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| | Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support Page 2 of 9 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) | Here is where I believe in tattoos and sterilization.
He should have tattooed on his forehead "Babymaker ... Dad to 30, wanna be next?"
Yesterday I went to my daughters for dinner.
She had her friend over.
Her friend is Caucasian, and has 3 children who are mixed race (same father).
Those three children have siblings.
Apparently the "Daddy" had created another 9 on top of that.
Makes for an even dozen.
The mothers all get together and let the siblings play.
This Daddy my be a relation to the Daddy in the article.
But this guy pays squat for any of his kids.
My heart goes out to the little ones.
I don't understand some people.
I just don't. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 7:07:31 AM | mrcs84 (I mean, more power to them for being able to support their respective families. However, I just think it's ludicrous to have that many kids. Talk about leaving a carbon footprint.)
The issue is NOT people who choose to have a ton of kids, yet they can afford to have them. It is the people who choose to have a kids and look to the welfare system and the government's money that could be used for other things to support their lifestyle.
I went to school with a girl who had 10 other siblings. Her dad worked for the post office and her mom worked at a bank. Of course, money was tight. But with budgeting (guess the mom's background in banking helped, LOL), coupon cutting, finding free ways to have fun...this girl did NOT grow up on food stamps, WIC, or Section8 (the parents bought a large old home on the cheap and did their own renovations). When each child was old enough to work, they got a job. The money they made during the Summer paid for school clothes and their school supplies. The money they made during the school year paid for their activities. By the time I met my friend in college, she had 2 siblings also in school. They ALL worked while attending school. She did work study on campus and was a waitress at a country club.
As far as the Duggars, the dad was a member of the House of Representatives for Arkansas. He also was into real estate and an investor. The family is 100% debt free. When people found out about this and how they home school their kids, that's when they were approached for a reality show. They had money before being on TV.
Also, I work corporate in the fashion industry in NYC. The majority of the small to meduim sized businesses here are owned by Orthodox Jews. Many of them have between 4-10 kids. My current boss is one. He was NOT born wealthy, but the philosophy of thinking of ways to start a business to support your family and pump money back within your community is. He has 4 kids and started a business about 27 years ago. Today, it is a $50M business and is still growing. He now has his 2 oldest sons working at the company.
holycowwow (You have a woman go down to collect WIC or food stamps for her child, they should find the father
and if he is unable to lay, both sterlized before any help is given.
Would make people more responsible ( by force) to raise the kids they have and not ask everyone else to do so in higher taxes.)
I couldn't agree with you more! Because rent in NYC is so expensive, it is actually normal to have people of diverse economic backgrounds residing within the same area. I live in an environment that has it's "issues" yet a lot of businesses and renovations have been going on within the past several years, so it is likely the next up and coming area. I'm not the norm when it comes to my demographic. My household income is close to 3 times the average for my zip code(I'm single/no kids)...I have a huge apartment that is so cheap because I've been here since after college and the prior tenant before me was in the unit for about 15 years. My rent is about $400 less than what the rent should be for my unit...until I plan to buy, I'd be a fool to leave! My apartment complex has over 20,000 residents. It is so normal to run into the same people at the grocery store, nail salon and hair salon for example...especially if you are a person of habit and set a routine. There are people I do not know, yet for 2, 5, and even 10 years, I will run into the SAME women at my grocery store in the checkout line. Some of these women will be decked out in clothes and designer handbags...yet they ALWAYS use WIC vouchers and their welfare benefits credit card to pay for food. They will be in the checkout line with their fake nails with all the crazy fancy designs...their hair dyed differently on a regular bases...and some with the latest weaves. They will be hugged up with a guy who has on the latest $150-200 sneakers, baseball cap tilted to the side with the branded stickers still on it, pants hanging off their ass like they are crazy, and a fat ass cubic zirconia or dirty diamond in their ears. And the woman is smiling from ear to ear and will actually throw her welfare benefits card to the hardworking cashier as if she's at Saks Fifth Avenue purchasing with an AMEX black card. Trust me, I see this with both black and Latina woman on a regular basis where I'm from. My black and Latina friends who live in other areas notice it too. Over the years, I've seen some of these SAME women have more and more kids, believe it or not. And some of these women get discounted rent and have the men living with them. A three bedroom/2 bathroom apartment goes for $1800-2000 a month in my complex...but you have women like this living in it for $200-400 a month, and the boyfriend who isn't on the lease and who could possibly be the one of the fathers of the kids is slipping and working is living there...stuff like this happens all over the country.
