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| | Paternity fraud might come to an endPage 3 of 32 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32) | ^^^ Yeah, I totally want my birthing experiences to include a "hey oh btw we need to perform a "are you a cheating whore" check on you Mom, nothing personal, but seeing as you have the audacity to be a woman & birth a child, it is just routine!".
Well, think of it this way:
Things like laws are made to address criminal activity. It doesn't mean that ALL the people break the law just because a law exists. Laws, things that are mandatory, exist for a reason. Paternity fraud, currently, is LEGAL. Defrauding someone of something is illegal except when women want to commit paternity fraud.
Blame the tens of thousands of women who commit this crime, and be content that your pristine integrity is intact.
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Posted: 6/23/2012 1:09:10 PM |
Stop thinking of yourself, for once. Maybe some children who were duped can stand face to face with you and you can tell them, "Too fvcking bad about your luck but it's all about my feelings and not yours."
When it comes to MY birthing experiences, I am going to be very selfish & think of myself, my partner, & my baby.
That is mine & my familys once in a lifetime special event, & my birth experience, nobody else's.
When i am celebrating the birth of my child, with my family, I am not giving any little bit of F*** about your (collective your not you personally) babydaddy/babymamam drama issues with your own families & births.
Those duped children? Their fathers, or alleged fathers, have every right to request a paternity test on their own time & dime. They can get a court ordered test, or purchase their own, on their own time. If they did not? it is their own parents/alleged parents who they need to be having a face to face chat with, not me or my family.
Hopefully, you won't be a bitter single mom during the time this happens - if it ever did. I'm sure they would be using some rough verbage on you.
I am not getting where you are going with that. Rough verbage.....for what?
I dont plan on giving birth as a "bitter single mom" in the future, if i do give birth again it will be a planned pregnancy with my partner. If i do somehow end up giving birth as a bitter single Mm due to some circumstance or the other? The father & I will do the tests, if he requests one, on our own time & money. | |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 1:19:15 PM | The woman will speak...harp....postulate about serving the best interest of the children they will go on endlessly about fulfilling ones responsibility and insuring the best interest of the child...what is best suited or best supporting the children.....but when it is perhaps reflected back on themselves…long winded and hot air...
Genetic testing should not be simply to confirm biological parents....but to determine and identify possible health concerns that can be a serious consideration for the child!
<div class="quote">Genetic tests use a variety of laboratory techniques to determine if a person has a genetic condition or disease or is likely to get the disease. Individuals may wish to be tested if:
There is a family history of one specific disease.
They show symptoms of a genetic disorder,
Theyr are concerned about passing on a genetic problem to their children.
Genetic tests include techniques to examine genes or markers near the genes. Direct testing for diseases such as cystic fibrosis and sickle cell anemia come from an analysis of an individual's specific genes. A technique called linkage analysis, or indirect testing, is used when the gene cannot be directly identified but can be located within a specific region of a chromosome. This testing requires additional DNA from an affected family member for comparison. Because each person's DNA is unique (except for identical twins), genetic tests also can be used for individual identification ("DNA fingerprinting").
Genetic testing is a complex process, and the results depend both on reliable laboratory procedures and accurate interpretation of results. Tests also vary in sensitivity , that is, their ability to detect mutations or to detect all patients who have or will get the disease. Interpretation of test results is often complex even for trained physicians and other health care specialists. When interpreting the results of any genetic test, one must take into account the probability of false positive or false negative test results. Special training is required to be able to analyze and convey information about genetic testing to affected individuals and their families.
Types of Genetic Testing
Carrier Identification includes genetic tests used by couples whose families have a history of recessive genetic disorders and who are considering having children. Three common tests include those for cystic fibrosis, Tay-Sachs disease, and sickle-cell trait.
Prenatal Diagnosis is genetic testing of a fetus. This may occur when there is a risk of bearing a child with genes associated with mental retardation or physical deterioration. Down Syndrome is one of the most common genetic diseases screened by this method.
Newborn Screening is frequently done as a preventative health measure. Tests usually have clear benefit to the newborn because treatment is available. Phenylketonuria and congenital hypothyroidism are conditions for which testing is conducted in all 52 states.
