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| | Another' hand out' to the USAPage 2 of 3 (1, 2, 3) |
your comment is meant only to insult and/or provoke other posters.
This is the part that is really bugging me. You call out Paul K for provocation, but the OP is just fine. No provocative there.
SUBJECT TITLE: Another' hand out' to the USA
FIRST LINE OF OP: More "charity" from Canadian tax payers to the USA
Just seems a bit hypocritical to me. I think the ENTIRE intent of this thread is to insult and/or provoke other posters. (Specifically American ones.) Otherwise, he could have chosen his words to evoke an entirely different type of discussion. | |
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/17/2012 11:27:06 AM | Americans, do not seem to want to understand, that they cost there allies a lot of money, that in fact the USA has been able to keep its super power position, only because the rest of the world is paying for it
nothing against American people, but the government is out of control, as is its financial system
americans on main street, did not pay for the bail outs,we, the rest of the world is paying
you vote for anyone who say no new taxes, but the borrowing goes on and on
well, to keep such a great power on global welfare, is ruin other countries economies
The Euro, for instance is ONLY in trouble, because of wall street
do you people realize, that the American banks that are too big to fail
are once again under capitalized to the tune of half a trillion dollars!
once again, the world will have to give the USA charity, to survive
the only problem is, soon we all will be broke
time for america, to pay its own way, regulate the criminals on wall street
and wake up!
The usa, can't expect to be saved forever,even hand out stop one day! | |
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/17/2012 12:27:29 PM |
Just seems a bit hypocritical to me. I think the ENTIRE intent of this thread is to insult and/or provoke other posters. (Specifically American ones.) Otherwise, he could have chosen his words to evoke an entirely different type of discussion.
It's news in this country, and we're all a bit pissed off about it. The private owners of the current bridge have been spending lots of money to make sure another one isn't built. Mostly through heavy bribing of Michigan legislators. So Canadian taxpayers have to pony up to pay for something that is necessary. Canada and the US have traditionally been the two largest trading partners in the world; all through the 20th century and right into the 21st (only recently surpassed by China); our trade relationship has been characterized thusly, "We don't trade with one another. We build things together."; 13% of all Canada-US trade goes through this corridor; this is where the "building things together" paradigm is most in play - Southern Ontario and the midwest.
The story is one of America being hijacked by special interests which hurts the economy of both countries. And of Canada having to step up because of that. The story is one that sheds a bad light on America. The guy who posted lies about Canada's healthcare was just trying to troll this with bullshit. I've lived here for 50 years and the only person I know who went south for medical care went there because she sought flaky, ineffective cancer treatments that are illegal in this country. So she died. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:57:45 PM | I read an article about this in yesterdays local paper [Toledo Blade]. It said that Canada will pay Michigans 550 million construction costs. In return, Canada will collect the tolls on bridge usage. Good deal? Fair? I don't know.
What happens if the owner of the existing Ambassador Bridge keeps tolls consistently lower than the new bridge? Could take a while for Canada to recoup that 550 mill... | |
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/17/2012 1:36:34 PM |
The guy who posted lies about Canada's healthcare was just trying to troll this with bullshit.
Are you referring to the Canadian from Ontario when you said that? His quote from Msg. 13:
Well, the sad truth is that, in many places in Canada, we no longer have good, or even adequate health care
here in Windsor,because of massive cuts,
but the rest of the Ontario is hurting
and yes, a lot of people go over the border!I know I would
What IS the big deal if a few Canadians go the the US for healthcare. Why does that fact get your panties in such a twist? BIG fvcking deal. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 2:00:23 PM | The point is that a 'few' Canadians go to the US for healthcare, not enough for Canadian taxpayers to foot the bill for an entire bridge, nor is the bridge being built so Canadians can go to the US for healthcare.
Nobody's panties seem to be in a twist but yours, so do you have anything to say about the bridge, or do you just want to swear and be ignorant? | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 3:05:57 PM | My bad. It's just that I've never encountered such a large group of disingenuous hypocrites in one place before.
