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| | EUROPEAN ECONOMIC UNITY DOES NOT WORKPage 4 of 3 (1, 2, 3) | This country is historically an immigrant melting pot. London is probably the most diverse city on earth. Our hospitals and scientific research facilities are staffed substantially by well qualified hard working immigrants.
Immigrants are not britain's problem, our own feckless useless illiterate scrounger crim class are the problem. I would rather have a hard working filipina wipe my arse when I am ancient than any Karen Matthews type.
When times are hard we like to blame foreigners. It ain't their fault our cities are full of fat people in trakkies with bad Argos bling and silly hats with huge flat screen tvs but no fekking job!
Britain's got fat n idle. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 2:36:39 AM | London is hardly representative of an average British city, and the FACTS show that immigration into this country has grown massively during the past 20 years.
I have nothing against hard-working Filipina nurses...hell, I was married to one for 15 years....and went through a protracted and expensive process in order to sponsor her coming to this country in the first place, part of which was proving that I had secure employment, somewhere to live, that the relationship was genuine and that we were not going to be dependent on the state in any way.
If only all the teenage chavs had to pass such a test before they were able to pro-create. (rollseyes).
That particular (Filipino) community also integrate into our traditional society, embracing and respecting our way of life.
It's the ones who don't who cause suspicion and resentment.
Romanians thieves and beggars have no such problem....in they come with no restrictions whatsoever.
Yes, of course we need to sort out our home-grown idle scumbags, but let's do that before opening the floodgates.
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Posted: 5/30/2012 2:49:20 AM | I agree with regulated immigration, who doesnt but 'they' aren't the problem. Very few foreign cultures resist assimilation and not all of them are bad .. Think Jewish and Chinese communities!
Romanian thieving gypsy **stards and northern Pakistani communities are not representative of immigrants either.
Generalise at your peril | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 11:29:54 AM |
and as for Jo Van's 'clever' response.
Thank you. 
There ARE people in this country with a few brain cells who DON'T react in 'knee-jerk fashion, HAVE thought it through, HAVE been against the idea of a 'Common Market' from its inception, and some like myself don't even buy a newspaper (or should that be 'comic' ?) let alone allow themselves to be influenced by media Barons.
And yet here you are, claiming that immigrants are a "net loss", when in reality, they are net contributors to the economy.
If you're not getting your hysterical,(not to mention incorrect) " information" from the media, where are you getting it..?
Or are you just making it up, and hoping that everyone will join in, and grab their pitchforks and torches..?
I noticed you chose to ignore the fact that almost 1 million Brit's live in Spain, who's economy is far worse than ours.
Are you suggesting that all ex-pats are forcibly repatriated..? If so, there'll be almost Five and a half million more Brits here.
You also ignored, in your rant about "English jobs", that most manufacturing, for British-owned companies, (like Dyson) have moved to wherever the labour costs are cheapest. (Malaysia in his case, I think)
You see, "Johnny Foreigner" doesn't need to come here to take your jobs, your English companies have already sold your jobs, to the lowest bidder! 
And even if the company is here, like Vodaphone, Smith-Klein-Beecham, Top Shop, etc etc. they all take their profits overseas. Like "Sir" Phillip Green, who paid his wife a £1.2 Billion "dividend" one year, and avoided the £284 Million in tax, in this country! It's no wonder he's advising the Govt on "saving money"! 
It's not just about economics, it's about a country losing its independence and having its culture destroyed,
I 'bumped' an old thread recently, about "British Culture". The truth is, whether it's our language, or our customs, you wouldn't be able to define "British Culture".
Eg. Tea -China and India.
Religion - The middle east, and Rome.
Language - Latin and Germanic, and French.
Christmas trees- Germany.
Father Christmas- Coca~Cola
Etc., etc...
This country is founded on the customs we imported from elsewhere.
I CARE about my country, and the reason hundreds of thousands of Britons lost their lives in defence of our heritage and way of life....a stand which bankrupted us and saved the skins of some of the arrogant twots across the Channel.
Millions of those "arrogant twots" across the channel died in defence of your heritage too.
