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 Hamilton12345
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If that's what you thought, it really did go over your head


Went back and read the original post for a third time and I guess whatever I was suppose to get from it did go over my head. The funny thing is that I analyze words for living and was taught that if something can be interpreted in more than one way both was are equally correct.

So let's pick this apart word by word


Why would Men believe that it's okay to approach Women in a gym? Um, maybe because Women GO there to meet men?
How can I say something like that with 100% certainty? Maybe because of articles like this?


Not some women, not a few women, but women, as I said before these type of generalities drive me crazy. But let's break that down a little further, because all women go to the gym to meet men therefore they must accept whatever men say to them and be polite in return.

Now I personally don't think that there is anything wrong with a man approaching a woman in the gym as long as they are polite, don't say anything rude and know when to walk away. I also think that women should be polite in return. But that is the operative portion of that - in return. You are rude to me, but I am suppose to smile sweetly in return. No, I am suppose to tell you that was you said was inappropriate, your tone was out of line, or that head motion of looking the body up and down a few times is down right crude. At that point you are suppose to walk away and think about what I said, not keep pushing or walk away mumbling what a biatch.

Let's move onto the next part where yes he does qualify his statement partially only.


1) Some women go to the gym to meet guys.
2) Women are encouraged to do so by national women's publications.
3) Men are expected to approach women.
4) Men are sexual predators and stalkers for approaching women at the gym.

Yah, THAT makes alot of sense.

1) he qualifies his women to some women
2) found many sites that said the gym was a bad place to meet people, he cited one national publication and by his words made it sound like women's publications as a whole endorse gyms ( yet another faulty generalization)
3) I guess in some ways you could say this is true, but again a faulty generalization. Some women expect men to approach them therefore men are expected to approach woman.
4) Wow because a few woman (single not plural, no generalizations faulty or otherwise here) say something silly all women think that men are sexual predators/stalkers? I think not! Again another faulty generalization.


It's time for some uncomfortable truths


That statement on its own truly bothers me, the minute someone starts spouting on about "truths" the warning bells go off in my head and I think, oh boy here comes the agenda. And sure enough it is followed by only players act like gentlemen, the nice guys don't know enough/get around enough to act the way that women want them to. You would think that after being ignored, told to piss off/screw off (whatever inappropriate term is used by the woman in question) enough times the nice guy would figure out that he was doing something wrong. Says to me, yet again another "nice guy' who can't compete.

As for woman being played all the time again another faulty generalization. I have met my share of idiots/asses etc but can't say that I have ever been "played." I have also met my share of gentlemen, men who know what is appropriate in what context and they are not players. They simply are not lacking in the social graces.

Would continuing picking it apart for intrepretation but I do it all day and I am getting lazy.

In the end it goes back to what I said before:

Women (yes a generalization) grow thicker skin. not every man who talks to you is a jerk, I am guessing that 1 in a thousand is a sexual preditor (yes I made up that number but seems good to me) so chances are you are not going to meet one. Tell the jerks they were rude, smile and say thank you to the nice ones. If you are not interested tell them politely. Quit looking for rapists, sexual preditors and mass murderers around every corner.

Men (yes generalization again) quit being idiots and a**es. If you want to approach a woman be polite. You look good is okay, nice body, not so much. Learn what is appropriate in what context, if you have to take a few lessons from the players then do so. Wouldn't kill you to learn how to act like a gentleman. And when the woman tells you you were rude, don't cal lher a biatch, apologize, walk away and try another day!
 AnEvilGenius1
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Posted: 6/29/2012 4:36:00 PM
I've been dealing with a similar station for the last year.
I go to church to practice my religious beliefs and not to get hooked up with a divorcee or any of their relatives.
Can't go to a bible study without being introduced to someone's visiting relative they brought up just to meet me.
Seriously, I go there for piece of mind and think about my relationship with God and what do I get but a bunch of women pawing for my attention.

