| | Latest Barry SpeechPage 2 of 5 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) | The bottom line is, no matter what the topic, no matter what the issue, no matter what the talk is about....Obama is a lieing piece of sh!t who's only out to divide this nation.
So then, I was right... you aren't actually interested in replying to the topic... unless you want to try taking another shot at showing us how he "lied" with his "had help" comment... I'm sure, if you try, you can find another example to give us that you can subsequently declare irrelevant when it is shot down...
Come to think about it, I believe that's the first time I've seen that done here (a poster declaring his own point to be irrelevant when it is shot down)...
I might as well ask while I'm here... Do you have any other comments to add (maybe something about African culture or urethras or anything like that)...?
He's done a fabulous job at that!!
Well, with all the help he is getting from conservatives, teabaggers and self-styled "libertarians" how could he not... Now, if only they were as helpful with the economy... | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:25:31 PM |
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
What do you expect from a guy who had a Nobel Peace Prize dumped in his lap for no reason what so ever. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:34:47 PM | The Nobel Prize was just a big "Thank f*cking Christ that's finally over" from the rest of the world.
For the rest of us, seeing the back of Bush was like seeing the Emperor finally get it in Return of the Jedi. Except it was 8 years, and we couldn't walk out of the theatre. First truly evil man to ever hold that post. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:41:46 PM |
Yes, that was sarcasm. The only thing govt. does is screw up everything they put their noses in. Mungojoe....we're talking about two very different governments here. They are the same in name only!!...but the govt. back then was still a govt. 'of the people, by the people, and for the people'.....today its a govt. 'of the elite, by the elite, and for the elite'.
Huge difference.
Do you even see the irony in posting something on the internet that the government only screws stuff?
If you do not, them maybe you should think twice before voicing your opinion on what the government does or does not do. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 9:17:23 PM | | I honestly believe that the speech was worded very carefully so that the average american would walk away thinking that he was saying that no one makes it on their own really and gov't help is a good thing. It sounds sooo nice... BUT It also can be heard as...I need my gov't to get ahead! I NEED to account to crooks! I need to be part of something bigger, I must give up my individual power to others, I can't, couldn't and shouldn't even try to think/work on my own. An individual is lost and without hope in these times, I should share my ideas, secrets, success, dollars. F that. This is the b.s. spin. The gov't is the last thing you need minding your business. Their business is way more important to them than yours is. Their business is to make money OFF you. Their business is to cost you, they are not good business partners, they're crooks with their own agenda. Keep them out and mind your own. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 9:39:57 AM | Now... do you have anything on topic to say...? Even something that comes remotely, vaguely close to actually answering the post you were responding to might be good...
You had veered off topic by saying something about deluded people who were stuck in 1850. I admit to following you a little way, but just to explain why I assumed you were talking about leftists.
But other than that, it seems to me you are the one who is going off topic. This thread is about Mr. Obama's comments suggesting individual success is only possible because of all the services the federal government provides. "You need the federal government. It is indispensable to achieving anything." He's too slick to put it that bluntly, but that's what he meant. His remarks were an insult to individual effort and a paean to collectivism.
I was responding to your comments about how roads and other public services benefit people. The fact you didn't mention the Constitution doesn't mean you didn't raise a constitutional issue. You did, even if you didn't realize it, and I addressed it. You cited the kinds of public services states provide--roads, etc.--and I pointed out that unlike states, the federal government does not have authority to provide most of those services.
Now I know you don't understand much about the American system of government, so I was trying to explain the idea of federalism--the division of powers between the states and the United States. What Mr. Obama was saying goes right to the heart of a vital constitutional issue--the limits of federal power. I can understand why someone who agrees with him that there should be almost no limits on that power would want to keep me from pointing those limits out, and get peevish when I did. It's as natural for statists to hate the Constitution as for vampires to hate garlic--it hinders them.
We need our states and the local governments they authorize to provide schools, roads, hospitals, utilities, parks, fire and police departments, airports, and so on. Of course those things *do* enable us to achieve more as individuals. But despite what Mr. Obama would have people believe, we do not need the federal government to provide those public services--nor does it have authority to provide them. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 11:12:13 AM |
For the rest of us, seeing the back of Bush was like seeing the Emperor finally get it in Return of the Jedi. Except it was 8 years, and we couldn't walk out of the theatre. First truly evil man to ever hold that post.
