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Posted: 8/17/2007 11:13:35 PM | | gun control is being able to hit your target ! , but i am a good size strong man, returning to brute forse rules is not that unattractive to me ! , stistics that i have saw show that in areas where citizens are allowed to carry concelled weapons , crime cosistently falls , i appoligise for not having any sourse for that at this time , and it seems that organised crime is not thriving so lets create another black market for them to capitalize on , they could use the extra cash i'm sure , and as honest and trustworthy as our goverments around the world are, i see no problem with only the goverments being armed , , i remember studying that gun control was one of the nazis first order of bisiness and its a historical fact on how many lives that saved ! , the more rights we can take away from the people the freeer we will be, its just common sence ! , being over reactionary to the highly publicised instances of gun misuse is a good thing , , i throw my hat in the ring for the job of door to door confiscation and the director of the new federal gun revenewer , we never hear about any instances of guns preventing crime or deaths so they cant be happening and guns were of no importance in the establishing of this free nation , the usa could have just as easy defeted king george by boycotts and diplomacy , i say we should give the feds as much control over our lives as possible , they have our best interents at heart ! , | |
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Posted: 8/18/2007 7:00:39 AM | tighter controls wont help.
Course i come from the country. Everybody has guns. My dad has guns. My uncle has guns. All my friends had guns. Heres the difference. We where all taught how to use them. My dad taught me how to shoot when I was 10. Bought me a bb gun. Shoot I remember the first time my dad let me shoot and after i did I pointed the empty gun at him, no intention to shoot . Well needless to say that didnt happen agian. | |
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Posted: 8/18/2007 9:43:45 AM | ^^^Good point. Knowing how to use guns safely is a very important part of responsible gun ownership.
If someone is considering buying a gun, it is important to learn how to use it safely, and to take proper care of it. There are resources out there for people to learn how to handle the gun properly. | |
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Posted: 8/18/2007 10:32:44 AM |
Europe after the war was disarmed with the promise if no one owned guns, there could never be another war.
Guess what happened next. They were taken over by the communists.
Yeah, that's why all right. It had nothing to do with the fact that the Red Army was in complete control of Eastern Europe after driving the Nazis out.
Lordy, the stretches of logic and completely ignoring of simple truth some will go to in order to make some dogmatic point. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2007 7:29:24 PM | | OH, stop playing stupid! You can't compare guns to cars. People buy cars for transportation. People buy guns to kill. Any questions? | |
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Posted: 8/20/2007 8:23:09 PM |
People buy cars for transportation. People buy guns to kill. Any questions?
I buy guns for the purpose of putting nice holes in paper. Making steel targets clang. I collect antique firearms for their history.
I also have guns to help protect the young lady who was brutally beaten by a drugged up 350 pound animal in the apartment below mine.
The new guns I bought have never killed anyone and I hope I will never need to take someones life to defend mine or others. The antique guns were used to fight off the Soviet Army by the small nation of Finland.
The target shooting is a legitimate practice and the weapons of war had a ligitimate use also.
I love all these broad based accusations put forth by the gun haters. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2007 3:15:31 PM |
OH, stop playing stupid! You can't compare guns to cars. People buy cars for transportation. People buy guns to kill. Any questions?
Some of us buy guns to target shoot and/or shoot in competitions; we also learn how to safely shoot, use, have, and store guns. Others shoot to put food on their table, as meat is stil pretty expensive for some - and considering all of our ancestors did this to provide for their families, the gun-haters should be grateful they did, as otherwise they might not even be here now. Responsible gun owners hope they *never* have to use their weapon to defend themselves; they also don't go around waving guns in the air like idiots, or run home to get their gun when someone mouths off to them. Most gun crime is committed by someone who owns a gun *illegally*.
Just as there are bad and good in all aspects of life, there are people who shouldn't own guns because they're not a responsible gun owner. Same thing with someone who drinks then gets behind the wheel of a gun; they shouldn't be allowed to drive. People don't by knives or baseball bats to kill, either, yet these have both been used to kill numerous times. It's *not* the gun, or the car, that kills; it's the irresponsible person who made the choice to kill. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2007 3:39:27 PM | ^^^this guy is a great example of a good, responsible gun owner<img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0> Prolibertate, I like your attitude about guns. <img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0>
Someday when I take shooting lessons at the range, I want an instructor like Prolibertate who thoroughly understands the safety aspects of owning and using guns. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2007 5:39:17 PM | A 100 pound woman 999 times out of a 1000 probably would not be able to defend herself against a 200 pound man, especially if he has a weapon (knife, stick, club, bat etc.....)of some kind.
Nuff said. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2007 7:29:30 AM | ^^ and if the 200 lb. guy has a gun also, how does that 'help' her?
everyone has to be ready at all times to outshoot out-firepower the next person..?
lovely.. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2007 1:49:32 PM | One of the problems with that is that the founding fathers had quite limited firepower in mind when they were writing these laws. If you had flintlock pistols and rifles around today, it would be a far different story
Using this logic we could dismantle all the rights we have now based on "times have changed since then",,, Who knew the press would grow beyond papers off on a press.?
