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| | Will Capitalism Fail?Page 3 of 11 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11) | Hey Dame.......
You wrote:
"Cook Street Village in Victoria is doing the same, homes above stores and community gardens etc. Cook St. used to be crime capital of Victoria. It's hippyville now."
What if you don't want to live in a little apartment above a store, where you eke out a living...... what if you want to travel, to...... say Aruba, or the Adriatic, or go skiing once in a while, or have a sail boat, or a fast motorcycle.....
Not everyone wants to live in hippyville. For me personally, it would be a hellhole.................
Does that make me evil? Does that mean that I want too much? Does that mean that unless I scale back my wants and desires, I am not a good person?
What you described is very nice, but I doubt that any great percentage of the population would willingly live like that, so in order to get them to live like that, you must have a central govt. that controls all..................
Back to "Square A".
What is the population of your island?
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Posted: 5/30/2012 7:43:03 PM | @52
That is a good model, and needs to be recognized. The biggest issue I have with the failed model is the lack of recognition of who will buy this sh1t, being produced and imported, when we have high unemployment AND only minimum employment for a majority of the population.
Minimum wage jobs may make corporate profits swell, it doesn't make for a healthy consumer. So for a few years, the bean counters get there bonuses as do the executives. Then businesses start to fail. What would you do, feed and shelter your family, or buy a new sofa built in china? Or a TV? Or a car?
This of course discounts, all the other shit that is going on. First you charged 18 to 25% interest on credit cards, you were paying the Fed for less than 1%. Then when people couldn't pay, you ended up trying to get them for 79% interest on a high risk credit card. Shit, the corner loan shark was almost more fair.
Now the largest growth industry in our nation is the buzzards! They feast on the carcuses of the poor, unemployed and those in financial hardship. So the growth comes in debt restructure(which by the way damages your future credit), the collection business(which here in georgia has developed a new trick, showing up in hospitals when you are sick to harass you and in some cases have you arrested), the real estate vultures, who will try and get you into a no money down deal that benefits only them. Watch TV, see the commercials..they run as often as the old ones about mortgage companies offering you the latest zippity do dah...no down payment, a locked in payment for the first year..and you never had to worry about your credit score!
Yep...america is just fine...for the vultures! | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 8:14:02 PM | I don't want to get into picking apart every statement everyone has made one way or the other. But I do have an overall question for those who think capitalism is a bad system. Capitalism does indeed work off of greed to an extent. I'll use my profession because not only am I familiar with it, so is most everyone here from a consumers stand point.
Putting aside that I work at a dealership, for the sake of this discussion, we'll just put this in terms of me charging you. If you brought your car to me, and I was going to replace your engine and only charge $100, I'm sure you'd go for it. In fact, I'd probably have more customers than I can handle. What if I charge $500 instead? Or $5,000? While $100 might have been a good deal for you, the cost of one ratchet is $200, not including the sockets. Tools and the cost for me to have the equipment to do the job right costs money. So at $100 are you ripping me off? Is that ok? If I charge $5,000 am I ripping you off? Not if we both agree to the price. If I'm too greedy, and charging too much, I'll lose business. I charge too much, you'll take it somewhere else, learn to fix it yourself, or replace the car.
Lets put "greed" in another context....
Government gets greedy, and taxes those who produce and are willing to do tough jobs, develop great products we all enjoy and takes the profit or reward right out of it. What happens if government gets too greedy? Can a government tax it self into prosperity? What if income was taxed to the point that wasn't worth your effort to make the money in the first place? Time is money, and if taxes were hitting me in a way that even if I worked harder, I couldn't get anymore money, I wouldn't bother. I'll just stay home. Anyone here willing to work very little or nothing?
If it's just certain products or services you want to cost less, how is the best way to do it? Lately seems like the knee jerk answer is "tax it". Ok, basic math... If you have an item you want to sell, it costs you $4, you're going to sell it for $6, then you make $2 profit on the item, right? Ok, same scenario, but now we're going to throw in a tax, say 50% cause you're so greedy and it's just not fair. You have overhead, you have bills, and you have employee costs. What do you do? $4 for the item, you need to make a certain amount to stay profitable, otherwise there's no point to going to work in the first place. So we now charge $7 for said item. $4 for cost, $2 to maintain the profit (if the market will bare it) and $1 extra to cover this tax. So who paid the tax? The customer. It's either going to be that or cut back on the quality or payroll something else will have to give. No matter what though, the only thing that succeeded, was the item became more expensive in the end.
