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Posted: 8/2/2005 6:21:36 AM |
some suggestions 1 = nuke and level all the bad countries
2 = starvation and problems in africa and other 3rd world countries, cut off the supplies and let nature take its course
3 = usa and everyone pull out of iraq and middle east and see what happens
4- cut off the worlds oil supply, and only the strong will survive
5 = send all the immigrants out of the countries back to where they came from
1. I may say lets nuke this and that, but we all know how bad of an idea this really is. If we nuke, they nuke, which leads all of us to nuke. Which leads anyone who survives to not want to live anyway. Nuclear Winter is not an option.
2. This wont accomplish much in the way of population control. It would help but not to the point where the rest of the population could spread out and actually be able to breathe again.
3. The same thing that happens now, suicide bombers, and people complaining. doesnt do much for population control.
4. Oil supplies. F**k oil supplies. We survived for thousands of years without oil, eventually we will do it again. Its not an endless supply, and it will dry up sooner than later.
5. If their illegal, boot em back. If they here working and pulling their weight, and not their pud, allow them to do so.
So what do I suggest? Nothing. When Mother Nature wants her planet back, she will take it. It already looks like she's in the process of doing so now. The best way we can help is to lay off trying to cure everything. M.N. uses Diseases such as cancer, and AIDS to control how many of us stick around at once. We try to stop that, and she resorts to natural disasters. Mother Nature will take care of the population problem, whether we want her to or not. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 7:26:25 AM | Jesus H Christ. Enough with the G.D. terrorist crap. All you bush haters AND Bush lovers, go find a f**king thread that covers that shit....theres a thousand of them. Pick one for Christ sake.
This thread is here to discuss theories on what to do about world overpopulation. Not the Arabs. This is a hypothetical thread, its a nice change of pace from the usual poop flung across this board.
OFT(On F**king Topic) Space exploration. There are rumors that Jupiter could be an inhabitable planet along with one of its moons Europa. With the dawn of solar sails, we will be able to move through the universe faster than ever. What we will find will be amazing to say the least. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 7:29:44 AM | I agree that world population is too high, but I favor less brutal survival strategies.
Let's not become a murderous generation of humanity. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could deal with the problem through civilized means?
We CAN do this.
"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?" -Jesus, is not just a religious argument but a philosophical one as well.
What would we become if we just started killing people to make room for those who have the most? .... unless you think those with the least would kill those who have the most, highly unlikely but just as uncivilized...
WE should take this under careful consideration in devising survival strategies for the future AND try to identify ourselves more as humans rather than just "Americans" or "Alphas" or "Anglos" or any other "types"...
Otherwise, we may make this world into something it hasn't been for a long time, and that would be tragic... | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 7:42:12 AM |
You classify Sikhs as Muslims. Enough said
Yes I do. I know sikhs are not muslims; they do however both follow ISLAM or parts of Islam.
"Eastern Country peoples" what does that even mean
I am sure you know fully well what Middle Eastern peoples are but I shall list them; afganistan, algeria, armenia, azerbaijan, bahrain, djibouti, egypt, georgia, iran, iraq, israel, jordon, kazakhstan, kuwait, krygyzstan, lebanon, lybia, mauritania, morocco, oman, pakistan, palestinian territories, quata, saudi arabia, sudan, syria, tajikistan, tunisia, turkey, turkmenistan, uae, uzbekistan, yemen.
http://www.mideasti.org/countries/countries_main.html
Middle Easterns might make 1% of Canada's population
NO way... there are more than 1% of these countries peoples in Canada. I was using Toronto anyway in my stats. Come to Toronto and see how many middle easterners are here. Toronto is Canada's biggest city, and I'm tellin ya, I'm there all the time, and it IS being over-run by cultures who have too many kids.
