| No Soul?
Posted: 7/29/2005 1:16:20 PM | | LOL! I'm not talking about what others think of you, but what you might feel about yourself. Sexy girls don't always feel sexy!!! Ugly girls feel sexy at times too! LOL! I don't get what you're talking about or how that relates to the soul. | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/29/2005 2:38:53 PM | I have no soul. 
< insert evil laugh here > | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/29/2005 8:48:34 PM |
Yes, that's a conscious choice I made - to reject insanity. If I *am* insane, then I guess it hardly matters what I believe. So I also believe that I am not insane, which is really just a practical shorthand for saying that I accept the limits of my own abilities to think and sense, and choose to work within them rather than trying to do something which is impossible.
LMAO, I'm not sure the relevance of that statement, but I like it alot. | |
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Msg: 29 | |
| No Soul?
Posted: 7/29/2005 9:27:16 PM | | If life is 'good' and 'evil' the the 'spirit' would be the difference between. | |
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| No Aura?
Posted: 7/30/2005 7:19:03 PM |
the 'soul' can be found in the aura
Modine, you seem to take it for granted that there is such a thing as "the aura". Would you mind saying a few words about just what you mean by "the aura" ? | |
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Msg: 31 | |
| No Aura?
Posted: 7/31/2005 2:13:30 AM | | The aura is a proven concept, it is the energy that surounds the body (not just heat energy either) it can be measured scientificly. | |
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| No Aura?
Posted: 7/31/2005 4:53:47 AM | the aura is not scientific at all..
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The soul is not some immaterial substance either.
In fact the soul is you! You are a soul, I am a soul.
Other than the testimony we have in the holy scriptures;
this can be best illustrated in the well known & critically, useful acronym S.O.S.
Save Our Soul(s)!!! If soul meant an unseen, immortal essence inside of us then what need is there for souls to be physically saved? But if we ARE a soul (ie. our physical body is actually what makes up a soul) then it makes sense to write S.O.S. on the sand when we are ship wrecked on a deserted island, for example.
It may seem a triviality to many that I make these points, but to me it is among the great misunderstood mysteries of life.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
 oh & angels don't have wings either! Spirit beings do not need wings to fly!
The hebrew word sometimes translated wings in the bible is the same word used for arms or a flap of garment. And the description of the sizes given are proportional to those of arms and not wings. | |
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| No Aura?
Posted: 7/31/2005 5:29:42 AM | | He didnt say it was scientific from what I read, he said it could be measured scientificly. | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/31/2005 6:19:13 AM | Neokink,
Have you ever had someone walk up to you, and for no reason, you don't like them? The hairs on your arms stand up, you back up from them because they have *invaded your personal space*
That space is defined by your aura, the energy that your body puts out that surrounds you and warns you of danger. Depending on your state of mind your arua can extend a long ways from your body. It can be photographed and seen in the colors that display how you feel internally.
It is something that is very definately there.
Oh and BTW, quoting the bible is not proof, as someone else said, it comes under the heading of *someone told me* | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/31/2005 7:53:17 AM | funnylady & enchantress, I never said I don't believe in an aura.. just that it is not a scientifically proven anything.. If those "photographs" do as you say (funnylady) it could be easily proven scientifically, but it is not.
As for the idea that your aura creates the effect of knowing when someone invades your personal space, that is bogus..
By that logic, are you therefore suggesting that country folk have a much larger aura than city folk? (Most know about the personal space effect/difference between urban & rural dwelling people) No, these things are conditioned responses, they are not 'aura responses' if u will. Although I have no doubt that we emit various energies.. (our bodies emit lots of heat & are electrically charged and who knows what else) I do not believe that these are necessarily the aura that new agers make them out to be. And your hypothesis is a classic example.
