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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/29/2012 1:25:38 PM | ^ followed with: i'm sorry
wot? revolt against a theo-con PM who openly declares his faith in christianity and that god will take
of the urf? um, yeah
Harper's Canada would abolish gay marriage, re-institute the death penalty, make abortion illegal
and not chip away at gender equality but take a sledge hammer to it..
He has muzzled/gagged the CBC, Minister of Fisheries and our scientistific community, who/what's next?
climate change documents? ... nevermind, he did that as well
we burned the city after a hockey loss, anything is possible | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/29/2012 2:33:12 PM |
Harper's Canada would abolish gay marriage, re-institute the death penalty, make abortion illegal...
My, my.. It's odd however, how Harper has been PM for some time and we have gay marriage, legal abortion and there is no death penalty. No bills even in the drafting stage to achieve some nefarious agenda.
Is there a secret Harper cabal that gets together and plots to destroy the country? Are there waves of Bush neo-con advisors stored in secret rooms in the basement of Parliament?
I didn't vote for the guy but I find him 'ok' as PM. I find it amusing how extremist whackos on both the left and the right find extremism 'of the other guy' under every rock. | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/29/2012 3:19:47 PM | I didn't vote for the guy but I find him 'ok' as PM. I find it amusing how extremist whackos on both the left and the right find extremism 'of the other guy' under every rock.
i'm sure Lockheed Martin thinks he's "ok" as well, here's some perspective for those that think he's "ok"
"the cost of one F35 could pay to hire 1,400 nurses in Canada for a year. A contribution of 1/6th of the cost of the F35s or 1/5th of the annual defence budget could provide free tuition to all post secondary students across the country for a year. $2 Billion alone would retrofit all homes in Alberta needing energy efficiency upgrades, lowering emissions, and creating up to 22,000 direct and indirect jobs."
now that's extremism x65 | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/29/2012 3:48:42 PM |
"the cost of one F35 could pay to hire 1,400 nurses in Canada for a year. A contribution of 1/6th of the cost of the F35s or 1/5th of the annual defence budget could provide free tuition to all post secondary students across the country for a year. $2 Billion alone would retrofit all homes in Alberta needing energy efficiency upgrades, lowering emissions, and creating up to 22,000 direct and indirect jobs."
Just substitute long gun registry for F35 and you've got the same complaiint for the last liberal government we had. At least with this "boondoggle" we'd have an upgraded military for years to come that may actually prove to be useful some day rather than, well, a list of people who don't commit crimes. | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/29/2012 5:19:34 PM | I'm not a big fan of the long gun registry myself, but my sister in law is a cop, and she liked it. It was useful for her and the cops she worked with. So, even though it cost too much, I still defer to her on this. I'm not putting my life on the line - she does.
But, the long gun registry is a tiny fraction of even the cost overruns on the F35's. There's just no comparison. Meanwhile they are shutting down the busiest Coast Guard Station in the country here in Vancouver in order to save......$900,000. The Tories are pretty much the epitome of penny wise and pound foolish. | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/29/2012 5:47:32 PM | but my sister in law is a cop, and she liked it. It was useful for her and the cops she worked with
The chief of police in my city hated it. He made a great point in saying that if any of his officers approached a house that didn't have a registered gun owner living there any differently than if it did, he would have no choice but to fire them on the spot. Knowing that a registered gun owner isn't at any given address is of absolutely no practical value to cops and is in fact a very dangerous tool.
But, the long gun registry is a tiny fraction of even the cost overruns on the F35's. There's just no comparison.
It's a good thing then that the government hasn't signed the contract to aquire these aircraft and has frozen the funds in place to do so and has shelved the processs until costs can be determined. So in that sense you're right. There is no comparison. One happpened, one didn't. Puzzling but I suppose contrarians need something to grab on to.
anybody that thinks this government is giving anyone a tax cut is stupid
He just cut the gst by 2%, something the last liberal government promised but failed to do. This gives everyone a tax cut immediately. If people who think they got a tax cut are stupid....and everyone got a tax cut....what does this make you? | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 5:52:08 AM |
They are totally cheap, easy and thoughtless. If you want, you could compare the last liberal government of Canada directly to Hitler because they created a gun registery program....one of the first things Hitler did when coming to power in the early thirties.