Late-onset Disorders include adult diseases such as cancer and heart disease. These diseases are complex and have both genetic and environmental causes. Genetic tests may indicate a susceptibility or predisposition for these diseases. There are diseases caused by single genes, such as Huntington's disease, that also are seen later in life and can be tested at any time.
Identification of genetic information belonging to a specific individual has received a great deal of press coverage lately. Profiles (aka "DNA fingerprints") are complied from the results of DNA testing for one or more genetic markers to identify unique characteristics of an individual. This information is currently used in legal cases involving paternity and in criminal investigations, and it can be used in time of major accidents, disasters, or wars to identify those who have died.
The genetic testing of children should be something required and wanted by all parents to identify and perhaps be vigilant as to possible life threatening problems.
Now it will not provide data as to possible runners or lazy ass mothers who choose not to work once the children arrive.
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Posted: 6/23/2012 1:34:34 PM | Let's call an ace an ace and a spade a spade....most men are not seeking mandatory paternity testing because of concerns that the child should know its medical background; they just don't want to be on the hook for child support for a child that is not theirs. As stated previously, I totally understand and support the idea of paternity testing.
However, I disagree with genetics testing, except if the genetic testing can be done completely anonymously and there is no way that insurance companies or any other entity (except parents) will ever know the results or that the results can't be used against the individual as a pre-existing condition. | |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 6:39:55 PM |
think of myself, my partner, & my baby.
Obviously you're not thinking of your partner OR your baby, just yourself. First of all, this testing would take place after the birthing process is done and you had your little "magic moment." You don't even have to be present for the paternity testing, just dad and the baby, and all they have to do is get a cotton swab before they leave the hospital. I've worked postpartum before, and considering all the other tests that babies are put through, a cheek swab is the least of your worries.
Secondly, if you cared so damn much about your partner and your baby, why can't you give him some peace of mind to KNOW that it's his kid? What's so bad about your kid having access to all the valuable information his/her father's medical background?
Moms love to preach that they will do anything and everything for their kid(s), but apparently the idea of someone directly/indirectly "calling them a whore" is too much to bear.
Most men are not seeking mandatory paternity testing because of concerns that the child should know its medical background; they just don't want to be on the hook for child support for a child that is not theirs.
You say that like it's a bad thing. I see nothing wrong with not being legally responsible for kids that aren't yours. | |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 7:40:41 PM | Part of my birth plan was to have my baby "room-in" with me from birth to release, except for needed exams by the pediatrician.
Paternity doubts were never an issue in my birthing experiences, so why would i be worried about other peoples babymama or babydaddy troubles? MY children were never denied blood relation by their fathers. I am positive that if i had suggested a paternity test to my Husband at the time of our sons birth, he would have found that to be ludicrous. He was there when i was taking clomid to concieve our child, taking ovulation tests daily, & timing our intimacy around my fertile times, & he knew I valued our marriage just as much as he did. Between work, caring for the child I already had, keeping house, fertility appointments,& being a wife, i dont know where i would have had the time/energy if i had wanted an affair...........
He already had peace of mind that it was his child. Our marriage was based on trust & love & wanting to build a family together, not whatever the hell it is y'all are building your families on, or will build on when/if you do have a family.
DNA testing was not even a thought in our heads. Between the birth, the arrival of a newbie into our house & family, & me going through a blood transfusion a week later from a freak hemorrage that occured a few days aafter i was released from maternity, he was a bit more concerned about me & the baby & the rest of the family rather than the whole "i want to make my wife feel like she is suspect to be a lying cheating whore". (And yes, the baby is his. I made marriage vows & i kept them. If you or your spouse does not, not my issue)
My eldest childs father, who i was not married to, never asked for one either. He did crack a joke about her being to pretty to be his kid, but when i quipped back that he was welcome to a DNA test, he was like "umm.....nah". He could have had one if he wanted one, after i got the baby home & settled, & we would split the cost rather than asking "the village" to deal with our personal matters, he didnt want one, i guess he didnt think i was a cheating lying whore after all *shrug* | |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 8:08:44 PM | There is absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting to be held responsible for a child not your own. There is an aspect of mandatory testing, though, that you are not addressing, and that is government intervention in ones personal life. For any man who has doubts, DNA testing is very easy to attain & relatively inexpensive. The vast majority of us would support legislation requiring the cost of such to be borne by the parent or "accused" parent proven to be incorrect/lying. However, many are against the MANDATE, rather than the testing itself, and this is a valid point. There exist men who simply don't want to know, for whatever reason, and there exist those, men & women alike, who simply don't want the government to tell them what to do. Let's not forget that with governmental involvement comes additional costs. I would not be one bit surprised to see the cost of a paternity test double if the government were to mandate & perform these tests routinely.
