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| | Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym?Page 3 of 21 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21) | I thought I was good at acting like a b* wherever I go. Seriously ..." I notice you come here alot " that's so weird. I don't notice anyone when I'm in the zone. I'm focused on calories and muscle. IF you accept the "old-fashioned" cultural idea that men ALWAYS have to make the first move, they always must take the initiative wherever, and you have NEVER or only rarely ever approached an attractive man to make conversation, then it seems your complaint about being "bothered" by certain men following that generally accepted by both genders default sex-role plan (even though executed a bit insensitively in that instance) is "lame"..
Simple solution is to wear those ear-buds or a fake wedding ring and not make any eye-contact with anyone IF you are soo focused on your workouts that a few words from a fellow exerciser makes you "bothered".
Good to exercise well and eat low-cal high nutrition foods. Try adopting an indifferent but I'm OK - You're OK attitude instead of tryin to act like a b* wherever you go... That new relaxed indifference may just allow you to enjoy whatever you are doing, wherever you are much better than stressing out because someone said anything to you or "noticed" you...
On a lighter note for a laugh watch one of the original "Dawn of the Dead" series flicks, where after some zombies have invaded an old farm house in the middle of nowhere with the TV on showing an exercise video, all the zombies get mesmerized by the Jane Fonda types doing those exercise/dance routines in spandex...
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 9:17:27 AM |
Seriously ..." I notice you come here alot " that's so weird. I don't notice anyone when I'm in the zone. I'm focused on calories and muscle.
Everyone works out differently.
I used to be a bit of gym rat when I was younger. 2-2.5 hours in the gym, 5 days a week, rotating reps, sets, and alternating cardio/aerobics.
I saw all kinds. Most would come in, do their 20-30 minutes and want to get the heck out.
I tended to be more paced. Intense bursts with short breaks in between. Alternating/rotating strength, twitch, joint and aerobic and anaerobic cardio. This left considerable time sometimes. Sometimes I was waiting on equipment to free up, or classes to start, or liquids to assimilate, or my heart rate to cool down.
You can do alot of people watching in that time, and I saw all types. Some people didn't want to be approached, some did. Some only wanted to be approached during cool downs/breaks, others only at the end of their work outs, and some not at all.
Why should people who do not want to be approached have to change gyms or their work habits? Why should those who DO want to be approached or approach others change theirs?
It's never black and white. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 9:20:03 AM | Don't allow the guy to keep you from going to the gym. Simply go and have your workout and leave. I use an ipod and earphones while I workout and I'm oblivious to things around me most of the time.
Even though is was UNinvited, I would also encourage not dressing hot. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 9:21:58 AM | | They are probably stuck in a 1980's mind set where for awhile, the gym was being touted as the new singles bar. This is one reason as to why I don't belong to a gym and I hate exercising in front of others. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 9:24:23 AM |
I do believe you just implied she was asking for it, Petunia.
Like it or not there is a certain amount of attention seeking going on by women at the gym and when they are not getting the kind of attention they want then they complain - sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. Yes it is wrong for guys to make unwelcome advances but dressing sexy at the gym is going to attract some of that.
This reminds me of a the Vancouver office of a company I worked for. This blonde bomshell of a secretary wore a very short dress with her boobs hanging out the top. Her desk with her seated there was the first thing you saw when you came in the door and she was on a direct line of site of the office managers desk. She filed sexual harrassment charges again the office manager because of a few remarks he made and because she repededly caught him staring at her. When you came into the office if was pretty difficult to not look at her chest or legs as it was front and center for all to see as - but no one ever stipulated that she wear something a little more appropriate to the office or make her desk a little less conspicuous. Both parties were guilty in my mind not just him.
Women who go to the gym all dolled up in thier sexy little outfits are going to attract attention from men and not all of the attention is going to be desirable or welcome. Women who go there in baggy old sweats with no make up and hair not looking like they came out of a salon who are focused on thier routine and do not look around the gym attracting eye contact while they rest between exercises are not as likely get hit on by guys. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 9:45:59 AM | They are probably stuck in a 1980's mind set where for awhile, the gym was being touted as the new singles bar.
