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| | Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People DeadPage 2 of 6 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) | Sorry, you people don't get it..in fact you never will.
A hobbyist, which is what most gun owners are, lack any sense of training, in regards to a situation like this. He11 even professionals such as bodyguards, police and military personnel, have difficulty reacting under the stress of a combat situation, and that is exactly what this was!
Add to that the confusion of people running, a dark theater, a gas grenade you have a recipe for disaster!
Remember professionals only take shots, when they know the outcome BEFORE they pull the trigger...even then we have many incidents like Tillman who was killed by friendly fire, or the guy in Brooklyn who was shot to death reaching for his wallet, or any number of other incidents. That you would allude to someone...anyone being armed in a theater, then trying to engage this wacko, with a gun only shows how deluded you gun owners REALLY are.
All you dirty harrys and harriets who watch too much TV, and think because you do some target shooting, you can easily aim and fire your weapon effectively at what is NOT a stationary target, but a moving one, who well might start shooting back at you, is absurd!
Like I have always maintained, I have no problem with people keeping their guns. I DO have a problem with extensive magazines with 30 shot clips, or assualt weapons that fire automatically. I DO have a problem with NO restrictions on purchases, or poor background checks.
Then again, you folks think everyone should be armed. Guess we don't have enough killing in this country... | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 2:46:24 PM |
And HOW will the NRA spin this one?
Just like most people would expect them to:
The NRA & A Right Wing Congressman Waste No Time Embarrassing Themselves Over Theater 9 Shooting
Written by The Cajun Boy
07.20.12
...Yes, jackasses are already beginning to emerge in the wake of the Theater 9 shooting. Can’t people wait at least 24 hours post-tragedy to show their asses? Let us all at least have time to process the terrible images trickling onto the web first. Seriously, is that too much to ask?
Take, for instance, whoever runs the Twitter account for the NRA’s official magazine, American Rifleman… ( http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Picture-35.png )
And then there’s Rep. Louie Gohmert, the staggering dipshit best known for getting absolutely pwned by Anderson Cooper over his insane “terror babies” conspiracy theory. The first paragraph of this story on his impossibly dumb remarks today reads like the lede of an Onion story.
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.
Yes, Gohmert actually said this: “It does make me wonder, with all those people in the theater, was there nobody that was carrying a gun that could have stopped this guy more quickly?” In other words, a sitting member of Congress found fault in the victims of the attack and apparently fantasizes about a 21st century America that more resembles the days of the Wild West than it does a modern, evolved society.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to live in a country where I need to be packing in self-defense when I go to the movies.
(UPDATE: The NRA issued a statement this afternoon saying that the person in charge of the American Rifleman Twitter account was ignorant of the Theater 9 slayings when he or she composed the tweet above. The irony of it all, however, remains noteworthy.)
Read more: http://www.uproxx.com/webculture/2012/07/the-nra-a-right-wing-congressman-waste-no-time-embarrassing-themselves-over-theater-9-shooting/#ixzz21CYndTED | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:10:18 PM | a neuroscience doctoral student who apparently was leaving his studies. drugs? psychopathy that led him to his major? spec scan his brain and i am sure something is missing or awry. whatever. we will see. good thing there is victim witness $$ for those who don't have health insurance. sad, this has to happen to get medical treatment.
could hot help but just cry out of frustration/empathy for everyone involved. aside from the blood and gore, what really shook me was the girl who ducked and now carries the horror and guilt about those behind her who got the bullet. kind of like the truck driver here in my town who plowed into a suicide victim or the train engineer who quit work and had to go on disablity with severe post trauma having hit another suicide victim.
homicide and suicide and just protecting oneself or fleeing while stepping over bodies, are all things that will haunt for the rest of people's lives. some are heroes and try to help, some die doing it, most are not able.
i pity the mom as well, under assumption which will be proved (or not) that this person was not an abused basket case grown up. even if innocent, she will be blamed. is there mental health services for a mom with a child like that? very limited. law says innocent until you do something like this. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:32:12 PM | It's really time that people got some spine with the NRA and start working on some common sense gun controls. This guy shot 71 people with *legally purchased* guns. What is the NRA's answer? That more people should have guns? WTF.
Deregulation hasn't worked in the market, and it's not working with gun control, either. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:43:16 PM | It's unfortunate that this sort of thing has to become a discussion of gun control versus the merits of arming everyone.