What ever happen to common decency ?
 MDIYM59
Joined: 1/30/2012
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Posted: 6/29/2012 5:08:50 PM

Seriously, I go there for piece of mind and think about my relationship with God

That's cool, but you decided on "An"Evil"Genius1" as your screen name? That's a bit odd, lol.
 Deleted1a2b3c4d5e
Joined: 10/24/2011
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Posted: 6/29/2012 5:13:02 PM
The Facts of Life by Alan Thicke, Gloria Loring and Al Burton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_GxXRbSFDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9w_FfM0ZgM

You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The Facts of Life, the Facts of Life.


There's a time you got to go and show
You're growin' now you know about
The Facts of Life, the Facts of Life.

When the world never seems
to be livin up to your dreams
And suddenly you're finding out
the Facts of Life are all about you, you.

It takes a lot to get 'em right
When you're learning the Facts of Life. (learning the Facts of Life)
Learning the Facts of Life (learning the Facts of Life)
Learning the Facts of Life.

source: http://www.lyricsondemand.com/


Holy crap on a cracker, OP, even Jo, Blair, Tootie, Natalie and Mrs Garrett figured it out.

I'm sorry someone stalked you, I really am, but even a TV theme song is showing more objectivity than you.
 BlokeInSydney
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Posted: 6/29/2012 5:40:31 PM

there are no ladies only gyms...if there were i would.

In Australia there are, they're called Fernwood and do good business.

All the other gyms do well over here too so women have a choice as to whether or not they want to exercise with men.
 Hamilton12345
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Posted: 6/29/2012 5:48:12 PM

There's no need to because it will continue to go over your head until you understand that reality won't bend to your will


And what reality is that. That men and women both behave badly and need to get over themselves? That men are not a**es and women are not biatches? That some women need to lighten up and quit looking for boogy man? That some men need to learn to treat women better? That placing blame on either one is asinine? That generalizations tend to be offensive (at least for me) regardless of who is using them? That continually saying it is just over your head with no explanation is a just a touch on the arrogant side?
 wanderer1999
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Posted: 6/29/2012 6:06:33 PM
Well, since we're going to engage in this type of analysis, I'm happy to participate.



2) found many sites that said the gym was a bad place to meet people, he cited one national publication and by his words made it sound like women's publications as a whole endorse gyms ( yet another faulty generalization)


First, my statement Women (plural noun) did not state All women, or zero women. While you can choose to infer sweeping generalities, it does not change the truth of the fact that there are publication and websites that DO endorse going to gyms in order to meet Men. I did not imply it was Every media outlet, as that is on it's face Ludicrous.

The media is the input of multiple voices with differing opinons, so trying to infer some sort of general popular consensus on any topic is a strawman argument.

My point was that it was not from an unfounded belief that SOME women choose to go to the Gym to meet Men, and thus it is reasonable for Men to infer this when it is present within the Media.

Discounting the impact of a magazine like Cosmopolitan as only "one source" among many in order to manufacture a disagreement is a disservice. Cosmopolitan has a total readership of 18,000,000 people.

http://www.cosmomediakit.com/r5/showkiosk.asp?listing_id=360482&category_id=27810&category_code=

That is over 10% of the entire Female population of the United States.


3) I guess in some ways you could say this is true, but again a faulty generalization. Some women expect men to approach them therefore men are expected to approach woman.


A generalization does not have to be exactly true to be a reasonable base assumption. It is a given that Men are generally expected to be the initiators of contact the VAST majority of the time. Once again you are seeking to create argument without purpose other than to argue that the writing in not sufficiently rigorous and does not fit the critical standard of an actual argumentative Essay. This is not an academic paper. It is a fluid discourse and Debate.

Had you attempted to raise such a point during an actual Debate, you would have been laughed off the floor for a failure to establish a logical counterpoint.

Of course there are women that will make the first move, they are however a significant majority. Using that as a criticism is like arguing if I had said that Swans are not black. Yes, an extremely small portion of Swans are black, so thus the statement is technically incorrect if taken in its most literal sense, but to use that as a critique of the line of argument does not accomplish anything meaningful. Once again, you are being argumentative without purpose.