I really don't feel it is necessary to fill up pages of posts with googled stats, but here's a brief;
The foreign-born proportion of Canada’s population is on the rise and reached a 70-year high at the time of the May 2001 census. In total, 5.4 million people (18.4% of the population) were born outside of Canada, compared to 17.4% in 1996. A third of these immigrants arrived in Canada in the 1991–2001 decade, totalling about 1.8 million immigrants, or 6.2% of Canada’s population. OK? This does not even include people BORN here, just the ones coming here from other countries.
One of the most striking differences between recent immigrants and people born in Canada is where they choose to live. More than 90% of immigrants who arrived during the 1990s were living in a metropolitan area, compared to less than 65% of the overall Canadian population. A striking 70% of immigrants resided in Montréal, Toronto and Vancouver. This percentage represented an increase from the 66% of immigrants who arrived in the 1980s as reported in the 1991 census and the 58% who arrived in the 1970s as reported in the 1981 census.
The number of recent immigrants who settle in these three cities is clearly on the rise, with very few making their homes in smaller cities and in rural and small-town Canada. Like I said, come to Toronto and see just how many of them there are.
I don't know about you but most people I know don't worry about constant terrorist threats were I live (Vancouver)
Maybe it is so in Vancouver. Here in Toronto the news & media has consistently had stories on possible terrorist attacks, & security has been beefed up. Even our amusement parks now have metal detectors for God's sakes.
Didn't you say you're half native on some other thread, if thats true I don't exactly see what is "your kind."
Ummm, NO, I did not say I was HALF native. I said I am part native. I have native Grandparents. My "kind" referrs to Native American & ENGLISH / French speaking Canadians, Canadians who follow the cultures of my forefathers, Christian, Catholic, & Nature cultures, not Islamic terrorist cultures.
How are you being pushed out of "your" country. Newsflash you don't own this country, you maybe a Canadian citizen but its not "your" country. At least not anymore than any other Canadian citizen.
Yes it is my country, as well as any other tax paying Canadian, or land owner who was BORN here. Have you forgotten our national anthem? (OUR HOME & NATIVE LAND????)
How am I being pushed out? How 'bout the fact when you go to a store in Toronto you cannot even be spoken to in ENGLISH?? How 'bout the fact that foreigners are taking all the jobs because they will work for shit pay and leaving canadian born citizens with very little jobs? How 'bout the fact that every hospital is swamped with foreigners who are not even paying taxes? How 'bout the fact that security is being beefed up in our metropolitan areas because of terrorist threats? How 'bout the fact that our lands are being torn down and housing / mosques being built like wildfire for the influx of immigrants? How bout the fact that as soon as they come here they sponge off the governement and get handed everything? How 'bout the fact that these people wont even stand up for the national anthem, have had our lords prayer taken out of schools.....the list goes on and on.
Look , I don't HATE these people. Hate is a strong word. The topic at hand is over-population, and the simple fact is that people from those countries in question are extremely over-populated, and they are coming over here more and more, and I just don't want to see Canada become like them! Canada has played Miss Congeniality for far too long. It's about time we said No, and don't let any more of them in here, before our own cultures and way of life becomes the minority..that just isn't fair. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 8:22:33 AM | | Seems like George Bush agrees that the world's over populated and he's going to do somehting about it.....starting with the Muslims. Women and children first....... | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 11:51:22 AM | 13rthportal - why do you continue to argue points that I have already proven outtright wrong. Once again you start your post the exact same way as before by saying:
Yes I do. I know sikhs are not muslims; they do however both follow ISLAM or parts of Islam.
That would be outright insulting to the many sikhs whom I personally know. Once again it only proves your ignorance, the only thing similiar between a sikh and a muslim is that muslims sometimes wear turbans. Other than that they are completely different religions, based on completely different principles. In fact Sikhs spent a good 200 years fighting muslim rulers in India. Muslims follow the Koran, Sikhs have a completely different book called the Adi Granth that is in no way related to the Koran.
The point is your statement is outright false and you're spreaded innacurate information that is not factually based upon anything historical. Once again I suggest you do some reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism and educate yourself.
Basically the rest of your post is full of crap you made up in your head, want immigrations stats go to http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pub/facts2003/permanent/14.html and you'll see that muslims countries do not nearly top the chart of incoming immigrants. Problem with you is you clearly don't know what a muslim is.
