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| | Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?Page 4 of 9 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) | A cursory narrative of the human history will provide a reasonable evidence for the following conclusion:
"More destruction and misery to humanity have been caused by organized religions than all the natural calamities combined; and more happiness has been created by love & sex than any other gifts to the mankind". | |
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| Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 5/26/2012 10:49:50 AM |
Catholics want their dont wrap it or take the pill rule to stand. Sure way to kill a persons sex life
???? They don't do it by force or law. There is a very real social benefit to the Catholic method. However, it is just not very effective and is easily bypassed. It isn't a difficult point to make but apparently impossible for people to accept so they cause drama over it and confuse the situation to a total confusing mess.
Benefits of Catholic promotion of abstinence and no birth control:
-Abstinence
. No risk of pregnancies.
. No risk of STD
. No relationships based on purely physical satisfaction
. No self-esteem issues derived from pressure to have sex for teens
-No Birth Control
.No having sex with those you are not willing to commit
. No having sex with those you do not trust
. No physical side effects from chemicals
. No accidental allergic reactions from allergies
. no accidental lack of effectiveness because of antibiotics
. no monthly costs for daily pills or injections, or implants
. no lying and saying it was taken when it wasn't
Cons:
. Nearly everything above is socially stigmatized as unsexy and prude and not fun so it isn't followed leading to unexpected STD's and Pregnancies and everything that following the 'preferred' actions would prevent.
So... it being a 'sure way to kill a person’s sex life' Well... they message is to take life seriously and treat it with more respect and realize that if a baby is created due to random sex that baby is a life and has meaning and it is a monstrous lack of consciousness not to care about life to the degree that it is a thoughtless medical procedure to excise that life.
Now... It's easy to look at it and say it’s those crazy Catholics but if you were honest about it their position is the higher morality position and if they choose to pick the laws of religious freedom to protect their right to keep that as their standard for personal practice and teaching that is a valid point.
It is only because of the controversy created by the current polices that has turned this into a confusing push between the fundamental Catholics and government policies and in doing so is creating a push to expand that religious freedom further then it should be and into allowing strange things like the recent bills in Texas. Prior to this it was just accepted and live and let live. There were complaints but it was not a national ordeal.
Do I agree with the Catholic rules... Like most people... In theory but not in practice. But at least I try to understand their perspective and that they are not technically wrong. The practice just doesn’t translate well into real life. That doesn’t make them wrong. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 12:52:03 PM | "Is masturbation wrong?"
Yes. The Catholic teaching on masturbation says that masturbation is always morally wrong.
Sex is intended to be both an expression of love for your spouse, and a beautiful means of procreation.
Sex is so special, powerful, and valuable that it is properly used only within marriage. If you're not married, you should abstain from sexual activity.
I know: this is all very counter-cultural.
The truth sometimes is!
Sex is the ultimate gift husbands and wives can give: a total gift of self, body and soul. Sex is how you fulfill your wedding vows to love totally, freely, and completely. As long as you both shall live. The secret of life is hidden in that intimate sharing.
The Catholic teaching on masturbation says that masturbation denies every aspect of that promise of sex — of that promise of your vows!
Masturbation is:
Focused on yourself
A withholding from your spouse
A statement that sex is only about pleasure — your own pleasure
Inherently sterile
Often accompanied by "adultery in your heart" through pornography and fantasy
Catholics don't condemn masturbation just because of some lofty idea of what the natural purpose of sex is. We speak the truth about the harm it does to people.
That is the true reason for the Catholic teaching on masturbation: it denies the meaning of sex. It makes you less than fully human.
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OK so Im going straight to hell cause I use condoms, had sex while single and been known to masturbate. WOE IS ME!!!! | |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 1:58:04 PM |
OK so Im going straight to hell cause I use condoms, had sex while single and been known to masturbate. WOE IS ME!!!!
hahaha Sorry you feel that way.
I get it. Real life doesn't work the way the religious rules are. Think about it for a minute though. In other threads in the philosophy sections there are discussions about society requiring forms of euthanasia and people strongly in favor of massive population controls. Most of the people advocating for that are in favor of doing things through laws and governments and forcing it on the population in order to save the planet. You may or may not be one of those people. The difference between the religious versions of population control is that it’s your responsibility to be careful and responsible. The other version is by force of government.