4) Wow because a few woman (single not plural, no generalizations faulty or otherwise here) say something silly all women think that men are sexual predators/stalkers? I think not! Again another faulty generalization


This post WAS made in the context of the existing thread, in reply to specific statements made by previous posters for the purpose of Debate. To take a post out of context serves no purpose other than to intentionally misconstrue the meaning of the post (a point within an overarching discussion) solely for the purpose of argument.

Another manufactured strawman. A thread is an interactive discussion. Pulling any single post out of context and inferring a meaning that does not exist is the weakest form of argument.



And sure enough it is followed by only players act like gentlemen, the nice guys don't know enough/get around enough to act the way that women want them to. You would think that after being ignored, told to piss off/screw off (whatever inappropriate term is used by the woman in question) enough times the nice guy would figure out that he was doing something wrong. Says to me, yet again another "nice guy' who can't compete.


And in this case You are making assumptions that are Dead wrong.

I am not one of the hapless "nice guys", nor have I been since my Teens. I have however literally spent hundreds of hours over many years observing Men and Women, researching women and actively dating in order to develop my own skillset.

I have literally watched hundreds of Men and Women make the same errors over, and over, and over. To assume that human beings all draw the correct lessons from their errors is naiive at best, willfully ignorant at worst.

Many people do NOT infer the correct lessons from the consequences in their lives. Human beings rack up credit card debt they can not possibly afford and do not connect those sums with their coffee at Starbucks. Human beings pick random fights with people and do not connect it with their insecurities.

Human beings often do NOT learn those lessons any more than the Women who find themselves in cycles of bad relationships make the connection to their poor date selection, let alone their underlying psychological issues.

And if the Man was not actually attempting to be intentionally crass, most likely the Man who said "Nice body" does not have the slightest clue that it was inappropriate. And had the Woman responded exceptionally Rudely, it is equally plausible to believe that he would believe that it was because she was just Hostile to Approaches as it is to assume she was being offended by his choice of Words.

The reality is that most Men are NOT going to get substantially better at approaching a woman without first being educated (which requires either a Mentor, or a Woman to tastefully point out his errors), self-education and substantial practice. Substantial practice means approaching Women -- and most of those Men are going to get it wrong MOST of the time while they're learning.

For every Man that is suave and debonair, there are literally hundreds of Women who had to endure awful lines, uncomfortable double entendres, unexpectedly rude comments, and tactless questions BEFORE he became that smooth and debonair Man.

You don't hone a sales pitch in 5 tries. You do it over the course of repeating that pitch several times a day, over weeks and months, with a person analyzing and correcting your delivery and responses. And sales pitches are substantially simpler than the complexity of social interaction between Men and Women.



As for woman being played all the time again another faulty generalization. I have met my share of idiots/asses etc but can't say that I have ever been "played." I have also met my share of gentlemen, men who know what is appropriate in what context and they are not players. They simply are not lacking in the social graces.


With the absolutely Best players, the Women never realize that they have been played. The Players that get "caught" typically are not anywhere near the Top Tier. Just like the best Conmen don't "convince" you to do something, they make you Believe that it was YOUR idea. They give the illusion of control to the Woman. The difference is instead of waking up with an empty bank account, you have instead invested time and physical intimacy with the Player and walked away believing that it was Your idea to end the relationship the whole time.

Second, there is no shortage of "former" players who no longer participate in the game. Most women would never have a clue if their current SO was a former Top Tier player. Top Tier players aren't discovered any more than the most brilliant criminals and corrupt executives go to jail.

That said, it is quite possible that you have never been played. If so then you are a statistical outlier in the dating scene.



Learn what is appropriate in what context, if you have to take a few lessons from the players then do so. Wouldn't kill you to learn how to act like a gentleman.


Which leads back to a previous post. Players don't like to share what they know. Dating is competitive. And just like any competitive sport, the best don't share trade secrets with just anyone. They don't write books. They don't hold Seminars. And they don't do shows.

You can sit and *hope* that Men suddenly acquire those skills, but it will most likely be a very long time to wait. If ever.

Many Women would be far better off approaching the Men who are more Shy and Less experienced at dating and giving them a reasonable chance.