Should we now do away with freedom of the press... bcz it It is inconvient and technology has changed? The founding fathers didn't forsee the internet..but few would agree we should not have free speech here too. The founding fathers didn't forseen Plenty.. that's a very slippery slope! And one we are already on as the Unconstitutional gun laws prove.
If I do not have the right to protect my life,,,How is it that I have a "right to life" at all?
And so it goes... that as they take away one right,,,others follow.
People may Believe they have a "right" to life and liberty....but actually that "right" has been taken.. The police are not and cannot be everywhere..so then "if you are Lucky ...you will have life and liberty"...and if not "oh well".
That's the full extent of the "Right" you have left when they can't protect yourself.
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Posted: 8/22/2007 5:38:57 PM | Designingwoman...thanks for the kind words ;) ~ the very female Prolibertate ;)
^^ and if the 200 lb. guy has a gun also, how does that 'help' her?
Considering that many women are naturally good shooters - as explained by many of my instructors - I'd say the 200 lb guy would have to be quicker than me ;)
People may Believe they have a "right" to life and liberty....but actually that "right" has been taken.. The police are not and cannot be everywhere..so then "if you are Lucky ...you will have life and liberty"...and if not "oh well".
That's the full extent of the "Right" you have left when they can't protect yourself.
Even the police will tell one that they're reactive, not proactive; cops not only can't be everywhere, they don't have to respond to a call if another, more urgent one comes in - so where does that leave the first caller...especially if they can't defend themself? No one has the right to harm another - but we all have the right to defend ourselves. It's unfortunate that the few bad, irresponsible gun owners give the many, many responsible, safety-conscious gun owners a bad name. And I see it as a form of prejudice and discrimination, because if someone tagged another about something due to their race, gender or religion, there would be outrage and an outcry; but if someone is a responsible gun owner, some people lump them in with the bad gun owners and think that's okay to do...simply because they, themself, don't like guns. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2007 5:48:24 PM | Again, I have to bring forward my experiences as a Canadian , living in this country's second largest city.
We have many responsible gun owners ( I know a few) , and we have a pretty good (but not perfect) system of gun control . That doesn't stop all violent crime (we've had two school massacres here, done with legal weapons , including handguns ) , but nothing will EVER eliminate that - it will only reduce it.
All those "bogeymen" that are supposed to be ripping my country in two ( because of gun control) aren't showing up here. I go outside , and am almost perfectly safe from meeting anyone with a firearm that wants to harm me.
My government isn't a tyrannical one, and they fear my ballot more than any bullet I could buy.
As people, Americans and Canadians are not that different.
As I said, I think the underlying factors of the quality of society and attitudes towards firearms make the difference, not gun control. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2007 5:08:07 AM | The right to bear arms....to me it means the following:
IF BY CHANCE THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO DO ANYTHING TO US THEY ARE GONNA HAVE ONE HELL OF A TIME TRYING> MOST OF US ARE PRETTY GOOD SHOTS> THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS MEANS NO WAY NO HOW ARE WE GONNA GO DOWN EASY>>>THATS WHAT THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS MEANS>
LONG LIVE THE US...LONG LIVE CANADA!!!!!
caught some nice lake trout up there not to mention pike and walleye
Thanks Canada | |
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Posted: 8/23/2007 7:36:35 AM | And I see it as a form of prejudice and discrimination, because if someone tagged another about something due to their race, gender or religion, there would be outrage and an outcry; but if someone is a responsible gun owner, some people lump them in with the bad gun owners and think that's okay to do...simply because they, themself, don't like guns.
really? it seems OK for many [North] Americans to tag "all Iraqis" or maybe "all Muslims" , or "all Palestinians"/Middle Eastern people , etc., as "bloodthirsty crazy people" when in fact very few are..
Considering that many women are naturally good shooters - as explained by many of my instructors sure< iguess, if they practice a lot..just like a man
If you believe women are 'born' with some innate superior-shooting skills, I think you're in fantasy-land (IMO).
If so I wonder why a higher percentage of special snipers (marine scout snipers, SWAT, TRU, FBI HRT, etc., etc.) are not women, then? | |
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Posted: 8/23/2007 11:14:33 AM | The point made about prejudice is a valid one. We cannot assume that all gun owners are irresponsible. Most legal gun owners are responsible citizens who live productive lives. Many enjoy target shooting and hunting, or collect guns. I am going to visit the Armory museum sometime soon because it's right on my college's campus. Long live Springfield Mass.!!
