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VGE, IMO your "appearance" is drop dead gorgeous! Just wondering though about those referenced "carbs"?
Thank you ~ that certainly is appreciated, but I'd like to add, that I'd say the same about you. (And NO, we don't need to get a room for anyone who wants to suggest that.)  I'll try to send you an email re: carbs. I was shocked to learn the truth about that from a nutritionist I worked with when I told my personal trainer to STHU about 10 years ago because she was relentlessly trying to make me gain size. If I can't get through to you, please fav me and I'll send you the stuff I've archived about how carbs can help, not hinder. Not everyone believes it, just like some don't believe that women gain weight in their belly area due to carbs, yet gain it in their bottoms/thighs due to sugars. It's just what's made sense and works for me. Might be interesting reading, even if you don't agree with it. 
I eat virtually none having been among those taught that, (with the exception of quinoa which, although a carb is also high in protein) they are essentially as unhealthy as sugar. And why no coffee when recent studies are showing coffee's numerous health benefits?
Sugar is evil.  No coffee simply because the smell makes me feel like  So that means it's not going anywhere under my nose, such as my mouth. 
Hmmmmm. . . this may be getting off thread topic. Well, how about if I add the following: aren't 8 glasses of water commonly thought to be "health musts"? For one thing, adequate hydration promotes healthy skin?
Yep. I ran into an issue about 10 years ago with water though. I literally washed myself out of everything needed to survived. Two days in the hospital, I learned that 8 - 8 ounce glasses simply doesn't work for me. But I do believe that for most people, 8 is a good idea. Many people don't like to drink water, I had to "train" myself to do so and retrain once my little health issue/scare was fixed.
I am just wondering how many of "us" believe we look much younger then we are?
I don't believe I look younger. I have earned every single laugh line, every single frown is attached to something sorrowful/sad that happened in my life and the little line between my brows tells those stories. I've spent enough time in the sun to have residual effects (such as freckles and such) because that's living to me. I look like I'm alive when I look in the mirror. If I look 48 or even a tad older, I'm just fine with that. If someone thinks I look older, I probably do to them. But in my mirror? I look 48 to me because I've not seen me at 50+ ye, I definitely do NOT look like I did 10 years ago ~ that's a no-brainer in my mind. I'm just glad to be here and to be physically healthy. JMO  | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 10:11:54 PM |
*mae* flowers: After reading the recent posts I am feeling damn guilty for eating a spagetti dinner with garlic toast last night.
Gosh me too mae floweres...only I was feeling guilty for eating prime rib with horseradish sauce, baked sweet potato and a salad with blue cheese dressing...but I got over it real quick as that is prob my favorite all time meal.
I am amazed at how little some of you ladies eat.....I'm pretty sure I would whittle down and start looking like olive oil if I ate so few calories. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 6:52:25 AM |
Saw another one here yesterday same age as me.The usual.Very pale and not much muscle mass.
Google Vegetarian Body Builders and you will be in for a shock.. Not all vegetarians or even vegans eat alike. I know quite a few vegan body builders that compete one of which happens to be a Quebec woman.. She owns a place called Viva Vegan.. Then there is also Kristin Reisinger who is The Pesco-Vegetarian, Katie Coryell The Vegan, Tonya Kay
The Raw Fooder and the list goes on.. not much muscle mass hardly the truth..
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Posted: 7/17/2012 8:54:20 AM |
aren't 8 glasses of water commonly thought to be "health musts"?
Depends on how many oz in the glass, I guess. Regardless, researchers have retracted the 64 oz per day mantra. It's most important that you replenish what you lose. It is going to vary quite a bit from day to day. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 9:18:05 AM |
Many people don't like to drink water, I had to "train" myself to do so
So true. There's so many readily available processed drinks 'out there' that many people see drinking a glass of water as some type of aberation. I'm asked every so often 'Are you sure you want just water?' as if it's some lesser level of beverage only consumed by ascetic monks. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 9:36:02 AM | Dieting DOES NOT WORK. Going Hungry DOES NOT WORK. The key to losing weight, health and fitness is to eat healthy foods in sufficient quantities so you are not hungry, AND to exercise at least 60 minutes per day of fairly intense aerobic exercise.
