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Americans often get off on a tangent on being outraged about whatever and, in the mean time , not much is done to actually sove the issue at hand...children needing a decent quality of life.
You do know that there are a significant number of Canadians posting here as well, don't you? It would be alot more appropriate to use the word "People". But then, I guess that wouldn't suit your agenda.
I'm a huge advocate for birth control education and assistance. Until we make progress in that area, this type of problem will continue to occur. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 3:07:08 PM | | birth control and in this guys case a form of his birth control needs to be sterilization. I just find it pathetic this guy is asking for the gov aid when he was complaining about getting all of his income taken away from him for child support, as if that 1.29 per month will do anything for the childern these mothers. lol Give me a break. Guess he should have thought about that before he had all of this unpretected sex like some jack rabbit. Wait, nevermind even jack rabbits have their limits lol. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 3:15:59 PM | (So what? Forget about him and make sure the children are well taken care of,and get quality health care and education. Stop the cycle.)
What do you think the government is doing when a woman can walk into the welfare office saying she's pregnant yet AGAIN and she needs even more of the taxpayer's money to take care of the newest child?! It is a double edged sword...really it is. Do you know how many housing projects there are that offer free or deeply discounted rent so that certain kids can have a roof over their heads?! Instead of our government saying OK, here is this apartment, food stamps, WIC vouchers, free health care, etc while Mommy gets to sit at home all day to see all of the Maury and Jerry Springer shows, how about making it mandatory for the woman to pick 2 skills/trades (such as computer skills, medical billing, or nurses aid) and make it a REQUIREMENT for these women to take government offered courses so they can get a job...and if they refuse, the benefits will be stopped.) I'd rather invest my tax money in programs like that, as opposed to seeing women who are on welfare for 10-18 years at a time...which I saw when I reviewed the files of clients at the housing authority I worked for as a teen.
Imagine walking down the street after a day's work. A person approaches you and says "I'm going to have as many children as I please, and you're going to support my lifestyle...pay for food, affordable housing, medical expenses...and there's nothing you can do about it! I'm going to sit on my ass all day long...and pop out even more kids, if I want to!" How would that make you feel, as you're busting your ass day in and day out trying to care for yourself and loved ones...or better yet, perhaps you want kids as well, but you're delaying it until you get your life together?! What I said may sound extreme, but when you have "career welfare/benefits" people who do not have any disabilities...this is exactly what they are saying to society...you just don't see "the face."
Again, I'm not referring the people who fall on their luck temporarily and need assistance. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 5:26:36 PM | Welfare dependency ruins people.
True story. Years ago, my dad took us to a national park. I went to feed a coyote, and my dad pointed to the sign
that said that feeding the animals was against the law. I asked him why. He said, "If people feed them everyday, they
become tame and unable to fend for themselves, and when people are not around to give them food they will starve to death."
This is what has ruined California. When a guy can get 30 women knocked up and the state has to pick up the bill, and the man has no accountability, the society is in total shambles.
I think that push has come to shove now, and austerity is coming all over the country. No doubt there will be riots, as the irresponsible people who have become reliant on the nanny state will now revolt and go apesh**.
At some point, even the out of touch moonbats will have to recognize that somebody has to pay, and taxpayers are tired of paying for the crazy and the lazy and the just plain stupid. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 7:00:52 PM |
What do you think the government is doing when a woman can walk into the welfare office saying she's pregnant yet AGAIN and she needs even more of the taxpayer's money to take care of the newest child?!
Hopefully the state is providing her the best pre-natal care availablre. Makes sure that her child gets excellent nutrition and receives an excellent education. Hopefully the state also has support sytem for this mother to make sure she isn't marginalized.
Not helping her accomplishes what exactly?... hint...it won't be helping society to 'punish' her or her 3 or 5 or 10 children. it just pushes another generation of kids to the margins to start the cycle over. Western nations that provide a much stronger social safety net for mothers and children have far lower rates of murder, rape, teen pregnancy, etc. There is a common sense understanding that problem kids don't just fade away. Treating some mother as a 'loser' and not giving her dignity is doing zip to help her kids make something positive of themselves. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 7:20:12 PM |
First of all ... I am allowed my opinion as you are yours. Again, do you think he said "hi, my name is ? and I am a broke-azz man!" ... I'm sure he played it off that he was someone he wasn't and some women bought into it. We only found out about his finances because of the media. These women didn't have access to his financial records BEFORE they made the accusation.
