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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/25/2012 8:53:47 PM | Back then, being yourself would get you someone nice but today its all about the bigger and better deal ... (atleast with people closer to my age).
Nope, never was any guarantee of anything even way way "back then" with us dinosaurs..
I had to LEARN to be sociable by getting OUT to many local regular social events and actually talking to people, making friends there over time who could actually accept me as I was, no PUA tactics needed. ( of course it helped actually BEING 6'3" and educated...)
Suggest that you use what advantages/virtues that you do have to grow yourself more into the person you would really like to be, and THEN you can really relax and be yourself with success.
How about using your language ability to get more education and apply at the CIA and maybe go to work on "Echelon" or "Flame" projects...
Wouldn't that be funny if you could joke about bein a secret government agent and nobody would believe you... | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/25/2012 9:15:01 PM |
…this crusade against me and my ideals.
You mean these ideals?
OP:
…theres no chance of me ever getting to a second date let alone in your pants. I need to constantly keep you on your toes ... constantly keep giving you complements with insults until your feeble mind cant decide what to make of it and then you give it up. I even have to do this with girls that are 6s and 7s
You need your fellow wannabe PUA’s to back up these ‘ideals’? Or maybe the girls you’re publicly dissing?  | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/25/2012 9:16:39 PM |
Yes PUA tactics work but I'M SICK OF USING THEM. So in response to all of those people that tracked down that other post that I had put ... Its because im being myself that I'm not getting the second date thus which is why I made the post in the first place ...
Dude, you contradict yourself. Does it work for you, or doesn't it work. Does it work at one level but not a deeper one.
If you read deeper into psychology and relationships you will learn that the PUA tactic are design for one type of woman that hangs at clubs and bars. The problem with the idea and pursuit of that elusive 10 or 9, is that it's an illusion. I used to do "cattle calls" and bring in all the hot women for a shot and on their day off, the numbers do not add up. It's a mask.
Now, do not get**** and turn it into an age thing. What you think you are trying to do, has been done quite well for hundreds of years. There's nothing new, just a better dissemination of noise. And I call it noise because most of it, it's aimed at creating a viral dissemination of that one thing that will get you laid.
Now, don't get me wrong. PUA tactics work as some levels. The idea of men being confident. Works. The idea that men need to stop being a wooss to women, works. The idea of Negging. Well, that is in the middle. If all you are doing is praising women, they ignore you, but it you give them a challenge. Then their eyes open up.
What you need to do in learn SALES tactics. They are more universal and not demeaning to anyone. So be the best version of YOUR SELF. Not some fake script. Be YOU. NObody else.
Remember another thing that also hold very true and is one of the mottos of my industry and it goes like this "Differentiate of die." So look at the women you are dealing with. They have heard the PUA stuff. They have been played before. So differentiate by being YOU. What a concept.
You may get that second date after all. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/25/2012 11:21:54 PM |
Kayla ... you seem the most damaged out of anybody that has posted on this thread ... constantly calling me out and fueling this crusade against me and my ideals. Nobody close to my age group has even tried to respond to this post and its been nothing be people in their 30's +
The world isn't the same place it was when you were in your twenties (especially you Kayla). Back then, being yourself would get you someone nice but today its all about the bigger and better deal ... (atleast with people closer to my age). Back when I was growing up you would have amazing shows with regular people doing regular things. Today we have 13 year olds talking about sex on the Disney channel ... Clearly it's a different world than it once was.
The same approaches and tactics dont work anymore ... so inorder for me to find somebody I actually want to hang out with ... I need to invent a script and stick to that script if I want to push the relationship farther along. Yes PUA tactics work but I'M SICK OF USING THEM. So in response to all of those people that tracked down that other post that I had put ... Its because im being myself that I'm not getting the second date thus which is why I made the post in the first place ... I made this post to ask for advice and yeah to rant a little bit but people like Kayla have to make everything PC ... go watch your Fox News and listen to your Glenn Beck tape because you obviously dont live in this world.