These kinds of incidents can even happen in Norway, which has very strong gun control. As for more guns being the answer: it isn't a paucity of guns which causes America to have the worst record in the first world in gun violence. More would make it worse. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:44:00 PM | luv the way the gun nuts say if someone was armed they could have stopped this.
Once again, name-calling. Instead of covering up the weakness of your arguments, it highlights it.
how many more have to die before we do something? This isn't the freakin 19th century!
This isn't a dictatorship, either--at least not yet. If you want to work to repeal the Second Amendment, no one is stopping you. Until then, it is the law, and no one gets to ignore it. You still haven't explained what basis there would have been for prohibiting Holmes from having guns.
So then, your happy about all the people around the country being shot?
There is good evidence that guns save more lives than they take in this country by deterring and disabling criminals. So then, are you happy about all the people around the country being shot because of laws which restrict the right to carry guns?
Yes, jackasses are already beginning to emerge in the wake of the Theater 9 shooting.
And you saw fit to quote drivel from one of them. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:53:13 PM | So then, are you happy about all the people around the country being shot because of laws which restrict the right to carry guns?
Colorado IS a "concealed carry" state... It is also a "castle doctrine" and "stand your ground" state... I think you need to revise your thesis as those facts tend to make it sound incredibly ludicrous (not to mention ignorant of reality)...
Colorado has all the elements necessary for your assertion and yet not one of them made any difference... particularly to the victims... | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:59:15 PM | | even worse than the NRA comment (which could have been an ignorant error), was the comment from celeboutique trying to use the occasion to try to sell kim kardashian dresses. one just cant go any lower, and I think there should be a boycott on kim kardashian everything!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 4:18:39 PM | (yawn) blah blah blah...weakness of your arguments?
No one on this thread but YOU, mentioned repealing the second amendment...however some common sense approaches seem appropriate. Automatic weapons seem fit for warfare, not for home use. 30 round clips or magazines are not neccessary to enjoy your guns. The efficiency of these killings correlate directly to the firepower of the weapons these wackos select...
"There is good evidence that guns save more lives than they take in this country"
Oh really? Why not tell that to the 10,000 victims EVERY year for the last 8 who died of gun violence. Or their families and friends...
"You still haven't explained what basis there would have been for prohibiting Holmes from having guns"
Duh! Since all we have is sketchy information on him, how would I know that? Even given that, could he have done as much damage WITHOUT clips or magazines with so many rounds? AGAIN, this isn't the 19th century where you had to protect the family from wild animals or indian raids...the only ones who need such firepower is the military. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 4:22:16 PM | Instead of covering up the weakness of your arguments, it highlights it.
There is no weakness in the argument that someone else being armed in that theater would be virtually worthless against an armored assailant. The obvious weakness in this thread so far is your bizarre contention that more armed people equals less crime or death. What a crock. More armed people means criminals will escalate their violence in response to the increased threat against them. That's just Human Nature 101.
You clearly have never been in combat or a gun battle where someone is actually shooting back at you. The default result is that more bullets fly - and miss - putting even more innocents at risk. The solution here would have had to involve actions taken before this psycho entered the theater, not after.
A possible solution, that you do not respect, is to actually make it harder for people to acquire assault rifles - which is the only weapon this guy used. Yes, they have been available for 'some time now'. Ya know why? Because the NRA keeps selling their happy horseshit that one MUST have an AR-15 to kill bambi - such is the apparent incompetence of the mighty hunter....
But you and I both know that's not the real reason to sell as many assault rifles as possible - or why politicians need to be bought by NRA lobbyists. The REAL reason is to take full advantage of the Frightened Little Man Syndrome. We should all be thankful for the strategy of encouraging chickenshits to carry guns. It gives us great Americans like George Zimmerman.
Yeah, let's make sure 10% of all movie goers now have assault rifles - with armor piercing bullets - at the next Ice Age movie. That's no doubt precisely what the framers of the constitution had in mind with a well-regulated militia..... | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 4:24:17 PM |
So then, are you happy about all the people around the country being shot because of laws which restrict the right to carry guns?
I forgot to mention... Colorado also allows "open carry" (which MIGHT explain how he was able to get to the theatre with a rifle in tow and nobody ask any questions)... I guess that REALLY shows the "ignorance of reality" in your thesis... | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 4:56:07 PM | @ Nr 11 ...