Truth is, far more often than not, those who request paternity tests are found to be fathers, hardly evidence in favor of supporting a mandate forcing all citizens to bear the cost of mandated testing. Interesting, given this fact, that so many of you would prefer to put your hard earned dollars into mandatory DNA testing (which, btw, would provide much more info to the government than merely paternity results; ie. invasion of privacy) rather than in to the hands of a parent rasing a child without financial support from the other parent.
btw, capitano, if it is legal, it isn't a crime (although I agree it should be; fraud is fraud). | |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 8:35:24 PM |
There is an aspect of mandatory testing, though, that you are not addressing, and that is government intervention in ones personal life
^^^ I guess we can say the same about domestic violence. Why should the government intervene with a woman's [personal decision to stay with a violent man? It's her choice therefore it's her consequence (applying ohwhynot's repetitive assertion about "responsibility)
**looking forward to the rant for a double standard of treatment** | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 3:29:55 AM | "There is an aspect of mandatory testing, though, that you are not addressing, and that is government intervention in ones personal life."
For married couples, is irrelevant to make a DNA test or not since all children born within marriage are naturals.
The husband will always be deemed as the father even if in jail -like a New York´s case.
In the way the law regarding family matters are written at the present, the introduction of mandatory paternity test at birth will only affect the unmarried women.
The option of no having a father´s name on birth certificate is valid and accepted.
The singles mothers by choice are not affected because there is already a predetermined intention of not having a father´s name on birth certificate - like in case of fertilization in vitro, adoption, becomeing legal tutor, preference of no partner involvement, etc.
And for unmarried couples, in case of claim for child support and/or dispute for custody (like the case of the thread) a DNA test is being mandated by court.
Never hear of woman claiming/refusing a court order for invasion of privacy and/or consideration of an attack to her character´s integirty because the Judge don´t take her word as truth.
In all cases, men already bears the cost of the paternity test regardless of result.
Other social/economical consideration are also irrelevant: already single and not parents taxpayer are financing other´s people reproductive choices.
"There exist men who simply don't want to know, for whatever reason..."
A mandatory partenity test will only shown is not the biological father.
A sworn affidavit of his intention of not wanting to know the results can be signed.
There is no prohibition/limitation to become legal father for others channels.
The aceeptance/recognition/acknowledge of paternity form is not claimed to be eliminated.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 11:41:28 AM |
There exist men who simply don't want to know, for whatever reason, and there exist those, men & women alike, who simply don't want the government to tell them what to do. Let's not forget that with governmental involvement comes additional costs.
People seem stuck on the cost. As I posted earlier in the thread, there is a PRE-NATAL, non-invasive, blood test that can show paternity. I have no doubt that the cost of such a thing will be very little once it is being used regularly.
While I agree that there would need to be restrictions on who or what had access to any DNA information, I don't see this as any different than any other confidential information that your doctor holds on you.
There is no reason why anyone HAS to know the results of the DNA, but it should be a simple choice for the father to check the match with any kids purported to be his, especially in a case where there was no "marriage-like" relationship between man and woman. Let's face it, more and more woman are squirting out more and more kids just because they can and want to do so. I believe it will be even more prevalent in years to come. Women want kids, but they don't necessarily want anything to do with the guy who stupidly provided her with his sperm. I saw a poll somewhere that said that 40% of women would decide for themselves when to get pregnant despite any feelings to the contrary the man they were banging might have.