Excellent posts! Once again I totally agree with you! | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/25/2012 11:26:22 PM | | It's too obvious that a lot of older women in here are just too jealous of OP. You know could could never get this guy to look at you twice and I wouldn't either. I suggest OP to stick to his guns and not give up. I know you are sick of mind games but you have no other choice. Be heartless, be patient and if you are lucky you might actually find someone you wouldn't need to mind **** in order to get. Otherwise use and abuse! | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 2:30:30 AM |
It's too obvious that a lot of older women in here are just too jealous of OP. You know could could never get this guy to look at you twice and I wouldn't either. I suggest OP to stick to his guns and not give up. I know you are sick of mind games but you have no other choice. Be heartless, be patient and if you are lucky you might actually find someone you wouldn't need to mind **** in order to get. Otherwise use and abuse!
LooooL!!! uh oh, the battle lines have been drawn now, they are about to come out like gangbusters now. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 4:17:10 AM | rofl, if you cant get a good looking decent woman you probably dont deserve one, all that pua shit only works if your naturally**** and friendly.
your meant to keep them on there toes not ACTUALLY insult them. how do you know your "a good catch" you seem to think your gods gift to women, comes across pretty well when your complaining that you cant get laid. your either a player or you arent and you blatently aint got the balls.
you sound quite judgemental, do you put any effort into your dates you seem to think "shes only a 7 ill just try to **** her". if a girl wants someone to fk her she has a long que, if she wants a guy whos decent,funny and whos gonna amuse her and make her happy, the list shrinks.
if you cant offer anything dont be suprised when they dont want to offer you anything, when i was sleeping around i was FRIENDLY and treated everyone well and made them feel appreciated without lieing about intentions.
IF HOT GIRLS DONT LIKE YOU THATS YOUR PROBLEM NOT URS
just seen your last post. THERE IS NO SCRIPT, if you follow a script your pretty fucked. if women dont liek you for you why dont they like you ?. are u arrogant and cocky without also being funny ?. do you make chauvinistic jokes, do you insult them ?, do you mention how your 9 exes wheres sluts ?, do you tell them girls in mini dresses are sluts.
casual sex is about comfort and trust. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 4:26:54 AM |
It's too obvious that a lot of older women in here are just too jealous of OP. You know could could never get this guy to look at you twice and I wouldn't either. I suggest OP to stick to his guns and not give up. I know you are sick of mind games but you have no other choice. Be heartless, be patient and if you are lucky you might actually find someone you wouldn't need to mind **** in order to get. Otherwise use and abuse!
Heehee! The OP is supposedly a tall, nice looking (although I have to wonder why he is using a photo that is at least two years old as his main shot - that is when pof was still watermarking the site pics), college graduate with a command of two languages, yet he seems to repulse women his own age and admits he has had trouble even getting people his age to answer his posts. Why would "older women in here [be] just too jealous of OP"? Are you saying he is not the age or person he portrays? Is that why you think he would attract older women? This post is about the OP's failure to get women to go on a second date with HIM.
It is such an issue for the OP, he has started TWO threads on the same subject. Not sure why you think older women would want a "man" who can't attract someone in his own age range ... That should be an easier achievement for him than drawing the attention of a mature, sophisticated and discerning woman. 
I don't know why he can't get a second date, but as surfaceofficer said, he should have women crawling all over him.
San Diego is one of the most outdoor activity-geared cities in the entire USA. Go sea kayaking with whales in winter, take salsa lessons in the gaslight district, surf, hike, bike, zoo, museums, etc., etc.
If the OP made it through college in SD with no second date ... Something is seriously wrong with the picture he has painted for us. I doubt it is anything a huge age gap could overcome. 
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 8:51:25 AM | | Seems that more women have mind f*cked you right back by the sounds of your whining :), most can see right through the mind games, because we use it ourselves or its games w played in high school. Maybe try a diffrent angle?? The old ones have been sniffed out and only bored women will play along with it for a bit until the novely wears off. Be you, the real you. The games only go so far an you'll end up losing faith in yourself and people, thus attracting even worse types. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 8:56:46 AM | This post and stansilavic's attitude are just why I do NOT date men in their age group....talk about GAMES !!
