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Posted: 8/6/2005 7:53:21 AM | WOW!! This is still going nutso! WooHoo!
Sorry ya'll I would have posted earlier but I was at a strip club!! Muahahahaha!
Nope sorry to let you down, but I stayed home.
Well I hate to burst the mental bubble of all you ladies that think all the guys you have went out with were perfect little non strip club hooters going won't watch porn angels. Show me a guy who hasn't done those things and I'll show you a lier. Even if some guys will say that they don't like to go or see that stuff or even if you actually think your man won't, I only have one question. So what would you think would happen when a guys friends come up and go, c'mon dude we're all going! Let's go! Do you think he'd say no?
So what do you ladies think happens at 99% of all bachelor parties? I'll let you in on a secret. It's much much worse than a strip club.
You all do realize that a guy doesn't have to goto a strip club to see some other chicks tits, right? I guess you all don't really know what goes on at alot of golf clubs. Hmm, oh well.
What I see happening here is some are for them, some are against them, and some just try to vilify them. Since strip clubs are evil to some of you, do you have the same attitude towards any great looking woman that dresses attractive? If not, do you think that we guys are blind to them? Do you think that we don't think about her boobs? Do you think that a guy won't say to himself, damn I wish I could see them puppies?
So strip clubs and Hooters is of limits. Ok, how about that hottie that waits tables at Chili's? Or the hot little number at your mans favorite happy hour bar? You think he's not looking, not flirting?
Wake up people. A strip club is the safest environment for your man. He can look but not have. Can you say that about any other place that he would go? How about the office slut? Is it ok that he hears things from her that would make you all cringe?
I'd hate to think that you all don't know that the number one web sites on the web are in fact porn sites. Do you think that you can shield your man from ever seeing another chicks boobs? | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 8:57:48 AM | This thread is alot of laughs that i had to atleast comment.
I have not been to a strip club since i was 19. Yes underage but I looked older. Even at that age was not much amused. A bar filled with 100 horny men to 6 working women sounds queer to me. Thought that then and think it now. Best bet is go to a runway fashion show. 20 women parading their splendor and beauty on the runway and a crowd of women in the audience salivating over how that dress or swimwear might look on them. Very few men there so your pond to meet someone is much bigger. besides they may be alot classier and moralistic and taking in the sights is more stimulating than some redneck dancing around that may have been laid by several guys that month. Sounds pretty gross. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 9:03:46 AM |
Wake up people. A strip club is the safest environment for your man. He can look but not have. Can you say that about any other place that he would go? How about the office slut? Is it ok that he hears things from her that would make you all cringe?
That is actually an excellant point. I have worked with some women who have shown me ( and all the other guys) more than many strippers.
There was this Italian Princess that worked in the same office with me, when I first started working. She had the jewelry, big hair, expensive clothes - and was very attractive. ( Dumb as a rock though  )
She also would wear no bra ( she was small breasted) , and undo about four buttons.
Not surprisingly, she used to have a line up of guys waiting everytime she made the coffee. She thought it was because we liked the coffee.
It wasn't THAT good. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 9:17:32 AM | squirrly- is that a bad thing?
I won't lie, boobs are great!! Or rather anything attached or part of a woman, boobs just kinda pop out at'cha. Women are so hot!!
The only reason I ever even went to a strip club was just to know for sure that I had the hottest gf in the world. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 9:19:21 AM |
The only reason I ever even went to a strip club was just to know for sure that I had the hottest gf in the world.
That was....Clintonesque in it's brilliance. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 9:21:48 AM | | ah you miss my point. The girls are the ones giddy with power. We knows how to mess with your minds fellas! | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 9:56:55 AM | I think a few of you fail to realize that the very reason a lot of people want to come to the US is because of our freedoms. This includes our ability to have to the right to persue happiness. Since when does our happiness impose a threat on others happiness? When of course, you are against what has made us happy in the first place. Who are you to bash us for enjoying different things in life? In early Greek civilization, it was considered an honor to work for a strip club. During a time when women were judged almost solely on their looks, working as a kauspato ( stripper ) was considered admirable. It was a great privilege because only the most beautiful were selected. In ancient Arabic civilization (and in some existing Arab states) belly dancing was reserved for those with grace, elegance, sophistication, and most importantly, dignity. Often, kings would select the finest, most refined belly dancer as his wife (or at least one of them). Contrast that to today's world, where the mere mention of association with a stripper or club dancer immediately returns raised eyebrows and hateful comments.
The evolution of adult entertainment has cast a black shadow over the same human body that was once seen as beautiful. In a world where accountants and lawyers prostitute their minds every day for money, acting the same with one's body is seen as shameful and a disgrace. Women and men sell themselves everyday. Whether it be in at an advertising job, a waitress at Bob Evans or a customer service associate at the mall. You know damn good and well that the better looking, sexier women will get more business everytime. Does this highly realistic part of everyday reflect reality? ABSOLUTELY! The sex industry is all-pervasive.... it wields its influence in every segment of every job and indeed, every facet of human existence. It is one of the most primordial instincts of humans. I don't think there is anything wrong with being a stripper.I do not think there is anything wrong with watching them strip either. Our puritanical (or should I say sanctimonious) society has taken the human body and perverted it into a museum exhibit that need only be viewed or examined on special occasions.