Some men won't want to know the results of a DNA test, sure. Knowing it's there and available before the kid is even born would be a good thing for all three parties involved, it would seem to me.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 1:47:16 PM | Domestic violence and paternity fraud are in completely different categories.
And the law can't intervene as easily as you are trying to make it look. If it could my cousins boyfriend would be in jail for it at present but he's not.. despite them having her on tape saying all the things he did to her and pictures of the 100s of bruises all over her body that the police took and the ex-rays and stitches from the numerous ER visits.. .. She recanted and didn't press charges.. He's still hitting her..
Relationships are built on trust and respect. If you have that.. there will be no question and no need for that test.. if you don't have it.. as I've said.. the relationship is doomed anyway and they should have the test done.
Paternity tests are there and available.. any man can get one at anytime. it's not the government's responsibility to make the choices for the man. It's HIS responsibility to get the test if HE doubts paternity.
I do agree that if the man is proved not to the be the father them woman should have to pay him back for everything IF he wants it back. I know a handful of men who know they aren't the father and raise the child as their own anyway, without needing a paternity test. They either knew the woman cheated or some other scenario.
Men shouldn't be forced if they don't want it. There was no question surrounding my son. He knew it was his without question.
And I agree.. government needs to get the heck out of my house and my life. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 3:43:40 PM |
^^^ I guess we can say the same about domestic violence. Why should the government intervene with a woman's [personal decision to stay with a violent man? It's her choice therefore it's her consequence (applying ohwhynot's repetitive assertion about "responsibility)
You could say the same, but your logic fails, as do your facts. The government does NOT interfere with a woman's decision to stay with a violent man. They do arrest a man for domestic violence crimes (as a matter of fact, they arrest women too), but there are no laws that I am aware of that prevent a women from continuing a relationship with that man. Most of us agree that paternity fraud should be treated as any other fraud, and should indeed be a crime. I am guessing that it is a crime that is difficult to prove, as per the legal defintion of fraud:
an individual or an organization intentionally makes an untrue representation about an important fact or event:
the untrue representation is believed by the victim (the person or organization to whom the representation has been made);
the victim relies upon and acts upon the untrue representation;
the victim suffers loss of money and/or property as a result of relying upon and acting upon the untrue representation.
In any case, arresting someone for assaulting another person is hardly comparable to forcing citizens to provide the government with their DNA.
I might agree with the captain, that results kept by physicians & thus protected under the HIPA act would be a viable means of establishing paternity & laying to rest any concerns by men who fear they may have been lied to. For me personally, the tests need be limited to paternity rather than a complete DNA profile, as that should up to the individual acquiescing to the testing. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 3:45:25 PM | "Relationships are built on trust and respect. If you have that.. there will be no question and no need for that test..."
A man is duped as a father... precisely... because he trusted in her partner.
If asking for the test is disrespect... he has no choice than to accept the risk to avoid disruption of the peace in the relationship.
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Relationships are built on trust and respect. If you have that.. there will be no question and no need for that test.. if you don't have it.. as I've said.. the relationship is doomed anyway and they should have the test done.
Paternity tests are there and available.. any man can get one at anytime. it's not the government's responsibility to make the choices for the man. It's HIS responsibility to get the test if HE doubts paternity.
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If you are going to quote me.. please quote my entire statement.. quoting the entire statement would answer your statement.. I would probably go with "distrust" rather then "disrespect" although they kinda go hand in hand don't they?
wasn't it said earlier that women should be able to see the signs of a cheater before hand?? Well then why can't that SAME argument go towards the man? Or does this statement only apply to women?
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They're always so hell bent on getting paid and capitalizing on the fact that a man loved them once... why can't the guy have some rights and legal recourse?
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but they do have legal recourse. they can take us to court, sue us for custody and child support and they have access to all the resources we do. They can request a paternity test if they have reservations about paternity. Men do it everyday. they are getting custody more often, there are baby changing stations in mens rooms and support groups for single fathers. Men have to sign a paper stating they agree they are the father, they have equal say in their child's life if they remain active in it and don't just give the custody to the woman. Is it totally equal yet? No. but it's getting there.