Sure Stan, we women don't deserve to be treated as fellow human beings, we should just lay down and spread em for ya whenever you demand it....LMAO..... | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 9:17:27 AM | Oh, well. This is just another permutation of the "Nice Guy" thread, anyway.
The premise, from an OP's perspective is as follows:
1) Women don't behave the way I want them to - they reject me, pay no attention to me, etc.
2) I am very desirable because I am _____ (fill in the blank - NICE, attractive, smart, successful, all of the above).
3) Ergo, the women are obviously flawed.
4) Even if they are flawed, I still want them.
5) Therefore, I will give them the nasty treatment they deserve, because they don't want nice guys anyway.
6) Now I can blame them for my lack of success!
Oh, well - just another boring day in Postal Code: "No more Mr. Nice Guy!"
(Full address at MSG 10)
Haha, OP! I guess you must be getting some heat from the parents if your brother was married over 2 years ago! At least that is what your old, watermarked main photo would prove.
Are you trying to build a case to justify for them why you can't seem to attract and retain a suitable girl to bring home?
Bummer. Fail, dude. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 9:31:57 AM | "If indeed you were yourself, wouldn't you then attract those attracted to who you are? (!youth!)"
Not really.
I was an odd duck, always 'be yourself' for a long time and women hated me. As soon as I changed things up to make myself look and act more homogenous things changed. Night and difference with women. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 9:41:29 AM |
Sure Stan, we women don't deserve to be treated as fellow human beings, we should just lay down and spread em for ya whenever you demand it....LMAO.....
Why bother with all that? They’ll shoot off before any leg spreading happens, ala Forrest Gump. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 10:01:35 AM |
an odd duck, always 'be yourself' for a long time and women hated me. As soon as I changed things up to make myself look and act more homogenous things changed. Night and difference with women.
Yeah, shavin that Rumplestiltskin beard really helped!
If you look and act like a native Ted Kazinsky, no wonder it's better to come around to more societal "norms" if ya ever wanta reproduce..
Some don't bother to try at all, to grow themselves into what they would really like to be. When all you have is a hammer, all the world seems like a nail..
Better to gather a whole toolbox and be able to actually build something..
And any other homily I can dig out to fit.. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 10:05:45 AM | | If women hate you're 'true self' (are u sure it's not you who hates your 'true self'?), you've got to work on that in a positive way, not a sneaky way. Yeah, you'll pull the wool over a few eyes for a while, but end of the day, you're not happy are you. The real key is self-confidence. You can only fake self-confidence for a little while behind mind games (using mainly negativity and faked mystery). You just pull dumbarses for a little while and you end up disillusioned back here whining. Get some real self confidence. Do things with positive energy in your heart and a true sense of self. That radiates more then any tactic and is truley limitless. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 12:10:18 PM |
Remember another thing that also hold very true and is one of the mottos of my industry and it goes like this "Differentiate of die." So look at the women you are dealing with. They have heard the PUA stuff. They have been played before. So differentiate by being YOU. What a concept.
I don't know if anyone has read the book by Neil Strauss "The Game", but there was a guy that met a woman by using the pick-up-artist techniques but then everything fell apart after they got married because he had to keep up the act. Hopefully I'll find a link to the story later. Being yourself may work better in a long term relationship, but there is no evidence that being yourself is more effective when it comes to meeting new women. I guess it depends what type of person you are.
If women hate you're 'true self' (are u sure it's not you who hates your 'true self'?), you've got to work on that in a positive way, not a sneaky way. Yeah, you'll pull the wool over a few eyes for a while, but end of the day, you're not happy are you. The real key is self-confidence. You can only fake self-confidence for a little while behind mind games (using mainly negativity and faked mystery). You just pull dumbarses for a little while and you end up disillusioned back here whining. Get some real self confidence. Do things with positive energy in your heart and a true sense of self. That radiates more then any tactic and is truley limitless.