To those who think people who are interested in their own health are "boring" or "obsessed", I would ask the question how is it working out for you being overweight and unfit? | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 9:42:56 AM |
Yes it is the same as those who say they are average weight when they are obese. If you are on a dating site then friendship is not what is wanted unless there is sex involved. If you feel good then it will show and men can age and be grey etc and still be attractive to women but not the reverse.
I may look slightly younger(5 yrs maybe?)or not. I do think I look good for my age now, better than I did 10-12 years ago, because at that time I was 50 lbs heavier with shorter hair and glasses. Unfortunately, being out of shape can age a person because you are limited to plus size clothes that are not always flattering.
So yes, I feel good and I guess it shows...oh and losing my ex-husband who was someone who did NOT make me feel good about myself...probably helped a whole helluva lot. Too bad it didn't help him as much...as I think he has aged more...lmao
Now, women do have it better...simply because we color the gray, wear makeup, don't go bald(typically), use sunscreen, can wear spanx, heels and don't get paunchy. Tongue in cheek. ;p Guys, straight ones, usually don't have the same resources.
I want a mature, fairly well-preserved man who looks fit and happy. I've met 35 yr. olds with more maturity than 45 yr. olds...so age is not all there is to it.
To the above part about sex....well sorry, women's sexuality and performance may change with age---for the better. Men...well I won't go into detail but....not the same. Don't be haters older dudes and zing me for stating the reality. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 10:46:16 AM | I've thought a match-maker fix-up game on a dating website might be fun/enlightening.
You join the game, then all players play match-maker and "fix up" the other players with each other.
You get to see who other people believe you're a good match for. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 10:50:18 AM | Now, women do have it better...simply because we color the gray, wear makeup, don't go bald(typically), use sunscreen, can wear spanx, heels and don't get paunchy. Tongue in cheek. ;p Guys, straight ones, usually don't have the same resources.
Sheesh, talk about gender stereotypes!
Men can color their gray and I don't see anything on the back of my sunscreen bottle that prohibits men from using it. As for the makeup, you might think all that spackling makes you look good, but from my perspective it just makes you look like a mannequin.
Sexuality varies greatly from one person to the next and is not easily measured with any degree of accuracy. To say that either gender fares better in that regard would be ridiculous. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 11:14:48 AM | ""Sexuality varies greatly from one person to the next and is not easily measured with any degree of accuracy. To say that either gender fares better in that regard would be ridiculous."" Well said.
None of us will come out of this alive - we're all in the same boat, we all age. Before this thread became a vegan love fest (snore fest) the majority of us realize we look the age we are and don't mind it at all. And the majority of us do the best we can with what we have - we shouldn't ask for more. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 11:46:22 AM |
the majority of us realize we look the age we are and don't mind it at all. And the majority of us do the best we can with what we have - we shouldn't ask for more.
Exactly.
And, weighing less at 50+ than at 25 is not the determinant of fitness. (nor is clothing size) I weigh less than I did at 16-22, and wear much smaller shirts. But that’s because I was fit then- a competitive swimmer in high school and college, training 20 hours a week, with huge shoulders and back muscles. I’m MUCH less fit than when I had another 10-15 lbs on me and I wore a size large blouse. Seems to me that the only way someone can be more fit at 50 or 60 than at 20 or 25 is if they were not fit in their youth.
I get the feeling that the talk about fitness isn’t about fitness at all (other than baseline physical ability to do daily activities), but that “fitness” is being used as a substitute for “cuteness” or “youthfulness.” But that ship has sailed for all of us. Youthfulness is gone and if one of us is cute, we’re really just “cute” for an old gal or guy. No running away from that “old” qualifier. Comparing a 50+ year old to an unfit 25 year old is just silly. If you compare apples to apples- the fit versus the fit- we lose. And really, so what? | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 12:18:39 PM |
Comparing a 50+ year old to an unfit 25 year old is just silly. If you compare apples to apples- the fit versus the fit- we lose. And really, so what?
Interesting when I did some challenges of Body for life there were not enough women in my age bracket at that time..I was in my early 50's so was not that old yet... We were supposed to be compared to others in our age grouping but due to the fact there was not enough women training in my age bracket they judge my fitness level with 39- 49 year old women. I rated in the top 10 at the time..