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Quite frankly.. who give's a flying fu(k if the woman is offended by it. Now she knows what its like to be assumed to be an inferior parent by default. Welcome to a fathers world. Quit whining. Its pathetic.
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How does a paternity test show that we are the inferior parent? All it shows is there there is not trust in the relationship and either the man is paranoid or the woman is a liar. (Depending on the results. )
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If women wanna treat love, marriage, relationships, children, and divorce like they struck the God-damned lottery... they're gonna have to provide some evidence to get that precious child support and alimony cheque they believe they're entitled to.
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hahahaha.. If I could take my "lottery" winnings to the store.. I could maybe get half a gallon of milk.. if it's on sale.. lol I'd much rather have his father here, taking part in raising the child.
Paternity testing is often ordered by the court in a divorce proceeding if the man questions paternity. Paternity testing is available to any man who questions paternity no matter what his situation is, it has always been so. If you signed that you ARE the father when the child was born, then the burden to dis-prove paternity lands on you. I'd assume if you had doubts in the beginning you'd have insisted then. I also think that if a woman intentionally duped you into believe you are the father then you should get any monies paid toward said child back.
Oh and from what I understand.. it's very difficult to get alimony these days.. so I doubt a lot of women enjoy that benefit either.. esp with the salaries between the two genders beginning to equalize..
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Quit whining. Its pathetic.
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Take your own advice?? lol..
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If we could take men to court for lying about being sterile or having had a vasectomy the men would probably just spout off how dumb us women are for believing and trusting them and we need to lay in the bed we created and raise the child without them.. there wold be none of this oh take him to court there should be recourse stuff.. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 4:49:38 PM |
If women wanna treat love, marriage, relationships, children, and divorce like they struck the God-damned lottery... they're gonna have to provide some evidence to get that precious child support and alimony cheque they believe they're entitled to.
veedub, cubanguy, mrcs & the rest of you who seem to have an agenda, please be aware that most of us women are not in the habit of trying to dupe a man in to paying for a child not theirs. It is blatantly ignorant of you to spout off about the "rampant" practice of paternity fraud & to indicate that women view cs as "precious". Firstly, were you to actually educate yourself, the compiled data regarding paternity fraud includes only those who deny paternity, and even with that, the rate is approx. 30%. What that means is, OF THOSE who deny paternity, 70% of them actually ARE the fathers. If there is anything even nearing "rampant" here, it would seem to be the astounding number of fathers who deny being so. Secondly, anyone who has ever raised a child is acutely aware that cs contributions are hardly akin to winning the lottery.
Undoubtedly, there are women who lie, cheat, etc., and we have no reason to assert that the numbers who do so are any different for women than they are for men. That lying cheats exist equally among the genders is no more a reason to incite a gender war than is the fact that some men lie about having had a vasectomy, but you don't see very many women calling for legislation requiring men to prove themselves sterile via court intervention.
The truth is that none of us are advocating ripping off innocent men, but your bitterness does nothing to further your attractiveness to the opposite sex. The reactions of many of the participants here is related to the venomous ramblings you post, rather than the issue of paternity fraud, which has not been promoted by any poster here. I fail to see how you might think that your participation in this manner would benefit you in the slightest. Then again, not my problem; just sayin'. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 5:01:57 PM | Any man that doesn't want a paternity test is a fool. Even if you have the resources available, you should not raise someone else kid. A man can never be too paranoid when it comes to this. Bottom line.
"All it shows is that the woman is a liar"
I love how you marginalize that. That particular lie can cost a man hundreds of thousands of dollars, time and effort. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 5:10:26 PM | It is blatantly ignorant of you to spout off about the "rampant" practice of paternity fraud & to indicate that women view cs as "precious". Firstly, were you to actually educate yourself, the compiled data regarding paternity fraud includes only those who deny paternity, and even with that, the rate is approx. 30%.
Well, yes, but let's not forget that the sample you refer to was almost 300,000 tests done within a certain period of time, which means that there were 100,000 men who dodged a rather significant bullet. AND, that is ONE study done with blood type matching, which, if I'm not mistaken, is LESS accurate than DNA matching.
