| | women hate short menPage 3 of 9 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) | | OP..i think its a daft idea to be honest and very extreme..nose jobs and hair transplants and jug jobs can all be put right most of the time if they go wrong..but having people fecking around with your legs to make you taller sounds real dodgy to me..god forbid..but you could end up in a wheelchair if the operation fecks up..im 5ft 11..but it wouldnt bother me one bit if i would of been born shorter..as long as you got good health.. then the rest dont matter. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 12:44:09 PM | oh justinr00, please dont do it. you make me worried. it is silly to put yourself through that risk. yes, of course life would be easier if you were average or even more than average height, but you are who you are. we all could wish for different genes, but we cannot choose them and i doubt very much that your height, were you to be funny, intelligent and engaging, would make that much of a differencce. women are really not so superficial. and do remember napolean, and for that matter horatio nelson who was 5 foot 2, they forget to tell you that in the history books, emma hamilton, by the way was considered oen of the most beautiful women of her time!
good llucsk and please reconsider
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Posted: 7/22/2012 2:38:11 PM | | I agree with Bappy on that (message 10). Why state you are 5"10 in your profile? Lying won't help.... (wether it's on your profile or your post....) | |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 2:39:31 PM | "OP..i think its a daft idea to be honest and very extreme..nose jobs and hair transplants and jug jobs can all be put right most of the time if they go wrong..but having people fecking around with your legs to make you taller sounds real dodgy to me..god forbid..but you could end up in a wheelchair if the operation fecks up..im 5ft 11..but it wouldnt bother me one bit if i would of been born shorter..as long as you got good health.. then the rest dont matter."
It's not being short that is the problem, it's the reaction from others towards those of 'limited height', particularly towards short men that is the problem. You say it would not have bothered you if you had been born shorter, but that is easy to say when you have no experience of what most short men have to go through. If you are 'large' you can lose weight, regardless of age there will be plenty of people looking for that age range, hair colour can be changed, even breast size can be changed much easier than height, though many men would date a woman regardless of breast size, however it is a FACT that most women simply will not touch men that are shorter than them/not of a certain height with a 1o foot barge pole and unfortunately height is something that cannot be changed without incurring both massive costs and taking serious risks with your health.
His solution may be extreme and come with serious risks but sometimes peoples negative experiences of something leads them for good or ill to take extreme measures.
Unless you are in his shoes or have even experienced similar issues, you cannot possibly understand what he has been or is going through and why he is contemplating what he is. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 3:31:10 PM | @ ComplekCity.
"Load of crap - would you tell a flat chested woman that men don't care about breast size too ?"
We are discussing this particular problem with his height and not women's breasts. Still you are entitled to your, erm, opinion.
"So, you're saying he still won't get any dates ?
You think a woman who gets a boob job doesn't notice a difference in the attention she gets afterward ? "
No I said...IF!!! You seem to have a thing about boob jobs I've noticed.
"Is my perception at fault when I read countless profiles that say a guy must be at least 6 feet tall because she wears high heels ? Will changing my attitude within make these women vanish from the planet ?????
Look, I know you mean well but come on !
Get real, at least ."
It takes all sorts to make a world, If some women want a bloke who is at least 6' tall because she wears high heels, then that's life. with myself at a mere 5' 10" tall I haven't exactly gone without female company. None of whom asked me to wear platform shoes to fit in with their dress sense. As for the countless profiles, well I have not read too many with height restrictions, but even if I did it would not matter as I normally find my partners outside of dating sites. If I am honest dating sites are a pretty rubbish (read ineffectual) way to find a partner anyway. With way too many people who apparently don't do drugs behaving like they are on psychedelics with their expectations and shooting for the moon with the equivalent of a pop gun.
It does, however, provide the odd moment of mirth.
Bob. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 3:38:12 PM | Unless you are in his shoes or have even experienced similar issues, you cannot possibly understand what he has been or is going through and why he is contemplating what he is
i never said i did understand what he is going through..i said that i thought what he is going to do is a bit extreme..i know dozens of of blokes who are short in size..and it dont fecking bother them..and i doubt it would bother me either..and i think it will bother the OP alot more if he ends up a cripple if these extreme measures he is taking go wrong. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 3:51:02 PM | | I'm 6'5'' and experience none of those problems, but then again I am a size 12 shoe(u.s.). Travelling in coach for long durations can be a pain. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 4:41:46 PM | Move somewhere that has short women, just give up on the surgery and spend the money on a good shrink........