The gun registry was stupidity. That comparison isn't too bright either. The Liberals put it in to make it look like they were taking steps against crime to appease interest groups and egos. Hitler put his in partly due to a treaty forcing him to reduce his military power after WWI. He exploited that treaty to ensure "subject races" didn't have guns because the persecuted will inevitably fight back. You will not find me defending the gun registry seeing how NS is now losing jobs to NB so that those gun registry employees there can have jobs now that it's gone. This, as we wait for Harper to sign off on our ship building contract and are now in danger of losing portions of it due to the time its taking. More jobs gone.
It's Hitler's reasoning behind the gun registry why I draw comparisons. If you remove ethics, compassion, sustainability, fairness and empathy for other races/groups....his decision made logical sense. Hitler came to power at a time there was a collapse going on and people were looking for extreme solutions and someone to blame. With economics such a priority in everyone's minds it's more important now than ever to protect designated groups, immigrants and the poor because they will become targets when its not them that's causing the problems. The issues you see are just symptoms of a problem they have no control over. Extreme measures taken don't improve the situation but just serve to reduce their capacity and breed apathy because they feel persecuted. Normal people go along with it because they are tense and stressed and survival instincts are kicking in. They are not ensuring their survival though, rather the opposite. Meanwhile their action oriented leader is busy consolidating their power instead of working on the root issues.
I am EXTREMELY concerned about the policies impacted designated groups and immigrants. Most defy logic and will not help Canada's economy. Corporations who receive government grants have been recording employment demographics for years and despite the benefits they themselves will acknowledge (it was the federal process involved that pissed them off - the government should have made this easier for them). Unless they are forced to employ employment equity...it will stop. Corporations are too concerned with annual goals as opposed to long term ones.
Its not just refuges that have been impacted by the new immigration policies. The program meant to attract immigrants who start businesses and hire Canadians has also been axed. How does that help??? Women who were on welfare but working and having those monies deducted from their cheque (saving me, as a tax payer, money and setting a good example for their children) just had their daycare budget clawed back that allowed them to work. How is this supposed to help???
There could be legal ramifications here. Harper wasn't able to change all the laws. We as Canadians may be on the hook for a big chunk of change liability wise due to systemic discrimination his policies are causing. Don't forget, we just paid out a big bunch of cash to Residential School Survivors and that was just one group. Not paying attention to human rights bites us in the arse whether you like it or not.
I recently heard a report about increased sick leave in the federal government since the cuts. I just shook my head that anyone is shocked by this. It happens in every organization that has poor morale. Civil servants are getting a lot of backlash over it instead of people realizing that statistically speaking its usually the employers fault due to providing a poor work environment. Getting new employees does not help the situation. You just get a high turn over rate and end up being less productive and spending more on training. It is another example of how our lack of empathy makes the situation worse.
My point is, we are in very dangerous territory when we let our deep-seeded biases rule our actions in times of economic uncertainties. It can not only lead to discrimination but we undermine ourselves in the process from reaching economic prosperity. We might see some highs but that bubble bursts and then we all suffer. | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 6:09:02 AM |
I am EXTREMELY concerned about the policies impacted designated groups and immigrants
You sem to have something to say but I really don't know what. Try some quotes or some links to the specific stuff you think doesn't work. It's one thing when you say it and another completely when you back it up with specifics and proof from real sources. Immigration is a huge issue with reems of legislation around it. What specifically catches your critical fancy? Same with your original statement on the environment. What specifically indicates to you that Harper is ruining our environment? | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 8:59:43 AM | Canada is having an imminent rebellion because the penny was abolished, the gun registry is half abolished and there is fudging of figures for the cost of our new fight jets....oh yes, forgot, closure of some lighthouses on both coasts.
Harper is from dastardly Alberta...the 'redneck' province in which the mayor of Calgary is a gay Muslim, the mayor of Edmontoin is a Jew.,the Premier is a woman and the leader of the Opposition is a woman. Casn't trust those bigoted Albertans! | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 9:02:40 AM | just agirl
Thank you for not going with a maple leaf pun, or I'd have to hurt you. Rather, in canadian fasion, I'd have to stare at you really meanly.