So, for the lack of effectiveness of going to hell and making you feel personally responsible for the outcome the alternative is forced through law and government. As long as religion is never part of government then you’re going to hell is your own personal choice. With government enforcing a law you get a choice of a few options and potentially some of them look like this http://www.lifenews.com/2011/05/26/illegal-babies-abducted-by-chinese-population-control-officials/
As Beijing continues to vigorously pursue its infamous one-child policy, PRI has gathered evidence showing that Chinese villagers who cannot afford to pay these fines have their “illegal” children abducted and sold by Chinese population control officials.
It is well known that those who violate the one-child policy have sometimes been subjected to coerced abortions or, if they have already given birth, have been forced to pay punitive fines and have been sterilized. For example, the birth control regulations posted in one town warned that those who violate the one-child policy shall be contracepted or sterilized:
So... you think you’re awesome in your beliefs but you must at least realize they also have consequences. Forcing your choice to live your life on to others that do not agree with you is no different than them forcing their version of life onto you.
As long as the person I was in a relationship with understood religion and what’s right and wrong with it and didn't consider themselves morally superior on either side. Well…. lack of conflict is always a good thing in a relationship. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 4:02:41 PM | dragonbits- You have an interesting thread going here.
Here is my two cents-
I was raised Baptist. My grandparents were good people in many ways, but didn't do me any favors in shoving religion down my throat.
I do not attend church and consider myself spiritual but not religious.
I have no patience for people who use the bible and/or religion as an excuse for close mindedness and all manner of things contradictory to a life of compassion and growth as a person.
I live my life in a way that honors what I believe each and every day. Some days I fail, some I succeed, but I try.
Going to church doesn't any more make you a christian than being in a garage makes you a car. What you do outside of church says far more about you than bible thumping.
Having said all that, what becomes of your life is about accountability for your choices.
You can't blame your upbringing or use religion as a crutch.
Your ex wife was told certain things, but at the end of the day, it was up to her to continue to practice it and not keep an open mind to other possibility's.
What I'm trying to say is that we all make our choices and regardless if it's religion or something else causing the problem, if it adversely affects our lives and relationships, it's up to us as individuals to recognize it and change it. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2012 7:02:56 AM |
They also forbid divorcees from remarrying, but I see lots of divorced Catholics looking for wife/hubby number two.
Yup. That's cos there's paper and practice. On paper, Catholicism is this super strict "you'll go to Hell" religion. In practice, most of the people know that kind of thinking is a stricly 50-60's type of mentality that was used for 200 years or more to control people.
Anyone who still practices strict Catholicism obviously haven't joined the realities of the 21st Century. I think I'll live the life I want to live, and if God throws me in Hell, I can strike another deal with the big guy downstairs while roasting like a piggy. I'm thinking the organisation is similar to the mafia, and picture the devil as Don Corleone 
Anyways, people should chill. Someone who believes won't necessary try to flood you. To THIS day I honestly have NO idea what ANY of my ex's religions were. I kinda assumed they were like mine LOL. It's so an non-issue, its not even funny. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2012 7:05:11 AM |
They also forbid divorcees from remarrying, but I see lots of divorced Catholics looking for wife/hubby number two.
Yup. That's cos there's paper and practice. On paper, Catholicism is this super strict "you'll go to Hell" religion. In practice, most of the people know that kind of thinking is a stricly 50-60's type of mentality that was used for 200 years or more to control people.
Anyone who still practices strict Catholicism obviously haven't joined the realities of the 21st Century. I think I'll live the life I want to live, and if God throws me in Hell, I can strike another deal with the big guy downstairs while roasting like a piggy. I'm thinking the organisation is similar to the mafia, and picture the devil as Don Corleone
Anyways, people should chill. Someone who believes won't necessary try to flood you. To THIS day I honestly have NO idea what ANY of my ex's religions were. I kinda assumed they were like mine LOL. It's so an non-issue, its not even funny.
The Catholic teaching on masturbation says that masturbation denies every aspect of that promise of sex — of that promise of your vows!
Tons of people say that. In all my years of chatting with priests, I never had one ONCE tell me that at all.
Guess our Quebec Catholic Priests have mellowed out a lot more than their other world counter-parts. Explains why so many Priests here get into regularly shouting matches with the Vatican. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2012 8:01:08 AM |
"Is masturbation wrong?"