Primarily because Chamberlain tried to appease Hitler, so they found themselves "playing at home" for the duration of the war, in Czechoslovakia, for example, because the aristocracy here agreed with his "ubermensch" drivel. Including the King.
Learn some history, before you start bleating about "heritage".
WW2 was based on the same sort of tribal, racist, xenophobic drivel, which is so apparent in many of the views I see expressed today.
It was a mistake then, it's still a mistake today.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:59:04 AM | We are digressing here ...
Yes Fred The EEC has spawned out of the EU and as has been said countries that have been less than honest at best and corrupt at the extreme have been allowed to join ....Greece being a good example. Other countries have been bailed out and Euro politicians are running round like headless chickens wondering how on Earth to restore confidence in a currency and ideal that fewer and fewer people want.
EIGHT HUNDRED TRILLION EUROS given out to countries in loans and grants to try and stableise their local economies!! What Does Euro expect in return? Severe cutbacks to the extent that thousands upon thusands of people are being thrown out of work, massive cut backs in education, health and social services. Decreases in social benefit and indirect taxes being forced on companies and individuals at every opportunity.
I have always said that there is NOTHING wrong with immigration, its needed as we do not produce enough skilled and professional people in certain areas of commerce and public sector . What we DONT need is unskilled economic migrants flooding through our borders who have nothing to offer other than a begging bowl. Migrants that have little interest in our culture or learning our language. We are not looking after our own indiginous population with regards to housing, education and medical services properly its upsurd that we have an open door policy to Europe.
As for the idiot who seems to thing were all Europhobes and racist as well as influenced by the media - I would ask him to look at what is hppening in the streets of this country. A friend of mine teaches at a primary school in London and tells me that one of the biggest problems he has is language. In many classes English is not the first language and so much as he and others try to teach English the work is undone at home where often no one speaks it!! The result is that a great number of hours are spent not teaching specific subjects but getting pupils to a point where they have enough grasp of the English language where they can actually start to study!
I maintain that if the UK left the EEC it would not suffer at all. Sterling is still our currency and thank god we kept it. If we leave Europe we willo still trade with them. They will still seek to export to us - They cant afford not to!
1.We need to dump the Human rights act (I See Qutada has managed to use it to stay here at least another six months) and bring in a British Bill of Rights.
2. We need to speed up deportation of Europeon criminals held in our prisons - They are someone elses social scum not ours.
3. We need to start investing in our own economy not others - We need a government education and training department that has a remit which is simply to invesigate skills shortages at regional level just as Australia and Canada does . From that they can then look at funding local colleges and providing training that meet those gaps we have in the skills sector.
4. Yes we do need immigration but I cannot just hop on a plane and expect Australia, New Zealand, Canada or USA to provide me with free housing, education, welfare benefits and freedom to compete in the local jobs market with their indiginous population - They expect me to have a trade that is NEEDED. They expect me to have medical checks, criminal record checks and either a sponsor or sufficient funds to ensure I can pay my way for up to two years . As a tax payer of this country why should I not expect the government of my country to lay down the same rules for people that want to come here?
5. We NEED to adopt the same immigration criteria as Australia etc and enforce our borders properly.We HAVE to have sufficient customs immigration personel to be able to turn away at passport control those that did do not have the right to come here. UK limited is not a registered charity we have enough issues of our own and yes, that includes dealing with those thst WONT work who are British born.
This is the time (While Ms Merkel and co are running round in a panic wondering how on Earth to rescue the Franko Germanic state of Europe from collapse) to start thinking about our own future. This is the time to start thinking more about Britain Plc . We are being battered on TV with adverts telling us to stay at home, have British holidays, dont go to Spain, France, Portugal etc but stay here and put our money into British tourism?
Thats all good and perhaps they should now start a new advertising campaign promoting British Industry, Encouraging employers to look at ways they could take on British youngsters. We should be screaming the high level of workmanship from British trades people - And trust me if you have travelled and seen the shoddy building work in Greece, Portugal, Spain etc then you would recognise just how damn good we are are making and building things - IF we are given the training and opportunity to do it.