Oh & BTW, I didn't state anywhere in my post that I had 'proof' of anything.. As one does on a forum about religion I'm posting my beliefs. You can take it or leave it. But hopefully there are a few people on here with faith in the Almighty God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob who will agree with what I believe to be the plain truth. | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/31/2005 7:56:12 AM | Astral travel, aura readings, all these interesting things have been studied and refuted several times. In psychological studies, psychics have refused to participate because they knew they would be exposed for the frauds they are.
There is more to us than meets the eye, but I contend that what we perceive as supernatural is in fact natural, we just don't have the information in yet.
Astral travel...someone tried that with me once...bombed big time! | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/31/2005 8:12:46 AM |
Astral travel is sure proof that a soul exists.
Sirravenlot, you have said that you can travel astrally. There's an easy way for you to prove that. Astrally travel to my apartment. Go into my bedroom. On your left there will be a bookcase. Name any book that is on the top shelf. This should be a trivial task. If you can do this I will believe in the soul and astral travel. If you can't, or won't, then I'll know it's all bunk. | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/31/2005 8:33:50 AM | | Count, it's been done...it was relegated as nonsense. | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/31/2005 8:38:42 AM | | ^^^ I know that and you know that but no one else seems to care. Well if there really is astral travel can I be the first one to have astral sex with you? | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/31/2005 9:21:45 AM | Hmmmm....NOw if one could DO the nasty Astrally, there'd be no such thing as LDR's!!!
Actually I've read from those who have tried it,it can be done,though for the male orgasm is not possible.
If you want scientific proof that the soul exists consider this:Newton's third law of matter and energy states that nothing is created nor is it destroyed.So whatever the soul is(we know something that animates us and gives us personality exists,be it something unique or mere biochemical energy),it always existed and will always exist in some form or another. | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/31/2005 9:27:06 AM | | LOL! Count you're on baby...do me! | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 9:30:26 AM | Count, it's been done...it was relegated as nonsense
When was astral travel proven to be nonsense?I read a book on it once and tried some of the exercises,which were pretty much the same techniques of breathing and visualization used in such disciplines as meditation and self hypnosis,it did nothing for me.But I passed along the book to a friend who suffered MS as I figured if anyone would benefit from a trip outside the body,it would be him.About a week or so later he came back to me and told me that he had tried the exercises and that he wasn't sure if he had actually astral travelled or if he dreamed the experience.He said he had gone to the barber that evening and had gone home and attempted to astral travel.He said that he had left his body and as he sat in a chair he floated around his body and saw that the haircut he had just had wasn't done too well,that the barber had not gotten the back even.He then asked me to have a look at the back of his head and confirm it.Sure enough,the barber had botched it.I had known this guy for several years and knew him to be a very educated,logical thinking guy who didn't BS. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 9:36:28 AM | | Good to see he's using this incredible power for something useful. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 10:02:07 AM | LOL i'm sorry but that was funny as hell!
Ummm well I have a strange tale but I won't share it...but I really don't believe in astral travel...but yes you can induce a sense of being "out of one's body" with meditation and the power of the mind.
The brain is a very amazing thing. | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/31/2005 10:15:27 AM |
but yes you can induce a sense of being "out of one's body" with meditation and the power of the mind.
You can also do it with magnetic fields applied to the brain. | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 7/31/2005 3:40:07 PM |
If you want scientific proof that the soul exists consider this:Newton's third law of matter and energy states that nothing is created nor is it destroyed.So whatever the soul is(we know something that animates us and gives us personality exists,be it something unique or mere biochemical energy),it always existed and will always exist in some form or another.