Yes. The Catholic teaching on masturbation says that masturbation is always morally wrong.
Sex is intended to be both an expression of love for your spouse, and a beautiful means of procreation.
Is there any Biblical injunction against women masturbating? The Judaic laws on masturbation are the silliest of the silly religious rules.
At best, religion is a way to try to understand the undefinable--with very poor results.
At worst, religion is a way to control people. This is largely what religion has been since its inception.
In this forum, some people are pointing their fingers at other sects, denominations, and religions pointing out the fallacies of THEIR beliefs but championing their own. Catholics are no less cultish than are Protestants. Those who claim to have the way and to understand the mind of god better than others are delusional.
As a pagan atheist, I said that I would never date a Christian, but I am. We discuss religion in a general way, but not specifics. If he ever suggests that perhaps I should consider becoming a Christian, I will be gone. I have not dated other men because of their hypocritical stances, including one who told me that I would be good for sex but not marriage (we never met, only had phone conversations), and one who pursued a sexual relation but said if we had such a relationship, he would go to church on Sunday and pray for forgiveness. No, thanks.
So why my change of mind?
Christianity has been evolving ever since it began. Over the centuries, the changes are easy to trace. Some Christian churches are liberal in their interpretation of the Bible. While some continue to concentrate on the hell-fire and damnation, others promote the love aspects. I have seen huge changes since I was a child, and some of the biggest have been the attitudes toward sex, including sex outside of marriage and homosexuality. Divorce was practically unheard of even when I was a girl.
If I really like someone, why not give him the chance to show how much he has "evolved" in his beliefs? I am also bisexual and polyamorous, but because monogamy is important to him, I will be monogamous by choice, not be nature.
But we continue to be a sexually prudish nation in many ways. At the same time, we use sex to sell everything. I don't see it leveling out much in the very near future, but we have progressed. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2012 3:57:41 PM |
If I really like someone, why not give him the chance to show how much he has "evolved" in his beliefs? I am also bisexual and polyamorous, but because monogamy is important to him, I will be monogamous by choice, not be nature.
That would be way too confusing for me. I just pictured myself pulling a guy off a polyamous woman to have my turn. Nahhhhh Ill pass... | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 9:27:04 AM | I think that at some age a person has got to do what they
Feel natural with and stop asking for other people to be there moral compass.
As far as the big guy goes all rules were originally set up to help people live together in peace. If you feel that you are doing right by the person you're with than you are coming from a place of love. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 5:48:23 PM | When you think about it, where does it say in the bible that enjoying sex is a sin? Maybe it does, I never saw it.
Yes, it talks about marriage being the best state to engage in sex, but still.
I think your poor ex-wife got brainwashed in this regard. It's a shame.
I'm not fond of what I hear about the catholic rules.
I have to say I don't know anyone who is a strict catholic. The ones I do know don't follow all the crazy rules but still believe in God anyway and go happily sit in their church. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 8:18:02 PM |
That would be way too confusing for me. I just pictured myself pulling a guy off a polyamous woman to have my turn. Nahhhhh Ill pass...
You weren't invited.
Yes, it talks about marriage being the best state to engage in sex, but still.
The Hebrew Scriptures condemns sex outside of marriage except for a man taking his wife's handmaiden (ala Abraham and Hagar) or other concubines. In Christianity, Paul says it is better to marry than to burn with lust, indicating that sex outside of marriage is immoral. Acts 15:20 says that believers should refrain from sexual immorality but does not outline what this constitutes.
But this is where the "evolution" of religions enters. For centuries, women were perceived as ravening sexual creatures. Within Christianity, women were encourage to enjoy sex in order to have orgasms because sex was for procreation and it was believed that without orgasm, a woman could not conceive. This changed with the invention of the microscope when it was discovered that women do NOT have to orgasm in order to get pregnant. This resulted in the Victorian ideology that women didn't like sex.
I think your poor ex-wife got brainwashed in this regard. It's a shame.
I'm not fond of what I hear about the catholic rules.
If you think that Catholics were the only ones to promote these types of ideas about sex, you never talked to the members of my family (my mother's generation and back) who were raised Southern Baptist. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 5:46:23 AM | Hi
As adulte were are suppose to fulfill our own wants and needs.