Europe has NOT worked for Britain its time to get off this over bearocratic sinking ship and start rowing our own boat again. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2012 11:07:23 AM | Graffiti ...Im sure I am not alone in predicting the euro would not have a very happy time. And no its not based on media scaremongering. I am my own person and have my own opinions. For me, if 17 countries in one continent take on one currency, then they are all subject to share any economic problems. Is that a good thing? Look around ...of course it isn't.
Why are countries not wanting to leave? Because to leave would mean many years of trying to recover value to their previous currency. I say that in very simple terms as I am short of time but hope you get it. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2012 12:02:16 PM | SOME WHAT OFF TOPIC
I’m getting increasing peeved about Europenas coming into the UK without any means of self-support, or any sponsor/financial backup. Now I don’t want to come across as anti-, but I work in a debt recovery team – collecting unpaid tax and out of every 5 cases I investigate 4 of them cases will be of foreign origin, these people have come to this county, lived/used the facilities, left a trail of debt behind them and then bugged off – without any input/contribution to the economy what so ever, most are still here, scrounging and lying to the authorities to be obtain benefit. Where in Europe/the world, can I go, and claim benefits, when I can’t speak the language and be given money to live. This is the smallest island, with the largest population of any of the other European counties, this over burden cannot be sustained and is being to break under the sheer numbers using and abusing the system without input Another 15/20 years and we will be like Greeks, especially when no tax is being paid to enable our services and facilities to continue – Rant over | |
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Posted: 6/1/2012 1:27:48 PM | its not actually the smallest island... great britain is the eighth or ninth largest island in the world..... bigger than ireland (lesser britain lol).
the UK does not have the largest european population either, if that is what you meant.
however it is hard to disagree with your point that if you come here, whether entitled european or not, and you cannot support yourself here, its time to go home.
on the other hand, remember that we are also the beneficiaries of good labour and skills educated at the expense of another nation... think how much it costs to put karen matthews through school, for what net gain to the wealth of the nation?.. compared to a filipina with a nursing degree from de la salle.. for which we paid nothing. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2012 1:08:59 AM | I can see your point of educated immigration, i.e. into our hospitals/service industry /labour markets, as for the uneducated British “Karen Matthews” type, more resources could/may be put into our education establishments – if we did not have to divert monies into teaching children to speak English in the first place
Many years ago (1977) I moved to a southern town, my child started school aged 5, prior to her starting school, I taught her the basics myself, reading /writing/sums. I enrolled her into the local school. On the first morning of school, I spoke to her teacher and informed her that my daughter had been taught the basics at home and was good at reading, the teacher’s reply to me was “ Oh good she can help Abdul/Salem to read – out of a class of 35 children, only 5 were only able to speak English as a 1st language, this was 33 years ago and the decline in the education system has declined to such an extent that children don’t always get the opportunities they need .
My grandson attends a local school and although it is one of the better schools in the area, myself and my daughter are still home educating him as well.
I put my daughter into a private school, which gave her a head start, with her education. I was only able to do this because I worked nights, in a car factory (to pay her school fees) when the job became redundant, she had to go into mainstream school.
I would not like to see any child deprived of a decent education, but for goodness sake educate the parents first, into speaking English and helping their children. How can a none English speaking parent help a child with homework?
Not all things should be blamed on the governments of the day, people need to be responsible for their own actions and paths in life, there are too many do gooders in this country trampling over the ones who have helped themselves and don’t sit whinging about their lot.
There is a lot of resent, within the UK, about the amount of immigration allowed, most people who were born & live here have seen a real decline over the last 10 years, this includes my own British Asian adopted family, who have integrated and educated their children to becoming employable adults, something’s got to give, before more riots take to the streets again | |
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Posted: 6/2/2012 1:24:59 AM | agreed, to a point, but we mustn't mix up the few communities who do not assimilate (not that this is completely an issue) with the very much larger numbers who do assimilate.. i don't really like 'assimilate' as a measure... thinking back to my earlier post on jews and chinese who assimilate to a degree but who maintain their own very robust communities at no detriment to the rest of us.
you may also be familiar with the desire of teachers to have a chinese or indian student in their class because they work so damn hard.
