I wonder how well your example would hold up if you had to rely on countries that were equally or less corrupt than the US

Because those countries are run by the criminals

i did and i'll say it again i know what you are getting at and those countries have had like i said laws in place to control gun violence with ther latest attacks on gangs in their country and even with gun control in place in those countries they have not made any diff or has the attempts by their gov like we have seen in mexico recently to control the gun violence there.

i did and i'll say it again i know what you are getting at and those countries have had like i said laws in place to control gun violence with ther latest attacks on gangs in their country and even with gun control in place in those countries they have not made any diff or has the attempts by their gov like we have seen in mexico recently to control the gun violence there.

No you missed the point i stated that they won't work as in controlling guns in this country with gun control laws. sure you can try to reduce it but you will never be able to control it.

billions of dollars have been spent trying to control the illegal arms trade coming into this country and it has yet to get that segment of arms trade undercontrol.

There is no weakness in the argument that someone else being armed in that theater would be virtually worthless against an armored assailant. The obvious weakness in this thread so far is your bizarre contention that more armed people equals less crime or death. What a crock. More armed people means criminals will escalate their violence in response to the increased threat against them. That's just Human Nature 101.

You clearly have never been in combat or a gun battle where someone is actually shooting back at you. The default result is that more bullets fly - and miss - putting even more innocents at risk. The solution here would have had to involve actions taken before this psycho entered the theater, not after.

A possible solution, that you do not respect, is to actually make it harder for people to acquire assault rifles - which is the only weapon this guy used. Yes, they have been available for 'some time now'. Ya know why? Because the NRA keeps selling their happy horseshit that one MUST have an AR-15 to kill bambi - such is the apparent incompetence of the mighty hunter....

But you and I both know that's not the real reason to sell as many assault rifles as possible - or why politicians need to be bought by NRA lobbyists. The REAL reason is to take full advantage of the Frightened Little Man Syndrome. We should all be thankful for the strategy of encouraging chickenshits to carry guns. It gives us great Americans like George Zimmerman.

Yeah, let's make sure 10% of all movie goers now have assault rifles - with armor piercing bullets - at the next Ice Age movie. That's no doubt precisely what the framers of the constitution had in mind with a well-regulated militia.....

According to who?

Do you have a source you can cite for this claim?

your bizarre contention that more armed people equals less crime or death. What a crock. More armed people means criminals will escalate their violence in response to the increased threat against them.

That's no doubt precisely what the framers of the constitution had in mind with a well-regulated militia.....

Yeah i actually do but i'm still waiting on who these criminals that are running those two countries are that you speak about.

"Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes purchased 6,000 rounds of ammunition, along with four guns, online in the weeks leading up to the tragic event that claimed numerous lives and left dozens injured at a movie theater outside Denver."

Your much vaunted 2nd amendment rights

how about we bring back the death penalty and rigouriously use it?
how about .when someone is convicted of a violent crime..they do every single second of their sentance

In Israel... for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms...

It is forbidden in Israel to own any kind of firearm, including air pistols and rifles, without a firearms license. Israel Defense Forces officers honorably discharged with the rank of non-commissioned officer, reservists honorably discharged with the rank of regimental commander, ex-special forces enlisted men, retired police officers with the rank of sergeant, retired prison guards with the rank of squadron commander, licensed public transportation drivers transporting a minimum of five people, and full-time dealers of jewellery or large sums of cash or valuables, Civil Guard volunteers, and residents of militarily strategic buffer zones considered essential to state security are eligible for licenses allowing them to possess one handgun. Reservists honorably discharged with the rank of regimental commander are also eligible for licences allowing them to possess one rifle. Licensed hunters may possess one shotgun, and licensed animal-control officers are allowed to possess two rifles. Civil Guard snipers may possess one rifle. To legally own a gun as a souvenir, prize, inheritance, or award of appreciation from the military, an individual must first present proper documentation that they are about to receive it. Permits for gun collectors are extremely rare, and typically only given to ex-high-ranking officers. To obtain a gun license, an applicant must be a resident of Israel for at least three consecutive years, have no criminal record, be in good health, have no history of mental illness, pass a weapons-training course, and be over a certain age (20 for women who completed military service or civil service equivalent, 21 for men who completed military service or civil service equivalent, 27 for those who did not complete military service or civil service equivalent, 45 for residents of East Jerusalem). Gun licenses must be renewed every three years. Firearms permits are given only for personal use, not for business in the firearms sale. Permit holders for self-defense purposes may own only one handgun, and may purchase a maximum of fifty rounds a year, except for those shot at firing ranges.