You seem like a paranoid person who doesn't base her posts on fact. The thoughts in your head are not an objective source of information. For example you don't understand the difference between a sikh and a muslim meaning that you probably don't know the difference between a sikh temple a mosque or a buddhist temple. In your head they are all the same because you're ignorant. Do you not see the problem with that?
How 'bout the fact that our lands are being torn down and housing / mosques being built like wildfire for the influx of immigrants? How bout the fact that as soon as they come here they sponge off the governement and get handed everything?
Uh yeah sure look at all those mosques being built like "wildfire". Once again I only see ignorance. I see all kinda of religious places being built, churches, mosques, temples etc. Not a huge influx of any one of these in particular, unlike you I can tell the difference between these multiple places of worship, you have proven you cannot.
Sponge off the governement?? You obviously don't understand how the point system works. As an immigrant you are required to invest X amount of dollars into the Canadian economy or make points through various skillsets that we need e.g. engineerS, doctor, programmer etc.
I find it very interesting that you come from a native background (partially) and would mention "sponge off the government." You want to save tax dollars how about equalizing the balace between first nations and regular canadians. First nations people of canada drain way more of my hard earned tax dollars than any immigrant. Billions of tax dollars spent on indian affairs (or whatever the ministry is called now a days), tax breaks for natives, reservations, etc.
How 'bout the fact that these people wont even stand up for the national anthem, have had our lords prayer taken out of schools.....the list goes on and on.
Kids go to school to learn not pray, what this has to do with anything is beyond me. Every immigrant I know would stand up for the anthem.
The question you need to ask yourself is what exactly do you contribute to society that is so great? I can pretty much guarantee that I can find examples of countless immigrants who love this country as much or more than you do, do not spread hate, earn far more revenue for the government than you, partake in more social service, donate to charity more, educate themselves and their families etc.
Its annoying when people think they are so high and mighty but in reality they don't look at themselves before judging others. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 12:15:08 PM | No doubt we are grossly over populated, but murdering billions of people, really doesn't seem like a good solution to this. Maybe put a legal limit on how many kids can be born to a family. I'm not sure of how it should be done, but murder isn't the key.
All we have to do is have the death rate greater than the birth rate.
To the OP how about you start helping by killing yourself. If you were to do that then I would say you are a person of conviction. For you to dictate who should and shouldn't die is just insane who the hell are you to say? | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 12:17:54 PM | I googled Canadian population, and eventually came up with a site that gave percentages, as of February 2001;
Roman Catholic 45.2%; Protestant (mainly United Church, and Anglican) 36.4%, Eastern Orthodox 1.9%; Jewish 1.2%; Muslim 0.9%; Buddhist 0.6%; Hindu 0.6%; nonreligious 12.5%; other 0.7%.
It seems we do not have that large a Muslim population. Even if we had a much larger one, I would still see no cause for concern. Most of the Muslims I have met seem to be fairly good people. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:52:21 PM | | No its not. You can fit everyone in the world in the state of Texas and give them a half an acre. Figure it out. The problem is Man and man's greed. We should not forgive foreign debt and all that crap. While Bono an the One foundation may be sincere. It is wrong. Africa was the richest continent as far as minerals and has been robbed by the leaders of countries. Do some research for yourself and quit depending on the media to supply you with truths. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:12:08 PM |
13rthportal - why do you continue to argue points that I have already proven outtright wrong.
Umm...because you haven't proven my point wrong. This is the definition of Sikhism;
"follower of sikhism, an indigenous montheistic religion of India which combines elements of Hinduism and Islam; it was founded in the 16th century by the guru Nanak.
www.northern.edu/hastingw/indiaglos.html"
That would be outright insulting to the many sikhs whom I personally know.
And why would that be? I wouldn't be offended if someone called me christian, or catholic...and my beliefs are more new age.