and i know there are enclaves in certain towns where the community doesnt speak english and has no desire to speak english and i know the vote forms come in any language you care to select... but much like the 'pakistani men groom white trash girls..', in reality this is probably no more than one community of immigrants from a certain background... say no more.....
my sister was a teacher in the sort of school you mention, where in her case not one child or parent had english as a first language... but you can bet that by 8 or 9 they had english as a bloody good second language and by 11 or 12 will be as fluent as any similar english child... and more literate than karen matthews.
something has to give - and it is the belief that 'all immigrants are...' responsible for the ills of this country. they're not. a very few are responsible for a very few of the ills of this country and it is our fault for being soft as shite... most immigrants come here educated at no cost to us, work their arses off, learn english to a higher standard than the british average ( i believe the average literacy age of the UK adult is something like 13... in the army it is 11, i kid you not), they contribute and are very conscious that they have to make their own way - and most of them do. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2012 8:07:49 AM |
The EU has also helped to bring about one of the longest periods without war ever seen on the European continent and successfully brought about regime change in many of the former USSR states
I think you'll find it was the Allied Forces after the 2nd World War stationed in Europe and Germany in particular that enforced the peace and faced the communist threat down allowing Europeans the space to learn to live together. Television and cheap travel have allowed us to understand that people in other countries are no different to ourselves and they do more for world peace than the EU ever will. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2012 9:48:52 AM |
we depend of them to provide the taxes (Yes shockingly most of them work and contribute) that are going to pay your pension ?
No we don't anymore, there are two plenty on non migrants to do most of their jobs, it's the employers that are favouring them | |
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Posted: 6/2/2012 10:31:44 AM | @Message 58 ,that's a very angry rant .Too much hate can blind ones judgement .So the country is in decline ? Decline from what ?
The years 1997-2007 were the best years in UK economic history .Those years were also the years we had the highest growth in Buy to Let housing market .Most of these houses were bought in the areas where immigrants live .The housing market was at the forefront of the boom ?
See the connection ?
So we have the highest passes A'level in the history of the country year on year since forever ,yet you claim education is in decline,decline from where ? Also the highest number of people from poor backgrounds going to universities.
I watched a program on BBC4 about the 70s and I concluded that there were no good old days .Life in Britain today is far better than those days. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2012 1:21:58 PM | Please be corrected, not an angry rant, just my opinion , as I see it, and entitled to in this democratic (pc) country we all live in and love, nothing to do with ignorance or non-education on my part.
You are correct between 97-2007 there was a boom in the UK economic, years of house buying boom left over from the early 1990’s recession (abet not nearly as chastrioc as this recession ) I was able to buy my own property at 15% interest , then promptly got made redundant, I was offered and got a 100% mortgage with also an offer to borrow more than I needed, maybe if I had not been so naive, I should have taken all the money on offer and invested in repossessed properties (left over from 85/90 struggle) But I do know that a lot of our very well educated/clued up/ clubbed together foreign friends, in their overtaken areas, brought up a lot of unfit to live in properties, renting them out – cash in hand – no tax payable, not paying council tax, claiming benefits, sending profits home using and draining this economy, and still doing this today – with 2 finger up to the establishment. I see evidence of this every day in my job
Education – my daughter did very well at school (passed A levels etc.) I was unable to help her afford Uni, to busy paying a 15% mortgage, with the uncertainty of redundancy, we didn’t have the nonce or balls to cheat/lie the system to achieve her goals. Oh yes we have students at Uni from all walks of background – majority studying Media/Art/Design – I’m sure will be very helpful getting a real job in the real world, we now have graduates apply for jobs which the mainstream educated should be doing
Some of the students deliberately come here to cheat the system, just check out the bogus, so called colleges/foreign Uni’s – We even have foreign advice centres, helping students and immigrants fill in their claim forms and encouraging them on how to abuse the system (never heard of in the 60/70’s)
Your right, maybe the 70’s weren’t the most brilliant of times in an era, neither were the 1930/40s, but at least the majority of people were honest/hardworking/decent, with consideration to their kin, call me old fashioned, but if the above is not decline – then I stand corrected | |
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Posted: 6/3/2012 1:19:19 AM | You say you are not alone Soverncomfort and right now today, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight you are correct but back then you were alone or at least almost alone. I can remember being very heavily involved in the campaign to have the UK adopt the Euro and I can say with some confidence that none of the worlds financial organisations or governments took your line when it came to the Euro. Reports from the IMF, the world bank, the WTO, the UN, UNESCO and UNICEF, the European Central Bank, the BoE and every other major financial institution, government or serious economist that I am aware of had any such reservations about it. In fact the only concerns I ever heard raised were from Jack Straw and a few other UK politians who's major concerns seemed to be for their own liberty once the UK accounts were exposed to public scrutiny knowing as they did that our accounts were, and still are, the most corrupt, misleading and defrauded accounts of any major economy.
