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Posted: 8/18/2005 2:32:51 PM | Irish stew is easy to make and if made with mutton and cooked slowly will be both flavorsome and tender. Mutton, being an older meat, has more flavor than lamb but does need to be cooked for a couple of hours over a low heat with liquid. It should not be allowed to boil or the flavor will be spoiled. There is little agreement as to the classic recipe - should there be carrots? Should the meat be browned? Should mutton, lamb, beef, bacon or even kid be used? The following dish will be found to be hearty and nourishing and traditional enough.
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2 1/2 lb boned mutton
4 large potatoes
2 large onions
3 or 4 medium carrots
sprig of parsley
2 cups water
salt and pepper
(serves four)
Sometimes we guys can think a little too much too long and too often about life’s unsolvable enigmas. | |
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Posted: 8/18/2005 4:18:56 PM |
It's not the fact that nice guys finish last, it's the fact that nice guys are with the wrong women.
I mean you can say that about women as well, nice women finish last as well. I can name a few women that were great to the ones they loved and ended up getting screwd over in the end.
So maybe the people that are getting screwd over are just finding the wrong people in the end.
I find it if you get away from the Bar scene your odds of finding someone that you want to spend the rest of your life with is prob much greater then finding the love of your life in a bar.
Yep, I mostly agree with that.
Trouble is, where do you go to meet someone? School was the last great social forum I was in. Workplace, has never worked out for me. Leaving, like no options.
One friend of mine usually meets ppl through friends, but nobody I know knows anybody single.
Get's a little frustrating, like right now, I just want to go out on dates and have a nice time, like dinner, concert that sorta thing.
But where does a 30 somthing guy go???? | |
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Posted: 8/18/2005 4:26:15 PM |
Nice guys don't finish last... they are just barking up the wrong trees...lol
I'm thinking a red tree would be the right tree. lol | |
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Posted: 8/18/2005 4:35:51 PM | The girl I was with loved how good i was to her for a while, then started complaining everything was too perfect, that she wanted to have fights sometimes and for me to be dominant over her.
Thing is, I was a little over acomodating to her for a while, but her last few relationships were terrible. One guy left her on valentines day, phoned her when they were supposed to be going out to dinner, another guy broke her nose. and nobody has ever bought her flowers.
I wanted to give her the romance, show her that life isn't about abuse. and I really just wanted to be good to her, because I loved her very much.
I may be a little jaded here, but i'm finding that the romantic thing, just isn't really what girls in general actually want. hopefully that's an incorrect observation, but thus far. it has rung true in my life.
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Posted: 8/18/2005 5:13:32 PM | I'd like to think that that is in fact an incorrect observation and generalization ...
Not all women hate romance. just like not all men are azzholes...........
Don't make the innocent pay for the wrong doings of others..
that's not fair to them, or to yourself . for through those observations you could be denying yourself your MR or MRS RIGHT................................
Happiness to all..
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Posted: 8/18/2005 6:16:58 PM | | Every bodys life travels are different and how you cope with hurt may be different than the way i cope with it.I have gave up on dating at 30.What i have seen and heard if you are nice and honest that means you are weak according to 99.9% of women.You can not be nice by opening doors,Flowers,bring them lunch,do thing at the spare of the moment....Women do not like that.Most are scared of it.But when loser boy shows up.You know the type.Lazy,Abusive,Drug addict.She will worship the ground he walks on.But will tell you she wants a nice guy.I wish i had a dollar everytime i heard this...The bottom line is what women say and do are 2 different things.But are willing to lead the nice guy on.It is all a game to them.They careless. | |
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Posted: 8/18/2005 6:27:15 PM | No they are not. That is a typical "nice guy excuse".
Some women ( the ones with low self-esteem) will prefer being with men that treat them as they expect to be treated. Other women, for some reason - perhaps maternal, want to "help" the " poor and misunderstood" guys. Both those women should be avoided, as they make poor long term prospects for good relationships.
