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That guy will NEVER get elected.
Obviously. Why would the elite allow someone who works against their interests to come to power? We'll NEVER find a saviour in an elected government, because the system is deliberately set up in such a way that elections are a sham. The politicians only pretend to work for us when in fact they do the bidding of the moneyed elite.
A saviour will not come from the political arena. He will be one of the "slaves" who frees himself when he realizes that he is the true governor of the "government" and starts acting accordingly by giving it orders to do the right thing.
I think when the servants realize that the "child of the state" has grown up to become Lord of the Manor, they will snap to attention and start obeying. Of course the servants are pretty corrupt now and are inclined to kill their boss rather than go back to polishing the silver (as evidenced by the deaths of people like Gandhi & Martin Luther king…and of course the mythical Jesus), so more than one saviour is required. I think we need at least a few thousand to make killing us all off kind of impractical. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2012 7:17:03 AM | Thinking a little further on this saviour business and wondering why most people are not the saviours of humankind, even when it is in their own self-interest (as well as everyone else's) to take charge of the governance of the human race (thus taking it out of the hands of the worthless parasites who enslave them), it occurs to me that a saviour is ruled by love, not fear.
Fear is what enslaves us. It is the lever of control used by the elite. We don't take our proper place as rulers because we fear unpleasant consequences for doing so. (e.g. We're afraid to tell our public servants what to do because our fearful slave mentality sees them as our masters and we are afraid of what they might do to us if we get "uppity"). We then consider it in our own self-interest not to "make waves". Something that doesn't seem to occur to people is that we (collectively) currently endure the very unpleasant consequences of NOT taking charge and doing the right thing.
The self-centered, the apathetic, the lazy and the fearful will never be saviours, for these are the exact opposites of the qualities required to be one, so if you are one or more of these, forget about saving the human race.
An omnipotent God is not required to save the human race, only love, empathy, guts and a little elbow grease.
The world is currently recruiting saviours. Do you have what it takes to sign up? | |
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Posted: 7/14/2012 8:04:57 AM |
Fear is what enslaves us. It is the lever of control used by the elite. We don't take our proper place as rulers because we fear unpleasant consequences for doing so.
This reminds of when a guy told me that, what can a state trooper or a few of them actually do if "everyone" on the highway was going over 100 miles per hour? yeah they will catch a few and make harsh examples but if everyone is doing it they couldn't stop it. He also said we give other people, possibly "weak" people our power. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 9:48:55 AM | Colt ... would you want to risk being one of the 'harsh examples' doing 100 mph ... ? Not me ... just sayin' ... Besides, one good roadblock would bring all that to a screeching halt real fast ...
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Yo, Dukky ... try this on for a saviorin' audition:
Come hither, children - join my church. It's 'The First Church Of The Rude Awakening', and our motto is "When the Lion lieth down with the Lamb, 'tis only the Lion which can be certain of the Morrow." ... everybody likes that one, right ... ? We got preachin' and music and crawfish boils 'n baseball games and every Sunday we got the 'politician du jour' who's gonna come speak at y'all from the pulpit - or just wander amongst the faithful eatin' crawfish - or catfish, whatever's on the menu ... after that will be the 'service', during which I'm gonna have the ushers make two collections and pass the plate among y'all faithful types ... first collection will be for - umm - 'foreign missions', and the second collection is the 'Free Will Love Offering Building Trust and Pastor's Retirement Fund' take-up ... yes, Lord, we will be down here doin' your work according to the directive of 'Render unto Caesar' ... which just happens to be my middle name, y' know ... I love that 'rendering' stuff ... Workers of the world, UNTIE! To quote that great Populist Huey P Long: "Don't tax you; don't tax me ... tax that feller behind the tree." Free lunch for everybody ... ! | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 9:56:57 AM | I think we need to be careful, very careful what we wish for and a demagogue is the last thing we need.
People often come along as "saviours" in times of great (real or perceived) crisis, hailed as "the one" and perceived as incapable of any wrongdoing. Unfortunately many of them throughout history have gone on to murder people in huge numbers (infact such behaviour seems to be the rule rather than the exception when these people engineer their way into positions of power). One of the greatest global problems that is being talked up by certain people and groups at present is overpopulation, including those among the elite who regard the rest of the human race as livestock.
Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, Mao, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, General Pinochet, Mugabe, Milosevic, Saddam Hussein, Kim Il Sung the list goes on. They were all vaunted as "saviours" of their respective nations at one stage. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 12:32:03 PM | @ King's Knight
I wouldn't want to be a saviour if getting elected made me a lame duck, and I'd need a pretty good-sized flock to help ensure I didn't become a dead one. The last thing I want is to just get added to a list of martyrs.