You say look around but look around at what?. History is repleat with examples of countries and nations that have gone down the road of monetary union or pegging their currency to one that is stronger than their own would be as a stand alone currency. I cannot think of a single example of such a move every failing whether is the US$, the UK£ or any of the other major world currencies. If you can think of one I would be interested to know which one it is.
There are some valid comments being made about some EZ members not being truthful in their national accounts and rightly saying that the entry criteria were not being met at the time of joining. This is IMO 100% true, however it was not just the current EU/EZ countries who are in difficulty that were guilty of this, most member states did not meet them and in particular neither Germany, France nor the UK, the three largest EU economies, met them. Whilst I accept that I know very little about the German and French national accounts I can say with 100% certainty that the UK accounts are now, and were then, every bit as fraudulent as those of Greece, Spain and Italy and that issues such as tax avoidance, tax evasion and tax fraud are every bit as endemic here as they were in the PIIGS at the time of joining the EZ.....GP | |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 12:21:54 PM | I can say with 100% certainty that the UK accounts are now, and were then, every bit as fraudulent as those of Greece, Spain and Italy and that issues such as tax avoidance, tax evasion and tax fraud are every bit as endemic here as they were in the PIIGS at the time of joining the EZ.....GP
I would like you to support that statement with evidence. As you say with "100% certainty" back it up.
Spain are about top be bailede out to the tune of 100 million Euros and already there are doubts that Spain has the ability to pay it back.
Greece has been bailed out.
Ireland has been bailed out.
Portugal, Italy too ...Who is next.... ? And its the taxpayer of other countries that ultimatly doing the bail out.
I stand by what I said in my last post. Monetary union is NOT working. This isnt a hiccup this is not some blip. The Euro is a dead duck. How many more countries have to be bailed out before the Euro fanatics accept that it would be in the best interests of all to reintroduce soveriegn currencies and allow each to find its natural value against each other.
If we pulled out of the EEC tomorrow Europe would still trade with us because it HAS to. I am waiting for someone to address the points I raised regarding immigration and my belief that UK should follow the Australian model in its entirety. Just why should the UK be providing social housing, welfare benefits and free medical care to any Europeon who enters the UK....And why do I need travel insurance when I travel in Europe -- Should I not be able to get it free too wherever I go? .....Or is this a one sided deal?
As for the muppets waving the race card - Its not about race at all - Controlled structured immigration as I outlined in my previous post is not based on colour or creed at all. why do people just cherry pick statements to attack instead of reading a whole post and addressing all the points made ? | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 2:13:15 AM |
I noticed you chose to ignore the fact that almost 1 million Brit's live in Spain, who's economy is far worse than ours.
Are you suggesting that all ex-pats are forcibly repatriated..? If so, there'll be almost Five and a half million more Brits here.
Do you live in a fantasy world? Seriously, the British who migrated to Spain brought villas and property which created demand in an otherwise stagnant Spanish property market. Our money created a market and jobs for the Spanish people living there. There is no benefits system available to British foreigners and on top of that we have to pay a foreigners tax on property and businesses. Despite the unfair taxes we still managed to transform the whole Costa Del Sol.
Puerto Banus is a millionairs play ground that has been built by investment from western europe. If your theory about immigration being so great is true then how come the streets of East London aren't paved with gold? All I see there is absolute poverty, bar a few market traders, money exchanges and claims companies the absolute majority are unemployed and living on handouts from the government.