To society and close minded people.....I say ki$$ my A$$......clean your own doorstep and then worry about others! | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 10:43:58 AM | Well said Bambi. As far as girls doing anything for money.... they make a lot of money from some pathetic men.... more power to them. They make more money in one night than I make in a week...more power to them. They keep their bodies in tip top shape....more power to them. They are sexy, confident and business minded...more power to them. I would say that a stripper is above a woman who recruits sugar daddies on the moral ladder because she makes her money, she works for it. And I agree with Bambi, lawyers, CEOs, corporate giants are all prostitutes for money. As far as the adult entertainment industry goes, I would like to see more women taking the reigns so that perhaps we could get some female perspective porn and better paid actresses. The industry would make more money if they geared some of their advertising services toward women and what women want because I hate to break it to ya but the women I know are far more sexually motivated than some men I know. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 11:07:07 AM | I've never been to a female stripclub, but I have seen the nearly naked male ones. I would hope that any guy I'm with wouldn't feel the need to go get a lap dance. I'm alright with having fun at a buddy's stag, but I think if my bf were to actually go regularly and pay for lapdances, and booby shakes to the face, then we probably need to evaluate the bigger issue of why one woman doesn't satisfy him.
As for the opinion that most male strippers are straight, from my experience, that's not really right. Not all guys who take dance lessons all their lives are gay, and I think dancers are HOT. I also have tons of gay friends whom I love. BUT HONESTLY, male strippers are really just using their choriography from dance classes, in their jazz dancing shoes, while taking some of their clothes off. I've met MANY strippers/ former strippers through my non-stripper gay male friends. This is just the impression that I get, and I wanted to share it, I'm not trying to start an argument with anyone. :) | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 12:29:22 PM | | If I let it be known up front that I would not put up with any man of mine taking a trip to a "titty bar," and he did, he'd be the one who was wrecking the relationship, not me. There's no kind of law, to my knowledge, that says a man HAS to go to titty bars. There are no laws, literal or theoretical, that says a man has to have more than one woman in his life. There are no laws, to my knowledge, that says a man's penis will fall off if he is not stimulated by looking at pornographic material. It's all about choices. And if I make a commitment to a man, then I don't purposely go out of my way to view other men in a sexual manner. I expect the same courtesy from any man in my life. It's not about not "allowing" him to do anything; it's about he's gonna make a choice -- me, a real, live accessible woman who loves him for everything he is and not just for the money he can stuff down my nasty-ass g-string; me, who will care for him when he's sick; me, who will stand behind him through good times and bad; me, who will be his partner in all aspects of his life; me, who will (if it applied) help raise his children; and me who will be his lover -- and a damn good one at that -- or going to a "titty bar" to get his jollies. If any man thinks the latter is a better choice than the former -- well, all I gotta say is, "Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya." It's not a matter of "right" and "wrong" when there are differing opinions; I'm just saying, for me, it just "ain't gonna happen." | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 12:36:21 PM | Where is this club that lets u touch the strippers? Cuz I have been all across this great nation and less your in a whorehouse they don't let u touch them. And if your man gets his jollies off in a strip club then u r doing something wrong my friend. Boys will be boys..U should try a man. Next time he goes to a peeler joint go with him and u will see it not all that what it is cracked up to be. Its more a male ritual more then anything.
Cheers Ken | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 8:00:29 PM | humm... he is an intresting thought... ok now why is it ok to stare, oggle, and let another women dance on you naked just becasue your in this place..
yet, turn your head to check out a womens bum or take a peek at a womans cleavage when your with your woman and it's tounge lashings and slap tan time... say in the mall, or a restraunt? | |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 10:57:03 PM | If you are with the right woman at a certain moment , you should not be looking around at others . She should be your entire focus.
If you are alone, it's different. I happen to like attractive woman, and I am not blind. It reminds me of why I could never be gay. 
Actually, one woman and I used to play this little game when we were walking on the street. It's only for established couples, and ones with no issues of mistrust.
We would sometimes walk down the street, particularly in summertime - holding hands. The game was you would squeeze the other person's hand when you saw someone that you thought was sexually attractive to your tastes. The harder the squeeze, the more interesting they were.
We had some GREAT times doing that, and it allowed some funny discussions ( in code) after they walked by.
Really ?
Yeah.
REALLY ?
Uh-huh ?
WHY ?
( Explanation...)
It was enlightening to see how we saw people, and what made them attractive.
Some were people I would have NEVER expected , and she said the same about me. Many were just obvious to both of us. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2005 5:14:16 AM | This has been one heck of a thread! I for one, am grateful for the intelligent thought-out answers for and against...it has given me much to think about.
I had one ex who sometimes worked out of province, and him and his buddies would go to a club in Montreal area...but I was pregnant at the time--raging hormones lol-and hated the idea. It could of been he was out having a good time while I was home...not sure.