LOL Who said it was in the 1980's? Look at what's going on in there today.... Or rather, let me put it differently; how many profiles, men or women, have you guys(and I mean guys in the sense of the broad, general men AND women sense lol) seen where it stipulates "Must take care of themselves/exercise/not be a homebody" or different variations of it? Now, where do you think a nice proportion of those people get that ideas, or meet their new partners? Yup, at the gym. A lot easier to go out with a dude with a good body if you recruit at the gym. Same goes for the ladies. So really, it's not very surprising. It pisses me off, because I go there TO TRAIN and these guys are hogging everything or get in the way talking to the cute girl, but its not surprising. lol | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 9:53:05 AM | I remember back in the "olden days" when the lame Olivia Newton John "Let's get physical" song was popular on and women used to don Jane Fonda leotards, leggings, hair sprayed within an inch of its life, and full make up.
I can see your point, Capn, but still, some people just don't want to be bugged at the gym, they just come on here to brag about their physical condition, hence the must get off the couch, be willing to sky dive and bench press 400 along with them. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 9:55:44 AM |
can see your point, Capn, but still, some people just don't want to be bugged at the gym, they just come on here to brag about their physical condition, hence the must get off the couch, be willing to sky dive and bench press 400 along with them.
Umm, I know, I was agreeing with you, I don't want to be bugged either and dont understand guys who do. Maybe my english wasnt the best on this one? LOL. I'm simply stating the WHY it happens. I don't agree with it, its just not surprising it does. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:03:52 AM |
Good to exercise well and eat low-cal high nutrition foods. Try adopting an indifferent but I'm OK - You're OK attitude instead of tryin to act like a b* wherever you go...
I believe the OP tried that approach by smiling and walking away from his inappropriate comments to a woman he had never met and in a public place. In fact, she was non-combative and well-mannered and very lady like in her handling of the situation. The I'm OK-You're OK attitude doesn't work on men who don't know how to act like gentlemen.
However, if he approaches her again with more of the inappropriate comments.........I would highly recommend she knee punch him in the groin..............now that's being a biatch and it certainly would be some real biatching pain for him to contend with. I'm not sure that those type of men ever learn how to act gentlemanly towards women in a public place.
Like it or not there is a certain amount of attention seeking going on by women at the gym and when they are not getting the kind of attention they want then they complain - sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. Yes it is wrong for guys to make unwelcome advances but dressing sexy at the gym is going to attract some of that.
Every man has his own individual and personal idea of what dressing sexy is...............it's not the same for every man. My friend was told that she would look sexy in a floor length burlap sack dress, because she was blessed with a great looking body. What the hell are us women to do?................should we all start wearing Burkas too. When the hell are you men going to GET IT??..............a sexual predator is a SEXUAL PREDATOR and there is nothing gentlemanly about a sexual predator. Give me a break, please...........don't you blokes have mothers, sisters and young daughters that have to listen to your clap-trap crap!!! | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:06:11 AM | BLoNde__ANgeL:
How about replying: "thank you, my husband who was a navy seal & bench presses 300 lbs. likes the way I look too!"
Don’t forget to add that he’s waiting out in the parking lot for you with the 9 millimeter and the Doberman. 
I quit going to gyms a long time ago. The traveling, other people’s sweat all over the equipment, ogling goons, germ infested showers….what’s good about it? I used the money I would have wasted on a gym membership for home equipment. Faster, easier, closer to my own shower, no creepy peepers. Wahlah! | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:06:17 AM | OK... In the rest of the world outside of PoF, people meet each other out in public places.
Men are going to approach women everywhere. If you see someone you're interested in the gym, you're not going to wait to see if you run into them in a grocery story, you're going to go talk to them.