You can not be nice by opening doors,Flowers,bring them lunch,do thing at the spare of the moment....Women do not like that.
Most women appreciate those things, at least the normal ones. What they do don't appreciate are guys that have little confidence. Those guys that are indecisive, and living " for them." Those are typical traits of "nice guys" .
If you can couple those traits that I mentioned above, and maintain yourself as a gentleman - you will almost certainly have success with healthy, well-balanced , women. | |
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Posted: 8/18/2005 6:47:31 PM | | ^^^That is your opinion.What you have observed in your life may be different than the next.If you think most women like being treated good.That is your opinion.I do not play the fools game.Gave it up when i hit 30...Like i siad before i wish i had a dollar every time i hear a woman that say i want a nice guy,But worship a lazy,abuser,drugie.If that is nice.Then i guess i live in the land of OZ. | |
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Posted: 8/18/2005 6:50:55 PM | You get what you reflect. Attitude determines all.
If you think all women are messed up, hate men that treat them right, and want to be abused - you will send off that "vibe" every time you interact with them. That will make your opinons and attitudes ( even ones you do not notice ) direct you in a self-fulfilling prophecy. | |
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Posted: 8/18/2005 7:06:36 PM | | I love my prophecy.I choose that.I do not play games that women play..Gave up on it when i hit 30.Best thing i ever did.Since then i got my life together.I got my pride and mental health...That is something most of the men i work with do not have.I work with 30 men.Half of them are divorce and the other half wish they were.They pretty much live a life of hell.I have no intentions to hook up with a srew up woman....I do not deal with rejection.I have to many other things to do in my life to kiss a womans butt.Just to see her go with Mr.Macho man.If another man want to play that game.Then go for it.What ever floats your boat | |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 1:08:04 AM | | I am said to say you are absolutely right. There are some exceptions to this but most men will never meet any and if they do they will already be taken or some other practical obstacle will make it impossible to enter a relationship with such a person. I'm not gay, but I hate most women. They are easily the more cruel of the sexes. No contest. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 7:57:05 AM |
Hey to all the NICE GUYS OUT THERE>
Don't become ***holes PLEASE there are already too many of them....
Nice Guys don't always finish last , often times it just takes us REAL WOMEN longer to find you once we've filtered through all those ***holes as formentioned. (ha !ha!)...
We've all heard of CROWD CONTROL . someone should come up with ***hole CONTROL.Don't ya all think?
TO the original MR NICE GUY. I have something to share with you and everyone else. but as you are the one who began this thread I'm addressing it to you..................
I'd like to believe that, but slowly bit by bit, i'm becoming more and more jaded and actually starting to not care about romance anymore. I'm really sick of seeing ***holes who treat girls like garbage, get chance after chance after chance.
I know 3 girls who were used by the same guy, they are like sisters, well 2 of them are sisters biologically. He talked his way into each of their beds, and he's held a knife to one of their throats (dull side, which is still sick), does and sells drugs, steals, total alcoholic, can't hold down a job for more than a month and they think he's such a great guy.
These girls are really decent girls too. Just a small example of what I see in my life, yes I guess I am a little bitter, but I don't hate females nor am I even the slightest bit with bad feelings, I just hate the circumstances.
I am on a very amazing career track and I just want someone I can love and depend on to share my life with.
But the ***holes get unlimited chances.
Whereas me, tho i'm not a door mat, but would do anything to make someone special know how special she is, will never get an honest chance. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 8:36:38 AM | I don't agree that these girls are so decent. They are attracted to this guy for a reason. He represents something they value. I do honestly find the personalities of most women repellent. Many women (but not all) see strength and courage where there is none and absolutely cannot discern any value in men who are courteous, honest, or respectful.
Example:
I was doing my laundry in a public laundramat a few years ago. This woman came in and was talking to an old woman about a person I knew. When I heard the gossip start I made the mistake of talking to her and correcting her because I knew she was lying.