No one said you weren't allowed your opinion... but... one would hope that a woman would take some time to know a man before having a baby or two with someone.... there is only so long you can pretend to have something going for you.... people are too quick to get naked and procreate with people they don't know... when they are unable to provide for a child... I would hope that the women that had babies with this man didn't find out about his finances through the media... it is my job as a woman to make sure that I am capable of providing for my family.... and in that choosing a man that is worthy of being called a father.... you don't make those decisions lightly... | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 8:01:09 PM | (Not helping her accomplishes what exactly?... hint...it won't be helping society to 'punish' her or her 3 or 5 or 10 children. it just pushes another generation of kids to the margins to start the cycle over. Western nations that provide a much stronger social safety net for mothers and children have far lower rates of murder, rape, teen pregnancy, etc. There is a common sense understanding that problem kids don't just fade away. Treating some mother as a 'loser' and not giving her dignity is doing zip to help her kids make something positive of themselves)
I'm not saying treat the woman like a loser...but I would like her to take ownership of an adult decision that she decided to make, that's all, especially if she has done it a few times...she wasn't asking me for help when she was in bed, now was she?!? It should a given she should feel obligated to learn a skill to enable her to support her household. Deadbeat dads who are not disabled should feel obligated as well.
No one said life was going to be easy. Heck, there are days where I'm tired and/or do not feel well...but I still get up and go to work...because if I don't, nothing is what I will have. There have been times when I've gone to my office at 8:30am...and I don't leave until 11pm at night. I'm dead ass tired, hungry, my eyes hurt so bad, it feels like someone threw salt in them...and it will take me 2 hours to get home because my train starts running slower. And guess what, I still have to show up at 8:30am the next day. Oh well...
By the way, even if you provide health care, housing, and food...there still is a major chance the kids will follow a negative path, due to the type of lifestyle and people the woman has around the kids... | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 8:30:24 PM | If the woman is still a loser and negative influence then it's all the more reason to provide the children with proper health care, education, etc. People can talk about locking the parents up, sterilzation, etc. but none of that is going to happen in the real world. In the real world these parents are goung to have kids regardless of how outraged anybody else is about it. The only solution is to do what' you can for the mother and what's best for the children so they make something of their lives and aren't getting pregnant at 16.
Nobody wants to work 40 hours a week and pay taxes to support his guy's 30 children but better to get them off to a good start in life than also paying taxes to support his 100 grandchildren. Better if most of his grandchildren contribute positively to society. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 8:51:51 PM | No. What you are proposing invites more of the same. It's called moral hazard.
It's the same reason why we should never have bailed out the scum on Wall St.
Scum is scum and will always be scum. If you ENABLE scum to thrive and give it backup and
pay for its' mistakes, then you are institutionalizing SCUM behavior that is unsustainable and will totally RUIN the society.
Shrug it off and pay for all of those kids? WITH WHAT?
Are you smoking crack? The country is BROKE. The powers that be are about to impose an austerity program
that will probably have rioting in the streets, and you shrug and say what the hell let's just pay for some fool's mistakes and do nothing to correct the problem?
My God. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 9:05:15 PM | here in Canada, a women, or more often a young girl, has it made
great housing, money, even daycare!!!so that they get a break from all the work of being a mother,and of course if they want, free education
a friend of mine, just lost her meal ticket, her daughter went off to school, she lives in an upscale townhouse, you see housing is mixed in with good areas,so many welfare housing in every area, she paid 138 bucks, for what other people paid 890 for!
children are a buisiness for a minority of women | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 9:12:36 PM | I get the feeling sometimes when reading the posts here, that people have no clue about what is going on in this world.
How do we pay for all of the idiots and thieves and scoundrels?
Should we continue to print money and inflate until the money is worthless?
Or should we raise taxes to 90% of what we earn to pay for mischief and stupidity? | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 9:14:21 PM | | I think this guy is the perfect poster child for irony, and couldn't be more timely. His location in TN is perfect to challenge policies regarding birth control and the state intervention in women's health through right wing political policy. In a perfect world where children's needs were well provided for and family values remained intact, there wouldn't be as much need for the discussion. Stories like this outline the urgency and the reality of what happens when children are born. They still need support, no matter what. Birth control has changed lives for both genders-it has brought freedoms and caused enormous changes and costs in once secure family structures. I feel like as community members, in a society, part of a growing world, we are being called to look at ethics of every single consequence, under every single possibility with due diligence and not just blindly joining a side bc it's PC liberal enough or conservative enough....This indeed, is the stuff of life and death, and ensuring provision for the children who will one day be our future leaders...Nothing to take lightly! | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/20/2012 11:44:53 PM | WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone needs to castrate this mofo.