Then feel bad about it and apologize in Ned Flanders style. | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 9:43:15 AM | Harper is from dastardly Alberta...the 'redneck' province in which the mayor of Calgary is a gay Muslim, the mayor of Edmontoin is a Jew.,the Premier is a woman and the leader of the Opposition is a woman. Casn't trust those bigoted Albertans!
indeed a very forward thinking province . . just ask Calgary Catholic Bishop Fred Henry
iffin we gets those best evah flying over the arctic one engine stealth f35's, will they come
equipped with (long)gun racks on the back canopy? ... maruading moose ..an all
PS: half time, why would a port city and province boundaried by the Pacific Ocean need the coast guard... silly BCer's
Happy Birthday Canada! bestest country on urf ;) | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 10:50:15 AM | did anybody read the mc guill report on the f35's
they are no good in bellow 15c
the uk, canselled,
spain, canselled
italy canselled
and get this the us navy
is cancelling it f 35 orders( when confronted with this report, the dnds only comment was 'it will work'
it is not a good jet!
canada will be the only customer
protesters, make a that gives the police final say if and where a demo can take place
problems with the cops, pass a law
that would make it easy to get rid of cops that rat other ones out
auterity, on one hand crazy,spending, not seen since ww2 on the other...
will we rebel
no
but we will get rid of them soon enough | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 10:55:46 AM |
indeed a very forward thinking province . . just ask Calgary Catholic Bishop Fred Henry .
True...Alberta government told that religious whacko to take a hike. It's no coincidence that the rprovince with the highest per capita level of education also has the lowest church attendance and lowest religious affiliation. | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 11:14:29 AM |
Harper's Canada would abolish gay marriage, re-institute the death penalty, make abortion illegal...
"would" ? he's been PM since 2006 (Over 6 years) so what is he 'waiting for?
none of your alleged events have happened, Canada has legal gay marriage, no death penalty, and abortions occur freely..
do these evil plans of Harper's exist only in your paranoid dreams?
I'm not a big fan of the long gun registry myself, but my sister in law is a cop, and she liked it. It was useful for her and the cops she worked with. So, even though it cost too much, I still defer to her on this. I'm not putting my life on the line - she does.
hmm, so the 4 RCMP officers who approached the farm property of James Roszko near Mayerthorpe Alberta, on March 3, 2005, would check the long gun registry & see he had no registered long guns, then confidently approach a known wacko....and all be shot by his unregistered gun..a Heckler & Koch 91 semi-automatic rifle.
because of that false sense of confidence, 4 RCMP officers, Peter Schiemann, Anthony Gordon, Lionide Johnston, and Brock Myrol, ended up shot dead, and another, Cpl. Steve Vigor was wounded in an exchange of gunfire.. then Roszko killed himself.
I would think that the registry could only lead to a FALSE sense of confidence that there would be no guns at a house..the cops should approach EVERY situation as if the people there are potentially armed, registry or no registry
indeed a very forward thinking province . . just ask Calgary Catholic Bishop Fred Henry
about time these pederast-protecting mutants shut up about public policy anyway!
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 11:53:08 AM | do these evil plans of Harper's exist only in your paranoid dreams?
oh ... ouch, let me type clearly for you; he.would.if.he.could, that isn't someone i want as my PM, ( a gender equality bashing theo-con homophobe)
". . Harper has faced controversy since the run-up to the 2010 Muskoka G-8 summit over his plan to lead a push among G-8 countries to support maternal and child health projects in Africa. The controversy was over the absence of any provision for abortions in international-development programs. There’s a school of thought, to which U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton clearly belongs, which holds that unwanted pregnancies are a huge danger to women’s health in the developing world, and improving access to abortion is a necessary part of the solution."
The RCMP? *snort | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 1:37:40 PM | babblefish:
The controversy was over the absence of any provision for abortions in international-development programs.
I'm guessing you weren't able to find any instances of Harper actively trying to get rid of abortion in Canada... so the fact that he isn't actively pushing for abortions over in Africa makes him a bad guy?
^^^^Okay... what you're doing here?.... the insistance that people follow one line of thought... with a vague threat of violence thrown in?.... smacks of fascism. Wondering if you can see the irony, seeing as how the OP brought up comparisons to Hitler?
Aristotle:
great public programs like the CBC
And yet if the Canadian government was giving a billion dollars to Sun Media every year, you'd be screaming bloody murder. What's the difference? | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 1:45:58 PM | want to trtavel:
but we will get rid of them soon enough
Actually, no. We had a thing called an election not to long ago and the Cons have a majority government. I don't know who will win the next election (still a ways off) but the people will decide. Looking at the electoral map it will be difficult for anyone but the Cons to win especially since the NDP will probably lose seats in Quebec. Perhaps some type of Liberal/NDP coalition could get in. | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 1:48:56 PM | ??