Welcome to dating in the real world. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:14:18 AM |
Trying to meet and approach young women in the US often feels awkward and rude, as if you are violating some type of boundary. They prefer not to acknowledge your existence if you’re not in their clique. They are among the most cliquish, closed, and anti-stranger women in the world, and emanate an “unapproachable force field” around them. This anti-stranger force field/bubble says to men, "Don't mess with me. I'm unapproachable. I don't talk to strangers. If I don't know you, you have no business talking to me unless you are lost and need directions.” (Unless of course, you are or look like Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt.). You can sense some kind of shield as if you are violating some type of boundary. If they find out that you are speaking to them for purposes other than asking directions, they suddenly get defensive, upset, and act as though you’ve violated their boundaries. Attempting to penetrate their bubble elicits a negative response which causes an energy drain on men that discourages them from trying again. That’s why most guys in the US don’t have the guts to approach women. It’s unnatural, creepish, anxiety-provoking, discouraging and usually leads to no real result. What many guys, especially the ones involved in the PUA (Pick Up Artist) movement don't understand about the fear of approaching women is that the reason they are afraid is not because they lack guts. It's because they can sense that the girls they want to meet do NOT want to be approached, so that to do so would be rude and violating. Not to say that there are no friendly women in America, but there is definitely something peculiar that makes them and Americans in general unnaturally closed and paranoid. So the main problem is that they won’t meet you if they don’t know you, but yet you can’t get to know them cause they won’t meet you, thus creating a CLOSED LOOP against someone who wants to meet them. And that just plain sucks, to put it simply.
In fact, it’s widely agreed among well-traveled playboys that the US has among the most unapproachable and anti-social women in the world.
What sucks about America, despite its many ideal qualities, is that the only truly friendly open women are the large ones, while the non-overweight ones are generally stuck-up and unapproachable (though in many areas, such as LA, even ugly girls are rude and uppity).
On the other hand, in the rest of the world, women feel flattered and react warm and sweetly when you approach them, whether they are interested or not, whether they are available or not. They don’t get offended or see it as creepish. Many often giggle or blush in the process (how many American women nowadays blush or giggle?). In fact, the difference in approachability is greater than the average American who’s never left their country can imagine. Even if you approach a female movie star, model, or married woman in Russia, she never gets offended or defensive at your initiation like American women do, so you never feel like you are a creep for the attempt. It’s a total refreshing contrast. That’s how “real women” are, and it’s truly feminine. Basically, a guy is allowed to be himself abroad, rather than suppress who he is. But most guys reading this wouldn’t know this difference until you’ve left the Puritanical “Matrix” of the US, otherwise you have nothing to compare to.
To try to put it into words, an approachable girl looks at ease, relaxed, open and friendly. It's in her face, body language and aura too. She makes eye contact with others, smiles back at people, and has an open body posture. An unapproachable girl, on the other hand, has a closed narrow vibe and look on her face. She is uptight, serious, focused, does not make eye contact with others, and has a "don't bother me" look on her face. When you try to muster the courage to talk to her, you will feel a cold chill and an alarm will go off in you that says, "DO NOT! NOT ALLOWED! INAPPROPRIATE!" It has nothing to do with guts or bravery at all.”
Hmmmm, this is a very interesting post. I rarely approach women IRL simply because they look like they don't want to be bothered.
Back to the original topic, OP maybe you should try wearing headphones? Most women who don't want to be bothered wear headphones(you don't even have to play music through them lol). | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:18:46 AM |
I quit going to gyms a long time ago. The traveling, other people’s sweat all over the equipment, ogling goons, germ infested showers….what’s good about it? I used the money I would have wasted on a gym membership for home equipment. Faster, easier, closer to my own shower, no creepy peepers. Wahlah!
There's plenty of reasons for using a gym vs buying home gym equipment. The availability of personal trainers, a wide variety of equipment, and organized classes for activities are among the most obvious.
Psychologically speaking, it's easier to maintain a fitness regimen when you are being continually charged for it vs a lump sum. While non-completion rates on gym memberships are high, non use rates on purchased equipment is significantly higher.
You look at the piece of equipment in your garage and go, "Maybe next week". You look at the membership in your wallet and say, "Hrm, best get my money's worth". Similarly, it's easier to complete a workout regimen when you're in a crowd of people. While folks really aren't watching you, you're always aware that if you just sit around for 60 minutes someone might notice that you're not working out.