I wonder how many cases involving OTHER types of "criminal" fraud were proved during that time...
.... besides that, I love that you, Queen Stats-Don't-Mean-Shit, actually USED stats....
... so neener, neener, NEEEeeeener... 
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Posted: 6/24/2012 5:13:07 PM |
veedub, cubanguy, mrcs & the rest of you who seem to have an agenda, please be aware that most of us women are not in the habit of trying to dupe a man in to paying for a child not theirs. It is blatantly ignorant of you to spout off about the "rampant" practice of paternity fraud & to indicate that women view cs as "precious".
Can you please explain how a woman collects child support from two people for the same child if, what you say is true, about not wanting to take money from a man who isn't the father?
In truth, being interested in a woman with children is risky. Divorced moms hate the idea of being seen as losing a 2nd, 3rd, 4th marriage. They make someone pay for their inability to maintain a marriage - it's never their fault, is it?
And please, stop with the "agenda" comment - it makes you appear rife with hatred and agendas. I've reviewed many of your posts and all you do is correct men, demean men's comments and accuse them of having agendas. You're the last person who should accuse anyone of having an agenda - you're the worse person for that. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 5:16:14 PM |
Quite frankly.. who give's a flying fu(k if the woman is offended by it. Now she knows what its like to be assumed to be an inferior parent by default. Welcome to a fathers world. Quit whining. Its pathetic.
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How does a paternity test show that we are the inferior parent? All it shows is there there is not trust in the relationship and either the man is paranoid or the woman is a liar. (Depending on the results. )
I love how you marginalize that. That particular lie can cost a man hundreds of thousands of dollars, time and effort.
A bit unfair of you, VTEC, to deem the above as a marginalization. When taken in its entriety, it is simply a question to another poster. I would assume that the first quote above was intended to correlate the more often than not decision that custody remain with the primary caregiver of a child with the intimation that women make better parents. That comment directly relates to the one who posted it, not the one who replied. Most likely a bitter comment due to what was percieved as a bad experience in family court; perhaps warranted, perhaps not. Either way, immaterial to the discussion at hand.
For every case in which a parent was deemed to be lying about paternity, however, the comment is spot on; the findings show only that the particular person proven to be lying IS lying. It doesn't mean that most women lie about the father of their child(ren), it doesn't mean that either is deemed to be unfit as a parent, either. A finding means nothing more than that particular person lied, plain & simple. What is the problem with stating that fact? Please stop assuming that the rest of us are unable to read, or to read between the lines. | |
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"All it shows is that the woman is a liar"
I love how you marginalize that. That particular lie can cost a man hundreds of thousands of dollars, time and effort.
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Isn't that what the test shows? When it comes back you are the father.. then what? I guess I "marginalized" that as well?? It does show that the woman is a liar if SHE said he's the dad and he's not! You've only lost money, time and effort if you've been actively caring for the child until the test is done. When are most tests done that come back as not the father? How old are the kids? Are they requested by men who are actively raising the child or those who are not? I've also said if it comes back "not the father" the woman should not only pay for the test, but pay back any money she received from the man for the child.. so (I may have said it in a different post) where did I marginalize anything???
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Can you please explain how a woman collects child support from two people for the same child if, what you say is true, about not wanting to take money from a man who isn't the father?
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Nope. I can't. Don't understand that law.. and it wouldn't be passed in the states. As I've stated before.. Canada has crazy laws. You DO have to keep in mind that people live in different countries and the laws are different. From what I understand is the woman doesn't have a choice in the matter there.. the state does it in her behalf, whether she wants it or not? I could be wrong there.. as I'm not as well versed in Canadian laws..
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it's never their fault, is it
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Apparently, from all the comments, it's always their fault.. How about it BOTH their fault? Can we agree on that? (probably not right??)
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Any man that doesn't want a paternity test is a fool.
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Did you get one done?? or are you a fool??
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This is confuzzled we're talking about, her goal is to paint the best picture for the female side in anyway possible.
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Really? So when I state that it's the fault of BOTH parties and BOTH parites need to take responsibility for their action.. that's painting women in the best light???
