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| | Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????Page 6 of 8 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8) | my two dogs died and was left with three cats. the kid moved back in and brought me my new pit/cattle mix (she couldn't care for him, but he was cute as a puppy). the cats sleep on top of him. everyone loves him. he looks so ferocious and is the most submissive caring dog, i've ever had. so, i am consumed with dog parks, vet bills and doggie must go to codependents anonymous very soon. if i leave for too long, he sobs. the cats can take care of him for a few hours, thank G-d. never have my english setter and flat coated retriever been so reliant upon my every move.
my boyfriend is not keen on pets. one of many things about me, he has had to adjust himself to. i might say there are vice versa adjustments. my cats now sit on him, sleep on him and he tip toes through the dog park "reluctantly". after he's asleep, the dog often sneaks into the bed. he does sleep in the bottom corner when boyfriend is not here. i occasionally catch the love of my life shaking his head, but sometimes also smirking. after all, they are pretty funny. he liked my pic. i liked his. we met. we are both givers. the "list" of requirements went out the window.
yes, respond to this person. most profiles are full of it. you cannot tell about a person until you meet, talk, argue, go through bad times and good. as for me, i put up with the techie geek superman underwear. ugh. but, we love each other and clearly are "opposites" in personality, but not values. what we each value in pets (as long as i do the dirty work and they are not "his"), kids and just plain giving is shared. what we value in possessions is sooooooooooooo far opposite i cannot tell you. and... we don't like each others movies. so we take turns and hold hands (with the cat on his lap).
btw, i am past middle age. he thinks he is middle aged. the dividing line must be 60 methinks! guess what? "i" am the allergic to pets one. after they are here for a while, i get used to each one. | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/13/2012 4:01:38 PM | I'd never put a pet (or anything) ahead of the needs of a current partner but, yes... certainly ahead of the needs of a potential partner. Hammy the hamster isn't being evicted.
I must admit that I was turned off of women in profiles with 'yappy' sitting on her lap in 'familiy portrait' style photos. Dogs and cats should be buddies and not surrogate children. In contrast I was attracted to women who had a photo of themselves playing with a 'real' dog like Rover. | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/14/2012 9:10:13 PM | Dog and Cat people especially in our middle ages have such a different sense of humour. None Dog/Cat people just wouldn't get it. That would mean we weren't on the same wave length.
Just got an email from 3000+ miles away. My newly born Goddaughter is just home from the hospital. Her umbilical cord fell off and the puppy ate it. The Grandmother just had to email me with that giggle. Just sent off an email to my best animal loving friends because I knew they would love the humour of that. Can't imagine telling that to a none dog person.
I imagine a few reading this thread just threw up in their mouths..................he he. | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/15/2012 9:58:48 AM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^OMG!!! I am LAUGHING (while kind of throwing up a little.......)!!!!! THAT is so disgustingly HILARIOUS!!!
What an honor to be asked to be her Godmother! Congratulations!
I have two mutts that I love to pieces. I knew my last relationship was headed south when he told me he was jealous of my dog (only had one at the time). At first I thought he was kidding. When it became apparent that he WASN'T......(whaaaaaaa??? t?) I asked him how, in the world, could he be JEALOUS of a dog???
He told me I am very patient with her........moreso than with him.
Ummmmmmm.............yes? YOU'RE a fricking GROWN UP MAN (supposedly) and she's a DOG! I'm sorry my expectation that you act in an adult, responsible, socially acceptable (at least SOMEtimes) way is lost on you!
I'm single. And I love my dogs.
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/15/2012 12:12:57 PM |
He snores and farts; is hairy and hogs the bed...just like a real man. He leaves me presents, only instead of flowers or candy they are more along the lines of dead creatures or dingleberries in my chair after he's used it.
(Again-much like a man :P )
Hey, I resent that remark. All guys are the same, huh? Well, I'm here to tell ya...
I'm not that hairy. | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/15/2012 1:51:49 PM |
I knew my last relationship was headed south when he told me he was jealous of my dog (only had one at the time).