The disdain you Canadians exhibit towards us (individually) is overwhelming at times. I understand you and the rest of world despise most of the decisions our government makes. But that doesn't excuse the personal insults and contempt you disperse. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 4:16:45 PM | I never once wrote a personal insult, so you are the disingenuous one. Furthermore, you have not made one point explaining why Canadians should foot the bill for the entire bridge. Do you even have any knowledge of the bridge that is going to be built, or did you just hop on this thread to show your disdain of Canadians?
You are the one resorting to personal insults and vulgar language.
Can you please talk about the bridge? Is that too much to ask? | |
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/17/2012 6:20:51 PM | Funny- With all due respects to my fellow Canadians, as soon as I saw the thread title, I knew there was going to be a lot of cross border bickering (again)-its just spoilin for an argument. The issues with the construction of the bridge are a little complex but it should benefit both Canadian and American business. This isn't just a handout.
This is actually a story of cooperation between the Michigan, Ontario and both Federal governments to get this done. It was being obstructed by an American businessman, the one that owns the Ambassador Bridge. The use of Canadian money to front the costs is a way around political and legal interference from that owner.
See the story here
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1212242--canada-michigan-bridge-over-gridlocked-border-rightly-bypasses-litigious-billionaire-olive
In part it is also a story about the dangers of private ownership of important infrastructure. The general public can be held hostage to it. Here in Canada, we had a similar issue with Highway 407. The province sold the road to private interests, giving them an iron clad 99 years agreement. Now they can charge whatever they want, run the highway however they want and there's little the province can do about it. The 407 is a cash cow, just as the Ambassador bridge is now. With the new bridge, the Canadian government can collect the tolls to pay for it and help keep business flowing across the border with our biggest trading partner. | |
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/18/2012 1:14:32 PM | try and read what the Michigan papers have to say about this project, the Star is pro Harper
it just is not popular with Americans, not at this time
both, the bridge, and rail tunnel, was built by private enterprise,both are still working wonderfully,nearly a century later!
nobody is saying, that no new bridge should be built,but it should not just be yet another hand out, by tax payers on the Canadian side, at least American's, have a say, in what their tax money should be spent on!
If no one has noticed, manufacturing, in both countries has been in rapid decline, over the past 30 or so years!
The Canadian government, gave GM a bail out, in thanks, they pulled out of Oshawa!
all kind of manufacturing jobs, are just simply moving overseas......
private enterprise should foot the bill, not tax payers!
the government, cant run even the most simple business,and turn a profit, this bridge, will never, pay for itself!
In Windsor we had a casino built,by the government,it was a disaster, until, Ceasars was hired to run it
and American's don't take it personally, it is not the people, the citizens of the United states that the whole world is having a major problem with
it is the government that is now, bought and payed for by wall street! | |
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/18/2012 1:45:50 PM |
try and read what the Michigan papers have to say about this project, the Star is pro Harper
it just is not popular with Americans, not at this time
both, the bridge, and rail tunnel, was built by private enterprise,both are still working wonderfully,nearly a century later!
nobody is saying, that no new bridge should be built,but it should not just be yet another hand out, by tax payers on the Canadian side, at least American's, have a say, in what their tax money should be spent on!
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1212242--canada-michigan-bridge-over-gridlocked-border-rightly-bypasses-litigious-billionaire-olive
In a highly unusual move Friday, Canada and Michigan finally stood up to the litigious billionaire who owns the Ambassador Bridge – the busiest border crossing between the world’s biggest trading partners. They declared they will soon break ground on a second, state-of-the-art span across the Detroit River that will break the 30-year monopoly of the only privately owned major bridge on the continent.
Delays at the 82-year-old Ambassador have been known to cost U.S. plants that had to shut down for a sudden lack of Canadian components some $1.5 million an hour. Bill Ford, chairman of Ford Motor Co., cites this drag on efficiency in joining 139 businesses, industrial groups and unions across the entire Wolverine State that have urged an immediate start on a new bridge.
Maroun spent a day in prison in January for defying a court order to comply with an agreement by which he accepted taxpayer funds to streamline the Ambassador’s access roads and toll plazas. Instead, Maroun used the public funds to further impede traffic with labyrinthine roadways that oblige the 8,000 trucks and 68,000 travelers that use the Ambassador each day to pass by his duty free shops and gas pumps. The gasoline is only a few pennies cheaper for motorists, but duty-free gas is largely exempt from excise taxes and Maroun rakes off the difference as effortless profit.