While the crawdads are tempting, I think this little duck needs a bit more if he's gonna save humanity. I mean I have nothing invested in it; you guys have been shooting at me & destroying my habitat for ages. What do I owe humanity? Good riddance I say!…The world will be a much better place for us ducks once you humans wipe yourselves out.
You know I'm just pullin' your leg, right? I care for all living creatures, even humans, so I'll probably run in the election; after all, what have I got to lose? You guys have been shooting at me from day one and haven't hit me yet, so odds are that I'll probably survive if I get elected. I might even live long enough to save humanity from itself.
I can see it all now:
"Hey did you hear that duck (whatsisname?) actually got elected?"
"Well aint that just ducky!"
"Yeah…that's him." | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 12:37:40 PM |
I think we need to be careful, very careful what we wish for and a demagogue is the last thing we need.
I couldn't agree more. It is our herd mentality that has made us a race of followers. We have to drop that crap and grab the bull by the horns in any way that we can. We should ALL be leaders (or at least as many of us that are still capable of leading in some respect, even if only by example). Followers will inevitably get led off the cliff. Leaders go where they want and aren't apt to do anything so stupid. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 12:54:52 PM | @ Just Dukky ...
So does that mean you won't be contributing to the second collection ... ? You know, the 'Free Will Love Offering Building Trust and Pastor's Retirement Fund' take-up one ... besides, the first one's really the 'Crawfish Boil' fund, but if I tell the 'faithful' that, they'll hold out on me ... I bet you could be won over with the extra sausage, potatoes, and boiled corn that goes with them crawfish ... I'll even toss in some free mushrooms ... | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 1:21:33 PM |
I'll even toss in some free mushrooms
I'd say acceptance of your offer is contingent on the kind of mushrooms you'll be tossing in.
I don't know if I can contribute anything to the "Free Will Love Offering Building Trust and Pastor's Retirement Fund" for as much as I like contributing to worthy charities. I'm just a poor duck trying to manage the "Justdukky Save the Earth Foundation" by acting as it's trustee and primary beneficiary. I'll have to talk to the organization's attorney to see if I can pull money out of the foundation to give to other causes without making my self liable to a charge of breach of trust. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 2:48:34 PM |
Colt ... would you want to risk being one of the 'harsh examples' doing 100 mph ... ? Not me ... just sayin' ... Besides, one good roadblock would bring all that to a screeching halt real fast ...
You mean to tell me they will put a "roadblock" on all America? lol. If everybody was together and not separated they couldn't stops us. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 8:28:56 PM | | Unh-huh ... all it would take is one HIGHLY-publicized interdiction of a major interstate highway (say, I-10 or I-40) using choppers, spike strips, PIT maneuvers, or any of the other techniques in the State Police repertoire to make an example that'd be covered on the evening news for weeks. Think CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSLSD, and the local TV / radio folks wouldn't be all up in that like they were during the OJ 'chase' ... ? Point is, it wouldn't need to be on 'all America' physically. There's lots of ways to achieve crowd (or riot) control. If you believe they wouldn't bring in the military to help stop the '100-mph Club' members, you'd be wrong ... 'posse comitatus' has already been effectively breached, so they'd think nothing of ordering them in. Your concept sounds simple, but real life isn't just a conceptual thing ... oh - what'd happen in the '100-mph Club' when a 'Cash For Clunkers' reject broke down and jammed things up ... ? It could happen ... hell, it would happen ... | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 8:34:55 PM |
You mean to tell me they will put a "roadblock" on all America? lol. If everybody was together and not separated they couldn't stops us.
If everyone drove like that, they wouldn't have to stop us; they could just sit & wait while those unfit for survival took themselves out of the gene pool. Considering the way I see most people drive, they are doing that already, even WITH the traffic "laws." I guess it's really true that you can't fix "stupid."
Just because statutes aren't laws doesn't imply that they are all a bad idea (though many are...mostly the financial/banking ones). The real, unwritten law says that you should not drive imprudently (if you do, you might hurt somebody). The signs are basically there to keep the stupid people in line (though they often have the opposite effect on "rebels without a cause")
moral: If you want to govern yourself (instead of being governed) and decide for yourself what you can or can't lawfully do, at least demonstrate that you are capable of self-governance and good judgment. (If you don't, you WILL be governed whether you like it or not.) | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 9:17:21 PM | Saviours all around us.... the world just needs to get educated ... in order to recognize and support them.