Yeah, Nixon and everyone after him have been such PEACHES! LOL!
The Putin/KGB dynamic is no different than the CIA/POTUS dynamic. Evil abound. Keep thinking there is "choice" between the two parties. They all answer to the same criminal banker bosses. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 12:23:09 PM |
"You need the federal government. It is indispensable to achieving anything." He's too slick to put it that bluntly, but that's what he meant.
WOW...!!! That now make TWO 'Amazing Kreskin' heirs-apparent... So, even though he didn't say that you were able to channel his real thoughts... Amazing, most people only hear what others actually say but you, you are able to hear their "true thoughts"...
A gift like that can only be one of two things... a "national treasure" of immense value...or... evidence of delusional thinking (like believing in grand existential threats from international conspiracies and domestic "fifth columnists")... | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 1:03:31 PM | This part of his speech cracks me up:
"Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
Oh really!? So you mean that DARPA did not create it as a fail-safe communications system in case of nuclear war? They soley created it so business could profit, wow, what history book did that come from?
If I remeber correctly Tim Berners-Lee at CERN created the WWW which made the internet usable for everyone, before the creation of the WWW the internet was used almost exclusively by the government and educational institutes. Commerce was not allowed until 1995.
Get your facts straight Mr. President before you open your mouth! | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 2:23:01 PM |
Get your facts straight Mr. President before you open your mouth!
Yeah! Al Gore already took credit for the internet, Barry! LOL! | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 2:33:42 PM |
Yeah! Al Gore already took credit for the internet, Barry! LOL!
See, this is an example of why I think Republicanism is more of a religious sect now than a political party. It's faith based. Everybody knows that Al Gore didn't say he invented the internet, he did say (truthfully) that he took the lead in saving funding for what would become the internet back in the 70's. But if you are a member of the faith, you have to believe something which is factually untrue.
You see it in the way very ordinary remarks by the President get twisted through the prism of faith. We've seen people say it's a secret message that government needs to control everything. That's religious fervour. Just like belief that tax cuts pay for themselves, or that every scientist in the world is part of secret Marxist cabal to bring down America.
You wonder why political discourse has gone downhill in America? When one side keeps saying and believing in crazy shit, you can't discuss in a meaningful way. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 3:32:14 PM | I laid out very clearly why I consider your President to be a conservative. I compared him to a conservative Republican President. Hell, Nixon won the Republican nomination as the hard right candidate against the moderate Nelson Rockefeller. Nothing Obama has done domestically or in foreign policy is anything but conservative. Even his much maligned health care initiative is virtually identical to the one the Republican party offered up in the 90's, and was originally proposed by a very conservative think tank.
Show me one thing Obama has done that is liberal. Anything. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 4:09:55 PM |
"Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
I guess then they should also take blame when people lose money via the internet. The f'cking prince of Nigeria still owes me. I'm not paying any more tax for that. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 4:18:13 PM | Well, that was easy:
Subtitle F: Universal Coverage - Requires each citizen or lawful permanent resident to be covered under a qualified health plan or equivalent health care program by January 1, 2005. Provides an exception for any individual who is opposed for religious reasons to health plan coverage, including those who rely on healing using spiritual means through prayer alone.
edit: Just to clarify, that's taken directly from the Republican plan of 1993 | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 5:02:56 PM | What part of "require" do you not understand? Everybody was going to have to buy insurance. How do you think the GOP was going to enforce that?
As for the rest of it....You want to pretend that Nixon wasn't a conservative. That's the sort of crazy shit I was talking about earlier. You also fall back on the usual crap of ignoring what the President has done and talk about other people who aren't him. Didn't really need a response. Since it's just filler. You asked one question and I responded. I asked one question.....and I'm still waiting. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 7:15:30 PM | | ^^^^It goes against what their preachers (Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter) are selling them when you point out that Obama is more moderate than anything the Republicans will ever offer again. They have to believe he is an extreme left-winged Marxist in order for them to sleep at night. The thought of Obama drawing from Republican ideas makes them want to pour bleach in their eyes when they see it in writing. They refuse to believe the healthcare plan followed the blueprint laid out by Republicans back before they became plutocrats and oligarchs. They find comfort in thinking Obama hates business, even though the majority of the stimulus bill was tax credits for business. Their alarm clocks have the voice of Steve Douchey telling them the morning malarkey, which they will run off and spread as if it were gospel. This thread is another example how much power Faux News has over these people. They are consistently lied to at this water cooler, yet they'll lap it up like it's holy water. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 9:11:34 PM | You've got to be f*cking joking.