Similarly, you're more likely to push yourself when you see other people work out hard. You're doing reps and on the verge of collapse, the next guy does it at triple the weight and barely breaks a sweat... it makes you self-conscious of your shortcomings.
Personally, I found that I don't work out effectively and consistently without a trainer. I just don't push myself hard enough, and I find it too easy to find an excuse to skip a day at the gym. That's just understanding how I work. I tend to prioritize things, which means if I'm busy, it's easy for me to push it to the backburner. A set appointment with a trainer plays to my sense of responsibility. I'm not only wasting my time but another person's as well, so I tend to plan my time around it better.
So yes, there's lots of good reasons for someone to use a gym. Not for everyone, but for alot of people. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:25:47 AM | " Am I the only one bothered by this. I go to the gym to escape. I go alone for a reason. I run to forget my troubles, but I can't stand it when creeps stare. This man told me today "I see you come here a lot, I like the way you workout, I like the way your body looks". I smiled and walked away. Isn't there proper gym etiquette? I hate to be bothered there, now I feel uncomfortable going. "
At least the opposite sex is noticing you. I'd give my left nut to get attention and compliments from women out of the blue. Only time that happens to me is about once every few months and from a female friend. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:32:05 AM | | There's no getting around it as long as you are out there in the public, unless you stay inside your house all the time. People are going approach everywhere and say what's on their mind. It comes down to how YOU OP are going to deal with it. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:32:18 AM |
OP maybe you should try wearing headphones? Most women who don't want to be bothered wear headphones(you don't even have to play music through them lol).
I find suggestions like the above totally ridiculous-saying women should go in disguise to avoid being talked to. People are so addicted to their cell phones, hearing a human voice is becoming obsolete and is considered a nuisance.
Women want it both ways. They want to be in a void without human interaction at times, but at other times, they come onto places like POF to get attention and weed through the dozens of e-mails in search of Mr. Perfect and welcome bids by any potential Mr. Right. Two blocks away, at the local gym or store, they put up walls to keep the human race away. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:33:09 AM | I suggest politely educating people who are as crass as those mentioned in the OP. Smiling and saying thanks to a meaningful compliment is one thing ("I saw you bench 350; wow, congrats), but simply being polite when someone is inappropriate does nothing. Educating them might not do any good either, but at least you tried. Depending on the type of comment, I might say anything ranging from, "Wow; that's inappropriate and I do not appreciate being approached during my workout," to "I consider that sexual harrassment and I will be reporting you."
Although I too resented those comments when I was younger, I learned to take them as a chance to practice assertiveness. Soon the resentment faded and I became more confident.
Not all men (or women) can read body language and see if their approach would be welcome or not. I will take the trouble to train my students about this, but not perfect strangers. So I gauge my response based on what they actually say--again, if it is polite and thoughtful, I respond in kind. If they attempt to continue the conversation and I'm not interested, I just say, "I really want to focus on my work out; excuse me."
Learning to deal with all sorts of people while remaining calm, polite, and assertive will serve you well your whole life. We can debate endlessly whether people "should" or "should not" interrupt another's workout (of course not, IMHO) but the reality is that they will. Just like a co-worker may constantly disrupt your work, or a friend may start taking advantage of your kindness. Being able to stand up for your self with the correct degree of politeness you want (or don't want) is an art that simply needs to be practiced. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:37:19 AM | I don't think many of us have disagreed with that the example the OP gave was inappropriate.
This man told me today "I see you come here a lot, I like the way you workout, I like the way your body looks
but the title of this thread is "Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym?"
Who says we do? I go to the gym during the winter months and I'm there just like everybody else I see. To work out and move on. If this is a problem for women in general than I guess I was too busy working out to notice. I've never heard any women I know complain about it, in fact the only times I have heard about socializing at a gym from my women friends, it has been positive.
IMO - I don't think it is appropriate for men or women to bother people anywhere. Not just the gym. Then it gets into ones definition of bothering someone. Is asking for the time of day a bother? Some lines are easily seen, but others are not.