As I've posted above, the definition I read on many sites of Sihk is both aspects of hindu & islam...but if you say its not, then whatever...that's the way I understand it, so we have a difference of opinion.
Uh yeah sure look at all those mosques being built like "wildfire". Actually it's more the housing, but I did add mosques to the end of the sentence because I've noticed quite a few going up recently, but no big deal about the mosques.
In Canada as a whole, YEs, Muslim immigration is at the low end of the list, but in Toronto, which I have said repeatedly, they are all immigrating and staying there. You don't need statistics to see that.
Kids go to school to learn not pray, what this has to do with anything is beyond me. It has to do with the fact that you specifically asked me how I felt I was being pushed aside as a canadian, and the fact is that things have changed in our country since people started immigrating here bringing foreign cultures and demanding we do away with our own traditions that have been held for generations.
The question you need to ask yourself is what exactly do you contribute to society that is so great? I can pretty much guarantee that I can find examples of countless immigrants who love this country as much or more than you do, do not spread hate, earn far more revenue for the government than you, partake in more social service, donate to charity more, educate themselves and their families etc.
Its annoying when people think they are so high and mighty but in reality they don't look at themselves before judging others.
I contribute just fine thanx, nothing great, but I'm just an average Canadian who was born here. I'm not trying to spread hate, I'm simply replying to the origonal question of how to stop over-population, and all I'm trying to say is that I don't want to see Canada end up like the other populated countries. We have no over-population problem in Canada, but if we keep letting immigrants in then we will one day...maybe not all of Canada, but our metropolitan areas are already overpopulated (by immigrants). No matter what statistics you scrape up, you cannot convince me otherwize when I was born in Toronto, lived there, and seen how they are taking over. I've already mentioned this several times. There are good and bad in all races & religions, I'm just stating that if they want to overpopulate thier own countries then fine...go ahead...but they have no right to do it to ours also. Anyhow, that's my OPINION on the matter. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:45:22 PM | Let's all go to outer space!
At least we'll be spread out more and perhaps won't prove to be such hairy nuisances towards one another. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:56:20 PM | 13rthportal - why do you continue to argue points that I have already proven outtright wrong.
Umm...because you haven't proven my point wrong. This is the definition of Sikhism;
"follower of sikhism, an indigenous montheistic religion of India which combines elements of Hinduism and Islam; it was founded in the 16th century by the guru Nanak.
www.northern.edu/hastingw/indiaglos.html"
That would be outright insulting to the many sikhs whom I personally know.
And why would that be? I wouldn't be offended if someone called me christian, or catholic...and my beliefs are more new age.
As I've posted above, the definition I read on many sites of Sihk is both aspects of hindu & islam...but if you say its not, then whatever...that's the way I understand it, so we have a difference of opinion.
Look its very simple, you don't know any sikhs nor do you know the religion whereas I do. Catholics, protestants, methodists etc are all Christian so yeah theres no insult, Sunni and Shia are both Islamic again there is no insult. However Sikhism and Islam are completely different religions with the only thing "borrowed" from Islam being the concept of one god. That definition you dug up is very basic and frankly its wrong, its like saying Islam is the same thing as Judaism or Christianity because all three are montheastic.
The bottomline: you don't any sikhs, you don't know anything about the religion, you are a person who generalizes without regard to knowledge or facts of the situation whereas I'm part Indian and am familiar with all the major religions in the region, the history of the area, and half my family is sikhs. i.e. I have the credentials to offer a factual opinion where as you do not.
Allow me to reiterate Islam and Sikhism are completely different religions, that follow completely different scriptures. The only real similiarity being the belief in one god (belief in one god and reincarnation are primarily why your weak definition states "combines elements of hinduism and islam"), you persist with your baseless assumption that Sikhs are Muslims which is simply an ignorant thing to say. I posted a link to wikipedia why don't you read that instead of trite one line definition, i know the one liner is easier to comprehend but as I mentioned above it is incorrect.