I would like to think that religious upbringing was suppose to help people learn the value of unity among all people.
Most religions do use spiritual values in most of their scripts yet most at some time will go against spiritual values.
Over time the expression God fearing people changed to God loving people.
Simple because people learned that living in fear is not healthy.
Sadly people think that sex is love, sex on ots own is no tlove.
The marriage ceremony is in two parts religious and the signing of the registry.
People will often say they believe in religion even though they do not practice it.
For me spiritual values stand alone from all religions.
The idea of stable relationships and marriages is based up on loyalty and being faithful.
Yet the word faithful has nothing to do about the religion.
In todays society sex is used as a cheap toy with no value.
Often people will even think of them self as a sex object and they have nothing else to give of them self.
Why is it that crime is rapent in the cities yet country communities have less crime.
Because people care and have faith and hope in eahc other.
Sadly marriage is not taken seriously these days.
How many people build realtionships built on deceptions and facades from both sexes.
If we only get married for sex how sad is that.
Sadly parents did talk much about sex in the old days because it was calssed as taboo.
And often parents were ashamed that they were so ignorant about sex in those days.
Kids would like to think they become adults when they ahve sex, sadly they cheat them self of their child hood by having sex far to soon.
In our societeies we are losing touch of spiritual values towards our self and each other.
If I do not care about myself then iy is highly unlikely I will care about other people.
If my only focus in life is gadgets and things then my values are distroted long before I get in to healthy realtionships.
People never talked about masturbation in the old days often it was implied that a person who fulfilled their sexual needs on their own were deviants.
Now masturbation is talked about freely.
Sex can be sued to express a person love but sex on its own is no tlove.
Any religion that emabaces spirtual values is healthy.
Do we fear our religion is that in any way healthy.
Our relationships are based up on honesty, which is one of spiritual values.
Catholics are suposed to confess which is a healthy action.
If Catholics learn from tehri confession.
Churhes are reducing in numbers is that a reflection of people losing faith in them self and their world.
Churhes are suppose to help people relearn those spiritual values and practice those spiritual values.
Some people will laugh at peoples honesty on these web sites yet our honesty exposes whow e are each day.
The act of sex is a very healthy action, peoples bodies are very pretty things.
Yet sadly because of stigma and judements people distrort what sex and naked bodies is all about.
Sadly people will feel isolated and alone because of fear based issues stemming from family beliefs and religious beliefs which is not healthy.
Churches emabrace family values, and stress that the family unit is about unity honesty and healthy interactions between all in teh family.
Spirtual values is about respect caring loving and faithful unity.
In todays life are fears growing, is honesty a thing of the past, is sex the only thing we ahve to offer of our self.
Are we dressing to sell our self short.
Are we person pleasing or being our self.
Are we trying to impress and seak attention.
Are we putting on a facade pretending to be some thing we are not
Is that facade made up all of our deep seated fears.
Can we be honest with out adverley affecting another person.
Love and peace to everyone
Dave of Beckenham. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:07:36 AM | kmxplore51@
"More destruction and misery to humanity have been caused by organized religions than all the natural calamities combined; and more happiness has been created by love & sex than any other gift to the mankind".
I don't know about love, but I think jealousy and sexual frustration are behind a fair amount of the violence throughout history. And I also think religious principles have often been used a mask for other motives for violence and injustice, both by the transgressors themselves and by their critics. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:20:07 AM | People have different standards upon which they make decisions that affect their actions and behaviors. It could be cultural, tradition or religion, to name a few, often there are overlaps.
I think the question was posed rather broadly, as there is not a conflict between religion and relationships DIRECTLY. In other words, you can practice a relgious faith and still have a relationship. The religious tenets that prohibit certain behaviors may cause a conflict, but it's the choice of the person to either follow them or not.
Choices and decisions are always the responsibility of each individual. What they're based on isn't important, what is more important is that each person stay true to their own values and do what they feel is best for them. Everything else is just academic and hot air.....IMO. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:22:22 AM |
I think your poor ex-wife got brainwashed in this regard. It's a shame.
I'm not fond of what I hear about the catholic rules.
I love it when people put stuff on Catholics (or anyone's , for that matter) backs, saying "this is what they want" or "they are all like this". Don't stop to think for 2 seconds that maybe not everyone agrees with the Pope, and not everyone follow orders.