And for those Men that are absolutely intent on trying to learn how to approach a Woman, there's always This basic starter thread.... Yes, I know it was 5 years ago, but I figure the dating scene can't have changed that much since then.

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts7215886.aspx
 knt3
Joined: 6/8/2012
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Posted: 6/29/2012 6:27:18 PM
Wow, this topic has really gone further than I ever thought.

The only thing I want to say regarding the OP by RachelGirl is this:
If you want to go to the gym and no matter how you're dressed, make-up or no make-up and you're approached by some guy then just simply say, "look, is there something I can help you with?" and when he opens up his mouth and you know that he's just going to come off with some lame comment or say something that you could care less to hear then just tell him, "I really need to get back to what I'm doing" and then just keep doing whatever you were doing not giving him any reason whatsoever to continue. The faster you cut them, the quicker they will go away even if they are muttering negative crap. Really, who freakin cares? If you have any further issues, report him on the spot.
 Behind-Blue-Eyes_53
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Posted: 6/29/2012 6:32:55 PM

AnEvilGenius1
I've been dealing with a similar station for the last year.
I go to church to practice my religious beliefs and not to get hooked up with a divorcee or any of their relatives.
Can't go to a bible study without being introduced to someone's visiting relative they brought up just to meet me.
Seriously, I go there for piece of mind and think about my relationship with God and what do I get but a bunch of women pawing for my attention.

What ever happen to common decency ?


Maybe the Lord is sending those women to you. It reminds me of this story.............


A man was standing on the roof of his house, flood waters totally covering his house and lapping at his ankles. He prayed, "Lord, I trust you and know that you will save me."

A couple in a canoe came by and asked if he needed help.

"No," said the man, "the Lord will save me."

Later, the water now risen up to his waist, the man kept praying, "Lord, I know that you will save me from this."

A couple of fishermen in a rowboat came by then and offered to take him to safety.

"No thanks," said the man, "I know that God will save me from this."

Not long after that the water rose to throat level. The man kept praying to God, "Lord, I know in my heart that you will save me from this."

A National Guard helicopter came by, hovered overhead, and lowered a rope for him to hold onto. He refused saying, "I know God will save me from this flood. Thanks anyway."

Well, the water rose even further and he drowned. When he got to heaven he looked up at God and asked, "Lord, I prayed to you and trusted in you so much. Why didn't you save me from that awful flood?"

"What?" the Lord asked, "I sent you a canoe, a rowboat, and the National Guard in a helicopter but you wouldn't take any of them!"
 knt3
Joined: 6/8/2012
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Posted: 6/29/2012 6:57:48 PM
EvilGenius Post 306

Well, remember that song.....Looking for love in all the wrong places.....

It's tough out here looking for someone, so many games so people end up on the forums just looking for someone to talk to or type to if only to keep life going. Not to say that we have no other life other than forums but many people keep on hoping that maybe, just maybe they will find the one. The forums are a form of company that's there 24/7 no matter what.

When people don't have luck in their daily lives or on dating sites they (and really I say SOME only), turn to the church where church is supposed to have all of these activities and events whereby you might just meet someone, get on with them and who knows, maybe you're truly a match and you all live happily ever after.