" ... When will we finally deal with this problem. When will we finally realize that crazy people can buy guns far too easily. Now lets wait and hear from all the gun wackos on the site! ... "
YOU, as a private, uninformed, individual, have every right to make a personal decision to not own or use firearms - for yourself. I, and everyone else, as private individuals, are GUARANTEED the RIGHT to 'keep and bear arms' for personal defense against tyranny in all forms and, if necessary, our government. The right to personal protection is a natural right. It is not one that can be denied at the whim of some 'oh-guns-are-bad-nobody-should-own-one' nanny-state control freak. It is included in our fee simple bundle of HUMAN rights we get at birth. If others choose to never purchase or learn to use a firearm, that's on them. If they can't defend themselves when the time comes, that's on them. If they become a statistic as a result of their choice to remain unarmed and unable to defend themself and their family, that's on them. They do NOT have a right to dictate that everyone else do as they do - but you obviously believe that you somehow have that right. Here's the latest news: You DON'T.
The fact that this and every other movie house in the US is classed as a 'gun-free zone' merely means that there was NO ONE present with a LAWFUL means of stopping this assault on unarmed citizens. Just like Virgina Tech. Just like Columbine. Every 'Gun Free Zone' in the country needs to be reclassified as a 'Killing Field' because the message that sign sends to a criminal is that there is NO ONE present with the means to stop them from killing as many people as they can - or want to - before they're stopped by law enforcement ... who are never on-site when the shooting starts.
The fact that CO is an 'open carry' state is irrelevant when it comes to bringing weapons into a theatre because they're considered 'gun free zones'. So much for that 'argument' ... seems there's more than one way to be 'ignorant of reality'. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:14:08 PM | | You can have all the gun control in the US, that's not going to stop guys like this man from getting one and doing what he did. So he couldn't buy a gun legally he'll just find one from underground connections via gangs. iilegal arms trade is a huge ongoing problem and many of these illegal arms that come into the U.S. are goming from South America and North Korea. All gun control will do is prevent those that are good from protecting themself and allow criminals to go around continuing to use guns to terrorize innocent people, because criminals could care two craps less about laws they will just use gun control to their advantage instead. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:21:08 PM | Society has again... failed.
His neighbors didn't knew anything about him, why not?
He kept to himself, why?
One neighbor, called police about his repetitive music being played and trusted her instincts enough not to open his door, (smart) to complain to his face. Did the police not listen to her? Did she tell the police this was abnormal and kind of weird? If so, did they take her seriously?
Another neighbor said "Hi" to the killer, he was ignored and even saw him packing two big black bags. In hindsight he speaks up about his suspicion. Why didn't that neighbor trust his instinct? Didn't want to appear foolish? Was afraid to get involved? Was afraid for himself?
The killer was fcked up and it seems only his mother might have been aware of this. Did she give up battling the system? His doctors and others?
He was angry and dramatic. Why so angry? What fueled his fire? Meds? Violence? The economy? Pride?
Why did he drop out of school? Too much stress? High expectations? Did he feel like an outcast?
Why, oh why, did he have access to guns in the first place? Someone MUST have known he shouldn't have.
As long as we keep living in a sick society, sick things will happen.
What are you going to do to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in your neighborhood? Follow your instincts? Know your neighbor? Make sure nut bars are kept far away from killing machines? Stop buying into the media's idea of what is "good" to watch, hear, provoke?
What the hell happened to this guy that he was so extreme? Are you going to make sure that all the sick shit that was put into his body doesn't get put into yours or your children's?
Paying attention instead of paying the price afterwards is a better bargain than free movie tickets and a sh*t load of "I should haves".
p.s. don't let your gov't or society decide what will be done different because of this, they allowed it in the first place. It's up to all of us as individuals to take responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen again.
To the families and friends, my heart goes out to you. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:22:58 PM | The fact that this and every other movie house in the US is classed as a 'gun-free zone' merely means that there was NO ONE present with a LAWFUL means of stopping this assault on unarmed citizens.
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The fact that CO is an 'open carry' state is irrelevant when it comes to bringing weapons into a theatre because they're considered 'gun free zones'. So much for that 'argument' ... seems there's more than one way to be 'ignorant of reality'.