TempusFujis, I agree with ALL of your comments!
missmaddy(might i also add that i know MANY white women who have multiple kids with multiple baby daddys. the statistics are high among the black race but there are other races who are just as guilty. for instance, i graduated with a girl who at 25 has 4 kids, is pregnant with her 5th and all the kids have different fathers. like i said before, the kids, ultimately will suffer the most in these situations.) That might be true, but this lifestyle is very common within the black community, as 72% of all black babies are born out of wedlock within the USA. And before anyone gets offended, when I make my comments, I am NOT referring to people of any ethnicity who chooses to have a lot of kids without being married, yet they are working and taking care of their kids without any type of assistance whatsoever. This lifestyle invites other issues, such as living in low-income areas that have high crime, people who do not try to gain a skill or education to allow them break that pattern, etc. I know people who work for the welfare system. They say it is common to see a family who is 2nd and 3rd generation welfare who have their kids from different dads and live this lifestyle. I've had both white and black people who have worked for the welfare system tell me it's a shame when you have clients that are related and the mom will bring in her 17 year old daughter who got knocked up, yet she conveniently can't/will not tell who the baby daddy is so she can get set up with benefits...and this occurs with mostly people of color. So while of course there ARE whites that are on welfare, it plagues minority communities at a greater proportion.
BLoNde__ANgel (who cares if it is out of wedlock or not- what about percentage on public assistance...and aren't there alot of bi-racial children...what category do u put them in???)
Since I know people who work for the government, I been told this is how it often goes, although nothing is 100% of the time, of course: if I child in this situation is part white and latino, many moms will either classify them as white or white hispanic. There was a recent study that said the reason why the white population was increasing wasn't because whites were having more kids...they realized many hispanics, often ones who were dark skinned and even the ones who had black heritage where opting to check "white" as their background. If I find the article, I will show the link. When I was a teenager, I had a summer job working at my hometown's housing authority. When people applied for section 8, you had to come in fill out forms, provide a current photo I.D. and provide a copy of your birth certificate. It was my job to file the documents. It was actually very normal to see a latino person with skin several shades darker than mine, and kinkier hair to boot, and common black facial features...check off "white" on the form, and have white on their birth certificate...trust me, Stevie Wonder could see many of these people had African heritage in their bloodline...it blew my mind...
When a child is born from a white and black parents, many automatically choose "black" due to the thought of "one drop of black blood makes you black" philosophy. It has only been in recent years that "mixed race" has even been an option on forms.
@ U make it entertaining: What you said is SO common. Again, I feel for the kids. Whether we want to be "politically correct" or turn the other way, it is a major issue that affects the quality of life for children. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 9:25:19 AM | | You know MrNova, I generally dont agree with a lot of your posts but this one I have to say you are dead on balls . I think that is a great idea to get a license to have children, you need a license for everything else, there are soo many dead beats in the world having children , not taking care of them and look how some of them turns out. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 9:53:58 AM | Forced sterilization of anyone receiving WIC? You're out of your mind.
I don't think so. Quite a few states still authorized involuntary sterilization even in the 1970's. The Supreme Court once held an Oklahoma law unconstitutional that would have allowed a chicken thief to be sterilized as a "habitual criminal." But as far as I know, it has never said involuntary sterilization is flatly unconstitutional.
Buck v. Bell, a 1925 decision, involved the involuntary sterilization of a "feeble-minded" woman in Virginia. She was the third generation of people who could not support themselves, and they had already become an economic burden on a poor county. The justice who wrote the decision, Oliver Wendell Holmes, declared that "three generations of idiots are enough." | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 10:14:25 AM | ^^^Yet another example of a republican wanting the government to take control over someone's personal decisions. I'm sure there are a hundred comments from this same poster where he is talking about the government staying out of our lives.
I'll never understand what these republicans want when they're always contradicting themselves. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 10:19:35 AM | I would have LOVED to have more children!
I have one son, and also brought up my ex's son, thats a lot of money
poor kids, and stupid women!
he should have been sterilised, the mothers are NO BETTER!
the tax payer should not have to pay for any of these kids! | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 10:55:07 AM | (We know that all 30 of these kids are biologically his? Some women seek an opportunity ..)
I agree with you, although it is likely most of the kids are his.
By no means am I saying all men who have kids out of wedlock are like this, but let me give you an example:
My hair salon is on my street...as mentioned earlier, my apartment complex has a very large population. For the most part, I've been going to this same salon every Sunday afternoon to get my hair done since 1998. My salon has 2 floors, 1/2 of the first floor consists of several male barbers. My stylist is on the same floor. Just in case anyone is not aware, it is very common to go to a black or Dominican hair salon and have to spend a good 3 hours to get your hair done, due to so many people and the stylists take their time (annoying, trust me).