The Republicans would require you to buy medical insurance. But it was going to be magically enforced. So Obama using the tax system as the means is what makes it "different". That's got to be a joke. Nobody could possibly think that.
And you're even older than me. You remember Nixon too. Nobody ever called him a moderate nor a liberal back when he was President. Just cause you want to change the goal posts doesn't make it so. He was a hard right conservative. And he was farther left than Obama. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 9:15:53 PM |
That's got to be a joke. Nobody could possibly think that.
Unless, of course, they define a conservative as "whomever it is convenient for me to choose to call conservative"... | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 9:17:57 PM | The men who founded this country had the same political philosophy as conservatives today--as much individual liberty and as little central government as possible. Ronald Reagan was a conservative. Barry Goldwater was a conservative. William Buckley was a conservative. Michele Bachmann is a conservative. Mitt Romney may be a conservative--we don't know. Nixon, Rockefeller, Scranton, both Bushes, Ford, McCain, Lugar, Snowe--Republicans, maybe--but not even close to being conservatives.
I don't like the idea of socialized medicine any more because it came from some Republican. Many Republican politicians, if not most, are statists who have no more regard for limited, constitutional government than the leftist radical now in the White House. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 10:15:39 PM | I was alive in the 70's. Nobody considered him a "middle of the roader." Nice try.
Just because he wouldn't be considered conservative by the extraordinarily skewed standards of today's Republican party doesn't mean he wasn't one. He was. You know it and I know it. I was showing what conservative has meant historically. Not bat shit crazy like it seems to mean today.
Which takes me back to my contention that Republicanism is a sect now. Shared delusions do not a viable political party make. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:02:06 AM | | Liberals sure are getting desperate calling people crazy and what not, because they don't agree with your Ideology doesn't make them crazy it is actually a sign of sanity...seriously you guys blame everything and everyone around for the failure of Liberal policies..Shared Delusions? You mean like how you all believe that Obama is doing a Bang up job? | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 7:33:11 AM |
Hey schoochie.......... so politicians in general were not plutocrats and oligarchs before bush-2?
So, it's okay with you "since the other team is doing it"? The only problem is, no one is buying that Dems don't fight for the middle class while Reps only care about the upper class. Nice try, PauloK. Your sense of what's going on around you is skewed by your faith in radical conservatism. You're even throwing Nixon off the bus now. Who's next? Reagan? Oh wait; we all know he was way to moderate for today's right wing teabaggers. He'd say amnesty and tax hike and y'all would load your guns. Lol!!! | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 8:31:14 AM | Re - Msg 52 - "even though the majority of the stimulus bill was tax credits for business."
Please do some homework Skooch. You're not even close to correct. There WERE tax credits of about 180 billion(out of a total of 819 billion), but 100 billion of those went to people who paid no taxes. Please tell me what kind of business that is, so I can sign up.
BTW - We are STILL waiting for those shovel-ready jobs to appear. Seen any lately? | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 2:13:51 PM | Greenthumb,
I notice you don't want to site a source. Fair enough. This source here will show how well small business benefited from the stimulus. You'll see that one-third of the stimulus went to small business. If you want to insist that 100 billion of this money went to businesses who don't pay taxes, please site your source.
We are STILL waiting for those shovel-ready jobs to appear. Seen any lately?
I actually see a lot of shovel-ready jobs around my county of El Dorado. Our freeway is being renovated. The neighboring county has freeway construction there too. The county on the other side of me has freeway construction also. Actually, it would be quicker to name the counties around me that don't have freeways under construction. Lol!!
http://www.business.com/blog/small-business-bags-stimulus-bill-tax-breaks/ | |
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Posted: 7/21/2012 12:29:42 AM | ^^^^^^
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/02/01/GR2009020100154.html | |
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