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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/7/2005 7:02:59 PM | And he is makeing a killing doing it.
not so grasshopper he has supported and paid for the detox of heroin addicts, did you know that? Whether he has paid for detoxes has nothing to do with whether he's making a killing. And I really don't even think it's disputed that he's "raking it in," so to speak. For example,
Emery free on bail, could be extradited to U.S.
CTV.ca News Staff
"I pay $350,000 in personal income taxes on those very seed sales. That money was gratefully received by the government of Canada who very well knew where it was from and did not care," he told CTV News. that's an awful lot of personal income tax for someone not "making a killing" selling seeds, ya know?
I am completely uninformed about canadian income tax; here, gains from illegal activity are taxable, and that in no way implicates that the gov't "doesn't care" about the illegal activity. | |
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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/7/2005 10:10:58 PM | Given Canada's current stance on marijuana compared to when the extradition treaty was signed three decades ago, when I am sure Canada had harsher pot laws, it seems to me that this issue could spark some changes to the treaty to reflect the current times.
Laws are laws but they can be changed, amended, etc. It takes something like this to effect the change. | |
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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/7/2005 11:29:40 PM | re:Msg: 27
nor does "raking it in," indicate he is using it for his sole purpose
Emery says he doesn't own any assets and that he's donated millions of dollars to pot-advocacy groups as well as political parties, including the federal NDP, whose leader, Jack Layton, met with Emery at his Vancouver home last year.
The Beyond Prohibition conference held in Vancouver last year was also funded by a $15,000 grant he provided, Emery says.
The leader of the B.C. Marijuana Party promises to release details of his finances in the coming days, adding that he will rely on charity to fight against extradition.
the story will, as they say in the newspapper industry, "get legs"
As i have stated "The law regarding marijuna is unjust and put into placr to appease the industrialists."
Lobbying is not new and many a law has been bought and paid for thos with much to gain.
I venture to say the very laws creating prohibition have far more to do with the spread of the vey substance they claim to revile than is done to prevent their use.
wet paint! don't touch! to some elicits an OH yeah response and to that degree is ineffective. | |
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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/8/2005 3:36:13 AM |
Given Canada's current stance on marijuana compared to when the extradition treaty was signed three decades ago, when I am sure Canada had harsher pot laws, it seems to me that this issue could spark some changes to the treaty to reflect the current times.
Perhaps you are right. I was thinking more along the lines of Canada changing their drug laws, but now I think it IS more likely that there might at least be negotiation around the treaty... although it has served both countries, and Canada very well might not be willing to alter that based on people who choose to violate laws. It'll be interesting.
The leader of the B.C. Marijuana Party promises to release details of his finances in the coming days, adding that he will rely on charity to fight against extradition.
Somehow I think it will take more than this to learn his true circumstances. (I wonder if he'll include any "clean" money in his accounting? | |
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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/12/2005 6:43:41 PM | But the man has to pay the piper. He is not above Canada's extradition treaties.
some points to consider
Canada's extradition treaties state that the charges must be illegal in both countries. It is not ALWAYS illegal here. If he sells to medical marijuana users, then it's NOT illegal (as Health Canada recommends med-marijuana users order seeds on the Internet).
If he is guilty of a "conspiracy to manufacture marijuna" for selling seeds in Canada which are SOUGHT OUT by Americans, then the Canadian government is also guilty because they KNOWINGLY accepted the taxes he earned. It clearly states on his tax form he earned the money and was paying taxes on monies earned from selling marijuana seeds. Taking his tax money makes the Canadian government co-conspirators.
They cannot extradite him if the punishment is 'cruel and unfair'. (10 yrs no parole MIN for what is considered a MINOR crime here).
He did NOT offer the seeds for sale in the USA. He offered them for sale ON THE INTERNET which has no jurisdiction.
There is NO WAY that the Canadian government should allow this extradition. The laws NEED to be changed, hopefully this will help that to happen. | |
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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/13/2005 3:09:02 AM |
Canada's extradition treaties state that the charges must be illegal in both countries. It is not ALWAYS illegal here. If he sells to medical marijuana users, then it's NOT illegal (as Health Canada recommends med-marijuana users order seeds on the Internet).
So I'm sure he'll be able to prove that he sold only to medical marijuana losers. (Think that's likely?)
If he is guilty of a "conspiracy to manufacture marijuna" for selling seeds in Canada which are SOUGHT OUT by Americans, then the Canadian government is also guilty because they KNOWINGLY accepted the taxes he earned. It clearly states on his tax form he earned the money and was paying taxes on monies earned from selling marijuana seeds. Taking his tax money makes the Canadian government co-conspirators. I am completely unfamiliar with the Canadian tax code. I do know that here in the US, illegal income is taxable. Even if the Canadian tax code doesn't explicitly say this (although I expect it does,) taxing all forms of income in no way makes the government a co-conspirator. One has nothing at all to do with the other. (Just to clarify, even if the Canadian gov't WAS considered a co-conspirator for taxing the income, I hope you're not suggesting that that in some way makes Emery less guilty...)
They cannot extradite him if the punishment is 'cruel and unfair'. (10 yrs no parole MIN for what is considered a MINOR crime here). I know I've seen this before, but can't find where. Can you refresh my memory? (It isn't in the Extradition Treaty between the US and Canada)
He did NOT offer the seeds for sale in the USA. He offered them for sale ON THE INTERNET which has no jurisdiction. I don't think this is going to help him very much. Here's an example: taking this theory, you could threaten people "on the internet" without consequence because it "has no jurisdiction." Jurisdictional issues related to the internet are more COMPLICATED then traditional jurisdiction, but saying that the internet does not fall into any jurisdiction is incorrect.