DW from Smith & Wesson country<img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0> | |
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Posted: 8/23/2007 11:28:07 AM | IF BY CHANCE THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO DO ANYTHING TO US THEY ARE GONNA HAVE ONE HELL OF A TIME TRYING
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Gee,...so how's that workin' for yo so far?
seems to me that sounds like they,..(the government) are the enemy you fear the most,...
to me anyway,....
We Canadian's,..if we don't like our leader's,...toss 'em and get new ones
who do what we say,...(they are after all working for us,...the people)
we however do not barricade ourselfves away wth gunns waiting for the sky to fall,....
and we don't wait until those leader's are ready to go either,...
they get the heave ho,on our time table ....and we get new ones,....
no reason for barricades,...fear,..or guns,....not for them ayway
so you keep on,....& BEAR your ARMS,...
caught some nice lake trout up there not to mention pike and walleye
Thanks Canada,...
your welcome,....and I bet you never needed your gun for that either | |
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Posted: 8/23/2007 11:58:54 AM | Wasn't allowed to bring any. I did anyway. It was a survival .22 cal. Nice weapon!
accurate and it floated
I do plan to keep and bear arms. In Canada I saw native Indians living in reservations or some kind of houses, hey was that canada, yep, it was. That's funny...u lady live in your own little world. Do u think something happened in Canada where it was necessary to regulate the guns.? Maybe in history or something. I don't know. Usually something happened to cause that. It usually did. It appears the fear came from your covernment to begin with.
Afraid, Na, not at all. My afraid days been over for awhile. Ever since my discharge from the Marines.
Barricades, none. ..only keep barricades up from the liberals that think they live in
LA LA land...sky falling. I don't worry about that. No sense in that. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2007 12:34:39 PM | Wasn't allowed to bring any. I did anyway. It was a survival .22 cal. Nice weapon!
accurate and it floated
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so did you use it as bait?,....and BTW had you been caught at the border,...that sweet thing would ave bee taken,....and you would have been barred for life,....
wanna come up again sometime?
as I understand it natives have rservations in both our countries,..so your point is?
and it had what to do with the qustion at hand?,...both your and ours (reservations)have guns too,...
In Canada there are plenty of Natives that live on and off reservations,....and there are so many reaso's why hat one would have to debate that in another thread,...
so the ol' bait and swich of your arguament is apparent,....to I am sure everyone,...
as for your barricades,....FYI to me,....
how many locks do you have? and security devices,..and so on and so on,....
wanna compare to me?,....I don't even remember where my house key is,....
and I still don't need a gun,....to feel safe,....which BTW,...I do
no guns,...no riffes,...no big sharp knives,....not even a big stick near by,.... | |
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Posted: 8/23/2007 3:54:39 PM | Do u think something happened in Canada where it was necessary to regulate the guns.? Maybe in history or something. I don't know. Usually something happened to cause that. It usually did. It appears the fear came from your covernment to begin with.
Well, something DIDN'T happen actually. By not inserting firearms into the political realm, it allowed us to see them differently. They didn't gain the "myth" status they did in the USA.
We also negotiated our country into existence, instead of killing for that right. We've also had very few violent struggles in our history.
All those things worked to lead our two societies down different paths, along with other factors.
Afraid, Na, not at all. My afraid days been over for awhile. Ever since my discharge from the Marines.
Semper Fi, bro.  | |
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Posted: 8/24/2007 3:20:23 AM | Yep, Indians..both countries have them living in reservations. So u got my point. Actually, you can sneak anything across the borders. In or out. It all depends on the personal, traffic, weather etc. I have no security devices, my doors are not locked. I do have a pit bull and she takes care of things. She is good for ground hogs as well as any potential unwanted visitors...I do plan on coming again. As a matter of fact I have been there after my .22 cal. across the border thing. I went to Nova Scotia and fished off the cliffs. No Cod fishing all gone for the time being. Caught macrel and sea trout. No weapons that time. But, could of made a rifle out of a car antenna.... | |
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Posted: 8/24/2007 9:45:31 AM | guns are necessity,because there are punks and idiots trying to rip-off innocent people,and people in the USA have the right to bear arms and shoot someone who is threatening their life .....it is better to have a gun and not need it rather than need a gun and not have one.....there will always be losers ,thugs punks,idiots trying to endanger your life ,and the law nowadays seems to let criminals off more and more ......well the more there are less criminals the better ,so by killing them off legally by use of concealed weapons permits and such ,will keep the jail population down,save use money and stop useless people breathing precious air.....america has 8 guns perhead of population and i cannot agree more with the right to bear arms          | |
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Posted: 8/24/2007 10:08:46 AM | yeah... take all the guns away from the law-abiding, so that only criminals have them.
That's not working too well in England. | |
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Posted: 8/24/2007 10:16:58 AM | "One of the problems with that is that the founding fathers had quite limited firepower in mind when they were writing these laws. If you had flintlock pistols and rifles around today, it would be a far different story"
If they had "quite limited firepower" in mind, why did they not SAY SO? | |
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