So if capitalism can fail because of greed, then so can government! | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 8:39:35 PM | I haven't read the whole thread, but I kind of doubt anyone has said that capitalism is a bad system.
However, you seem to think that government is a bad thing. You sell cars. Those cars run on roads built by the government. People don't walk in and drive cars off the lot because there are police that are provided by the government. In order to have a government, you need to have taxes. Right now, you don't pay enough taxes to provide the services needed to have things like car dealerships. That's why you're running deficits every year. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 8:49:36 PM | | lol, actually I fix cars. Government has a place, yes, that is correct. When government is used to manipulate an economy or use taxes to penalize people who have "too much", then it's a big problem. If your going to tax success, you'll have less of it. We tax smokers more and more, people smoke less and less. We tax gas more and more, people drive less and less. When we tax investments more and more, people invest less. This happens across the board. And actually, when taxes are cut, the government take is actually more... How is that? Does the government run deficits because they don't tax enough or because they spend too much? I believe the latter. What percentage of GNP do you believe the government should spend each year? | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 8:54:42 PM | Deficits exist when more money is spent then is taken in.
Please show me ONE, just ONE govt program that hasn't gotten bigger, that doesn't work on an automatic 10% increase anually, BEFORE any other increases are added in........... Yep, that is called "baseline budgeting". THAT is why we have deficits. You keep harping on how the taxes are too low......... at tax time did YOU write the check for MORE than you were told to?
If not, YOU are also a hypocrite just like all of those who want OTHERS to pay more, but they don't. Yeah, I know, buffet wrote a few checks, but nowhere near where he said others should.
As far as all of those great govt. services that you say are "provided" by the govt........ guess who pays for them.........
Like we used to say...... Pump up, then pop off.
Can you explain this..........
"Right now, you don't pay enough taxes to provide the services needed to have things like car dealerships."
HUH??? So because, according to you, taxes are too low, then car dealerships shouldn't exist? Oh, I get it...... because we don't pay enough taxes for the police and fire, then car dealerships shouldn't exist.
Are you sure you want to say that?
Really?
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Posted: 5/30/2012 9:31:00 PM | Hmmm I have some difficulty here with some of your assertions.
Do governemnts REALLY penalize "people who have "too much"", I mean please show me where the rate on those with "too much" have risen dramatically in the last 25-30 years?
Or how about "We tax gas more and more, people drive less and less", are you attributing the rise in gas prices to taxes? I would have a problem with that...have you checked the profitability of Exxon, BP, or Chevron lately? People are driving less and less, cause gas went from just below $3 a gallon to almost $5 a gallon, that WASN'T taxes!
"When we tax investments more and more, people invest less"
Here I call utter bullshit! I invest, I know many people in the business of investing. The only reason someone invests less, is because they are unsure of where the market will go. NO ONE EVER invests less because of taxes. Beyond that, there is no material transfer tax, investment taxes are 15% for long term investments. You pay close to 30%, a CEO getting paid part of his compensation in stock options pays 15%, how is that fair?
I agree government spending is out of control. But there are many places to cut spending, before you come to core services for social services. How about foreign aid? How about defense? How about the friggin salary's and pensions of the congress? | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 3:38:23 AM |
People are driving less and less, cause gas went from just below $3 a gallon to almost $5 a gallon, that WASN'T taxes!
There are a lot of factors that go into the price of a gallon of gas. We do pay about 18.4 cents per gallon of gas for federal taxes, in my state it's about 61.3 cents for state taxes (some of the highest in the country). Also any other fees or taxes applied to the production of gas and oil we pay for too, even if not directly applied at the point of sale.
NO ONE EVER invests less because of taxes.
You mean to tell me that no matter how high taxes go, you believe it has no effect on the activity your taxing?? Well then let's tax your income at 100%! I bet you stop going to work.