There is NO WAY that the Canadian government should allow this extradition. The laws NEED to be changed, hopefully this will help that to happen. It will certainly be interesting. | |
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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/13/2005 5:19:21 AM | [It will certainly be interesting.]
yes in deed it will
here is an opperunity to view an Academy Award winning documentary on how for the the usa will go to meeet it's objectives of aprehension or what ever name is assigned to actions taken.
View the film
If the Dea wants MarcEmery, and they do! is it imagiinable the lengths to which they will go?
http://www.russia.com/forums/printthread.php3?threadid=12037
Posted by Andrej_ on 30th December 2002 19:19
"It won the Academy Award for best documentary and was directed by Barbara Trent. This film shows how the U.S. attacked Panama and killed 3 or 4 thousand people in an invasion that the rest of the world was against. The excuse given was to get the drug lord, General Noriega, who had been on the CIA's payroll for 20 years. We see not only the devastation we did to poor cities in Panama, but also how our media was complicit in the way all of this was presented to the American public. Some of the people featured in this video are, professors Michael Parenti and Peter Dale Scott, Jeff Cohen (executive director of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting or FAIR), Mark Hertsguaard (journalist and author), Rear Admiral Eugene Carroll (Ret. U.S.N.), U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel of New Yourk, Sabina Virgo (national labor organizer) and various Panamanian human rights activists. (Actress) Elizabeth Montgomery narrates this excellent video. To order video, email: project2@mindspring.com or call 1-800-832-4369."
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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/13/2005 6:58:20 AM | "Here, there is no war, they are just asking to utilize the extradition treaty agreed upon by Canada. If that works, what's the problem?
US Hegemony!
Hegemony is the dominance of one group over other groups, with or without the threat of force, to the extent that, for instance, the dominant party can dictate the terms of trade to its advantage; more broadly, cultural perspectives become skewed to favor the dominant group.
and Yes nittyanylion I know you know what hegemoy is, you know?
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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/13/2005 8:54:10 AM | | It's bullsh*t that the DEA should try to extend their arm of the law to another country. This has been going on for years with the US gov't. trying to stop people like Mark Emery from doing what he does. Medicinal marijuana should be legalized. Our government cannot control sale and distribution of it now, but they try. Emery is an activist who is trying to help those who keep running into (gov't) brick walls. It's funny how US government thinks pot serves no medicinal use, yet they supply THC in pill form to a handful of people around the country. It will also be in spray form soon, if it's not available all ready. Yet, the US gov't does everything in its power to make it seem as bad as heroin. I did research for a class paper on use of marijuana leading to stronger and harder drugs. When seeing how the study was done, it only shows 2% of pot users actually doing harsher drugs. For researchers to get gov't money for studies on marijuana, to be approved, they have to be showing studies on the ill effects of pot. Studies do not get gov't funding if they are trying to find positive things about pot. Personally, if medicinal marijuana were legal, it would put the drug industry out of business. Well, maybe not that extreme, but it would take a big bite out of prescription drug use. Also, when has anyone ever heard of marijuana itself actually killing someone? Look at all the drugs on the market today, so many bad side effects, even death! But there they are still being prescribed! Hooray for our wonderfully blind, one-sided government! | |
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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/13/2005 8:59:44 AM | Soooo.... lemme get this straight. Emery's US customers were ALL "medicinal" users? A few people have said that medicinal use is legal in Canada... well hell! He can't be extradited for something not illegal in his own country... so why the outrage? Why the stress? There's no issue here, and everything'll be dropped, right?
Oh, what? There's more to the story? Gee. | |
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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/13/2005 12:59:09 PM |
For researchers to get gov't money for studies on marijuana, to be approved, they have to be showing studies on the ill effects of pot. Studies do not get gov't funding if they are trying to find positive things about pot.
Whoa! Hold the phone, this is true? Thats bull$hit? The government knows pot has beneficial effects, the senate has run several exausative studies, and have recomended that it should be legal! And they brush off the voice of reason by denying funding to both sides of the arguement?
But more on topic, I was reading eye today and came across a statement that more accurately reflects the DEA and American governments motivation for the bust:
"Today's arrest of Mark (sic) Scott Emery, publisher of 'Cannabis Culture' magazine and founder of a marajuana legalization group, is a significant blow not only to the marajuana trafficking trade in the US and Canada, but also to the legalization movement... Hundreds of thousands of dollars of Emery's illicit profits are known to have been channeled to marajuana legalization groups active in the United States and Canada. Drug legalization lobbbyists now have one less pot of money to rely on."
- Karen Tandy, US Drug Czar
Now this to me is a huge slap in the face, and a realization has crystalized for me in reading it. Pot users, medical and recreational, are second class citizens. Its that simple, we are North America's lepers. And while we are here and we have a voice, we are agressively silenced. It doesn't matter that we have made a free choice to use a substance that is relatively harmless in our day to day lives, because we are "criminals" for doing it... No one really remembers how, or why, but we are bad, thats for sure.... I just wish there was more reason than that... | |
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| DEA attempts to extradite Canadian Prince Of Pot for selling seeds.
Posted: 8/13/2005 8:28:01 PM | Julz, I guess I would recommend that you advocate for your laws to be changed; if your aren't doing that already, you should think about it. Because if you aren't, you're merely breaking the law and complaining that your gov't takes issue with it. Well, I would HOPE your gov't would take issue with it. If it's bad law, then get it off the books. Because as it stands now,
It doesn't matter that we have made a free choice to use a substance that is relatively harmless in our day to day lives is very true, and I can't believe that you would actually disagree. | |
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