If you import a few hundred thousand people, dump them all in one place, give them income support and child tax credits do you honestly think they are going to go out and work? The reason you can't see this Jo is because you've never left your leafy suburb.
These non productive areas are the work of the labour party, who are only interested in "human rights".
All the liberals ever say is what about the chavs who don't work, if you know about the chavs then why import more non productive people? oh wait I know, because they deserve "the right to a family"
Seriously, stop watching BBC documentaries, they are biased to the extreme, surely as an adult with average intelligence you can see this. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 2:39:50 AM |
If you import a few hundred thousand people, dump them all in one place, give them income support and child tax credits do you honestly think they are going to go out and work? The reason you can't see this Jo is because you've never left your leafy suburb.
indeed if you really did import few 100k immigrants and dumped them all in one place....... then you could happily exaggerate as much as you like.
the largest immigration, i think, was the ugaandan asian population expelled by idi amin. they've done OK, and done OK for the rest of us too.
i love a good generalisation. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 2:49:10 AM | msg 68, you generalised yourself further up the thread when you said romany gypsys are theives and that Pakistanis are non assimilating.
That's the thing about the PC brigade, it's ok for them to generalise in the name of, yeah actually, what is it in the name of, calling romany gypsies theives is a massive generalisation fredforties, if I was a PC do gooder I'd be calling you a racist now :-)
As for the Pakistani community, they are by no means a small minority in East London. So what are you going to do with them, afterall you said they are non assimilating remember? ;-)
Please do enlighten me, because you spend most of your time calling other people racists yet you seem to hold the same views as all the "racists". Saying "immigration is great" in every post doesn't make you less prejudiced it just makes you look silly.
Choose your words carefully now son, I know a Pakistani millionaire that speaks perfect English and when I owned a print shop my graphic designer was Romanian. ;-) | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:48:53 AM | close, but no cigar
i said romany thieving gypsy **stards!, not the same as 'all romanians are **stards or all roma gypsies are **stards but romanian thieving gypsies, imported by their gang masters to plague london for the olympics - .... go visit marble arch and tell me you think otherwise.
equally i alluded to a small group of pakistani men in one or two northern towns, not all pakistanis. and no, i didnt say all pakistanis are non-assimilating, and whether they are or not, my point on assimilation is that on its own it is not a useful measure - see my chinese and jewish reference as well.
i have no idea if i spend 'most' of my time calling everyone a racist - but thanks for caring enough to add up my words. my suspicion is that you are not completely correct. what you may have found is my suggestion that immigration is not what some choose to imagine it to be and that immigrants are too easily labelled as undesirable without the notion of what most immigrants actually do.
i hope you weren't the grammar editor for your print shop. your pakistani millionaire WHO speaks perfect english would be horrified to read your grasp of this language.
and finally, the PC brigade - not me pal. I'm quite happy, however, to play host to people who come from shitty backgrounds and work their arses off to make a living and pay some tax along the way... to help pay for our own karen matthews underclass - no PC there ...
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Posted: 6/12/2012 10:07:55 AM |
Do you live in a fantasy world? Seriously, the British who migrated to Spain brought villas and property which created demand in an otherwise stagnant Spanish property market. Our money created a market and jobs for the Spanish people living there. There is no benefits system available to British foreigners and on top of that we have to pay a foreigners tax on property and businesses. Despite the unfair taxes we still managed to transform the whole Costa Del Sol.
It's always best to know what you're talking about, and you clearly don't.
One million Brit's there, and yet their unemployment rate is 25%, and 50% amongst the young. Their economy, like ours, in it's second recession, and the banks there, having to be bailed out, yet again, this time to the tune of E100,000,000,000,000.
And are the Brit's fleeing death, torture? have they had members of their families killed or tortured..? Do they risk certain death because of their political views, or their sexual orientation..?
No.
They're there because they don't like the English weather.
And the 60 odd thousand pensioners there, are putting a huge strain on their health system, and many doctors there have complained, because of the extra costs of interpreters, because, despite living there for several years, very few of them have bothered to learn Spanish.
This is because they live in little all-English enclaves, with English Shops, English hairdressers, English Estate Agents, English tradespeople, and all English neighbours.
Sound familiar..>? 