It's actually really sad tho. All those children are the ones who are the victims. I don't believe that any state/city/province should pay for child support but you really have to think about the children, they are the ones who will suffer the most. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/21/2012 7:35:11 AM | I used to be an auditor for low income housing, three state area. It’s shocking, disgusting & sad what goes on. It’s not unusual to find 3 generations of single women living off the gov‘t.. Mothers encourage their daughters to get pregnant so they can live the good life. Yes it can be a good life, if you know the ins & outs of the system & know where to find the freebies.
There are churches that have classes specifically geared toward gov’t freebies. They designate a person that actually goes to Washington several times a year & has meetings with the housing authority in order to learn of the new programs. Because I was directly involved with the housing authorities, there was a constant group of people wanting to meet with me. They wanted to be first to grab those freebies for their people. They would get so excited & some would actually try to bride me not to tell anyone about the latest program so they could get all the freebies for themselves & their congregation. It was disgusting! Their way of thinking was so wrong, but they just didn’t get it.
To some living off the gov’t is their inheritance. It was not unusual for a single mother to put her 14 year old daughter on the wait list for an apartment, because she knew by the time one became available her daughter would be pregnant. Most would even encourage it & be proud of the 15 plus illegitimate grand children she had. The thought process about getting pregnant & living off the gov’t has gotten seriously screwed up. Being a single mother with several kids that all have a different father should not be something to be proud of, but for some it is.
When Clinton was Pres, he started the Welfare To Work program. Single mothers, once their youngest started school, either got an education, or job training, gov’t paid, or were dropped off gov’t assistance.
The company I worked for assigned some of us to be mentors. I had 5 girls I mentored. Three were friggin useless, had ridiculous reasons why they couldn’t come to work & when they did, refused to work, or were tired, or where sick, or yada yada yada. These women were paid $30 thousand a year, they kept all of their benefits, were given free child care & they b1tched non-stop because they had to work. Only one took advantage of it & now makes an easy $80+ a year & is no longer on gov’t assistance. One got pregnant & actually announced she was going to because she didn’t like to work. Three fell & got injured & now live forever on gov’t disability. Gov’t disability is the new welfare, Somehow they always find a doctor that will state they are injured beyond repair & are no longer able to work. The program was a disaster & not just with my company but throughout the whole U.S.
During the 60’s when a single mother gave birth to her 4th child she was given a hysterectomy. It was something that wasn’t discussed, with the majority not knowing before hand about it. Once it became known the procedure was stopped. It needs to be brought back & the mind set of having babies by several different men needs to be changed.
This man is just a drop in the bucket, there are so many men just like him out there. But most of the women are smart, they know if they don’t tell who the father is they get more money. Unfortunately, there are more single mothers that really do not know who the baby daddies are. This needs to stop, the mind set of these women needs to be changed. They should be embarrassed that they have slept with so many men they have no idea which fathered their child, but instead they are proud! It’s disgusting. But when you have nothing, no education, no specific skills you find one thing you can be proud of. Among a certain group of people, having babies, is the only thing they can lay claim too. It’s their bragging right, the one thing they do the best. Disgusting, but they don't know any better & the circle continues & the children suffer. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/21/2012 9:58:02 AM | 'Mandatory hysterectomy'...isn't going to happen.
'He should be castrated'....isn't going to happen
'They should be locked up'...isn't going to happen
One of the reasons nothing gets done in the USA is because real issues degenerate into ideological dead end discussions. Folks get 'ouraged' with no reality check of dealing with the problem at hand. the problem doesn't go away.
Yup, the U.S. is broke. Yup, your taxes. Yup, there is abuse. The REAL solutuions for providing for thes 30 kids are....? hint, mandatory hyterectomies and infanticide are not on the table in the real world regardless of how much you might relish these. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/21/2012 10:59:57 AM | When it comes to gov’t assistance I think we should have a three strikes & you’re out rule.