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/19/2012 7:02:20 PM | QueenBee Sweetness, Amen Sista
The United States of America has given and given and given until now we are dead broke and cannot give to our own. That isn't the only reason we can't give to our own and our country really isn't broke, but it is sucking so much from it's own citizens that for all intents and purposes we are broke.
I cannot even imagine what want_to_travel's purpose and complaint here is. SO WHAT? Apparently whomever is funding the bridge doesn't feel like it is a handout. No matter what, I am sure Detroit isn't getting anything free and clear. If this bridge needs to be built so badly for Canadians to get over to Detroit, my question is why? Not that I mind you coming over, come all you want, but sounds like Canadians must be getting a great deal out of crossing over to Detroit/Michigan/USA
Above and beyond all of that, what the hell do you mean ANOTHER hand out to the US? The US does all of the handing out and has never taken a hand out. I am sick of supporting the world.
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/19/2012 7:14:54 PM |
The United States of America has given and given and given until now we are dead broke and cannot give to our own. That isn't the only reason we can't give to our own and our country really isn't broke, but it is sucking so much from it's own citizens that for all intents and purposes we are broke.
Ummm, no. Aside from some charity for catastrophies, which often is often exceeded by other countries, the US does not undertake "giving" unless it is in it's financial interest to do so. Not much giving comes without strings attached.
P.S. Not to be confused with individual charity...which has indeed been growing. | |
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/19/2012 8:09:18 PM |
The United States of America has given and given and given until now we are dead broke and cannot give to our own. That isn't the only reason we can't give to our own and our country really isn't broke, but it is sucking so much from it's own citizens that for all intents and purposes we are broke.
There is one group of citizens that are doing quote well and in fact have never had it better.
You think maybe those two things would somehow be related?
You know the whole running out of money the same time someone though it was a good idea to bring less in? | |
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/19/2012 8:28:15 PM |
If this bridge needs to be built so badly for Canadians to get over to Detroit, my question is why? Not that I mind you coming over, come all you want, but sounds like Canadians must be getting a great deal out of crossing over to Detroit/Michigan/USA
seriously?
CVMA President Mark Nantais stated: "We have long supported additional international infrastructure capacity in the Windsor-Detroit gateway because it is a critical trade corridor that supports automotive manufacturing and jobs in both Canada and the United States."
AAPC President Matt Blunt added that "The scale of trade in automotive products between the United States and Canada is unequalled anywhere else in the world and the seamless nature of the auto manufacturing industry that straddles our border, requires the necessary infrastructure that this bridge represents."
With the highly integrated automotive industry between Canada and the United States, automotive trade is worth roughly $100 Billion annually, with the majority of production parts and finished vehicles flowing through the Windsor-Detroit gateway.
furthermore;
Chrysler's "Imported from Detroit" campaign started in February with a two-minute Super Bowl ad featuring Detroit-born rapper Eminem driving through the city in a Chrysler 200, which is assembled in Detroit. "When it comes to luxury, it's as much about where it's from, as who it's for," says a deep-voiced narrator.
The chrysler 300 is made in Brampton Ontario.
You are correct, in saying the US "has never taken a hand out" rather you just ..take. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:18:19 AM | | It's embarrasing to see how eager some Canadians are to bash the United States of America. I think Canada is lucky to have such a good neighbour. We often travel to the United States and I can't say I've ever met a kinder, more polite group of people. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 12:04:07 PM |
It's embarrasing to see how eager some Canadians are to bash the United States of America.
indications by demonstration of hyperbole laced hubris ( msg's 6,25,39) is embarrassing? odd
I think Canada is lucky to have such a good neighbour. We often travel to the United States and I can't say I've ever met a kinder, more polite group of people.