Oh. and benefits are available to EU members, anywhere in the EU. D'uh! Otherwise we wouldn't have to pay them when they come here.
If your theory about immigration being so great is true then how come the streets of East London aren't paved with gold? All I see there is absolute poverty, bar a few market traders, money exchanges and claims companies the absolute majority are unemployed and living on handouts from the government.
And finally for the hundredth time: Immigrants are net contributors to the economy, they earn the country more than they cost.
The problem with these EDL/BNP/Daily Wail inspired, anti immigration rants, is that they ignore the 5.5 million Brits living in other countries. (That's permanently!)
(That's almost 10% of the entire population. If India did that, it would be 120Million people!)
Puerto Banus is a millionairs play ground that has been built by investment from western europe.
Two things:
1/. Spain is not only in "Western Europe", it's the furthest "Western" you can get.
2/. See if you can take a wild guess at WHY all the banks in Spain, are having to be bailed-out.
These non productive areas are the work of the labour party, who are only interested in "human rights".
You've already admitted that you only write sh1t like that, to try and "wind people up", specifically me.
That's just trolling. If I were a cry-baby, I'd report that. 
Seriously, stop watching BBC documentaries, they are biased to the extreme, surely as an adult with average intelligence you can see this.
"Seriously"..? I am an adult, so I don't watch "Little Charlie Bear",
so I neither think it's "biased", nor that it's a "documentary".
I would recommend you start watching "Newsnight", and stop believing Viscount Rothermere's version of events.
The EU is a collection of countries, all economically fvcked [Med. Term], because each of their individual banks, all gambled themselves insolvent, but then "Nationalised" the debt.
The banks, all individually vociferously opposed to any form of "socialism", indeed, the very epitomes of "capitalism", all suddenly and simultaneously, saw the benefits of socialism.
So now we work harder to pay their losses, while they lost nothing, and continue to pay themselves Billions in bonuses.
All "austerity" measures, in all countries, are a result of the banks gambling the deposits of ordinary people, and losing.
Until people wake up to that fact, nothing will change, and things will continue to get worse.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 2:55:08 PM |
Immigrants are net contributors to the economy, they earn the country more than they cost.
This statement is at variance with a Parliamentary committee that reported in 2008 which concluded – and I quote – ‘Our overall conclusion is that the economic benefits of net immigration to the resident population are small and close to zero in the long run'. The House of Lords committee called into question the then Labour Government's claims that foreign workers added £6 billion each year to the wealth of the nation.
It concluded that any fiscal gain had to be balanced against the increase in population and the increased use of local services such as health and education and that ten years of record immigration to Britain produced virtually no economic benefit per head of population.
The findings of the Lords economics committee effectively demolished the key argument made by Labour ministers of the time which the post above repeated almost verbatim to justify the highest levels of immigration in the country's history.
The inquiry by the committee, which included two former chancellors and several former Cabinet ministers, was the first to try to balance the costs and benefits of large-scale immigration.
The EU is a collection of countries, all economically fvcked [Med. Term], because each of their individual banks, all gambled themselves insolvent, but then "Nationalised" the debt
A rant based more on ideological dogma than fact. The EU is a collection of countries some of them economically crippled for generations to come because by signing up to the Euro 'Project' politicians allowed hubris to overcome economic reality. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 3:32:54 PM | Immigrants are net contributors to the economy, they earn the country more than they cost. This statement is at variance with a Parliamentary committee that reported in 2008 which concluded – and I quote – ‘Our overall conclusion is that the economic benefits of net immigration to the resident population are small and close to zero in the long run'. The House of Lords committee called into question the then Labour Government's claims that foreign workers added £6 billion each year to the wealth of the nation.
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Not at all "at variance", unless you have some problem understanding the phrase net contributors.
I know full-well that it's only a small net benefit, but it certainly isn't a net cost, so all the people who keep repeating all this BS about "immigrants being a drain on the economy" need to stop saying it, because it is simply incorrect.
They are a net benefit. It may only average out at 60p per year each, but that's still a benefit.
What part are you struggling to understand..?
A rant based more on ideological dogma than fact. The EU is a collection of countries some of them economically crippled for generations to come because by signing up to the Euro 'Project' politicians allowed hubris to overcome economic reality.