She got infuriated and called her boyfriend in to deal with me. Now, I never threatened her and I had been standing on the other side of the launrdamat the whole time.
So her boyfriend comes in. The man is about 6'3" and must out wiegh me by at least 120 pounds. And he calls me out. So I went outside and I took my shirt off (it was a nice shirt, I didn't want to get anything on it) and cracked my neck and my knuckles and I was about to do something really stupid that probably would have gotten me arrested.
Suddenly the guy starts shuttering in fear and runs and gets his cell phone! He calls the police! Apparently he wasn't used to other men actually fighting him back. He panicked and called the police.
So I waited for the police to arrive. I told the police what happened and they looked at me and they looked at the other guy and told him he was a pu$$y and left. No big deal.
But get this!
As I am walking back to my apartment his girlfriend yells, "YOU COWARD" ! --at me.
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Lets review:
6 foot 3, 280 pound man starts fight with 5 foot 8, 145 pound man. 5 foot 8 man doesn't back down.
6 foot 3 man runs away and finds a cell phone to call the police.
5 foot 8 man waits with the 6 foot 3 man until the police arrive.
So this makes the 5 foot 8 man a coward.
Its logical to Barbi.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 8:41:05 AM | You had every right to warn her in correctiveness! Gossip injures.. and it is a spiritual thing for me to avoid it at all costs...
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:29:47 AM | | I agree with you 100% lizard man.I wish you the best of luck. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 1:48:05 PM | Love the way you express yourself..
IE> logical to barbi. hahaha
You did the right thing...
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Posted: 8/20/2005 2:27:38 PM | There's a BIG diffence between a nice guy and a Wussy...which is exactly what your post tells me you were with her.
Challenge women, they have no respect for a pushover...no matter how often they tell you otherwise (that's just a setup for later when she wants something from you).
Let her know she's lucky to be with you...not the other way around. You can show her you like her, and respect her, just do it with actions, not words. In fact, best situation possible is to make yourself the prize in a competition between 2 (or more) women.. they hate it if another woman gets "her" man.
Most important...if you are interested in a woman and she rebuffs you, BREAK IT OFF IMMEDIATELY. No contact other than casual. If she can get "companionship" from you without a sexual relationship - she will. I doubt there are any "nice" guys on the board that haven't had a woman they were in love with use them as a "fallback guy" to complain to and get affirmation from, all the while going after other men. hell, most of the time they say things like "Why can't I ever find a guy like you?". Am I wrong? | |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 2:33:40 PM | ^^^Lol  ..Yup listen to this Guy Go get a Woman by any means Necessary...lol..............
..I have been thinking about this Nice Guy Label...and that is what it actually is...a label
...Do Not label Yourself as Nice Guy....seems to be a sign for some that can read .."Kick Me Hard Here".................What We put out We attract,Plain and simple........
At the End of the Day just be Yourself............She will respect that Most...... | |
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Posted: 8/21/2005 8:13:19 AM |
There's a BIG diffence between a nice guy and a Wussy...which is exactly what your post tells me you were with her.
Challenge women, they have no respect for a pushover...no matter how often they tell you otherwise (that's just a setup for later when she wants something from you).
Let her know she's lucky to be with you...not the other way around. You can show her you like her, and respect her, just do it with actions, not words. In fact, best situation possible is to make yourself the prize in a competition between 2 (or more) women.. they hate it if another woman gets "her" man.
Most important...if you are interested in a woman and she rebuffs you, BREAK IT OFF IMMEDIATELY. No contact other than casual. If she can get "companionship" from you without a sexual relationship - she will. I doubt there are any "nice" guys on the board that haven't had a woman they were in love with use them as a "fallback guy" to complain to and get affirmation from, all the while going after other men. hell, most of the time they say things like "Why can't I ever find a guy like you?". Am I wrong?