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want to trtavel: ^
but we will get rid of them soon enough
Actually, no. We had a thing called an election not to long ago and the Cons have a majority government. I don't know who will win the next election (still a ways off) but the people will decide. Looking at the electoral map it will be difficult for anyone but the Cons to win especially since the NDP will probably lose seats in Quebec. Perhaps some type of Liberal/NDP coalition could get in.
but want to travel does not believe in `democracy `only if a gov`t he approves of is elected is it OK, otherwise, no | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 6/30/2012 6:46:10 PM | I recently heard a report about increased sick leave in the federal government since the cuts. I just shook my head that anyone is shocked by this. It happens in every organization that has poor morale. Civil servants are getting a lot of backlash over it instead of people realizing that statistically speaking its usually the employers fault due to providing a poor work environment. Getting new employees does not help the situation. You just get a high turn over rate and end up being less productive and spending more on training. It is another example of how our lack of empathy makes the situation worse.
Most of the employees in the fedgov are liberals.They hate Harper simply because he is a conservative from Alberta.I had a friend who was a contractor doing office renos in Ottawa.Kickbacks.Lazy employees blankly staring at computer screens.So there is a high turnover rate?BS.These people would actually have to work in the private sector and it would be for less money and benefits.You know that.
As for your moaning about the end of the long form census and the comparisons of Harper to Hitler,I might remind you that Hitler teamed up with IBM to get a very accurate picture of who was who,and where they were.Made his job a lot easier.
The one thing that I have disliked intensely was that bii brought forward to enable the authorities to observe you internet and email history without a warrant.This WOULD be abused...and badly.Toews got a good lesson. | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 7/1/2012 5:01:27 AM | from what i can see canada does not seem to be doing too badly as far
as nations go.
in the uk were are up shit creek and the paddles have been sold off.
i was just reading this on a football website about the odious tony blair
His total personal wealth, which includes a country house in Buckinghamshire and a town house in Mayfair, central London, as well as homes for his children, has been estimated at anywhere between £20million and £60million.
On his travels he tends to stay in hotel penthouse suites with an entourage including bodyguards paid for by the British taxpayer.
His friends include several billionaires, among them Rupert Murdoch.
Peter Kilfoyle, a former Labour minister who was Mr Blair’s campaign manager when he was elected Labour leader in 1994, but has since become a fierce critic, said: “I don’t know what he calls rich. Nobody has suggested he does have billions, but he is obsessed by money.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/9367302/Im-not-one-of-the-super-rich-says-Tony-Blair-despite-being-worth-20m-a-year-and-owningsix-homes.html
fvck me but politicians have no shame whatsoever. this arsehole would have had us in the eurozone as well and we would be akin to greece now
better watch what you wish for you might just end up with a greedy **stard like blair | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 7/1/2012 5:36:39 AM | christ
stupid, just so stupid
of course I believe in democracy
fool!!!
I Vote, I served this country, I am a Vet
so now I want a dictatorship lol
stupid!!!!!
as for anyone that wants to vote for that party, cool
it is your right,I just hope, the population, will be as fed up as I am, I am sure people will vote the conservatives out
everyone feels the pain,the crazy government spending, international loss of prestige, canada, once respect globally, is now at the very bottom of the developed nations, in human rights, environment,our safety net is being taken apart
laws are being pushed through, that is making this country a police state,economies is being shattered, housing buble is imminent,we don't even get our taxes back normally
I don't think there has ever been such a gang of stupid people in ottawa
it is not harper, but the party, a bunch of alberta red necks,who do not have the common sense of a rock
the neo nazi's from the reform party
I do think very good is going to come of this ,political disaster,(our current government), people will, be hurt so bad, that they may just demand accountability, from politicians in the future
we will , see just how important beng politically aware is,
all this damage will be repaired
WE Are CANADA
We will be once again be the HOPE OF THE WORLD!!!
happy birthday canada! | |
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| Anyone else notice that Canadians are starting to revolt?
Posted: 7/1/2012 7:23:43 AM | | Why can't anyone provide specific examples of all these grievances? Please show exactly how Canadians are the worst offenders of human rights in the world. Then show how our economy is shattered, proof of a housing bubble, how our record on the environment is the worst in the world and what the current government has to do with that. Why in the world would we would ever get our tax dol;ars returned to us is completely baffling. Maybe you could explain that one. I'm pretty sure when you investigate all the short comingss of the current government you'll realize a couple things. One, the patterns you're concerned about started with previous governments, ones you would have theoretically supported. And two, what you're really concerned about exists only in the "news of the world" beat which relates only marginally to reality. You may even realize that your best interests are being looked after and you don't even know it. | |
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