I agree government spending is out of control. But there are many places to cut spending, before you come to core services for social services. How about foreign aid? How about defense? How about the friggin salary's and pensions of the congress?
Sure, I'd love to see those in government across the board get their salaries cut. I'd like to see spending reflect that of the GNP, so if we have a strong economy, they can spend more, but when we're down, they should spend less, but they don't. Lets be clear though, only cutting the salaries of those elected officials in congress (even if to zero) would do little compared to what we spend now. Keep in mind, while defense spending is constitutional, most of our social services are not.
Again though, how much of our GNP should we spend each year? | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 6:09:58 AM | [
No one ever invests less because of taxes
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There's 180 or so nations in the world. Hundreds of billlions of dollars shift annualy to various markets because of many variables...including taxes. Canada and Australia have largely weathered the last 5 years rather well (maintained triple a rating) largely because both encouraged overseas capital. Stable economies (unlike Greece, Spain, etc.) do not have looming increases in taxes facing investors down the road.
I don't know if a billionaire pays 'fair' taxes in most western countries but he is much more likely to invest his billion at home rather than in China, Australia, Brazil etc. if he can get a greater return after taxes. With the exception of China, every country is less in control than ever of it's own domestic economy. Political borders do not stop money flow. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 9:23:22 AM | "Well then let's tax your income at 100%!"
Well now that is silly, and a straw man! No one I have ever heard, from any country has proposed 100% tax. I already said, which you chose to ignore, the current tax rate on long term investments is 15%, that is far from 100%.
Back to gasoline, while most states have some form of tax on gasoline, they are supposed to use that for road repair. The majority in the jump in gas prices reflect the change is price per barrel of oil from$70 to over $100.
"Again though, how much of our GNP should we spend each year?"
This too depends on the economic model you use, and where the economy is in it's cycle.
If government was reliable(doesn't matter which party was in power), then you would have a surplus coming out of boom years, going into lean ones, to make up for shortfalls in income tax. Our congress spends like drunken sailors, no matter who is in power.
Under the current thinking being employed by either group, you either believe in the idea that with depressions or deep recssions, the government is the spender of last resort to restart the economy, since they are the only entity spending. OR you believe in the cut taxes and the businesses and wealthier folks will begin to spend and increase economic growth.
We have just left 8 years of the latter, didn't promote growth that I saw. Corporations STILL cut wages, sent jobs overseas. The rich don't spend excess, they invest it. Not all investment spurs economic growth. Today Walmart is trading at a 12 year high, 70+% of their products are produced in China, how does that help spur economic growth in the USA, when they invest there?
I know many of you want to reduce economics to 1+1=2, it just doesn't work that way. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 10:33:27 AM | Oyvat..I agree with much of your post..but as for:
70+% of their products are produced in China, how does that help spur economic growth in the USA, when they invest there?
Actually a lot. It improves efficiencies. A country like Canada sells materials to China . this generates capital. The USA sells food, military and civilian airplanes, technology, etc to Canada. Australia sells iron ore and coal to China...gets capital...and imports machnery, pharmaceuticals, satelite time, etc. from the USA.
The USA (and nearly all western countries) have HIGHER per capita exports than China does
Also, a family in Ohio can buy their 3 kids sneakers at Walmart for $20 each instead of the $50 if made in the USA...they have saved $90 total and can then use this savings to go to an American-made movie and to eat eat American-grown food at Mcdonalds.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:01:26 AM | @64, actually your post addresses the "world" economy and not the "USA" economy.
While I understand your points, and they are valid, in the context of the international trade, the current problem in the USA is a dearth of manufacturing jobs in our country. We lost close to 4 million jobs, sent overseas, by american manufacturers to take advantage of several things. First no benefits associated with overseas employees, next cost in some places is $7 a day instead of $9 an hour. This has a big impact on our current unemployment rate.
So in your last statement, that family in ohio, has the best breadwinner, unemployed, since the factory closed. Mom probably took a job at MikceyD's which doesn't fully support their bills. So they end up with no sneakers, not cheap ones.