We've been over this once before. The banking bail-out doubled this country's debt. Some other countries fared even worse.
I have no "ideological dogma" which states that "banks should be allowed to gamble their customer's money, lose it, and then go 'cap-in-hand' to their respective governments, for money".
Capitalism failed.
So they "socialised" their debts.
You can keep trotting out the same old 'sound-bites', but the current crisis had nothing to do with the "hubris" of politicians, and everything to do with the greed of bankers, who couldn't buy CDO', and SIV's with 13% yields, from Lehman Bros, fast enough.
All "Rated AAA" by "Standard & Poor", and "Moodies", and the other credit ratings agencies.
(The same credit ratings agencies who now "downgrading" the credit ratings on Entire Countries, like Spain, because they don't like the levels of their debt. )
-The debt they'd accumulated by bailing out the banks who'd lost their shirts, buying those same AAA rated "CDO's".
So we now have "Austerity measures" imposed on the very poorest, at the behest of the "markets" and credit ratings agencies, who all made billions during the boom times, but lost nothing, when the bust came, because it was added to the nation's debts.
When the cuts bite here, we'll see the same sort of civil unrest we're seeing in Greece, and Spain, and France.
And 20% fewer police, to deal with it.
The "near perfect storm" is brewing.
The general public aren't stupid, all the information is there, if you care to look for it.
I'm not making this sh1t up.
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| EUROPEAN ECONOMIC UNITY DOES NOT WORK
Posted: 6/12/2012 6:07:31 PM | @ rosso
you have to think a bit wider
very often, we gain skills from immigrants that we didnt pay to educate. immigrants are not stealing our jobs - many are working in jobs our home-bred (and expensively educated) workforce does not want to do. they didnt steal the jobs from the locals, the locals just couldnt be arsed to get out of bed and compete.
yes, there is a good argument for controls on immigration to ensure that those who come here for benefit are rejected and those who go onto benefit are repatriated to take the benefit of their own country, not ours - and the same applies to brits abroad of course... but that is a long way from saying immigrants who contribute are not welcome - that way lies folly (and jobs not done or done really badly by the locals).
the reality is that immigration, whether from within the eurozone or beyond, whilst it is an issue, is a long way from being the big issue and certainly a long way from being the big issue over the EU.
i am by nature a capitalist, not a communist. however a good look at china will reveal there are other ways to do business - it is communism in the loosest sense - it is more the way the chinese always did business long before communism was around. lets face it, democracy is not all its cracked up to be and the world's democracies simply do not have the decision power to compete with wht seems to be a very workable system in china. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 6:52:26 PM | | I totally agree, and I wish America would also follow Australia's model. Our illegal population from our south is bad enough, now we have been shipping in hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of 'refugees', and other politically correct names of populations, from third-world countries and nations from the Middle East and Africa. I'll have to double check, but I think the largest population of Somali's is no longer in Somalia. They are a drain on local economies. They have absolutely nothing to offer us. To pay taxes? We could shrink our population by 25%, and still have enough taxes to pay for everything, if it weren't for out-of-control spending. Who am I to say this? I've personally seen it, and have heard of it, personally, from some of these 'immigrants'. From what I've seen, most are welfare recipients. The one's that go to a college get ALL tuition paid for, and I get to increase my debt from having to accept government student LOANS. One man I talked to got his tuition paid, plus an additional $4,000 per month, for 'rent' and such. And this is only one person. And there are many educated, western Europeans who have been wanting and waiting to come to America for years, and they are denied, or given many hoops to jump through, who want to come here to work, and be an asset to our country. I would rather see 2 million educated Europeans, with degrees in engineering, health care, etc., come to America, than 200,000 'refugees'. At least we wouldn't be forced to accept and conform to European beliefs. Can anyone say Sharia La? Many schools have to remove the American flag, and need to remove the word God, and can no longer say the Pledge of Allegiance, all in the hopes that no one will be 'offended' by them. I'm not racist, but I think some of our policies are labeling us as racists. It's a shame, I wouldn't mind it if we became isolationalists for a few years. | |
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