(pun apology)hoho.. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 10:28:10 PM | is this thread for real!?!?!?!?
OP is on the wind up! what is with this obsession with height on this forum? | |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 11:49:29 PM | I actually find that shorter guys seem to have more to prove so tend to be more successful.
Most CEOs I know are under 5'9"
The ex president of France, Nicolas Sarkozy is the same height as you OP.
I was at a site meeting yesterday and the manager is only about 5'4 and has about 2000 men under his control..... He's very good at his job and is respected for who he is rather than how tall he is.
Only you will really have issue with your height if you let there be one. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 1:09:36 AM | I agree with msg 63 - I don't believe this is anything but a very successful Troll, but it passed a tedious weekend.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 2:58:50 AM |
I don't believe this is anything but a very successful Troll, but it passed a tedious weekend
im having doubts too..lol out of all the short blokes iv known in my life only one had a angst about being smaller in height than average..the others didnt give a toss.. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 5:06:30 AM | @ Msg 64
Unfortunately you are incorrect. Numerous studies have been conducted in regards to the relationship between height and success and it shows that taller men earn more on average and are much more successful than their shorter counterparts.
@ Msg 66
Well as a 'short bloke' myself and knowing many others in the same boat, I can tell you categorically that most (not all men) do care about their height and this is not due to any kind of practical problem but because of the way they are viewed and treated by others, be it their peers, colleagues or indeed members of the opposite sex. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 6:51:51 AM | Well as a 'short bloke' myself and knowing many others in the same boat, I can tell you categorically that most (not all men) do care about their height and this is not due to any kind of practical problem but because of the way they are viewed and treated by others, be it their peers, colleagues or indeed members of the opposite sex.
Agreed.
I think this is one of those obscure social prejudices that is difficult to empathise with if you've not actually experienced it first-hand (bit like what ginger-haired people sometimes have to deal with).
It does exist (particularly in playgrounds and on dating websites), it can be frustrating at times and can make life more challenging for some of us. But there's no reason a shorter guy can't find just as much love and success in life - he just has to work a bit harder for it.  | |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 8:18:15 AM | | dont hate them they just social conditioned, men got be taller,, what peeps say the horror instead of being diff, not a sheep. im not as short as you but am short/small,(hod carrier for lego lol) you got stop making it an issue, just think if they dont accept you as you not worth knowing. otherwise you come across as negative, angry , they say you have short man syndrome(taller guys aggresive as well you know).so change your outlook, be like simon cowell get built up shoes lol. surgery to drastic, sure theres more to you than your height fella, develop your postive personality, girls flock round. also poster put tom cruise short, it the money love | |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 8:21:11 AM | | ^^^ I doubt it's the money given that 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of his fans are unlikely to get any from him! | |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 9:30:14 AM | I feel for you OP. It's ok for anybody to say you should have higher self esteem or never mind what women think but this is a real problem for you. I (nor anyone else) can tell you what to do, if you're convinced that surgery is your only option, however, you say you're aware of the risks, I wonder if you really are. I worry (cos I am a worrier) that if something, your God forbid, DOES go wrong..you're going to be in a wayyyy worse situation and severely regretting your decision.
From my own experience, I'm 5' 3" and my partner isn't much taller. My preference used to be for tall guys but I was won over by a pretty face and a massive personality. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 9:38:44 AM | | To be fair is there any difference in a man wanting to be taller and a woman wanting a boob job? As a woman who has boobs on the small side (and tiny before I had kids) I spent 30 years feeling as though I wasn't a real woman, that I could never be sexy, that noone could ever find me attractive (even though some clearly did I had zero self confidence on account of chest) etc etc etc ....and I'm sorry to say but that feeling was a direct result of men's "corrrr big boobs, yeah thats all that's important" kinda culture that we hear / see every day. In my later 30s I realised that many men may well say this but don't necessarily mean it and that I'd never had any complaints or struggled to get a bloke. It's maybe a preference but is it a pre-requisite? No, in most cases I don't believe it is. Same for men and height. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 2:05:05 PM | 'is tis still going on?!?!???!?!???!??!??!?'