If I never move away from PEI, I won't have to worry too much about this issue...were lucky we don't have any facilities like this....then again...it's pretty conservative around here. But, I THINK personally, I wouldn't like if my B/F went to a bar like that, I'm not sure how I would really feel until it happened...again. Hopefully, I won't find out! | |
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Posted: 8/7/2005 10:33:07 AM | montreal-
ha ha, i have played a similar game in the past with some guys. once it got kinda freaky, cuz this particular man seemed obsessed with knowing, as he put it, `who would make the team'.
otherwise fun, but yep only for the very secure.
evanism-
basically agree with most of your points. and you're right, in my experience anyway, the wildest sh*t i ever saw was at bachelor or other `private' parties.
again, i have two reasons for just passing on dating men who currently patronize strip clubs. first is my philosophical concerns regarding the interaction between the `market' and the individual, which btw also extend to my trafficking in non-human forms of life, this gets too messy for here. but simply put, hooters doesn't exist to sell beer and wings, i agree.
it sells the opportunity to hang in a enviornment where it is ok to ogle, well....hooters. the wait staff are marketed as walking tits. it is OK to objectify women at hooters or in a strip club. it would be unreasonable for me to enter such a place and not expect that. it makes me somewhat uncomfortable, so i simply excersize my freedom not to go. the food sucks and having my own hooters i don't need to buy overpriced greasy food to look at any, assuming i'd wanna. LOL.
second is the pragmatic issue that i have wrt the rate of arousal needing to be somewhat `equalized' before i want to f a guy.
it is usually frustrating for me personally for him to be way ahead of me before i even see him.
so, you are getting no argument from me about the availability and interest in porn, etc.
but your points seem to generally involve (if i am getting it) an idea that women object cuz they are `insecure' in some way about their guys seeing other women in a sexual manner.
curious if you see the two concerns i id'ed as being related to insecurity, or if i am otherwise missing a key piece?
thanks and peace
R | |
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Posted: 8/7/2005 10:51:14 AM | would it be wrong to see a women for sexual manners only?
as in a sorta sexual relation with a girl
but its not a hooker or in a brothel
just sex only and nothing else,
and that that women is wanting it also | |
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Posted: 8/7/2005 8:25:02 PM | For the love of god! *shakes head* I think it's great that there are so many viewpoints; I suppose that one aspect of what keeps the world an interesting place. Each individual sees things from a different perspective; each has their own reality, surprise surprise. But what really blows is the soapbox ladies who feel the need to ram their opinions down others throats and verbally abuse those who DARE post anything to the contrary. Lighten up, live and let live, each is ENTITLED to their OWN opinion, differing opinions don't indicate right or wrong. I mean who is to judge that a woman who opts to take her clothes off for money is any worse than say a criminal defense attorney fully dressed in Armani who enables both the innocent and guilty to walk free? As far as frequenting any adult vs mainstream establishments or opting to watch an X-rated move vs say a comedy, all is a matter of PERSONAL choice, what is right for some may not be for others, but that gives no one the right to judge and condemn. Some minds are more open than others. Try to get your point across without being so nasty and disrespectful, it's been my PERSONAL experience that people who like to bring others down are usually the ones who need the most help!
My prior post was very clear that there was no personal attack or disrespect intended to any one individual, but rather I was stating my OPINION, yet sadly still some saw the need to personally attack. I know this post will certainly bring on the fireworks, so to any soapbox retort this particular post will incite, you have my response in advance.
"Here is some lumber, build yourself a big bridge and get over yourself!"  | |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 7:59:56 AM | koss-
what ever happens between fully informed consenting adults is cool w/me.
but i think its funny that it seems to me that while there may be a relatively large demand on the part of one side, the supply from the other may be lacking.
of course there are always exceptions, but your post made me snicker about the guys who've tried to convince me that a f-buddy was something i should want because THEY want it.
if i am going to engage in sexual conduct that does not involve MY needs, desires and preferences, i figure i damn sure outta be getting paid!
LOL
peace
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Posted: 8/10/2005 5:06:40 PM | | I wouldn't date a guy seriously who felt the need to go to strip clubs a lot. It's just not my thing. A lot of people on here have said that that makes the woman look insecure if she doesn't want her boyfriend to go to those places. I see it as disrespectful to me though and I think for me to be accepting and condone behavior that I felt was unacceptable would indicate that I felt insecure about myself to tolerate it and say nothing. Some couples are both okay with it and I think that is fine. It is just my personal opinion that I wouldn't want my boyfriend to be getting lap dances from other girls. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2005 5:13:11 PM | | Getting lap dances is a pretty far cry from just going in to a strip club. In my line of work, it's pretty hard to completely avoid ever going along to a strip club. Like I said before, three years ago, I had gone once in my life, on my nineteenth birthday....as of today, well I couldn't count. It's not a habit for me, it's not a need either, it's also not a big deal and I'm thinking I would rather be with a woman who was cool with it, not because I want to go but because of what I've seen from the women who are against it here in this thread. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2005 5:31:32 PM |
In my line of work, it's pretty hard to completely avoid ever going along to a strip club.
*mind racing in all directions* | |
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