Birth Control is very present in Quebec. The Church here, the Roman Catholic Church, does NOT condone it. They don't say your baby's soul is going to Limbo, and yours to Hell. They learned to grow up in modern times with modern realities, which is something the people up at the Vatican should. They ENCOURAGE people not to abort, to think about the consequences of the actions they are about to do. Like anyone else should. But they don't condone a 14 year old rape victim if she gets an abortion; it's modern day realities, and it saves one life, at the "maybe" price of another. Sometimes they are no alternatives, and they simply encourage someone to pray God for the strenght to go through with it, and for forgiveness for the lack of judgement on their part.
Other people simply don't give two cents of a crap. Kids die everyday, what's one more, is the mentality.
Church is a force that is there to govern the Principles that are religion. The ideals are great, the values good. Problems come when you got innane lunatics who go on preaches that all sinners are gonna burn, and that people who don't believe in God will burn in Eternal Damnation.
I mean, even for atheist, the message left by a MAN named Jesus holds true; love each other. That's the ONLY message that mattered, the rest is ridiculous details.
Anyways, sorry for the rant, but the hating sometimes sickens me. People are so quick to hate, judge, bash...they don't think. They don't stop two freakin seconds just to THINK on what their hitting on, and speak out of ignorance, hatred, malice, or what not. Instead of criticizing or putting opinion. Nah. They throw around half-zealot Truths that would make the craziest Catholic Priest burn with envy.
Religion is supposed to be something that brings people closer (and a tool of mind control for people in power, and governements....ooops, did I say that out loud? ), not something to fight over. Anyone that wants to fight soemone else over religion should REALLY look at themselves in the mirror and ask if they are as tolerant as the principles of their own religions (or their own personnal opinions, in the case of atheists) would make them believe.
There. Now stop fighting guys  | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:30:09 AM | "Religion is supposed to be something that brings people closer (and a tool of mind control for people in power, and governements....ooops, did I say that out loud? ), not something to fight over"
I agree that religion should unite people, but even with all the differences in religious beliefs, it's not the difference that's at fault it's the intolerance of an individual to allow other people the right to believe and practice whatever faith they choose. It's the old "I'm right, you're wrong" scenario. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:30:44 AM | (Hey I can still edit..)
For the post below, just a quick comment. For those people who insist they're always right or where being right is really important, I haven't known a single one who wasn't miserable and usually very lonely. Tolerance is necessary to have relationships, whether with people at work, friends, family or romantic. If being right is so important, they you better be prepared to be right all by yourself. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:37:14 AM |
that's at fault it's the intolerance of an individual to allow other people the right to believe and practice whatever faith they choose. It's the old "I'm right, you're wrong" scenario.
Wow! Your RIGHT and I'm....well okay, I'm not wrong because were saying the same thing, but your still RIGHT!
See people? Did that hurt? Am I bleeding from anywhere? (well, I feel a slight queasyness in my stomach, but I'm sure it has a lot more to do with the big double quarter from McDonalds I had for lunch )
LOL. People love proving how cool they are compared to others.
We're all cool in are own ways, except some REAL nasty people. Those are a dime a dozen (seriously, it's supposed to be around 10%). For the rest, we should tolerate more of other, and just call the douchebags who go on rants about how they're better than anyone else, what they are; douchebags. Not the ENTIRETY of said religion or atheist. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:57:04 AM | Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
YES
Modern relationship does not lend itself to some archaic ideas about when one should have sex or whether or not to use birth control. Abortion is another hot topic even for the not so religious people. You can toss this around any which way you want but it boils down to this; unwanted pregnancies cause poverty and bigger welfare rolls. Unlike the religious teaching God is not in the business of raising kids on his own tab.
Abstinance as preached by the church does not work with the raging hormones of young people. The person who came up with this rule most likely had a dead member that even todays Viagra would not revive. Yes we have to move on with the modern times of working couples and planned parenthood. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:59:44 AM |
For those people who insist they're always right or where being right is really important, I haven't known a single one who wasn't miserable and usually very lonely. Tolerance is necessary to have relationships, whether with people at work, friends, family or romantic. If being right is so important, they you better be prepared to be right all by yourself.