This is true. very true. especially the fallback guy part.
but it's funny, it seems to be fine for a woman to express she wants a guy.
but for a guy to get the interest of a women, he has to act like he doesn't want her.
how am I supposed to get the interest of a girl I like, if showing any interest is the worst thing to do?
laughing so hard about the "why can't I ever find a guy like you?" bit, i have heard that sooo many times. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 6:07:25 PM | | In other words according to some male posters you have to play mind games to get a woman.Pretty typical.It seems to be the norm in todays society.This is why i got out of dating at 30.I do not miss it at all....I got my pride and mental health....Nice and normal doese not cut it in this generation.If you are nice.That means your weak.according to most of you.We live in a sad world. | |
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Posted: 8/24/2005 6:14:42 AM | Nice guy's finish last... In bed... Just way to easy to resist that one again sorry, ho ho , how puny of me, i need to be punished, sent to a punitentiary, perhaps, for punitive dangerous... okay enough of that.
As always wisdom flows from the Lizard mouth. Go back and read his story its obviously true and very funny because of it. See being a bad boy is poser work it, has nothing to do with Combat skills, its a big show. You know what that crap only works on dumb bimbo's anyhow! If you lose a girl that way, to a guy like that, good riddance I say. It may hurt at the moment but in the long run your better off without her. Its no doubt a complex part of social evolution. People find each other out in this world and we always have sympathy for the underdog, whether an abusive male or female is on top.
If you want to be free from this nice guy versus Azzhat dynamic, just stop believing that it exists... Honestly... the only reason people feel this way about the nice guy vs ass thing is because of our own personal experiences. I know its hard to get over being mistreated but that is what growth is all about guy's its tough work but its worth it to be nice to girls. Come on... their so pretty... and they smell nice... you know you want to be nice to the...
Okay what's more is who comes out on these sites and says I'm an A$$hole, I fnck like a God all women bow down to me in my manly glory... Nobody says that, sure acting all tough is cool, most guys do that, try it out if you don't usually, its fun! No one thinks of themselves as an A$$hole, every guy out there thinks that they are the nice guy, this big 280 lbs **** that wouldn't fight the lizard is a perfect example, any guy who says he is trying to be a James Dean style bike ridding bad ass, is just trying to be a bimbo magnet; why? Because bimbo's are fun to have sex with, plain and simple. The reverse is also just as true. How many girls complain about getting their dude stolen from them by some $luty tramp, same deal.
Then again maybe guy was a big bad azz and he just took one look at the lizard and he realistically saw the look of madness in his eyes.
This is my favourite truism "we do not get what we want, we do not connect with our hearts desire, we end up with what the energy we put out into the world is capable of connecting with."
I knew a social worker who conseled violent men for years, he said to me this one time "ya you wouldn't belive how many of them are actually really sweet nice guys who just have a few problems..." If you wanna blame some bad ass for stealing your girl, first look inward and examine why you couldn't keep her. Its always easier to blame others for our own inadequacies, that does not excuse putting out violent thoughts into the world, just because you hate every guy who ever stole a girl from you does not mean he was an azzhole to your now x his new girlfriend. Nor does it mean you were being a nice guy all the time when she left you...
The unexamined life is not worth living...
Remember picking up chicks and acting all tough and insensitive is not the same as being abusive, if you hit people, get help please... I know I know a different thread, sorry to be a thread jacker, I am a naughty naughty pofer.
Their is my 2 cents... again... for now...
Cheers,
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Posted: 8/24/2005 9:47:51 AM | hmm, I found that most guys didn't chat much at all. Mostly 2 or 3 words per email. I must have the reverse problem.
Sorry about that girl treatin' you like trash, but don't give us all a bad rap dude, not everyone is a freak.
Take care,
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Posted: 8/24/2005 9:50:51 AM | | yeah, where do you guys go anyway? I haven't a clue where to find nice normal guys to even strike up a conversation with. The grocery store is full of women! | |
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