Even in a church that has a wide age range, people tend to look there or are brought there by family and friends hoping that God will like sort of match them up. But, even in church it's a tough go to say the least. I have found for myself that with all that I have experienced in life both good and bad, that I am now happy to live the rest of my life alone rather than to put up with another divorce, cheating, lying, and all kinds of garbage like I and most of us have gone through before. I now enjoy my life in knowing that the search is over and if someone (which I highly doubt), comes my way and we make it together then, I'll deal with that if it ever comes my way. Just realize that people that approach you in church maybe wanting to get together to talk over coffee to see if there's a connection well, people are truly desperate these days and maybe they should just allow God to bring two together instead of everyone shoving their kin and friends up in your face. I too last year finally found a church where I have peace of mind and can dwell on my relationship with God. It's nice because I also don't feel the slightest bit of judgement. I'm happy and wish you the same. You really have to just forgive people "for they know not what they do", and be happy that yeah, they're coming towards you instead of running the other way. :)
 Archangel_07
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Posted: 6/29/2012 7:01:15 PM
I've watched guys at the gym try to pick up girls only to piss them off. They are never rude or crude. They're always polite it's just their looks and delivery are lacking not to mention they don't read body language well. Why? Lack of experience.
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Well some people need to study up on reading body language. It'll go a long way. Before I EVEN approach any woman. I read out her body language and see what she is saying. She doesn't even have to say anything and still tell you to **** off silently using her expressions on her face or the way she is doing something to tell you something and that alone says a lot.
 indigo1357
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Posted: 6/29/2012 7:34:02 PM
extrtemely well written explanation. I cant remember the last time a woman even looked me in the eyes on the street. They always look at the ground, have music in their ears, look away, and the majority of the time if they see me walking twoard them they cross the street and take the other sidewalk just to avoid passing by me. If you say hi to them they ignore you. If you get within 10 feet of them they literally turn around and walk away. If they are forced to talk to you in a manner other then business or socially acceptable way they talk to your feet.

Then they wonder why they arent meeting men.
 Tall-Italian-Prize-1980
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Posted: 6/29/2012 9:04:51 PM
SHAPES is a ladies only gym, where you won't feel so sickened by man complimenting you lol what a horrible thing to have to expierience lol poor u ! u should be happy n thankful men find u cute, at least they arent approaching u saying u disgust me, that would actually suck 4 u.
 GurugiGets
Joined: 6/1/2012
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Posted: 6/29/2012 11:46:25 PM
Gyms should give out free colored towels or wristbands that clearly indicate that one is not in the mood to be picked up on.

Read your contract, maybe you can sue after the third time says you rock that ponytail.
 RachelGirl123
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Posted: 6/30/2012 3:00:27 PM
Gyms should give out free colored towels or wristbands that clearly indicate that one is not in the mood to be picked up on.

Read your contract, maybe you can sue after the third time says you rock that ponytail.


I think the wristband is a great idea. Just like communism it would only work in theory.

I have a tshirt that says please don't talk to me; I could wear it daily and maybe just maybe people would get the hint.


I have a couple of thoughts on this, first; had the man that approached the OP been a handsome sexy guy she was attracted to, this would be a non-issue.
Second; if anyone is attracted to someone they only see in one place, they don't have much of a choice as to where to approach them if they want to get to know them.
And lastly, I think the OP will be on here complaining how no guys approach her once her looks and figure fade as time takes it's toll on her.


You people just infer that he was an unattractive male. No, I don't care if it's the hottest guy in the gym, it was uncalled for and creepy.


You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The Facts of Life, the Facts of Life.


Wow! A theme song for this post. Nice, maybe I'll download and listen to it while I'm running, and ignoring creeps.
 Gwendolyn2010
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Posted: 6/30/2012 3:34:32 PM

Gwendolyn this goes back to my post in msg 93. When and where is going to be a good time to meet someone of the opposite sex? [. . .] Not too long ago I was doing some work around the house and had to run to Home Depot. I could have easily kept my dirty shorts and shirt on to run in to get what I needed. But what I did was put on a clean pair of shorts, clean shirt, washed my hands and face and headed out because I was giving myself a chance to look presentable in case I saw someone there I may want to say hello to even though I went there focused on getting the things I needed to fix my house.


Looking for the opportunity is not the problem! The problem is that some men (and perhaps some women) can’t seem to recognize when it is appropriate to make the approach or what to say while doing so. For me, if my nose is pressed against the screen of my laptop, it is not a good time to hit on me. If the OP is at the gym and is working out, it is not a good time to interfere. When a man won’t back off after being overtly discouraged OR he says something that is inappropriate, the situation speaks for itself.