Residents of Israeli settlements in the West Bank are issued assault rifles and ammunition by the army, and are given civil defense training. However, the rifles and munitions are property of the army, and may be confiscated at any time.

Members of officially recognized shooting clubs (practical shooting, Olympic shooting) are eligible for personal licenses allowing them to possess additional firearms (small bore rifles, handguns, air rifles and air pistols) after demonstrating a need and fulfilling minimum membership time and activity requirements. Unlicensed individuals are allowed supervised use of pistols at firing ranges. Following a number of cases of firearm-related suicides at firing ranges, private individuals who do not own firearms are required to present a certificate of good conduct and a physician's health declaration in order to shoot at commercial firing ranges.

Self-defense firearms may be carried in public, concealed or openly. Israel is notable for being a country with few places where firearms are off limits to licensed individuals (private premises, some government offices and institutions, courts).

In addition to private licenses of firearms, organizations can issue carry licenses to their members for activity related to that organization (e.g. security companies, shooting clubs, other workplaces).

Soldiers are allowed to carry their personal weapons and ammunition while on furlough during active service, uniformed or in civilian clothing.

There are about 200,000 private citizens and 154,000 security guards licensed to carry firearms. Another 34,000 Israelis who were previously licensed own guns illegally due to their failure to renew their gun license.[36][37]

The regulation for gun ownership became stricter following the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995. Gun ownership in Israel is considered a privilege and not a right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics#Israel

so..you want america to be more like the swiss?.......BRING IT ON!

percentage of households with a gun in them?.............oops..there the numbers are much more skewed...in favor of the swiss.......well over 60% of households have a gun in them.....AND a minimum of 200 rounds of ammo........PLUS 7 fully loaded magizines

Up until October 2007, a specified personal retention quantity of government-issued personal ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm) was issued as well, which was sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use had taken place.[4] The ammunition was intended for use while traveling to the army barracks in case of invasion.

In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still have ammunition stored at home today.

The Swiss Army maintains tight adherence to high standards of lawful military conduct. In 2005, for example, when the Swiss prosecuted recruits who had reenacted the torture scenes of Abu Ghraib, one of the charges was improper use of service weapons.

To carry firearms in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragschein (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.

There are three conditions:

* fulfilling the conditions for buying a permit (see section below)
* stating plausibly the need to carry firearms to protect oneself, other people, or real property from a specified danger
* passing an examination proving both weapon handling skills and knowledge regarding lawful use of the weapon

Guns may be transported in public as long as an appropriate justification is present. This means to transport a gun in public, the following requirements apply:

* The ammunition must be separated from the gun, no ammunition in a magazine.
* The transport has to be direct, i.e.:
o For courses or exercises hosted by marksmanship, hunting or military organisations,
o To an army warehouse and back,
o To and from a holder of a valid arms trade permit,
o To and from a specific event, i.e. gun shows.

why are there less gun committed murders there?.......cause the criminals know dang well that someone..or several someones within earshot have got said gun handy are are willing to defend their home/neighborhoods

I doubt very much that North Korea who has ZERO ability to export anything to this country..is a major supplier here!

So you don't believe that corrupt gov't officials, up and down the "chain of command" from high functionaries to beat cops, that take kick backs and pay-offs from drug lords and other organized criminals are criminal...?

Not hard to find.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-28/north-korea-smuggling-weapons-components-selling-arms-abroad-cohen-says.html

Who are they then.

NEWSFLASH!!...the Colorado shooter did'nt really do it....somebody did it for him!!