Would be wrong to keep it short! ;) | |
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Posted: 7/24/2012 3:39:36 AM | | I'm 5f 6, know how you feel about women wanting a taller man. I just accept it and although it doesn't always bring lots of results back through pof, I hope that someone unique is out there who actually accepts someone's height. There is someone out there for everyone. | |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:21:01 AM | It is about understanding the balance of what exists in the world around you. To deny that height discrimination does not exist is utterly foolish and delusional. To deny height discrimination is the equivalent to denying sexism, homophobia, racism or anti-semitism. Believe it or not, there is even attractiveness discrimination. Modern society and standards created by the media and so on are further magnifying these problems.
Some of these issues were not as severe back in the 70s for instance. Certainly people are less racist or homophobic today than they used to be, but be warned, height discrimination and attractiveness discrimination is on the increase. Society is placing an increasing amount of pressure on the value of appearance, especially for the younger generation.
Tackling height discrimination has split into 2 camps. There is the national organization of short statured adults (NOSSA) who fully recognise the existence of, and problems caused by height discrimination. They are trying to get society to change its bias against short men in particular (as discrimination is far more prevalent against short men than it is against short women). Basically, they want society to stop discriminating against shorter people. But that is going to be a long and hard battle for decades to come. Look at the evolution of combatting racism, anti-semitism and homophobia as an example.
The other camp is devoted to helping individual men change themselves rather than society. One example is the website "make me taller" where men who have actually undergone leg lengthening surgery have told of their joy of eliminating or reducing any further experiences of height discrimination. Again to deny that this is happening is delusional becuase there are numerous reports of people who have successfully gone through the leg lengthening surgery process. I predict here and now that within 10 - 20 years many more men will be making themselves taller via some form of surgery or procedure. Look at the evolution of breast enhancement surgery as an example.
My happiness as an individual rests on the foundations of achieving certain "keys in life". These keys are 1. being in a loving long-term relationship, 2. having a long-term job and 3. feeling comfortable in the long-term with my appearance. Different strategies and different solutions are required in order to achieve these keys.
The most important key is being in a long-term loving relationship. My reason for that is because even when I was working in long term employment, I was still very much lonely and still very much unhappy. When will people learn that relationships are far more valuable than money? The support and joy from being in a long term-relationship would have a profound positive effect on how I feel about my appearance in addition to my motivation for returning to long-term employment. Therefore I have to look at how I am going to achieve such a goal. I have already proven that having a job alone is not the answer to my problem.
Telling me that being a shorter male has no negative impact on my romantic opportunities whatsoever, that I have just as much of a chance as a taller man is utterly foolish and utterly delusional. The real debate is about accurately measuring the level of that negative impact. You are right, there are short men who find relationships, therefore my problem is entirely psychological. Silly me. But ok then, you tell me why I am single now, and have been for over decade. Don't tell me, bad luck right or perhaps my personality? I have a wonderful personality and I can tell you that many women have told me that they would date me if only I was taller. Well im sorry but my patience has worn away and I am no longer willing to delude myself with pep talks. I want results now. It is like the manager whose football team keeps losing matches but yet he keeps on trying to convince everyone that his team's next match will be the beginning of a successfull winning streak. Once a manager has lost a certain number of games, he gets fired. End of.
My intellectual research and my own experiences with women thus far have lead me to confirm my belief. Some short men are luckier than others and have different experiences depending on who they meet. If I got lucky in my 20s for example and was today in a long term loving relationship, I would have experienced far less height discrimination, because I would not be on the dating market. More importantly I would most likely not be the unhappy person that I am now. Of course there is nothing medically wrong with my height. Most young women are utterly shallow and have unrealistic standards such as expecting a man to be at least 5 feet 9, in order for him to be attractive enough. However, I cannot change what women think.
Therefore there are only 2 ways for me to achieve my particular goal. The first is for me to simply continue to play the numbers game. Keep on meeting women wherever and whenever possible and if I get rejected, I should simply just move on to the next woman. I should forget about my height and let my natural confidence and personality shine through. Surely my luck is bound to come good at some point right?
