virgin birth and Noah fit a male and female of all specie on his Ark. What a crock of chit.
Try dating a die hard catholic who does not believe in birth contro cause the church says so. Look at the current law suit filed by the catholic church against the US. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 7:33:51 AM |
According to the bible there is virgin birth and Noah fit a male and female of all specie on his Ark.
Must've been a HELLUVAH boat. Feel jealous? I sure do
Look at the current law suit filed by the catholic church against the US.
I wasn't aware. Whats it about?? | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 11:15:13 PM | Catholicism is a "religion". Being a Christian person is a faith and a lifestyle. There are many Christian people in the Catholic church, but by no means are ALL the people in the Catholic "religion" Christian people.
Many people are very confused about the difference. I myself have no time for any "religion".
The Catholic church condemns sex outside marriage,.....unless it's molesting young boys, then they're all about it. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 8:43:51 AM | Hi
I to am a spiritual peron and do beleive in spiritual values.
Sadly to often people think that sex is love.
Sex for me only represents 5% of a realtionship.
Sex can be used to show ones love to another person.
Often people are confused about ones own sexuality.
And often people focus on sexual attraction rather than spiritual attraction.
Then there a point where we see and feel that littel child in people if they are not to badly emotionally damaged goods.
Often in the past people referred to God fearing people, now they tend to use God loving people as a reference to religious people.
Each religious is based up on several spiritual values yet over hsitory each religious has gone against spiritual values one way or another.
Sadly in our education sytems spiritual values are fading and children reach apoint hwere their focus is lost on material money and prestige rather on those spiritual values which makes each one of special no matter what religious beleifs we have.
The healthy spiritual individuals who represent different religions beliefs are the people who have the biggest impact on people belief systems.
As we mature and grow spiritually we take from each belief system parents schooling religious and build our spirituality beleif and we become healthy people.
Sadly when we have to justify our actions we often are going against spiritual values and going against our own cosncience.
Parenst will argue that it is the responsability of the schooling sytem to educate the younger people about spiritual values and the schooling sytem will argue that it is the parenst responsability to educate the younger people about spiritual.
It is the responsability of all people to educate the younger people about spiritual values and teh reson behind each spiritual value.
Why is religion beliefs shutting down churches etc is the fact people have lost faith in the churches or they ahve lost all faith and hope in them self.
Is sex in the only thing people want in their realtionship.
How deep do people want to go in to a realtionship with another person.
Do all people carry unresolved emotional baggage in to their marriage.
Who is to say what is healthy about any religion or any realtionship.
Do people understand their own emotional wants and needs clearly.
Why are people willing to go against their own cosncience and against spiritual values in order to prove a point.
Has religion failed its people or are people failings to beleive in them self and their own belief system what ever that might be.
Love and peace to everyone
Dave of Beckenham | |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 9:16:18 AM | I have been pondering this question for a while . There seems to be a determining line between religion and the stereotypes that go along with it . For example I would be less willing to date someone with an extremely strong religious view as I would feel I was being judged in some sort of way .
To elaborate , I grew up in a highly catholic family . Most family members on my mothers side were Nuns and so on . I completed first communion and attended catechism as a child . Not that I was ever an atheist but I strayed away obviously in the times when I just decided to find myself .
More recently I have become interested in the power of subconscious and hypnosis , actually am completing my clinical hypnotherapy in October . In this time I have also been studying different religions as hypnosis does touch on the subject of past life regression and characteristics of the soul in it's pure form . I realized that reincarnation and those principles were always something that I believed in - giving me a feeling of being spiritual and not so much associated with religion of any source .
Diversity in a relationship is required - it's the fundamentals of always learning something about each other that makes it keep progressing .
If we were to look at it in a spiritualistic approach - a soul is not born into a body as a certain religion , faith or creed . It is our environment that shapes us and the relationships we have in them which leads to separation of people. Inevitably souls attract to certain souls , regardless of those hurdles .
It might seem like a crazy approach , but is it any different than saying "god" has planned out the perfect match for us and when it were to occur ? | |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 9:45:59 AM | Catholic institutions sue Obama over birth control mandate
By Gerald Herbert, AP
The birth control dispute between President Obama and some Catholic institutions is headed to court.
Dozens of Catholic organizations, from the University of Notre Dame to the Archdioceses of Washington and New York, sued the Obama administration today over a rule requiring them to provide birth control coverage as part of their health insurance plans.
Catholic groups who oppose birth control say the rule violates their religious freedom.
"We have tried negotiation with the administration and legislation with the Congress, and we'll keep at it, but there's still no fix," said New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. "Time is running out, and our valuable ministries and fundamental rights hang in the balance, so we have to resort to the courts now."
From the Associated Press:
The U.S. Health and Human Services Department adopted the rule to improve health care for women. Last year, an advisory panel from the Institute of Medicine, which advises the federal government, recommended including birth control on the list of covered services, partly because it promotes maternal and child health by allowing women to space their pregnancies.
However, faith leaders from across religious traditions protested, saying the mandate violates religious freedom. The original rule includes a religious exemption that allows houses of worship to opt-out of the mandate, but keeps the requirement in place for religiously affiliated charities.
In response to the political furor, Obama offered to soften the rule so that insurers would pay for birth control instead of religious groups. However, the bishops and others have said that the accommodation doesn't go far enough.
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Catholics want their dont wrap it or take the pill rule to stand. Sure way to kill a persons sex life | |
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