You can't have one saviour and they can't do it all by themselves.
One thing people need to do is to stop labelling things with a negative title.
Take communism.
Right away... we cringe at the concept.
But who are the communists?
Are Cubans communist?
Are the Chinese communists?
Who is.... and why is it necessarily bad?
The Cubans have good health and education despite being oppressed by the U.S. embargo.
The Chinese have beat the Americans at their own capitalist game.
Maybe we need a "Saviour System"... a revamped economic/political system that ensures the health and welfare of everyone.... yes, that's right.... control the greed.
We humans.... despite worshipping our so-called advances in science... are still a joke.
Science, transparent science.... should control politics and the economy.
Then and only then would our world be a safer, healthier place for all..... logic would dictate it.... instead of greed. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 9:04:11 PM | | If Jesus came back today would he have an Android phone and a tablet? Would he get his message across on Facebook? Would he buy his sandals on ebay? If he was ressurrected would his life insurance provider payout after three days? Would he ride a Ducati instead of an ass. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 9:39:44 PM | Wrong thread rathlinlighthouse
We're talking about saving the world... not souls.
Did you know that killer whales are more civilized than us?
Apparently killer whales do not kill each other.
Apparently they share their resources instead of killing each other for it.
Best to forget about intelligent life in space.... and start paying attention to and learning from the intelligent life on earth that are not human.
Learn their language first.... before thinking about being able to communicate with something out there that we don't even know exists.
Maybe killer whales or another species can be our saviours?
Once we can actually communicate with them.... then we can have them as part of the United Nations. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 10:41:30 PM | The more history and science I have studied, the more certain I have become that there is no such thing as a "subgroup of entities who never do anything nasty like that," no matter what kind of "nasty" you want to talk about.
I've seen people convince themselves that this or that oppressed group are "saintly" over and over.
"The American Natives were natural conservators of the land and environment." Hogwash. They massacred each other long before Europeans showed up in droves, and one of the preferred methods to hunt buffalo before the arrival of the European horse, was to run an entire herd off a cliff, take what little they wanted, and leave the rest to rot.
Chimpanzees were once thought of as naturally peaceful and loving cousins. We now know that some of them eat meat, including other simians, that they commit murder, and that they can attack humans without warning.
No need to list them all. Suffice it to say, any subgroup or species you can name, has been found to behave like pretty much every other one. No saints on this planet.
As for this silly chest thumping about "if enough of us stood up on our hind legs and shouted "NO!" they'd be helpless!": it's old, it's ridiculous, it's idiotic, and there isn't any "cause" you can name, which could be helped by the idea. It's all a lot of absurd posturing. I've heard variations on it my whole life. And after briefly being fooled by it ONCE, as a teen, I came to realize that the only reason why anything IS done enough for anyone to think of it as a "power structure driven limit on our lives," is because a LOT of people LIKE it that way. Therefore by definition, there CAN be no "rising up of the vast majority" to put an end to it.
And claiming that all those who merely gripe without rebelling are cowards, is a very cowardly act in itself. It is usually resorted to by people who are unwilling to put in the work required to persuade the world to choose a better course through rationality and practicality. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 12:47:58 AM |
The more history and science I have studied, the more certain I have become that there is no such thing as a "subgroup of entities who never do anything nasty like that," no matter what kind of "nasty" you want to talk about.
You are welcome to your opinion. Everyone should have opinions based on their observations.
I've seen people convince themselves that this or that oppressed group are "saintly" over and over.
Observations like that one can be very useful in formulating a hypothesis.
"The American Natives were natural conservators of the land and environment." Hogwash. They massacred each other long before Europeans showed up in droves, and one of the preferred methods to hunt buffalo before the arrival of the European horse, was to run an entire herd off a cliff, take what little they wanted, and leave the rest to rot.
Please cite sources for your claims for review and evaluation. I am unconvinced by the assertion alone; especially when it is stated as though it were an established fact.
Chimpanzees were once thought of as naturally peaceful and loving cousins. We now know that some of them eat meat, including other simians, that they commit murder, and that they can attack humans without warning.
Can the same be said of Gorillas, Orangutans, Gibbons and other hominid species? I'll admit that Chimps and humans have that behaviour as part of their nature, but should we be tarring all the hominids with the same brush? If they all behave like us, you might have a case, but if any hominids don't behave in such a manner, then I'd say it would be fallacious to imply thru innuendo that such behaviour is in the nature of the hominids. Moreover, if we find gentle compassionate and generous behaviour in even one other hominid, we may be forced to ask ourselves what went wrong with the rest of them (including us).