Exactly WHICH FEDERAL LAW makes "this and every other movie house in the US" a "gun-free zone"...? Do you have the title of the statute which MANDATES this...? What makes it UNLAWFUL to carry a gun onto private property (in CO)...? What are the penalties for violating this hypothetical law (a law is required for it to be unlawful)...?
Or are you, in fact, suggesting that PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS don't have the RIGHT to make that determination for themselves...? Are YOU advocating the infringement or denial of their CONSTITUTIONAL AND PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS...? Are you suggesting that the Constitution applies not only to the acts of the feds but ALSO to the acts of the states and PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS on their PRIVATE PROPERTY...?
Is that what you are actually advocating...? | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:29:53 PM | steel
thats a good point mate and also the one about anders breivik in norway. there
was also the folk shot and killed in in france recently.
and in the uk we had the hungerford killings where 16 were killed and 15 wounded
then the dunblane massacre which claimed 16 children and one adult.
then there was the 12 folk killed and 11 injured by a lone gunman in cumbria
then the mess that was northern ireland
never having been around guns i would err to caution but i do wonder sometimes
about the massacres that occured in the uk and what a pity no one had the wherewithal
to put one in the napper of the rodents before the death toll rose.
sad day though for you folk over the pond | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:33:54 PM | thats a good point mate and also the one about anders breivik in norway. there
was also the folk shot and killed in in france recently.
and in the uk we had the hungerford killings where 16 were killed and 15 wounded
then the dunblane massacre which claimed 16 children and one adult.
then there was the 12 folk killed and 11 injured by a lone gunman in cumbria
And WHAT, exactly, is the TOTAL BODY COUNT from such incidents in gun control countries vs the US in the last decade or two alone...? What is the frequency of these incidents in gun control countries vs the US in that same period...? | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:39:12 PM | @ Nr 42 ...
Too lazy to do your own research ... ? Obviously. In future, do your own searches. See ya.
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The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) was enacted as section 1702 of the Crime Control Act of 1990.
It was subsequently declared to be an unconstitutional exercise of Congressional authority under the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution by the United States Supreme Court, and was therefore voided. This case, United States v. Lopez (1995), was the first time in over half a century that the Supreme Court limited Congressional authority to legislate under the Commerce Clause.
In a 2005 Appellate case, United States v Dorsey, the minor changes of the revised law were specifically challenged. In the Dorsey case, the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the minor changes were indeed sufficient to correct the issues that had caused the original 1990 law to be struck down in United States v Lopez, and they upheld Dorsey's conviction under the revised version of the law.
The Gun Free School Zones Act states:[6]
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
(iii) that is— (I) not loaded; and (II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;
(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.
(3) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), it shall be unlawful for any person, knowingly or with reckless disregard for the safety of another, to discharge or attempt to discharge a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the person knows is a school zone. (B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the discharge of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) as part of a program approved by a school in the school zone, by an individual who is participating in the program;
(iii) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in a school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual; or
(iv) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity.
(4) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed as preempting or preventing a State or local government from enacting a statute establishing gun free school zones as provided in this subsection. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:46:40 PM | Too lazy to do your own research ... ? Obviously. In future, do your own searches. See ya.
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The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) was enacted as section 1702 of the Crime Control Act of 1990.
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(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
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(4) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed as preempting or preventing a State or local government from enacting a statute establishing gun free school zones as provided in this subsection.
And this applies to movie theatres (or private property in general) in WHAT way, exactly...?
Too lazy to do your own thinking...? Obviously. In future, try thinking first... | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:49:31 PM | whats the point your trying to make?
is it some kind of competition of victims you seek? or are you trying, once
again, to be the obnoxious confrontational poster?
the total body count from the european countries is enough considering
we have gun control
what about the thousands killed in nothern ireland? where there is gun control?
is your use of caps lock meant to mean something? are you trying to be
the new (self)proclaimed intellectual know it all who posts on here?
a load of folk have just been murdered and your posting like a div
your not controversial, your not cutting edge, in fact you could pass for the pub bore
very easily.
if you need to show your intellectual prowess against us mere mortals feel free.
it took you to page 2 before you mentioned the victims but carry on mate. your making a pure
fvckin trotters of yourself | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:54:03 PM | Well first off, if we check the manufacturing of small arms, neither North Korea or any country in South America are in the top 15 in manufacturing of them. The highest producers of small arms is FIRST the USA, and Russia, everyone else comes in a distant 3rd...we produce 4 million hand guns a year...why would we need someone to smuggle them here? You can go down the street and get one for $50, on many corners in the worst area of town.