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HER reasoning for stating it was exactly as I implied with my "unwarranted" answer.
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Nope.. but.. i'm sure i'm just trying to paint a better picture of myself.. right??
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I could go into that 'public forums' thing, but I'm not. I know what else she was saying as well.
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Obviously what you think i'm saying and what I am actually saying is 2 different things.. Hence the point of listening and communication.
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Yes, the test proves a "lie", and no it doesn't make you 'bad' parent to have lied about paternity.
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Great we agree
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Although considering what you could be doing to your kids by lying about their lineage.
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That is true also..a child needs to have access to their family's background, and that means knowing who their biological father is.
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Good parenting is not solely decided by the fact that you can pyhsically take care of your child.
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Yea it is also decided by a vast majority of other things. Anyone can feed and clothe a child.. It takes an actual parent to raise a child. Lying about paternity doesn't dictate that a woman is unable to do the other parts of it either.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 6:19:46 PM | Hah. This is confuzzled we're talking about, her goal is to paint the best picture for the female side in anyway possible. HER reasoning for stating it was exactly as I implied with my "unwarranted" answer. I could go into that 'public forums' thing, but I'm not. I know what else she was saying as well.
Yes, the test proves a "lie", and no it doesn't make you 'bad' parent to have lied about paternity. Although, the latter is up for debate, considering what you could be doing to your kids by lying about their lineage. Good parenting is not solely decided by the fact that you can pyhsically take care of your child. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:04:26 PM |
Can you please explain how a woman collects child support from two people for the same child if, what you say is true, about not wanting to take money from a man who isn't the father
Where the hell did THAT comment come from?! You feel the need to change the subject? I don't need to accuse you of having an agenda, as you give that impression all on your own. What I said was that MOST women are not seeking to collect monies from a man (not multiple men) not the father of their children. You disagree with me, which gives the distinct impression that you believe that most women do, in fact, seek to steal money from men, all under the guise that they have fathered their child(ren). That statement has no basis in fact, nor is it based on the statistics presented. Your lack of comprehension is astounding.
In truth, being interested in a woman with children is risky. Divorced moms hate the idea of being seen as losing a 2nd, 3rd, 4th marriage. They make someone pay for their inability to maintain a marriage - it's never their fault, is it?
Absolutely, getting involved with a single parent bears risks. One wonders, though, how it is you claim to know what divorced moms fear? Have you ever been a divorced mom? Are you privy to some hidden knowledge bank that affords you the power to make such a statement as that it was the mom alone who was unable to sustain a marriage? Divorce is a personal matter between two individuals; two individuals of opposite genders (until recently), both of whom were unable to sustain a marriage. I take each case on its individual merits, and fault the individual for that which they are at fault for. It seems that it is YOU who are incapable of doing so.
I remain content in my asessment of you as one of those with a thinly veiled agenda, and your need to turn it all around, all the while spouting off useless comments to redirect the conversation only builds my confidence. Thanks!
Capitano, my love, you are quite right in that I often refer to the useless of statistics, and I will continue to do so, as they are most often cited without regard to the qualitative. Thus my inclusion of the fact that the statistics used to name paternity fraud "rampant" only include those who deny paternity. That I can use the same stats to make a contrary argument provides evidence for my belief that statistics are, in & of themselves, useless. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:09:18 PM | | mtluggage, no need to bother to message me personally. If you took a look at my profile, you would see that I have discovered that those who can not spell and/or lack reading comprehension skills are a waste of my time. I am here only for the forums these days, and anything you feel the need to say can be said right here. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:15:39 PM |
Capitano, my love, you are quite right in that I often refer to the useless of statistics, and I will continue to do so, as they are most often cited without regard to the qualitative. Thus my inclusion of the fact that the statistics used to name paternity fraud "rampant" only include those who deny paternity. That I can use the same stats to make a contrary argument provides evidence for my belief that statistics are, in & of themselves, useless.
.... teehee.... you mentioned stats again in this post....
.... I think you're a closet stats freak.....
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:22:27 PM | Not only did I mention stats, I also called you "my love". I am a closet capitano freak, too!
btw, how come I seem to no longer have emoticons?!?! | |
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