My ex said if he had a choice after death he wanted to come back as one of my horses, I spent lots of time taking good care of them lol
I think the trend is obvious here... pet owners know the value of unconditional love from our furry loved ones. lol Its honest, and perhaps that impossible thing we seek in people? | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/15/2012 7:55:49 PM | | almost sad you have to ask. My chocolate lab, Daisy has been with me since she was 6 weeks old,11 years. I truly love her! Yes not like I love my son or daughters. But it is real love. So how can I even begin to think about giving her up for some one new in my life. Ok maybe I make some changes and she doesnt sleep in bed with me anymore or eat at the dinner table with us..hehe. But give her up, or make her less important? Not even close to a chance. AND especially for a lady who just doesnt get the love of and for a pet. HHMMM next his kids will be in YOUR way. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:18:26 PM | Best case scenario. In my forties, I had a lab. She was a wonderful dog and I loved her dearly. Met a man who asked me out. Our first date was going to an outdoor restaurant on the beach near where I lived. We walked down to the beach, taking the dog along, who was tied up near our table while we ate dinner (I took dog biscuits along for her). Then we walked the dog along the beach for a couple of hours, stopping to sit on a bench and talk for a long time. This was a man who had never been around dogs, especially not big ones. He didn't know what to think of a date that included a dog. However, he fell for me pretty quickly and in loving me, loved my dog automatically. It wasn't long before he became, essentially, her new 'step dad' and was giving her baths and going hiking with her and me. This turned into a long term relationship. I don't think the dog ever became quite as important to him as she was to me, but he embraced both of us as part of his life, not accepting her resentfully, but enjoying her as part of loving me and just on her own merits. But this was a great dog--pretty much everyone except downright dog haters liked that dog.
If I had met a man who had a very badly behaved dog (or cat), I don't think I could overlook that. I wouldn't want to be with such a person and put up with his misbehaving, obnoxious pet. It isn't about the dog, really, it's about the character of the person. If you can't even raise an animal to be socially appropriate and to have self control, to me, that indicates either stupidity or lack of simple common sense. | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/16/2012 5:00:23 AM |
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^OMG!!! I am LAUGHING (while kind of throwing up a little.......)!!!!! THAT is so disgustingly HILARIOUS!!!
That WAS FUNNY....maybe the pup was securing his place in the family :) & BettyMcFattyPants: PERFECT description....LOL!
Lovin' the cheerier side of this thread! | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/16/2012 7:25:32 AM | Lilybeyaz...true.
However you had a REAL dog. I have a great time taking a dog on a hike, playing frisbee, etc. The dog may be part of the family, our best friend, but it's a dog first.
In contrast I don't like yappy little pseudo dogs that barely make a dent on a pillow when they sleep on it. Nothing wrong with my character or anger or selfish issues. I find these pseudo dogs a bit irritating . My best buddy was a gentle German short haired pointer and she'd sniff one of these toy dogs and look at me as if to say 'What the hell is that? Can I eat it?'. | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/16/2012 7:41:43 AM | "In contrast I don't like yappy little pseudo dogs"
I am on the same page with that especially if the little dog isn't groomed or taught manners.
Pet owners can be very different. Some like toy dogs and treat them as such. Some like large breed, more independent dogs, and train them to be good dog citizens.
Nothing turns me off more than a dirty, untrained dog. Imo, I don't want to be around dog owners who think that type of dog is cute.
Met up with this man a few times. We planned to go to a bbq at one of his family members. He picked me up in his vehicle with air conditioning on because it was very hot. In the back seat was a long haired matted dog who stank to high heaven. Not only did the dog need a good bath and a hair cut, the dog needed eye and ear meds. My date's dog kept jumping from the back seat onto my lap. The dog odour fill the whole vehicle. My hands were dirty (never mind my clothes) from putting the dog back into the back seat. The owners response was "look, he likes you". OMG.
There are dog/cat owners, then there are the clueless animal collectors. In that situation, I feel bad for the dogs and cats who are so badly looked after by the clueless.
Yes, I check out profiles of pets to see if their dog needs grooming. Ew!
Over the decades, most of my dogs have weighed more than I do. Once they are obedience trained there is no problem except when they get sick and it takes more than one person to load them into my vehicle.
I have thought long and hard above what type of dog it makes sense to grow old with. I have spent the last 2 years search for a small breed dog that has the ability both mentally and physically to live it's life like a big dog. I finally found a very rare breed dog that only grows to 13" high and 30 lbs. in weight. This breed was breed to be cattle dogs in Europe.