Ideally you compare within at least the same decade and not people that are over a decade younger than you are..So I would be compared with women in the 55- 65 age bracket or 59-69 depending on how they spanned their age groupings.. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 12:21:02 PM | I get the feeling that the talk about fitness isn’t about fitness at all (other than baseline physical ability to do daily activities), but that “fitness” is being used as a substitute for “cuteness” or “youthfulness.”
Wow.
The insistence on painting another's concern with their health as a one dimensional feature associated strictly with appearance (cuteness & youthfulness) is such a small-minded perspective. Perhaps the people who continue to promote the idea that the pursuit of fitness is a shallow endeavor have been fortunate enough NOT to watch a loved one deteriorate due to the choices they have made with diet and exercise. Congestive Heart Failure is a horrible and prolonged way to exit this world. So much can be alleviated by long and short term choices in diet as well as activity level.
Trust me when I tell you that I have seen the tortuous effects of this disease and, since heart disease now kills more people in the USA than all cancers combined, most everyone in this thread will be touched by it as well.
Watching a loved one suffer can have a profound impact on the way one chooses to make changes in their own life to avoid a similar fate. Appearance is one consequence of weight control and staying active. I would hope that those who keep trying to paint it as the primary motivator for staying as healthy as it is within one's power to do so, would not have their minds changed by a tragic health-related event in their own circle of loved ones.
Anyway, I tried to point out in an earlier post that "thin" appearing people can have a disproportionately high fat ratio, making them vulnerable to the identical health risks of people who may appear overweight.
I would not be interested in a thin, "normal" or overweight person who was not invested in their health and reflected that as a priority in their lifestyle. 
Now can we please refrain from painting a personal committments to health and wellness (weight control, activity level, dietary considerations) as pursuit akin to narcissism? It just makes some people look very ill-informed and small minded. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 12:45:40 PM |
Depends on how many oz in the glass, I guess. Regardless, researchers have retracted the 64 oz per day mantra. It's most important that you replenish what you lose. It is going to vary quite a bit from day to day.
Indeed 8 glasses of water per day is often quite a feat to drink.. I would say I drink about 5 glasses per day but I also drink coconut water which is incredibly hydrating daily.. In fact the way you know you are very well hydrated is when you see no color at all in your urine.. It goes clear.. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 1:22:16 PM |
Google Vegetarian Body Builders and you will be in for a shock.. Not all vegetarians or even vegans eat alike. I know quite a few vegan body builders that compete one of which happens to be a Quebec woman.. She owns a place called Viva Vegan.. Then there is also Kristin Reisinger who is The Pesco-Vegetarian, Katie Coryell The Vegan, Tonya Kay
The Raw Fooder and the list goes on.. not much muscle mass hardly the truth..
I've checked out what they eat.They either include eggs and cheese or supplement with protein powder,at least the men do and I assume women would have to unless they are in the bikini class.Bill Pearl,Andreas Cahling,they both ate eggs.Jack LaLanne loved raw but he wasn't very big the last few decades of his life. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 1:26:24 PM |
Appearance is one consequence of weight control and staying active. I would hope that those who keep trying to paint it as the primary motivator for staying as healthy as it is within one's power to do so, would not have their minds changed by a tragic health-related event in their own circle of loved ones.
Apparently a whole lot more is happening on the inside that is not so attractive with poor weight control. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 1:35:19 PM | Google vegans they do not eat anything that comes from an animal..So no cheese made from animals they make theirs from nuts, no eggs no dairy except nut milks .
Dusan Dudas is a male vegan body builder who's photos you can see online.. However know quite a few of them from offline that compete here in Quebec. Dusan just put out a book called "Naturally Amazing"
What affects muscle mass more is how old you are.. After the age of 50 it is harder to build those huge muscles without taking steroids...However what women would want to be soo muscle bound anyhow.. I know when I was training hard in my 50's I worried about getting too much muscle but my trainer assured me because of my age I would not get bulky.. Personally find huge muscles on women or men not to be that attractive.. I like long lean muscle not short bulky.. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 1:52:39 PM | I have to agree with a lot of what nr has to say,diet is pretty important the older we get.
20 years ago I was a big time meat eater and I drank way too much, I worked out a bunch also but I found it hard to maintain a steady weight...I'm 6' and my weight would fluctuate between 190 to as much as 210lbs.