No need to list them all. Suffice it to say, any subgroup or species you can name, has been found to behave like pretty much every other one. No saints on this planet.
I beg to differ on listing them all. I feel that a proper rational discussion should leave no stone unturned in the search for information to either justify or falsify an hypothesis; to do less might be convenient for a casual argument, but wouldn't be very scientific. I suspect you are wrong in your claim that all species tend to act essentially the same. There may be cross-species similarities in some behaviours and great differences in others. One example that might refute your hypothesis could be the elephant. Elephants have been observed (like us) to apparently mourn their dead. Except for the (presumed) "combat" (real or mock) during mating, do elephants sometimes (for instance) murder members of their own species like us, or are they "above" such base behaviour?
Your conclusion that there are no saints on this planet is erroneous owing to the paucity of information provided in support of your claim that all species are "pretty much alike" in terms of "uncivilized" behaviour.
…the only reason why anything IS done enough for anyone to think of it as a "power structure driven limit on our lives," is because a LOT of people LIKE it that way. Therefore by definition, there CAN be no "rising up of the vast majority" to put an end to it.
A "lot" or a "few" able to deceive the majority with a puppet show of artificial "divide & conquer" differences? Does the majority of people really LIKE their situation, or do they generally just tolerate it out of fear and/or ignorance?
And claiming that all those who merely gripe without rebelling are cowards, is a very cowardly act in itself. It is usually resorted to by people who are unwilling to put in the work required to persuade the world to choose a better course through rationality and practicality.
I'm inclined to agree, but note that gripers, complainers, protesters, etc. tend to act like children. Consequently, they are treated like children and governed accordingly…After all, aren't citizens children of the state?
IMO, I think it's time they grew up (demonstrated the competence, maturity & wisdom of an adult) and started taking charge. If they could do that, I think they could take charge and order their public servants to effect the necessary change. If they can do that (even a small percentage of the population), they might just find they are the "saviours" we're looking for. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 8:13:13 PM | I don't think the world needs a savior. There can be no independent volition and a perfect world simultaneously. If there are no problems in life, what would you learn? If you believe in a life after this one, I would assume that this whole world is a kind of learning lab to get you ready for the next stage of existence.
It's just an idea.
As far as the working class, they can choose to be in the business class if they want to. That is the benefit of a free country. A compromised capitalist exists now in the US. It is not entirely capitalist because of 50 years of a collectivist attitude in the population at large. These people actually think we own everything collectively, and that we should go more in this direction. Capitalism, wherever it is allowed, has empowered the poorest of the poor to act on their own behalf and improve their own lives.
I work in restaurants, repairing their equipment. I am always impressed by these Indian, Pakistani, and Middle Eastern people I meet who are owners of the sandwich shop and pizza franchises. They work so hard and are very frugal. They came here with little or nothing, and now they have to hire people to handle the business they have attracted.
Even the "poor" in this country have as much as I do without working while I work my ass off. They have tattoos, the latest cell phones, nice cars, nice TV's, Air conditioning, and plenty to eat. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:33:49 PM |
I don't think the world needs a savior.
Which world are you living on?…I wanna move there to get out of this suicidal nuthouse called "Earth."
There can be no independent volition and a perfect world simultaneously. If there are no problems in life, what would you learn?
Who said we had to learn anything?
If you believe in a life after this one, I would assume that this whole world is a kind of learning lab to get you ready for the next stage of existence.
That's fine for the "believers", but what if no "next stage" exists? What if this living Hell is all we get?
It's just an idea.
I can appreciate that, but maybe you should think things through more, like what kinda lesson does a 3 month old baby learn when it's bombed into a red mist by a drone from another country? What do we really learn from killing one another by the millions & living under the constant threat of nuclear annihilation from either thermonuclear bombs or poorly designed reactors? What do we learn from bombing, maiming & killing 50,000 innocent civilians in a foreign country because we have a "responsibility to protect" them from an alleged dictator who might harm them by giving them solid currency, clean water, free farms, cheap housing, cars, gas, $50,000 wedding presents for getting married & other such injurious atrocities?
Myself, I've learned a lot in my time here, mostly about the strange "Big Brotherish" paradox of the absurd human mindset. I guess Voltaire summed it up best:
"Those who believe absurdities can be made to commit atrocities." | |
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