Many men, especially black men, go to the barber every week to get their hair cut. Over the years, I have seen many(not all) of these guys come in week after week. They come in the salon, speaking loudly for everyone to hear their business. They are very open when talking about the women they are with, often talking about the mothers of their kids, in addition to "the chick or chicken head" as many will say, that they met and are messing with. If you could hear how degrading they spoke of these women, it would make you never want to date. I've even experienced some of these men try to talk to me and get my number, after they've loudly gone on and on about how they went to this women's house, ate her food, slept with her...but "oh no I might tap that, but I won't date her because she has too many damn kids." Seriously, I'm not joking.
Yet these same guys wonder why I have no desire to date them? They speak poorly of women who are dumb enough to be used and abused, they obviously have had a lot of unprotected sex since there are kids of different parentage involved...and you"ll even hear some of these same guys talk about their time in jail and probation officers?! So which do I choose to put myself at risk if I'm dumb enough to date a man with that lifestyle: disease or poverty...or BOTH!?! | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 11:19:19 AM |
@Mysteria.... what opportunity would that be??? he is a broke a$$..... not really anything worth taking advantage of....
You only know that from the article ... and it is what he is claiming. Did he even ask for a paternity test or is he just taking their word for it? He doesn't sound all there. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 11:26:26 AM |
I think it's funny that people are screaming for forced sterilization, yet no one is pointing out the abject failure of abstinence-only sex education. as much as I adore you Part deux, I disagree big time on this one, the problem with abstinence only sex education is one has to have the intelligence to grasp it, the fact that this loser has a minimum wage job at 33 tells me he has issues and I suspect probably didn't graduate high school, and probably would dismiss the education if it was offered, people like him believes they know everything and society knows nothing.
I suspect if they had abstinence only sex education no doubt they would ignore it sometimes tells me his critical thinking skills are poor. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 11:26:50 AM | | ummm... lets try this @Mysteria... what dumb a$$ woman would falsely accuse a broke a$$ man of being her baby daddy??? I am sure it is completely possible that some of the kids aren't his.... but that would mean the woman saying he is the dad is even dumber that the woman that really had a kid by him... he has NOTHING to offer a woman or a child..... if you are going to falsely accuse someone of being a dad... hopefully you have better standards.... and would say it is someone that has at least a little something going for him..... | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 11:31:49 AM | (I think it's funny that people are screaming for forced sterilization, yet no one is pointing out the abject failure of abstinence-only sex education)
I don't think it's about sterilization. I think it boils down to people not "owning" their thoughts and actions. My father taught my brother and sisters and me early on you should take ownership of both your successes and failures. Certain people will say a person who sits up and has a ton of kids all while spending their lifetime on various forms of public assistance "don't know any better." I call bullsh*t on that! These people are fully aware what they are doing. They are taking advantage of hard working tax payers, along with our government. You have many people out there who are smart enough to commit welfare fraud, food stamp rings, slipping and making money setting up mini day cares and working "off the books", etc. So they should be smart enough to get off their asses and get a job...but that would take "work and effort" of course...
Welfare and forms of public assistance is to serve as a backup for families who temporarily fall on their luck. But when you have people who continuously have kids, all while they are unable to take care of the other ones...they are using the system. I have no problem using my tax dollars to help people who want help out of that life. But you do have a decent percentage of them who honestly do not want out, simply because they would have to work hard. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 11:45:06 AM | | I would have no problem with this if he was able to take care of them financially. He is just the male version of Octomom. This is all kinds of irresponsible BS. This makes me sick to my stomach. I saw a picture of him. How'd he find that many women to have sex with him? I'm sure the women aren't prizes either if they thought he was the epitome of what wanted to have a baby with. Sterilize him for stupidity. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 12:11:51 PM | My opinion will not be popular!
I disagree with those who say he didn't break the law.
Our country is founded on freedom, to do as we choose, to seek happiness. At the same time, whatever we choose to do, has an impact on others, and when it crosses a line it becomes a question of legality and intent.
We have no right to sterilize this man, we DO have a right to imprison him for child endangerment. Yes he is only half of the equation in these births. If the women knew about his history(thats what investigations are for) then they are as culpable as he is, and should suffer the same fate, if they had multiple children with him.
That maybe cruel to the children, losing contact and a home with mother and father. Although I wonder what kind of home it truly is? IMO they would be better off raised in foster care, or by adoption, than to grow up thinking this is a normal way to live.