Quit eating meat and drinking the same day just for the hell of it and as a test to my self to see if I could do both at the same time....20 years later I still haven't reverted back to my old habits ( though I do eat fish on occasion).
I find it much easier to maintain my weight now, in the 175lb. range,have just as much energy and feel great!
A side note,all my golf buddies (about the same age as me) who drink and eat red meat,occasionally talk about having ED problems with their wives,I find it funny that I don't seem to have that problem....could it be our differences in diet/drinking habits? | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 1:58:03 PM | Vegan's protein powder normally comes from rice. Forgot to mention that I do use some myself from Sun Warrior
At 85% protein, Sunwarrior has the highest (non soy) raw whole grain sprouted vegan protein content on the market. Great tasting with a silky smooth texture. Contains all 9 essential and non-essential amino acis in a perfectly balanced Amino Acid Profile. 98% to 99% digestion efficiency. Hypoallergenic, Non-GMO, Gluten Free | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 2:12:20 PM | Dusan Dudas is a male vegan body builder who's photos you can see online.. However know quite a few of them from offline that compete here in Quebec. Dusan just put out a book called "Naturally Amazing"
What affects muscle mass more is how old you are.. After the age of 50 it is harder to build those huge muscles without taking steroids...However what women would want to be soo muscle bound anyhow.. I know when I was training hard in my 50's I worried about getting too much muscle but my trainer assured me because of my age I would not get bulky.. Personally find huge muscles on women or men not to be that attractive.. I like long lean muscle not short bulky..
The more muscular pics are from 10 years ago,when he was eating meat.You can see the diff but his test levels have likely taken a dive past 50 or so.I'm not massive by the way,175 lbs with abs clearly visible on a 5'8 frame is considered very small.Greeneyes bf is 5'6 200....you should talk more about your juicing Rock...lol.
Never really looked into those "other"protein powders. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 2:40:30 PM | I don't know any guys or gals at the gym who do weights because they are into 'bodybuilding'. They do weights because they like to keep their muscles strong and their bodies toned. Young guys might be looking to put on a few pounds of muscle but they are a small minority of gym goers. It's no different than when I do my evening run...anyone out there is just doing it to keep the cardio-vascular system healthy...not into 'racing'.
I agree with 'plenty of Free Time' above. The benefits of a healthy diet really kicks in for us guys as we get older. Unfortunatelty there are a lot like Bill Clinton who pick of a vegetarian or mostly vegetarian diet only after heart or other issues.
Re a comment above about the benefits of coffee...I take those types of studies with a grain of salt...coffee, red wine, chocolate, etc. may not be 'bad' for use but i question if they are actually beneficial...I'm more in the 'i don't know' column. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 2:44:59 PM |
I don't know any guys or gals at the gym who do weights because they are into 'bodybuilding'. They do weights because they like to keep their muscles strong and their bodies toned. Young guys might be looking to put on a few pounds of muscle but they are a small minority of gym goers. It's no different than when I do my evening run...anyone out there is just doing it to keep the cardio-vascular system healthy...not into 'racing'.
I'm the old man in my gym.Almost all people in their 20's,some 30's,handful of 40's.Half dozen women,none past 45,mostly young. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 2:51:57 PM | I truly appreciate all the well meaning health and wellness advice the latest posters have given me. However, was not the post more asking whether on a personal level, when we look at our cohorts, perceive them as looking 'old' and ourselves as 'younger looking' ? More towards the inner image we have of ourselves compared to how we look to others? And the gap being that which keeps us from connecting with others? As in the thinking that 'they look old, I certainly don't. People tell me all the time I don't look my age. Certainly that's not your 'daughter/son'! You must have been 12 when you gave birth, yaddayaddayadda. Suckers for flattery perhaps?
There is a forum for 'health and fitness', cooking and recipes', etc. where you might actually help people seeking your nutritional and fitness wisdom. Go there. Please. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 2:59:21 PM | Statemachine,
My gym is part of our local community recreation/health center. It's designed so that if you drop in to the a doctor or whomever that you might then get prescribed a meeting with a fitness person and a tour of the pool, gym, etc. This leads to a higher age demographics in the weight rooms. Lots of people over 50...although many overweight folks get their health card stamped but then spend a lot of time in the sauna and hot tub. | |
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