Think tiny German Shepherd but with a bob tail. He fits perfectly into the laundry tub for his baths, and is combed out daily. | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/16/2012 8:04:40 AM | | The working breeds do make great pets. The are smart and look for ways to please. All my animals, well except my chickens, are well trained. I am the dominate one here lol Horses need to be respectful, and dogs need to be mindful. My cats however do what ever the heck they want, but they are feral and outside most the time. I think its a cat thing, but the dang things won't fetch or come when called, or even shake hands. They will let you pet them and listen to them purr though lol | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/16/2012 8:16:20 AM | this is why we shop on line,,just putting it out there...and listing our priorities~
no judgement..
this is what separates friends from lovers.
it's more than lifestyle its circumstance priorities,,and responsibility.. that commitment to their pet is not abandoned...even when for love..seriously, your pet or me? | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/16/2012 8:16:40 AM |
All my animals, well except my chickens, are well trained
ha! Where I grew up in southern France, chickens were as much a part of town as people. Life went on at different levels...people had interaction and their own society...as did dogs....as did cats....but the chickens seemed to be the most established strata. Dominant roosters strutted around and juvenile roosters roamed in little flocks...hens and chicks ignored it all and went about their business eating. The real head of the town was a rooster but we people didn't realize it...humans were almost secondary to chicken society. The first time i took my girlfriend back to our family home she was a bit intimidated by all the chickens she had to walk through to get inside the gate into our chicken-free yard. | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/16/2012 8:24:14 AM | | chickens do have a strong social structure to be sure, but teaching them tricks is like impossible hahaha I find it facinating your chicken town dealt so well with the birds. I was just in my home town and its in farm country but like all towns in California it has grown so much.. and there are chickens "grazing" along the freeway. It cracked me up. | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/16/2012 8:29:50 AM |
it's more than lifestyle its circumstance priorities,,and responsibility.. that commitment to their pet is not abandoned...even when for love..seriously, your pet or me?
I would never trust someone that would give up a faithful companion for me. I get what you are saying and I understand wanting to be the high priority in someone's life, but for one, I would never ask someone to do that, and if they did, it shows a lack of commitment to me. But thats just me. | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/16/2012 9:16:06 AM | There would be no question for me-- A stranger from the net (whether they could be "the one" or the craigs list killer) has no way to superimpose their allergies or preferences on my life and household. I could date someone allergic to cats, or afraid of horses, no problem. But no, they would not end up sharing my home and my life.
Its not like moving an ugly potted plant out to suit someone. Are you thinking it's reasonable for a pet lover to take their faithful pets to the pound, to make room in the house for someone who does not share that love for their four-legged friends?
Uh, no. These are not bookends or potted plants. People who have pets, have them for a reason. It's fine to not share their love of pets, but not to ask them to change to suit you. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 4:35:22 PM | ^ What tilark99 said. And it has absolutely nothing to do with middle age, or being pathetic, or anything else. My family had always felt that way about pets: It's a commitment for the life of the pet. They are not disposable items, they are part of the family.
My border collie and cat are as important to me as my family and friends. So if you have allergies or issues with dog and or cat hair, trust me I will not give them up for you.
That statement makes perfect sense to me, and I don't find it the least bit offensive. Or odd. Or hostile. Or anything but a statement of fact, that "this it the wan it is here, and if you are not suited to that, don't waste your time here, becaue the situation will not be changed to suit you." Fair enough. :-) | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 5:04:21 PM | could all you pet owners do me a huge favor and stop using the line "pet owners know the value of unconditional love "
no you don't.....at all...none of you do,,,unconditional means,,,,,,no conditions,,it means,,,,someone is with you of their own free will and wanted to be with you in the first place,,,,,so
if the first pet owner could please step forward and tell me when and where their pet,,,,,walked up to there dootr,,knocked,,and asked to be let in and live with you,,,,because to my knowledge,,,,most pets are bought(a condition?) or given by others but NEVER are they coming to your home and living with you of their own free will,,,,they do not choose to live with you,,,,YOU CHOOSE TO HOUSE THEM AND TIE THEM UP AND PUT UP FENCES AND LOCK DOORS AND USE EVERY METHOD YOU CAN THINK OF TO MAKE SURE THEY DO NOT ESCAPE THIS ,,,,,,,,(sorry for the caps,,not rewriting all this!)