Getting real self confidence is one of the hardest things in life you can ever do. I'm sure it's worth it but I've never been able to unlock the secret. I've been doing a lot of things to work on myself. I started taking Karate four years ago and I've been doing competitions. I've played musical performances infront of big crowds. I've forced myself to go out and put myself in different social situations. I still feel very shy and unconfident. What do you mean when you say you have to work on your true self in a positive way? Why would you want to change your true self? I think the problem is that the "be yourself" motto works if "yourself" is a good-looking, social, upbeat, funny person. It may not work as well if you're a nerdy guy that plays dungeons and dragons, a crossdresser, a guy with a big bushy bearrd, a really shy person, etc. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 12:26:35 PM |
I started taking Karate four years ago and I've been doing competitions. I've played musical performances infront of big crowds. I've forced myself to go out and put myself in different social situations.
Very good things to do indeed. In the end we are defined by the actions that we take. The best way to overcome insecurity, particularly with women, is to start by overcoming it someplace else. In your case Karate. But also, while those things work, they are also a mask that we create, so in other words, we become good at putting up the show, but at what point the self starts to come out.
In the Strauss book, in the end their relationships fell apart. So while a lot of that stuff works, it will depend what is your objective. For some of us, is to find ONE person, not TWENTY. Some of us are not interested in increasing our numbers, but rather to find one person that we would like to spend time. That person has to take you at face value and love you with all your real faults.
So, while I do advocate to improve yourself constantly, also do not get to the point that there's no you left but simply scripts of other people's lives. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 2:55:50 PM |
Very good things to do indeed. In the end we are defined by the actions that we take. The best way to overcome insecurity, particularly with women, is to start by overcoming it someplace else. In your case Karate. But also, while those things work, they are also a mask that we create, so in other words, we become good at putting up the show, but at what point the self starts to come out.
Yeah, it's strange. You can feel really confident about being a good soccer player or something but then you freeze up when it comes to social situations.
In the Strauss book, in the end their relationships fell apart. So while a lot of that stuff works, it will depend what is your objective. For some of us, is to find ONE person, not TWENTY. Some of us are not interested in increasing our numbers, but rather to find one person that we would like to spend time. That person has to take you at face value and love you with all your real faults.
You're right, you just need to find one person that likes you. But you need to increase your numbers of people willing to go on dates with you and get to know you if you want a better chance of finding one good match. | |
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| When did game basically become mind-fu**ing you into saying yes
Posted: 6/26/2012 3:30:28 PM | I even have to do this with girls that are 6s and 7s because of the sheer amount of messages they get in their inbox, when all I want is to just have a good time as MYSELF
Maybe pre-emptively you're assuming you have to be over-analytical, do all passive under-the-radar things to maximize your chances etc, and then when executing you've been getting tired of it, and are not executing very well because you're too hung up on it.
What I mean about 'getting the girl' pertains to garnering/solidifying genuine interest, not some focus on 'getting in her pants' (although both will with each other at some point if such interest sustains, but I digress)...
You will have the desire to be over-analytical and a psychological ninja to 'get' the girl when she isn't that interested in you, and that can work. Hence your frustration of having to do that to get any legit chance in your mind. A girl many times won't be that into you, when you're just another guy on paper & looks, compared to her other options. So what do you do?
Don't be a typical boring guy with zero edge, but don't be having to dig into a bag of baby-step 'moves' to keep her on her toes, etc. In the end, just don't care so much. No tricks are required... just how your general persona comes across & how you carry yourself. Maybe you need a break because you see it all as a chore.
You know the whole mantra that a guy gets more chances with girls when he already has a girl already vs when he's single? Murphy's Law, right? Not so much... it's because his subtle demeanor, body language, and the way about him is more attractive when he doesn't care much at all about impressing a woman (in that case, because he already has a girl). | |
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