This makes me laugh because sooo many men just lack any self awareness. It's really just to easy to tell when to stay away and when it's ok to advance. I have a very strong radar for gauging these type of things and it's all just to easy for me and wish I could pass it along to other guys.
Rule 1: Just because a girl smiles when you stare at her on the treadmill doesn't mean she is inviting you to a conversation while she is 20 minutes into her 50 minute cardio session.
Rule 2: If she isn't making eye contact with you, it's on purpose, don't try and provoke her to make eye contact with you and then assume that she is into you, idiot!
Rule 3: There are plenty of mirrors, she knows what she looks like, don't go yelling out about her booty or other voluptuous parts and slappin hands with your bro's thinking that's going to work.
Rule 4: Do your ****ing workout and don't bother anyone, especially if there wearing headphones. When in doubt just do your ****ing work out.


This works for other places, as well!


SHAPES is a ladies only gym, where you won't feel so sickened by man complimenting you lol what a horrible thing to have to expierience lol poor u ! u should be happy n thankful men find u cute, at least they arent approaching u saying u disgust me, that would actually suck 4 u.


So, I should stop shopping at coed stores, too? Is there an all-female grocery store where I can shop? How about thrift stores, flea markets, and restaurants? I was at Walmart last week and saw my boyfriend there. We chatted, exchanged a quick kiss, and I went into the fabric department. When I came out, a man who had observed us in the other aisle was sitting in a chair set up for a display for a summer outing. He said to me, “I saw you standing back there stroking, squeezing, and feeling up that fabric.” I would have been flabbergasted, but this has happened to me once too often from me to be surprised at what ANY man will say to a woman whom he doesn’t know. He proceeded to ask if the man I had been talking to was my boyfriend/husband and if he “could get the job done.”

I have my own way of dealing with these idiots: I verbally emasculate them. Yup, I could have kept on walking, but I didn’t. I asked him why he thought it was appropriate to ask me such questions and I made a few comments about his ability to do anything due to his age (old men are as bad as young men). After a few minutes of listening to me, he had enough. I do doubt that he will speak to me again if he sees me, but I am sure that he will approach other women in the same inappropriate manner.

I am almost 60 years old. I am a college instructor. I am not some young bimboette strutting my stuff in public. I like sincere compliments, but I am not amused or complimented by men who use sexual innuendo or explicit sexual comments to get my attention.

Saying to a woman, “I like how your body looks” is not appropriate. There are other ways for a man to let a woman know that he finds her attractive.



 crazyheart2012
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Posted: 6/30/2012 3:45:44 PM
I think being complimented in real life is awesome. Say thanks and give him your number. Lol So few men have the guts to do this anymore, hence Online Dating Sites.
 supplygoodguy
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:01:17 AM

After reading this about carrying weapons, stalking, I really feel for guys who struggle talking and meeting women. You could get a weapon at you, or stalking charges....


The art of sociality isn't what I am implying in my comments ... and to believe we live in a world where there isn't any threats to personal safety via assault or death is naive and uninformed .. the more informed a women is on knowledge of how to protect herself the more empowered. It takes the same neuro responses to commit acts of violence as it does to protect ourselves this is now known science, it requires courage to either protect or attack .. ask a soldier.. .. so when a woman believes she can protect herself and packs not only the right attitude but also the right knowledge then she is armed... and on this planet .. YOU BETCHA SHE SHOULD ..
Why do men not get that protectionism is foremost and any guy that hops over to immediately initiate conversation at a gym already appears creepy, now this might be harmless or it also might not be.. anyway it's time for men to stop thinking that women are there to socialize with them or vice versa... if you can't read body language of "f-Off " on a woman's face then you clearly haven't ever been in a relationship past a cup of coffee .. social graces.. social faces..My daughter says that the more physically fit a person is the less likelihood you see that type of behaviour...serious fitness athletes don't spend too much time worrying about visual onlookers.. and if a guy is looking for a victim he won't find one in a physically fit person.....mind and body language is foremost most deny they own that .. the inauthentic self can deny that but the body via the brain will tell all about the authentic self. yep..
 Capn_America
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:12:58 AM

And lastly, I think the OP will be on here complaining how no guys approach her once her looks and figure fade as time takes it's toll on her.



HAHA, this really cracks me up.
Sometimes, I feel like I entered the Twilight Zone when I put in my username and password...