However, I am a human being and everyone has his or her breaking point. I have already undergone this strategy for many years but with no success whatsoever. Life is not a training montage from Rocky where belief and determination alone will result in the required achievement. Thats hollywood brainwashing. What I have gained is valuable feedback that I would definintely have had numerous romantic opportunities had I been 3-4 inches taller. I would rather die than accept having to go much longer without success. I am already 31, I deserve to be currently in, or at least have been in numerous long-term relationships by now. My life cannot remain in its current situation. I have gone through this too many times. I do not want to be rejected anymore for being under 5 feet 9. Under 6 feet or some other reason other than my height, ok yes thats fine. I am not that greedy. But no more simply for being under 5 feet 9. I am sick to death of it.
Therefore I look to actually becomming taller myself through surgery in order to increase my chances. Despite my instincts to undergo such a strategy, if I really was mentally ill, I would have undergone this surgery years ago. I began contact my orthopaedic surgeon back in 2005. I have been studying and considering this surgery with intelect and with caution during all that time. I have tried to live my life without this surgery for as long as possible. But I simply do not have the strength to rely on my level of luck anymore. I need more luck. To me, it is no different from, for example, trying to apply for a job without the relevant qualifications. Keep telling yourself that eventually you will get that job but all the while you have bills to pay with no salary coming in. Ones chances for certain jobs in the job market are minimal without the relevant qualifications or currency. Adequate height is a currency that I simply do not have.
My conclusion at this point, is that I am going to explore the possibility of having a so-called "mental disorder" simply becuase I have no realistic alternative at this point. I am waiting for a new leg lengthening technology to arrive in 2013. The other reason is also to placate some of my friends or family who oppose my decision for the surgery. Not everyone disagrees. Some of my friends actually support my proposal. My appointment with the mental health professionals is on the 9th of August. The NHS have been useless thus far and have been flaffing about all this time. I am going to ask them to put me on medication as my most realistic chance of effective treatment at this point. It almost does not even matter whether or not I have a mental disorder, if surgery turns out to be only thing that can make me happy, then im going to take that risk. Life is not handed on a silver spoon. Sometimes you have to take risks or do some crazy shit in order to move forward with your life.
Regardless of the outcome of my treatment from the NHS, simply out of curiousity itself, I will be visiting my orthopaedic surgeon in approximately October in order to be fully informed of the advantages and disadvantages of the NEW leg lengthening procedure due in 2013, just to at least understand how it all works if nothing else. Leg lengthing surgery technology is on the increase which is why in 10 - 20 years people won't even be having this debate. Men that feel short will just go and get a height job. I wonder how many people regret having a nose job for instance. One of my friends had a nose job and I can't tell you how much happier she has become with her life as a reult.
That therefore allows, in all probability, one year for the NHS to cure my so called "disorder", or for a miracle to happen where I somehow meet a woman to whom my height is not an issue and with whom I can begin a long term relationship.
If I fail to achieve my relationship goal or remain uncomfortable with my height by that deadline, then I am definintely going ahead with the surgery and if I can't have the surgery, (as I am fearful that one of my friends or my family might try to sabbotage my opportunity "for my own good"), then my reaction will be seek the means to end my life.
I realise that my words sound somewhat distressing, but this is who I am. Take it or leave it. I am being honest and I am being myself and letting you know where things stand. | |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:21:44 AM | Here is the link:
http://vimeo.com/6780321
just so you know for reference
I am 166.5 cm tall = between 5 feet 5 (1/2) and 5 feet 5 (3/4) | |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:34:51 AM | | Unfortunately again i think it comes to self esteem - i have always wanted to be taller!! im only 5'9, but is that average??? i dont know and not particularly fussed! i'm me and i know that people always want what they cant or will struggle to have. Chin up OP, sod the surgery and be grateful your still on this planet to complain in the first place! | |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:37:34 AM | | I saw a woman's profile today that stated 'nobody under 6ft' even if you are 5,11 and half.................SERIOUSLY? She would turn down a great guy, because of half an inch. How can you even tell the difference between 6ft and 5,11 and half anyway??? | |
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