There are just so many people petrified of talking to another person as it is these days. Attitudes like this might make some people afraid to say Hi to a member of the opposite sex anywhere. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:40:43 AM | What it comes down to is not everyone comes to PoF to meet people. Actually, the majority of people don't come to PoF to meet people.
This is just how it happens in the real world, and how it's happened for the thousands of years that people have existed.
If you don't want the risk of being approached in public, then just don't go out in public. Or find a guy that you're friends with to bring with you.
You have to understand... People have to meet SOMEWHERE | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:43:19 AM | You should follow a certain protocol for talking to (bothering) a lady at the gym
Obviously, if a lady is giving you signals (smiling, etc) it's probably safe to talk to her
Otherwise, leave them alone. Focus on getting yourself in shape, that's the point right? | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:47:57 AM | I work at home alone most of the time so being out around people is a welcome thing for me... and I think if someone "disturbed me" to mention I had a great looking body I'd be a bit taken aback, but it wouldn't ruin my day by any means.
Maybe the guy was a bit too forward, yeah, but the OP sounds kind of grumpy to me. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:56:27 AM | I go to a tiny gym because it's appointment only with a personal trainer. There are four of us working out (at the most) at any given time.........three trainers own the place.
I chose to go there because I hate working out. If I didn't have a personal trainer to be accountable to......I wouldn't do it. So KUDOS to those of you that work out on your own. I'd rather go to brunch.
I read something today that I thought was hilarious........... "I thought working out became addictive? It SURE isn't like cigarettes!". Chuckle, chuckle!! :)
I understand what the OP is saying. I decided on a gym like this after having "joined" many others (throughout the years) and experiencing a lot of what the OP is talking about.......or at least a little. There is a time and a place........and the gym AIN'T it!
I have absolutely NO idea what Roger, msg. 4 is saying?? If you're such an international playboy.........keep flying around the globe!! With all your consenus taking how do you have time for POF?
My trainer gets on me all the time for showing up looking the way I do.........he's not suggesting I wear make-up or "do my hair" but he DOES suggest I buy more "flattering" work out clothes. I wear baggy t's, rotate between the same three pairs of yoga pants, and have really ugly tennis shoes that are a size too big because my personal-trainer-triathalon (I can't even spell it)-participating-personal coach-sister sent them to me free! They were given to her by one of her sponsors.........and yes, they are ugly and too big.
I go to the gym to work out and to continue to annoy my trainer with how bad I look.
OP: Any chance you could find such a gym? Where it's SMALL and appointment only? I'm guessing you don't need that type of motivation because you're going to a gym on your own.........but........wanted to throw that out there.......just a thought. | |
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| Why do men think it is okay to bother ladies at the gym? Posted: 6/27/2012 10:57:52 AM |
Women want it both ways.
Taken out of context, this sounds very suspiscious 
They want to be in a void without human interaction at times, but at other times, they come onto places like POF to get attention and weed through the dozens of e-mails in search of Mr. Perfect and welcome bids by any potential Mr. Right. Two blocks away, at the local gym or store, they put up walls to keep the human race away.
I think the mentality of this is all wrong. I understood long ago that women want to show off their bodies when they are cute. On the other hand, so do men. I mean, if you look good, WHO WOULDNT? The point is, however, that even if you see a gorgeous woman in a skinny outfit trainning, its not a pretext to walk up to her and offer a bang... Rather, let me illustrate what I mean by an example. Let`s say your a pie freak (the EDDIBLE pie, you dirty people you LOL) and walk in front of a store and see THE single most gorgeous piece of strawberry pie you have EVER seen in your entire life. But you have no money in your pocket. Is that an excuse to break the window and absolutely eat the pie? It's still a bad thing. Your still breaking the law, and if it doesnt work out, you'll look like a fool. The same way a tasty looking pie shouldnt necessarily be eaten (what if she belongs to the 6'8 300 pound muscled walking wall over there, you REALLY gonna steal his plate?lol) so women who are gorgeous and not doing anything even remotely close to trying to pick up someone, shouldnt necessarily be bothered. As for the wisdom to know the difference, well...some people will never have it. | |
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