Its really simple to understand: you were wrong about sikhs being muslims, this is not a difference of opinion, you are also wrong about the mosques "spreading like wildfire," and you were wrong (as someone pointed out above) about the number of muslims in canada e.g. approx .9%.
Why do you continue to argue, a smart person would admit she is wrong and sit down and maybe read some books or go out and somehow educate herself so as to clear up her misconceptions. Maybe your opinion would count for more if you could back up your
suppositions or take a step back and listen to reason. It just annoys me when people post stuff that is dead wrong and doesn't actually represent the world that is around them but rather only represents what is in their head. Anytime I see this sort of thinking I will slam it hard. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 5:13:54 PM | There is no over population problem. There never was.
But don't worry, movies like 'Million Dollar Baby' will have us convinced that state sponsored euthenasia is a good thing.
That should get rid of the dead beats who can't work. Gee how aaryon like. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 6:50:15 PM | Eddie Eddie....don't get so wound up, it's only a discussion. No I don't presently know any sikhs, but I did know a couple in the past...they were actually very nice people. I'm just going by what I have read on the religion, it really doesn't matter to me if they are related to hindu, muslim, or pagan for that matter. Since you have a background in Sikhism I trust you know what you're talking about and agree...Sikh has nothing to do with muslim. I'll take your explanation that info states islam is part of thier religion because of the belief in one God, that is fine and I have no problem admitting my error. I'm sorry, you're right, I'm wrong, A sikh is not a muslim..... 
As far as your continuance to batter me about the percentage of muslims in Canada, I'll say it , for the I don't know how many times, ...I was talking about the amount of Middle Eastern People's in TORONTO. There are more than .9 % I assure you of that. We are not going to agree on this point my friend, because I have lived there half my life, and I see with my own two eyes how many there are in Toronto now, and how many there were decades ago. I am not talking about just muslims here...I'm talking about all immigrants from ALL the countries of the middle east...and there are a lot. If you think that all of these people are even in the statistics you are sadly mistaken. Many of them are illegal immigrants, or do not report to statistics Canada.
Regardless of our difference of opinion on statistics of Toronto, the issue is over population. You think immigrants should be allowed to come over here non-stop, and I do not. This is a difference of opinion. I do enjoy different cultures, I just don't want them making Canada an over-populated country. Just today I met a family from South Africa who moved here two years ago and I taught thier kids how to fish...I really enjoyed meeting them & they spoke to me in English, so I am not saying I do not like all immigrants.
What can we honestly do about over-population GLOBALLY? I really don't know..seems like everything has been tried. I would suggest getting rid of certain governments so that the starving can actually get the food that we send to maybe better themselves and get well enough to be educated about birth control, but then that is just going to cause political upheaval.
Perhaps it is as others have stated; mother nature will take care of it. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 9:29:03 PM | Muslims have never been the problem ...Zionism is the true evil lurking ...the Zionist government of Israel is the beast loosed from its cage to kill and dominate the world ...the monster which Jesus warned mankind about ...the very socialists who murdered him.
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Posted: 8/2/2005 10:47:06 PM |
Eddie Eddie....don't get so wound up, it's only a discussion. No I don't presently know any sikhs, but I did know a couple in the past...they were actually very nice people. I'm just going by what I have read on the religion, it really doesn't matter to me if they are related to hindu, muslim, or pagan for that matter. Since you have a background in Sikhism I trust you know what you're talking about and agree...Sikh has nothing to do with muslim. I'll take your explanation that info states islam is part of thier religion because of the belief in one God, that is fine and I have no problem admitting my error. I'm sorry, you're right, I'm wrong, A sikh is not a muslim.....
I get hyper active sometimes, my apologies  it just kind of upset me because honestly the biggest oppressors of sikhs in the early days were the muslim rulers of India at the time. They killed and tortured sikhs and tried forcing conversion at the point of the sword or through various "creative" forms of torture such as sawing people in half, putting people on railroad tracks, burying people alive etc. Countless more lives were lost in those dark days than 911, Iraq, and all terrorist attacks in the last 50 years combined.