As for: "eat American-grown food at Mcdonalds" ahhh close but no cigar, while they buy almost all of their chicken here in the USA, they get their beef from growers ALL over the world.
Our balance of payments, related to imports has not been in the USA favor for over 25 years. So we send more money out overseas, than we take in. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:06:40 AM | my city, was ruined, by the hyper stores
we had a downtown, with commerce
local people had great buisiness's, a consumer was king!now you shop, at any of the huge stores, and your lucky, if you do find someone to answer a question, and if you do you get attitude!
now really, every department store, book store, and others, have closed down
they could not keep there prices low enough
why where they better then these monster stores
for one you were treated really well
they had real employees, jobs that could support famillies, who paid real taxes,buy homes, pay for there kids education
the giant retail stores, take the money out of your local area,they hardly have any full time employees
they don't give a s.it about the customer, where are you going to go......
insted of state owned stores, we now have corporate owned stores
is that true capitalism! | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:17:30 AM | Hey want.......
You ranted about the "hyper stores" killing local small business, and then listed why the small stores were better.
Well, if the really were better, they would still be in business.
Then you asked:
"is that true capitalism! "
Answer: NO, that has nothing to do with capitalism, what you saw was the MARKET in action.
You also wrote:
"insted of state owned stores, we now have corporate owned stores"
State owned stores? And that is different from corporate owned stores how? These cannot be the local owned business that you talked about.......... I really am confused. Are the local owned stores the victums, or are the state owned stores the victums? If it is the state owned store, all the state has to do is outlaw the hyper stores.......
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:26:14 AM | paul
I have seen east block countries
yes they did have stores, and everything in them was centrally ordered, shiped and so on
people had much less variety
so the choise was limited
this is exactly what is going on now with corporate owned reatail, you are nothing, what you want does not count, they make up your mind as to what you need!
look, if you love corporations and what they are doing to society
thats great!
you have that choice... ok
but I have my views, and hell yes I miss being treated well, for my money! | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 12:46:42 PM | I don't know if all cities were ruined, though the trend toward walmart has had an impact on local economies.
Walmart pays a lower wage than local stores, they also work their employees in a way, that avoids them qualifying them for benefits, since they require only full time employees be given benefits. Local stores get driven out by the big box stores ability to buy in bulk, and offer lower prices, based upon their buying power. You also lose a number of people being employed in that region.
They plant a walmart between 3 towns, employ 80 people part time. You may lose 40 employees in each of those 3 towns, by the closing of stores that can't compete. That means net down 40 jobs for the region. Further small business owners recognize and employ people for longer periods, at better wages, and with benefits, since the owner wants benefits as well.
There are any number of articles on this on google. Now turn this around, and if walmart buys 70% of it's products overseas, how many manufatcuring jobs are lost, factories closed. So a Walmart located centrally with the state of Ohio let's say, between 3 small towns.
That one store, lowers regional wages, reduces employment for the region by a 1/3 of retail jobs. Then factories closed in the region because walmart pushes for the lowest possible price to be paid for the goods it sells. So a factory or 2, could(and does) close. THEN...the profits from that store, revert to the corporate HQ in Arkansas, rather than be distributed by that local business, that was owned by a member of the commuity, supported local events(little league, local taxes, etc.)
Something else going unrecognized in this thread, in the internet. There has been a 6 or 7% rise each year in sales over the net. Amazon, ebay and any number of other sources, have reduced and impacted local economies. First without the need of local bricks and mortar for their footprint, there are ZERO jobs in your region. Next they impact ALL OF YOU, because since most sellers, resellers are out of state, no local sales tax is paid, reducing govenrment coffers.
Now some of this is the marketplace in action. Free markets have gone the way of progress, lowering the needs of labor, much of the shipping aspect is handled by robotics, so a further erosion.
Is it right? Well that's the problem and has been for over 40 years. Everyone loves a bargain, a good deal.
Years ago the AGWLU, a union for garments started a campaign to "always look for the union label"...of course it was lost on sally or jane, who would rather pay 14.99 for a cheap import than 29.99 for an american made good. Of course lost on them was hubby tom's job would be lost to an overseas manufacturing plant! So now they enjoy hamburger helper, withOUT the hamburger!