I try to be compassionate, and if he were to have produced 4 or 6 kids with different women it might be viewed as any number of things. It is really sad that he cannot keep it in his pants, worse that he could act as though he never heard of condoms. To me, 30 is over the top, that no one questioned this sooner, say at 10 really calls into question what the social services organization in tenn. is really like.
Lock him up, until the last child turns 21, for child endangerment. Hopefully by then he would no longer be able to attract women who can have children!
JMHO | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 1:08:27 PM | The father and those women are to blame. You can't just blame the guy alone. The ones end up getting hurt in this are the children. Hopefully our taxes doesn't have to pay for his mistake.
As wildirishrosetoo said... "Fatherless children are more likely to grow up
in neglect and poverty and also have a high rate of criminality." I agree with it being more "likely" since it was proven and publish in articles. When those children commit crimes... they father isn't going to be punish. Right?
STATE HELP? After lying, After continuing having kids, and knowing your on minimum wage. If you take state money... then in exchange, you must label it as a crime. Otherwise many will claim entitlement to State Help.
As for ThinkinginCA's questioning of wildirishrosetoo . How can we not assume that about the mothers? They help let it happen. Is your thinking process always going to be critical without common thought? Explain a good reason how the mothers were not apart of the problem. Do Math. 30kids.. don't come from 1 guy. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 1:39:12 PM | ummm... lets try this @Mysteria... what dumb a$$ woman would falsely accuse a broke a$$ man of being her baby daddy??? I am sure it is completely possible that some of the kids aren't his.... but that would mean the woman saying he is the dad is even dumber that the woman that really had a kid by him... he has NOTHING to offer a woman or a child..... if you are going to falsely accuse someone of being a dad... hopefully you have better standards.... and would say it is someone that has at least a little something going for him.....
First of all ... I am allowed my opinion as you are yours. Again, do you think he said "hi, my name is ? and I am a broke-azz man!" ... I'm sure he played it off that he was someone he wasn't and some women bought into it. We only found out about his finances because of the media. These women didn't have access to his financial records BEFORE they made the accusation. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 1:40:28 PM | Do Math. 30kids.. don't come from 1 guy.
Wait what how can 30 kids not be from one guy? It's not hard for one man to knock up a bunch of women. Look at this guy in europe he has 82 kids!
Nerdy historian generously knocks up women on the side
http://now.msn.com/now/0413-private-sperm-donor.aspx?ocid=mobnow11 | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 1:46:54 PM | Send him to prison. Make sure his fellow inmates know how many kids he's fathered. Make sure they know he's in prison for not supporting those kids.
I imagine "prison justice" would catch up to him and he'd be sterilized in no time. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 2:04:39 PM | I've seen situations where one guy has fathered 4 kids within one year... Hell, it's even documented that Puff Daddy fathered 3 kids by 2 different women. The kids were born several months apart. (Twin girls and I can't remember what gender the other kid is...but at least he has the $$ to take care of them.)
Yes, there are times when a woman has not clue...yet I've seen situations where a woman knows a man is bouncing back between her bed and another woman's bed. Instead of the women taking pride in themselves and feeling they can do better, they are too busy lashing out at the other woman, saying crap like "that's why I have him now," instead of saying "I'm with this guy because?!"
Come on, if an attractive guy who is educated and makes good money doesn't have an issue with getting several women a year who are good catches to sleep with him, you don't think a guy who doesn't work can't get the girl who lives within an environment where "it's the norm" the have your kids by different men/live off the system?! It's even easier in that scenario, IMO, because these people are often sitting at home all day and/or standing on the street corner for hours at a time in front of the bodega...doing nothing...I see it near where I live. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 2:22:04 PM | | Let's march him to the center of Times Square with "broke-ass" written on his chest, cut his baby batter factories off and feed them to the mothers of his children. Then, we can all basque in our self-righteous glow. Yaaaay!!!!! Rabble Rabble!!! | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 2:26:31 PM | | Oh I get it now. I mean who has the time to work when there are so many more children to be made. Seems like making children is his job. This guy makes rapper, DMX (10 kids by 4 different women I think), look respectable. They're all just trying to keep up with the 7 billion that are already on the planet. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 2:47:21 PM | So what?
Forget about him and make sure the children are well taken care of,and get quality health care and education. Stop the cycle.
Americans often get off on a tangent on being outraged about whatever and, in the mean time , not much is done to actually sove the issue at hand...children needing a decent quality of life. | |
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