As far as I know there is not a single page of the Koran in the Sikh scriptures (I can find out for sure soon enough, I come from a Catholic/Sikh background but I don't practice any religion myself). Just trust me when I say that Sikhism is as different from Islam as Christianity is from Buddhism.
I agree with you though, the world would be a lot better place without some of the regimes that are currently in power. The leaders of Islamic nations have always been problematic, for the most part they are corrupt and totalitarian and as such these countries just don't understand how democracy works. They haven't known anything else for around 1500 years and its time to change. Its not really the average muslim's fault though, change can be painful but it will come.
I'm not sure about the multicultural face of toronto but maybe its a matter of integration. We bring in many immigrants but at the same time they aren't really well accepted or integrated into society. In response they tend to cluster together in groups as a sort of safety net. I don't think immigrants should be constantly accepted, I think we should take what we need to fill gaps e.g. certain skillsets, or to stimulate business, and we should only take the best of the best. We shouldn't be taking in people just to be nice though, it has to be for our advantage. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 10:57:57 PM |
Actually christianity and buddhism are very similiar.
Sort of but not really. Buddhism doesn't even mention a God, Buddha himself never said he believed in God, nor did he believe in heaven or hell, Buddhism believes in reincarnation, the eight fold path to enlightenment, meditation Christianity does not etc.
There is a theory that Jesus visited buddhist India/Tibet during his lost years and that he read some Buddhist scriptures. I think there are a lot of similarities between many of the major religions, but for the most part there are central tenants that are vastly different. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 11:04:52 PM |
but for the most part there are central tenants that are vastly different.
I doubt it.
Christ didn't believe in a heaven or a hell either. The kingdom of god is here now. He was trying to explain the same things buddha was. Different language, same meaning.
I read Joeseph Campbell's "The Hero With A Thousand Faces". I think he is right in that there are more similarities than differences.
To bad valuble blood has spilt so much for the same thing. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 6:49:56 AM | @ Eddie; That is just terrible about the Sihks! I took a course in world religions years ago but we only touched the surface of Sihkism..we didn't go too much into the history of it. I can see now why there would be hostilities about the muslims. I would be interested to know why the similarities in dress code between these religions, perhaps you could answer this for me on the topic Sihkism Dress Code on the relgion forum, since it is off topic here?
The problem with immigration in Toronto is that it is our biggest city in Canada. Foreigners flock there and they do not leave...a very high percentage of them do not disperse to other areas of the country, so they populate and start to outnumber Toronto's born citizens. They do stick in groups, but this is only natural I suppose. What is frustrating to me, is that they don't speak english, and many are operating convenience stores and gas stations. We should be able to do business in our own country in our own language. I know that they have to speak english in order to be granted citizenship here, so why they won't speak it I don't know. Then again...I get really ticked off when I go to Quebec and they (french people)refuse to speak english... ;)
On terrorist regimes; the 9-11 changed a lot of things unfortunately. It has affected our travel to the states, & certainly our opinions of muslims. People blame muslims for this. It is hard not to judge, but I find that a lot of north americans are doing so, myslef included, out of suspect & fear. We never know when we see a group of middle easterners whether they are suspicious or not so we group them all together. This is not right of course, but it has become our natural instinct in protecting our homelands. Many of these muslims were flocking to Canada because of the war, but I've read recently that thier immigration here is down, and they are being told NOT to come. That is rather scary in itself, given the letter to America by Bin Ladin.
4SexyFun; I went to the site and read it. I'd love for you to discuss it on the anti-christ of armageddon thread in the relgion forum. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 4:24:09 PM | Let's just face it, there will be procreation everywhere, everyday, every month, and every year. LIVE WITH IT!!! If we quit procreating the human species will be endangered and extinct....And no birth control is going to stop that...
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Posted: 8/3/2005 4:24:17 PM | Let's just face it, there will be procreation everywhere, everyday, every month, and every year. LIVE WITH IT!!! If we quit procreating the human species will be endangered and extinct....And no birth control is going to stop that...
Jody | |
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