Three illegitimate children & they choose either a hysterectomy or off assistance. Three years on assistance with the gov’t paying to educate or train in a career then they are off assistance. For those that won’t comply, the children will suffer, but the children are suffering now & their children’s children are suffering. The three strikes you’re out rule will take time, but once these women realize they are not going to get a free ride from the gov’t they will keep their legs shut & end this cycle.
Eventually these children will follow their mother's lead & strive to become educated self sufficent adults, instead of growing up hoping to get pregnant so they can ride the welfare train like they are doing now. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/21/2012 2:07:21 PM | | The problem with government aid programs is that they started out good to help those that were in need and were trying to get back on their feet, but over the years they became more and more of an handout and instead of actually helping people trying to better themselves in life. So now we have 2 generations worth of people on welfare and many of them instead of trying to use it to better themselves, continue to suck off the system while us hard working tax payers continue to provide for them, which has to stop. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/21/2012 2:53:52 PM | One of the patients I know from work has 17 kids. Welfare pays for him to get Viagra (4 pills a month) because its his right to have them.... afterall, a man should be able to have erections. Without them he cant have them at all.
He is on welfare, cant work and the govt takes care of his children... all 17. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/21/2012 5:00:57 PM | More comments obsessed with this guy or some woman with 17 kids.
Again, nothing is going to turn a loser around. All that can be done to stop the cycle is make sure the children get the best support system society has to offer. It's an investment.
Sweden, Canada. Norway, Germany etc. have much more lucrative support programs for single mothers, poor families, etc. There are still cross generation issues but nothing like in the USA. The lack of universal health care in the USA prevents a lot of working poor to take a chance on going back to school, relocating to look for a job, etc. It also prevents many on social assistance from taking the plunge into the work force.
Health care, maternity benefits, child rearing paid leave, mother allowances, childcare facilites, etc. help integrate mothers and their kids into the work force and mainstream society. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/21/2012 7:52:24 PM | No, it's not an "investment."
You have no clue whatsoever about what is going on here, and it amuses me on a daily basis
to see the clueless posts from people outside the USA who have no idea what is going on here.
America is BROKE. The states are broke, the federal government is BROKE.
Austerity programs are coming. There is absolutely no way around it.
The Fed cannot keep printing money without a severe devaluation of the currency, and in fact it's already happening.
They CAN'T print enough to cover the entitlements, and they can only tax so much before people will RIOT.
Something has got to give.
The dependency on government has CREATED guys like this. He spreads the misery of his damaged seed because he knows that we will take care of it. This is coming to an end now. The system is crashing. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2012 8:51:24 PM | "America is BROKE"
Oh pullezeeeee, America is not broke, far from it.
You want change to the way America spends money, write your congressman and tell him to cut the defense budget in half, then cut foreign aid in half.
Pressure congress to tell the banks to lend, not invest in treasury bonds to make a gauranteed 2% on whatever they get at the Fed window. Pass a law that punishes corporations from shipping jobs overseas.
Turn the economy around, and 8 years from now, the country will be fine.
Until you crazy conservatives understand that the only way to break this cycle is to teach them to use birth control, train them for a job, get them a job, nothing will change. | |
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| Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 5/22/2012 3:10:42 AM | If a child grows up seeing neither parent is being held accountable for the actions of having a ton of kids, yet depending upon the government for all of their expenses, what type of adult do you think a child will end up being...besides a parent at age 16, and a grandparent at age 36?! These people are true LIABILITIES to our nation!
I read 3 NYC area newspapers daily. A day doesn't go by when I read about a young person under 20 years old who either gets shot, stabbed, arrested or even killed. And when more info about the person's family comes out, 9 times out of 10 the kid is a product of a single parent home with numerous dads, no job mom...and when the media interviews the friends and family of the person, whether in the paper and/or TV, the common comments include "he is/was such a good guy, he wanted to be a rapper or basketball player." F*uck this bullshit! Whether people want to admit it or not, this is very common. You have inner-city kids who have parents who are not made to work, so they either think the only way is to continue the trend. Or they choose 2 careers where less than 1% of the population has the ability to break into...THIS is what sets kids, (and I'm going to say this because I've seen it many times as a black woman) but particularly black kids to fail in America.
Parents need to be offered trade/skill training so they HAVE NO CHOICE but to work...or starve.
And again, I am completely aware there are people of all backgrounds that live this lifestyle...but it is at an extremely high percentage within the black community. It really saddens me, and it needs to stop!
JMHO... | |
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