How much does a gym cost, in your area? IN my area, a one year thing is between 400-600 hundreds dollars. If you go to the more expensive one, with a program, its around 1000-1200 dollars yearly...
How much does a drink in a bar cost now? 7, 8 bucks?
If I want to do social, I certainly will NOT do it in a gym, I want to get my freaking money`s worth. Any girl who`d approach me wouldnt go beyond a smile and a thank you. If she starts houding me I`ll probvably roll her up on a bar and bench press her
 im_a_rockstar
Joined: 12/29/2011
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Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym?
Posted: 7/4/2012 8:13:58 AM

any guy that hops over to immediately initiate conversation at a gym already appears creepy,


And what makes the gym so magically different than literally every other place in public?

Again, welcome to reality. Most people DON'T use dating sites to meet other people. Most people meet other people by OMG TALKING TO THEM.

There is really something wrong with this website.
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 296
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Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym?
Posted: 7/4/2012 8:29:34 AM
It's funny how so many women object to being talked to in a gym, when they are in their sweats, with no make-up on and their hair isn't fixed up. But like the attention when they go somewhere where they are all fixed up, wearing sexy clothes and their hair and make-up is up to snuff. It should be a compliment if someone finds a woman attractive when she looks at her worst instead of only looking attractive when she's all dolled up.
 MDIYM59
Joined: 1/30/2012
Msg: 297
Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym?
Posted: 7/4/2012 11:37:01 AM

Sometimes, I feel like I entered the Twilight Zone when I put in my username and password.


It is the Twilight Zone, don't you know Capt, lol. Besides my point is the OP comes across to me as someone that will complain about little things that wouldn't bother most people. Not to mention guys will approach her where and whenever they feel like it, at 31 yo she should already know this. Does she have to like it? No, but is writing a post about it going to stop people who aren't on POF from doing it, probably not. So this is just a rant on her part, I hope she feels better now. And I stand by my feeling that had it been a guy she wanted to know, this would be a non-issue.

Some people are willing to meet Mr/Mrs Right where and whenever the opportunity presents itself. Some aren't, to each their own, isn't that the way it should be? Or do we all have to live by others rules? I don't and won't, sorry.

Oh, in my city, memberships start at 120 a year and go up from there. Just so you know.
 Capn_America
Joined: 10/6/2011
Msg: 298
Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym?
Posted: 7/4/2012 11:43:29 AM

And I stand by my feeling that had it been a guy she wanted to know, this would be a non-issue.



FINALLY COMMON SENSE! I agree lol. It was just venting on her part. I feel the same, but I don't usually need to share my pain with all my fellow forumites, I just deal with it


Oh, in my city, memberships start at 120 a year and go up from there. Just so you know.


Not sure I want to....lol.
I went at a big gym chain here a few years ago, guy goes on his sales pitch, telling me "you know, going to the gym is a decision; its either a trip down south per year, or a gym for a year...". I'm like are you F******* ME MAN? I managed to find one at 200 bucks, but I think someone is really laughing in people's faces with these things....
 moraima
Joined: 6/26/2005
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Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym?
Posted: 7/4/2012 12:01:50 PM
"FINALLY COMMON SENSE! I agree lol. It was just venting on her part. I feel the same, but I don't usually need to share my pain with all my fellow forumites, I just deal with it "

Maybe OP was just venting.

However, what about the other people like myself, who don't like being approached by anyone they don't know in public?

I don't believe that we live in an on demand world where others have the right to expect us to give them our attention.
It is as annoying as spam mail and phone calls from people trying to sell us something. In this case, the person is trying to sell themselves to us.

There are many thread about "why don't people answer my messages", with many answers of "no answer is an answer" and means no interest.

The amount of demand for things we aren't interested in in this world is overwhelming some days.

Sure we can say "not interested in your attention". But then the person trying to get our attention will vent in silence or out loud.
 cr4zycupcake
Joined: 5/24/2012
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Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym?
Posted: 7/4/2012 12:08:25 PM
get over it mate, so what.
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