In decades past, there was always a new product on the horizon, so the jobs lost on discontinued items, or jobs shipped overseas, was lost in the activity of a new manufacturing start up.
BUT NOW, let's look at the latest hot item the Iphone, Ipad, Iwhatever...those jobs didn't even start here, even though the product was designed here, owned by a US company, and sold mostly here. Those jobs just went from drawing board to china..with no stops in between.
Again I ask is it right?
Well sorry I don't have an answer! I think there are some moral issues here. Such as taking care of home first. But that is something I cannot assert alone. If you don't like where things are headed, in the corporate world speak up!
See unlike all of you, who are dishonest in pleading your cases. I am as honest as I can be. I am an opportunist or in the venacular..a capitalist. That means I invest my money looking for the best return, which allows me to live a great life. So while progress marches on I merely look for opportunities in trends. So when Redbox and Netflix started to eat Blockbusters lunch, becuase the 2 former didn't have that added bricks and mortar costs, nor the same amount of employees, I shorted blockbuster and bought netflix! When apple found the better biscuit with the Iwhatever..I bought apple.
Now that isn't a good answer for all. Since many of you lack the funds to do the same, or the expertise to see the trends.
I tried to post this without the normal hoopla, and obviously I have an opinion, that will differ widely from most of you. What it comes down to is this. A few can't make all the money, or the many can't afford to live. Now how you solve that is whats up for debate. But guess what? If there are 300 million here in america, and let's say 15 million live great, and 315 million don't...how long before someone wakes up and says, "I ain't gonna take this shit no more!"
Clearly in the last page or so, what all of you glossed over was a fairer version of capitalism where management and labor value each other. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 1:04:27 PM | | ^^^and by all means living a great life only comes from having a boat load of money. The ones that have more than you are having a greater life and the Democrats will be the enlightening ones to point this out to you end exploit you for it for the last 50 years and the next 50. Why? Because that's all they got. Well that and calling you a racist if you don't agree with 100% of what a black president says. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 1:40:58 PM | | Bear in mind too, that some Wal-Mart workers make low enough wages to qualify for food stamps and state Medicaid progams, they in effect maybe subsidized by taxpayers. To be fair, they aren't the only ones, I've heard of even airline pilots that make low enough wages to qualify. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 2:03:53 PM | "and by all means living a great life only comes from having a boat load of money"
You said that I didn't! I said "which allows me to live a great life"...you have no idea what my life entails, you may find it boring, or want something entirely different. My start in life was very poor, I will admit to, wanting a secure(financially) existence.
Then again, I have known many who simply thought "a great life" was having a house, a family and a good paying job(factory type wages). Yeah they'd like a new car every 8 years or so, a vacation once in while. To be able to help their kids start life off right(college?).
That's a far cry either in their case OR for that matter mine. From making 6 or 16 million a year!
That's one of the major issues I have with republicans! Trying to pass an agenda, which benefits ONLY the rich and well to do, while promising the average citizen "yes this can all be yours, when you get rich" or "now you will have the oppotunity to get rich" is horseshit!
Your average person with a high school diploma, or a 2 year degree, will never find themselves in the boardroom. Maybe 1 or 2 will, but they are the exceptions to the rule, NOT the rule. Telling the boxboy at walmart, someday you could run this company only happens in the movies and fairytales!
That's just the way it is..if you are honest, you will admit that.
As for the democrats wanting to help the unemployed, or the poor, instead of contributing to the furtheance of corporate greed...I can go along with that!
As for the "racist" bit, please don't try and tell me you believe that fairy tale either that racism is dead. Maybe you need to come visit here in atlanta and keep your ears open in clubs, bars and various venues to hear what some people say, when they believe it is only "their kind" listening! No not everything is about race with Obama, but there is an undercurrent of lack of curtesy, when it comes to him, whether based in race or whatever causes it in other peoples reaction to him. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 2:44:41 PM | paul
i made the comparison between the old east block, and the new corporate capitalism, because they are very close to each other
in communism very few people made the disigion, on what people needed
now its the corporations
in a true capitalist society, its the consumer that runs the show
you said, if you don't find something in store 'a' you just go to store 'b'
what happens if both stores are selling the same junk?
because that IS what is happening
look, 10 year ago, I went to a book store, I wanted a certain book by t., my friend, seached the world for that book
chapters came to town,at first they were very service orrientated, had comfy couches, coffee, and people working on the floor,there books were cheaper
my favorite book store closed
chapters, no longer has nice couches, or less expensive books | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 3:32:19 PM | what happens if both stores are selling the same junk?