unconditional love scene,,,,,,,
the condition ,,,,btw,,,is that they are never,,,,,,,,,,,,,ever,,,,,,,,,,,,,allowed to leave,,ever
that seems like a pretty big condition to me,,,,,,,,,,if you pet owners truly want unconditional love,,,then open your doors and leave them open for a while,,,,,if your pets stay,,then i guess they do indeed like you,,,,if they do not stay and instead head out never to be seen again,,and trust me,,,,most will,,,,then they never did,,,,,,
the "unconditional" part,,,is your own mind convincing you that you are NOT trapping and keeping another living being in your house without it's consent( and this is a fact,,no animal has EVER given ANY kind of verbal or any other kind of consent ,,,you pick them up and put them in your house and you do not let them go,,ever,,and they do adjust and actually after a while enjoy themselves,,,,much like the slaves did way back when) but instead you are doing the animal "a favor" by making it a hostage for life in a ,,,admitted,,,gilded cage...
unconditional love btw,,,is a love between two CONSENTING species......it is not trapping an animal in your house because you are afraid of being alone and then dictating how that animal is going to live for the rest of it's life,,that
is captivity ,,,no matter how you romanticize it with terms like "unconditional love " oh,,there is a condition alright.... | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 5:24:02 PM | I have been alone for years. Thankfully I have family, friends, and my pets to give and receive love with.
Allergies are very uncomfortable. I don't want someone to be wishing I would get rid of my pets, or suffer with symptoms.
Had a fellow come over one time and immediately start sniffling over my cat. He had to take an antihistamine.
Then, when introduced to my guinea pigs, commented that they belong in a trap. Oops!
I'd also heard him previously screaming at his dog.
Dealbreakers.
As I posted previously, I may die alone with my cat for company. How sad, but possibly true. Oh well! | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/19/2012 5:36:43 PM |
if the first pet owner could please step forward and tell me when and where their pet,,,,,walked up to there dootr,,knocked,,and asked to be let in and live with you,,,,because to my knowledge,,,,most pets are bought(a condition?) or given by others but NEVER are they coming to your home and living with you of their own free will,,,,they do not choose to live with you,...
huh? ...you never met my cats. I'm sure many here with cats had their pals show up one day at the door. It's also not uncommon with dogs depending where you live. Also, my pet crow's mother used to look in the kitchen window and 'caw' until she was fed. She's gone off to the big bird feeder in the sky but her daughter is now part of 'our' family.
Anyways, I've never gone out an 'got' or 'bought' a cat...they just moved in and made themselves at home. | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/19/2012 8:19:52 PM | An animal is forever. I would never expect a significant other to give up their animal, nor should I be expected to give up mine...
Probably best to look elsewhere.
(I don't have any pets, but I have in the past and they were all forever pets) | |
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| Sincerely with Our Dogs and Cats in our Middle Ages????
Posted: 6/19/2012 10:05:05 PM | I've never said what some are saying about animals and their 'unconditional love.' First off, saying that animals love us is anthropomorphizing. None of us know if the concept of 'love' is a part of the animal psyche. What animals do is become attached to us and do not care about certain things that might drive another human away, like being messy, not paying your bills, not being pretty/handsome, whether you are thin or fat, whether you are boring, slow, etc. and so on. Animals don't care about that stuff; they just adapt.
Cats for sure choose you even if you have gotten them from a pet shop, from a neighbor with a litter of kitten, or the cat just showed up at your door, because cats usually or often can roam free, and they don't usually take off. They return home day after day. Because of the unconditional love they feel for you? Naw...I think it's because a cat has learned to accept or has decided that this place is his home, i.e., it belongs to him--it is his territory. He can sleep there, often undisturbed, gets food and water, gets petted and brushed, etc. Life is good, why go anywhere else? And they do become attached. Whether or not that is love, we cannot know. And I don't think it is unconditional, because if there was no food, no nice place to sleep, not petting and brushing, and if you were quite mean to the animal, it may very well decide to take off and go elsewhere. This then, whether it is love or something else, is not unconditional.
With dogs, it can be pretty much the same thing. If left out, a dog will go 'walk about' but generally will return home, especially when he gets tired and hungry. Does a dog love you unconditionally? Again, he's attached to you. He's attached to his home and his territory. He's protective of the home and territory, which includes you. And you, the owner, are the pack leader, so it is in his genes to defer to you in all ways. Again, not love, and not unconditional, because in the same way, if there is no food, no shelter, and if the owner is exceptionally mean, that dog will try to escape and find another person or place to hang out.
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