So much for that statement!
Now as to my other pal who calls me "uninformed" and "nanny-state control freak" or that I "believe that you somehow have that right"...Unlike you and your buddies, who use the constitution like toilet paper, shredding it to suit your individual desires...I am utilizing my right to "free speech"...or is that only allowed to you? LOL
As for your "GUARANTEED the RIGHT to 'keep and bear arms' for personal defense"..that only goes as far as owning them, yes no one is trying to take your toy away, or is it nipple? The reason this was a 'killing field' was because he could discharge multiple bullets without reloading, as in assault rifle...
"tyranny in all forms and, if neccessary, our government"
Yeah, why don't you try that? Why not take a stroll down to the white house and pull out your weapon of choice and try and discharge it? Be sure to let me know how that works out for ya! Hahahahahaha!!
You guys talk a big game, but your all full of it. Like another poster mentioned "scared little men"...like the teabaggers who show up and carry around guns..
Like I said, 10,000 gun deaths a year, who knows how many are wounded...and the beat goes on! 800 million guns owned world wide...and we have 225 million of them right here in the usa...out of our total population only 20% own guns...
you guys crack me up... | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:04:42 PM | it took you to page 2 before you mentioned the victims but carry on mate. your making a pure fvckin trotters of yourself
Actually, you may want to go look at my first post... nr. 12...
whats the point your trying to make?
My point should be obvious to anyone without blinkers on... If gun control reduces body counts then it is better than no control at all... I hope that explanation wasn't too deep...
is your use of caps lock meant to mean something?
Well, first off, I used the 'shift' key, not the 'caps lock'... second, it's for emphasis (you know, trying to make it at least somewhat conversational by emphasizing the words I would emphasize if I spoke them)... I hope that wasn't too deep either...
what about the thousands killed in nothern ireland? where there is gun control?
I might be mistaken about this but, didn't a lot of their guns (or at least the money to buy them from others) come from the US...? Wasn't the US like, the second biggest supplier...? | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:06:50 PM |
what about the thousands killed in nothern ireland? where there is gun control?
Lets put it in perspective. 10,000 people a year are killed in the US by guns. Between 1969 and 2001, 3,526 people were killed as a result of the Troubles. So during a particularly violent period of near civil war, in 32 years about 1/3 of the number of people killed every year in the US were killed in Northern Ireland.
And someone actually claimed that guns were being brought into the US from elsewhere? Would those be the same criminal gangs that are smuggling cocaine into Columbia? Or sneaking sand into Saudi Arabia? Hell, even at the gun markets in the Somalia half the guns there started in the US. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:07:40 PM | --could be that if we were more accustomed to open carry and folks less afraid of firearms, someone in the crowd could have taken the guy out before 14 lost their lives and more injured. Yep, I'm a gun rights wacko. :))
Right, that's exactly what was needed. Another bloody eejit firing a weapon in a dark, crowded movie theater with mass hysteria and people running and hiding.
Honestly, I truly despair when I read such a half-baked retort such as this. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:14:53 PM | Well first off, if we check the manufacturing of small arms, neither North Korea or any country in South America are in the top 15 in manufacturing of them. The highest producers of small arms is FIRST the USA, and Russia, everyone else comes in a distant 3rd...we produce 4 million hand guns a year...why would we need someone to smuggle them here? You can go down the street and get one for $50, on many corners in the worst area of town
I think you missed the point in regards to you can have all the gun control you want in this country it doesn't matter because people will go find them elsewhere from other means that have ties to gun smuggling. As for gun control, Mexico and Colombia are gun control countries and they are the two biggest murderous countries in the western hemisphere from gun violence. So soo much for your statement in trying to control guns by using gun control as a means to do it.
There are more guns in this world then there are people. Guns have been around since the 1500's. if you think you can somehow control guns as if that's just going to suddenly stop people from getting them, you're dreaming. We tried that with illegal drugs and how well has that been working for us? Pot is the most highly sought after illegal drug and we tried to control it for years and did that stop criminals from smuggling it and bringing it over to the U.S.? Nope Crack is another example of that as well. You try to ban guns in this country and the same thing will happen like with illegal drugs. Guns like illegal drugs are here to stay and there isn't anything that's going to stop them from continuing to come into this country and people from getting them. | |
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