..better the devil you know | |
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/20/2012 4:22:46 PM | LOL on the health care thing,yes there are SOME Cdns. who go south for it (would hardly make any significant bridge traffic) ---- >
what few people know is that many Americans who live in border cities come to Canada for medical care & procedures, especially those not covered by insurance who are paying out of their own pockets..since the costs are typically about 1/2 what they are in the USA (have inside knowledge of this)
rarely mentioned by the spin doctors as those with vested interests in keeping the current US system have deep pockets for PR & publicity, spend many $$ Millions annually pimping..errr. I mean "promoting" the current system.
the US can no longer pretend to be a democratic country (influenced by "the people") , it is run by the thousands of lobbyists in Washington DC & state Capitols ..
money buys everything, Manny Maroun, owner of the current Windsor-Detroit Ambassador Bridge, doesn't want competition and is spreading $$ millions to Michigan legislators to ensure it stays that way It is a government of big business, for big business, and by lawyers , lobbyists & PR firms
then the USA has the balls to suggest that other countries around the world should 'embrace democracy"? rule of the almighty $ is more like it
The "Tea Party" doesn't want 'less government'-- they wan the same amount, just gov't to choose different groups to 'win' or 'lose' by gov't intervention & control..in other words they want Big Gov't to benefit THEIR special interests.
Canada is not much better but not 'quite' as pimped out as the US situation
^^^ LOLOLOL Paul, you are so right, so right!
Bravo
SS
interesting choice of initials, SS once had a very sinister meaning --but as long as the "right" people 'win', any amount of gov't intervention & control is OK , right? | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 4:39:57 PM | | ^^^So are you saying Americans have been hypocrites for encouraging other countries in the world to become a democracy? | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 6:08:58 PM |
Was your question serious, or were you just looking for a reason to write something?
I thought I've been hearing things for years....so I had actually go check. I guess Ronald Reagan never got your memo.
Or maybe he was just too feeble by the time he said this.
"Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man. " | |
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/20/2012 6:46:23 PM | OutofControlMan, your statement...
but as long as the "right" people 'win', any amount of gov't intervention & control is OK , right? makes not sense to me. Where is that coming from, as far as addressing me? Did you just decide to pick me out of the blue to hurl your opinion onto me, something I never said, just because I agreed the US has never been a democracy? I guess so.
My personal opinion is that government needs to be so small that you need a magnifying glass to find it and you should find it right where it should always be, and nowhere else.
I agree with you about the Tea Party, but don't let that make you feel all warm and fuzzy, because there is probably nothing else we are going to agree on.
As well, I have been knowing that one day someone would make that reference to my initials. It took 5 years, but you just won the prestige of being that person.
ThinkinCA,
I have to totally agree with Paul's quote. It is easily understood and it would take a leap to twist it, but deer manage.
Uh, thinking............
We have been encouraging other countries to adapt a "democratic form of government"..............
That can take many forms, including a representative republic, such as the USA, or a parlimentary republic, or a............ many different forms....... get it?
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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:46:37 PM | ^^^Well, of course your would. Doesn't make you right no matter how much you agree with him. I think it's Paul who doesn't understand that there is no difference between democracy and democratic form of government.
Definition of democracy:
noun, plural de·moc·ra·cies.
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.
3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.
5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.
Say what I will about Ronald Reagan, he knew exactly what he was pushing on the rest of the world.
v v v Hey Paul....
They are both democratic forms of government.....
Hahaha,,..
Cultural Dictionary
republic definition
A form of government in which power is explicitly vested in the people, who in turn exercise their power through elected representatives. Today, the terms republic and democracy are virtually interchangeable, but historically the two differed. Democracy implied direct rule by the people, all of whom were equal, whereas republic implied a system of government in which the will of the people was mediated by representatives, who might be wiser and better educated than the average person. In the early American republic, for example, the requirement that voters own property and the establishment of institutions such as the Electoral College were intended to cushion the government from the direct expression of the popular will.
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/23/2012 1:10:48 AM | Well I will tell you
Bridge, by government Bad Idea
Canadians, are not asked, nor do they have any right too
Michigan is challenging, the whole thing, they are demanding a vote, on the whole thing in november!!! | |
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| Another' hand out' to the USA
Posted: 6/27/2012 7:06:37 AM | At least Canadians know how to build good roads(bridges)!!!
I grew up in a 'Border City', and every time the family drove over The Peace Bridge....
we always knew _The Second_ we entered Canada....into Ft. Erie...
The road was as Smooth as Silk..!!!
...as opposed to the Air Force Bombing Range on the Buffalo side!!!
^5 to all my Canuck friends.....
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