To clarify-
It is important to me that I am right in situations where it is possible to determine such. However, I do not believe that I am infallible, so it is equally important to me to accept that I am sometimes wrong and own up to it when it happens.
What I have learned is that a lot of people claim to be right in situations where it is not possible to know what is or isn't right. These people also tend to elevate their view of what is right above everyone else's. I believe these are the people you're referring to... | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 12:09:15 PM | "It is important to me that I am right in situations where it is possible to determine such. However, I do not believe that I am infallible, so it is equally important to me to accept that I am sometimes wrong and own up to it when it happens."
Yes, further clarification -
I have known those those opinion was the only correct one, everyone else was wrong. Right is only correct for factual situations, opinions aren't right or wrong, only different. Example: If someone said "Tampa is the capital of Florida", I could say, "sorry, you're wrong it's Tallahassee". That is a fact, can be proven. If someone said "baseball is America's favorite sport" that can't be proven. (I'd want to say you're an idiot, it's FOOTBALL...haha no not really).
It's a shame that so many people argue over opinions. Personally I don't like to spend much time around those type of people, I tend to walk away....quickly. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2012 5:13:50 AM | Hi
Religions are a form of belief system that people often follow.
Some times when people question a persons belief system it can cause offence.
There is religious beliefs, parents beliefs, and schooling beliefs systems.
Sexual education can often go against all of the belief sytems we have follwed in growing up.
Then there are spiritual values we are born with free of fear, unconditional trust, unconditional honesty and unconditional giving of our self which are unconditional trusting.
Due to unhealthy programming such as children suffering pain trauma which causes fear issues people become confused and misguided.
As adults we are suppose to embrace the love of others and join in mariage and have families and then build relationships built on trust love and loyalty.
Our belief system changes when as we grow and if we are spiritually healthy we embrace teh best of all the spiritual values.
Sadly most people will take their emiotonal baggage in to their marriage with them.
It would be nice if every person that got married was at peace with them self.
Our anger is often as a result of unhealed pains of our past coming out later in our life.
Each persons body is a miracle and a wonderful thing, we know each person has their own vulnerability.
Sadly people live in fear of getting old and dying yet do not talk about it.
If we marry people for their looks or the sex that is not what makes realtionships last.
It is the spiritual values and beleif system of people which is what counts after life ahs ahd its toll on people.
Our spiritual values ar what our conscience is based up on and when we go against our aconscience we hurt our self.
Every religion has a certain amount spiritual values in it and encourages stable healthy family values.
Yet as our history shows religions can often cause can cause people to go aginst spiritual values and cause pain and conflict with other people.
Some people as adults can be embarressed about sexual issues and people sexuallity.
Some religions even cause conflict because people wish to live out side the normal family values.
If a person has stability in theior own sexualality then they will understand what peopel do in private is their own provate business.
Sadly some people will flaunt their own sexuality in public and often that is what causes offence and embarressment and conflict issues.
There is saying that every one has opinions that is their choice yet sadly when they try when tehy try to push their opinions and beleifs on to other people that si when people get upset.
In a open forum which is very healthy we learn to respect other people religions and beleifs.
Are some people weird and confused about their own direction in life.
Yes for sure yet the best guide we can use is to question what is being said or done adversely affects another person then it often goes against spiritual values.
How much do we value life today, are we accountable to our self today, is there any thing I can or say to improve my realtionship with the world today.
When I do some thing do I do the very best I can in doing it.
If all of my actions are spiritual today my healthy actions have healthy consequences.
If any of my actions or words are unhealthy then the consequence of unhealthy actions or words adversely affect my realtionship with other people and adversely affect me and my conscience.
Having a conscience means I care and I feel responsible for my actions.
There is nothing I can do or say that will change another person to become ehalthy unless they make a conscious decision to become healthy them self.
In prime times unhealthy people were made out casts.
In todays age they take unhealthy people and lock them up to protect society.
The word correction facility does very little to correct people in to having consious spiritual values and learn to value them self or life.
If we focus on sex and money as our main goal we sadly cheat our self.
If we think that all their is relationship is sex then we are destined to be dissatisfied with our self and other people.
Spitual values and Spitual relationships are about healthy interacting relationships at a deeper level and that is when gives us our security inside the healthy secure family unit.
Love and peace to everyone
Dave of Beckenham | |
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