That's proof of the spirit, not the soul. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 6:24:32 PM | | Okay anyways it seems that the bottomline remains there is absolutley no credible evidence for a soul, spirit, or whatever airy fairy name we give it. As such when we die we simply fade to black so to speak, nothingness, existence terminated for all eternity. The only realistic concept I can think of that would come close to life after death is through the passing of ones genetic code onto subsequent generations e.g. ones children. Because a portion of your genetic make up lives on through your progeny then in some sense we do have a vague continuation after death. That's the best I can come up, still leading me to believe theres little point to life since one is set to fade into nothingess within a few years anyways. Good ol nihilism makes some good points after all I suppose. | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 8/1/2005 10:32:14 PM | The Spirit lives on, there is no question of that. The Spirit is the energy that makes up the framework of your being. It doesn't live on necessarily in the same form as when you were living, often times it disperses and becomes 'random' energy. Sometimes The Spirit holds together and in those cases sometimes the Soul hangs around too. If the Soul doesn't hang around you have a Ghost - a spirit without body or soul who performs what was once routine action... going through the most memorable motions it had ever done... more often it's daily routine though in the case of particularly haunting deaths the spirit relives that moment over and over. No pity should be had for Ghosts, they are not alive... they are flukes of circumstance and should be dispersed if possible.
You also have the case of the living spirit... a spirit still inhabitted by the deceased soul. For the deceased it would be like having an OOBE that never ends.
Then you have the case where the spirit disperses and the soul moves on - either to be annihilated as a reward for completing it's purpose - which rarely happens as soul purposes are usually quite large and difficult - or to dwell in one of the seven levels of heaven depending on level of enlightenment and fortification achieved. I have not yet been able to conceive of the afterworld - it is too vastly strange and complex for a mere mind to comprehend - but what I do know is that up there a soul has no body, mind or spirit. You do retain memories I believe... and a sense of self... beyond that, not certain.
Eddie: I don't think you want proof. You have made up your mind. You believe in annihilation and it doesn't look like anything anyone says is going to change your beliefs. Other people can keep feeding you information, but only you can open your mind to receive it.
For me, the existance of the spirit and the soul is the logical conclusion of a great deal of other explorations I underwent... the existance of God, the validity of past lives, study of Astrology/Gemology/Psionics, communications with spirit-beings, experimentations with auras... I have seen, done and studied alot of things and without the existance of the Spirit and the Soul to tie my experiences together I would have a whole whack of loose ends that would lead to a black hole of confusion. I don't expect you to take my word for it, I don't expect you to believe a word I say... but I present the information to you anyhow, in hopes that you will somehow come to understand that there is more to this reality than simply this reality. | |
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| No Soul?
Posted: 8/2/2005 12:01:48 AM | Assume you die and that's it. You're not going to exist to lament your non-existence...so why waste time fearing it. Thinking about it is fun though!
Are we more than the sum of our physical parts?
I tend to think so...and if you want to call the difference soul or whatever..go ahead!
Why do I think so? Well let's assume that in the future technology would allow us to create, from scratch, a synthetic human being....will it "start"?...have self-awareness, etc. My guess is no. because it would be missing "something"...but that's only a guess.
Other thought. Sperm meets egg...things start to happen....why? If you are able to answer that..next question...why? etc.... until you decide either ..
a) God or something like that started it.
b) Just because...ie there is no first cause that lead to the current effect (our existence)...which is really contrary to our intuition...but not necessarily wrong.
c) Don't know for sure, never will.
d) Don't care...live life..get as much pleasure out of it as you can.
I've pretty much decided on C. Smarter men (many) than I have tried to solve the riddle...I likely won't either....although that has not stopped many from thinking they have solved it. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 12:29:09 AM | yvnot - c. is a great choice and one I try stick with but eventually the gears start turning a,b keep coming back and ruining the party 
frivo - I haven't made up my mind, and to say people can't convince me that alternative explanations exist would be premature. I've read what you've posted and I simply don't agree as unfortunately there is no hard (ie. controlled scientific proof) that past lives, astrology, gemology, psionics are anything but snakeoil. I also don't understand your concepts of energy, unfortunately for your theory energy is a measureable thing. There is a direct relationship between mass and energy and conversions between them are, through applied physics, measurable. There is absolutely no reason to believe in "energy ghosts" or such things as if they existed they could be measured.
Anyways the fact that a and b are in direct contension with eachother and yet neither one makes sense or seems to be comprehensible by our brains gives me some solace. | |
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