You have government that’s what! Not that it matters to people... Only that they think they are doing good by helping the invisible helpless by taking billions of dollars like its monopoly money and pooling it to niches that may or may not address anything intended in any meaningful way.
Wal-Mart’s, Costco's, Big Box stores, and mega corporations are good for prices and hurt small business that can't compete with the national volume so everyone and their mother has the same cheap goods now. All you’re asking for is the same for all of life. Everyone gets the same cheap goods because someone said someone else was helpless.
I totally understand the stance of anti-competitiveness and being against super mega corporations. I do not understand the mindset of leftism that advocates equality of life. It is idiotic and cannot and will not ever work and is a total lie that is meant to make people choose to live under authoritarian rule. It is religion without God. You are bad if you have a belief in an authority other than government. Leftism is bad. Those that follow it are just misled. Just look at the image projected by those against this form of population control. “You are bad if you are fat. You are bad if you are greedy.” If you do not agree you are a bad person. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 3:37:17 PM | paul you really do not have a clue, about the east block
sorry but you do not
and good for you you love the world, and think its all great!!!!
you see what you are told to see, believe what you are told to believe
must be nice to be so very 'simple'
and live in such a 'simple' world
I meen you do not have to worry about anything!
love the world you are leaving for your children
iIbet you even still believe there are womd's in irak lol
well, I am sorry, I want better!
for my son
and everyone
and the 21 century should be what we the people make it
I agree, the left has been tried, and turned out to be a terrible failure
and I also agree, it is just not natural, and would never work | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 3:39:45 PM |
well, I am sorry, I want better!
for my son
and everyone
and the 21 century should be what we the people make it
Does that mean that you will do anything as long as it isn't what is being done now just because you want anything other than what exists now? | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 8:23:18 PM | "I agree, the left has been tried, and turned out to be a terrible failure and I also agree, it is just not natural, and would never work"
Hmmmm...interesting, guess you never played chess!
Chess is a game of war. It's a design of a sophisticated game of attrition. That is the essence of the battle between the right and the left. I will be the first to admit, the left plays the game poorly. The right on the other hand plays with skill and cunning. They understand the concept of baby steps, as opposed to sweeping moves, designed to change the equation.
That is why when the left proposes something to affect change, the right waters it down with loopholes, amendments and then when it fails they say "ok we tried it, it didn't work now lets do it our way". They want to create a ruling class comprised of the rich, the politicians and the corporations.
That is what has happened over the last 25 years that effected the largest wealth transfer in history, all to the rich taken from the middle class, in lost or lowered wages and jobs.
There are efforts the left starts, that don't have to be failed tries, they could be amended, changed and made effective. Is that social engineering? Yep...it is. BUT social engineering has been going on for centuries, from the Magna Carta on. It is about freedom, about the right to work and earn a living wage, not the right of a few to make most of the money from a concerted effort of labor and management.
That's just something for you to think about. Now while the others will come back and lecture you on the evils of what I said, how it is socialist or communist, or whatever ist they come up with. I'm sorry, but the idea of one part of the population living off the other just seems wrong. They will tell you about the slackers, the lazy. What they NEVER address is all those who just want a freakin job, to earn a living wage, to lead what they consider a normal life, no jets, no 100' sailboats, no private islands, no 10 million dollar parachutes for fukin up some company, no 6 million a year job for being president of a company you put no money into, own no piece of(to start with). | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 8:57:01 PM | Huh?
Nafta was negotiated by Reagan's administration. There was that whole duet he and Mulroney sang on stage.
You don't have any leftists in America. At least not in positions of influence. Obama got 75% of his money from small donors in the last election.
There's so much in that post that doesn't make any sense. It just makes up stuff and ignores actual facts. | |
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