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| gun control in the usa Posted: 8/24/2007 10:32:40 AM |
That's not working too well in England.
May want to reflect on that, in terms of actual statistics.
Property crime has fallen considerably since 1995. Overall household acquisitive crime, as measured by the BCS, has fallen by more than half (55%) between 1995 and 2005/06.
Just under half (49%) of all violent incidents reported to the BCS did not result in any injury to the victim. A similar proportion (47%) of all police recorded violence against the person in 2005/06 involved no injury.
Police recorded robbery increased by 8% between 2004/05 and 2005/06. This is still 19% below the 2001/02 peak in robbery.
There were 765 homicides in 2005/06, a decrease of 12% from the previous year. The homicide figure of 765 includes 52 homicide victims of the 7 July London bombings. The number of police recorded firearm offences increased by less than 1%.
http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/statistics/statistics50.htm
Take out the London bombing, and it's even better.
The annual crime statistics released by the Home Office reveal an apparent 5% rise in violent crime, 10% rise in vandalism and a 3% increase in robbery in 2006/07. But the increases are matched by continuing falls in burglary, car crime and sex offences.
Home Office criminologists portrayed Britain as becoming a "less violent nation" with half a million fewer violent crime victims than in 1995 - a fall of 45%. They insisted yesterday that the 5% rise in violent crime recorded by the BCS was "not statistically significant".
Their claims are supported by a fall in the murder rate to its lowest level for eight years with 755 homicides, and a 13% fall in gun crime according to the police. Death by dangerous driving however is becoming an increasing problem with a record 462 killed this way last year.
The risk of becoming a victim of crime is 24% - one in four - compared with 40% in 1995. The most likely target of a violent attack is a young man under 21 living in one of the most deprived social areas, followed by students and the unemployed. Those who live in "up and coming" or "improving" areas also have a higher than average risk of being a crime victim if they live next to a high crime hotspot.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2130768,00.html
Funnily enough, no uncontrolled access to guns , and the murder rate still drops.
The fall in gun crime, down from 11,371 incidents to 9,728 in the year to last September, was welcomed by the Home Office minister Tony McNulty. But he acknowledged the small increase in residential robberies involving firearms: "We have some of the toughest firearms legislation in Europe. Anyone convicted of having a prohibited firearm faces a minimum five-year sentence."
The number of people killed in gun attacks was unchanged at 57 - down from a peak of more than 70 two years ago.
The rise in armed residential robberies from 345 in 2003-04 to 645 last year is an alarming trend but it may partly be accounted for by a similar decline of 200 incidents recorded by the police as firearm burglaries. The long-term decline in the number of armed robberies on banks, post offices and building societies revealed in the figures spells the death of the elite "blag".
The number of armed bank robberies has fallen from 240 in 1995 to only 59 and those involving post offices are also down, from nearly 400 to 108 over the same period. The decline is not explained by branch closures but rather by much improved security measures which have made such premises a "hard target".
The total number of armed robberies rose by 10% to 4,120 from 3,674 over the last 12 months but it is still below the peak of nearly 5,500 such attacks five years ago.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1999201,00.html
The people most at risk ?
Those in "deprived" areas, or centers of gang type activity.
Work on reducing those dangers, and the numbers will get even better. Crime is a social problem , caused by poverty, lack of hope, and lack of education and work. That is the soil from which it grows.
Guns are just "pruning" the weeds, not making sure they no longer have fertile soil.
Britain has one of the world's lowest gun homicide rates - 0.04 slayings per 100,000 people, according to the Geneva-based Small Arms Survey for 2004. That puts Britain on par with Japan, where the rate is 0.03 per 100,000.
By contrast, the United States has a rate roughly 100 times higher: 3.42 gun murders per 100,000 people, the survey said.
The U.S. ranked 13th highest out of 112 countries, according to a 2006 study by Wendy Cukier, a professor at Ryerson University in Canada who writes on violence prevention strategies. It appears in a book she co-wrote, "The Global Gun Epidemic: From Saturday Night Specials to AK-47s."
http://ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070427/NEWS/204270357
As I've said in the past, and keep saying, this type of gun control is culturally and politically unacceptable in the USA.
Peter Squires, a criminologist at Britain's University of Brighton, said there are significant cultural differences between his country and the U.S. that would make it hard to disarm American citizens.
"We are very much a paternalistic, collective society," he said. American society is "more individual" and has a deeply ingrained sense of "a right and duty to self-defense," he said.
Jan Dizard, a professor of sociology at Amherst College in Amherst, Mass., and editor of "Guns in America," a collection of essays on America's gun culture, agrees. "Gun laws are not going to make us like Japan," he said.
http://ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070427/NEWS/204270357
The myth of the gun culture, not found pretty much anywhere else, ensures this can never be a viable political option in the USA.
That said, that doesn't mean it has benefits, as most Western democracies have in fact profited from such restrictions with societies far safer than many parts of the USA - without easy uncontrolled access to firearms. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 8/24/2007 10:49:06 AM | | I like the option of having a gun or not....keeps the punks out of the house when I'm sleeping. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 8/24/2007 11:39:31 AM | I think everyone should have mini-guns mounted in their front windows
4,000-10,000 rounds per minute keeps the scum away! | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 8/24/2007 3:57:34 PM | I am an older person and have owned a gun most of my life. No one is going to take it away from me legal or not. It is legal. I have the permit.If I gave up the gun I would have no protection againt the criminal scum that has envaded our country and the criminals already here. Our country is full of evil people who don't care about other peoples rights and they don't care to rob,rape or kill anyone who stands in their way. Yeah! I'm keeping my gun and I know how to use it if I have to. Hopefully that day won't come. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 8/24/2007 4:11:01 PM | | I have never owned a gun and as far as I'm concerned, no guns, no problems. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 8/24/2007 4:28:13 PM | | Wow OP, youve settled an aged debate in a couple of paragraphs. Im sure those of us who have a conservative leaning on this issue would be in big trouble if we didnt have people like yourself "enlightening" us and showing us the way. We should bow to you. lol | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 8/24/2007 4:51:06 PM | | Most of you that have a negative view of guns have never fired a pistol and are uneducated about using a weapon, educate yourselves before you make judgements about people that own firearms and are responsible gun owners , FEAR ( false evidence appearing real) | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 8/24/2007 4:57:16 PM |
Most of you that have a negative view of guns have never fired a pistol and are uneducated about using a weapon, educate yourselves before you make judgements about people that own firearms and are responsible gun owners , FEAR ( false evidence appearing real)
I'm actually quite a military buff, and have an interest in firearms. As I stated, at one point I actually contemplated buying a rifle (and storing it at a gun range) just for the enjoyment of target shooting. When I found out I'd have to store it at home, I dropped the idea. That's the last place I'd want to have it.
I grew up shooting pellet guns, and greatly enjoyed that.
A friend of mine in Oregon has a standing invite (he's ex Army, with one heck of a gun collection) to take me to a local shooting range and teach me to shoot some pretty amazing weapons.
If I was ever in Oregon, I'd jump at the chance.
You can enjoy firearms, and still argue for gun control. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 8/24/2007 5:52:17 PM | I agree with MG, that one can enjoy firearms yet advocate for moderate gun regulations such as registration and background checks prior to purchase.
I for one would love to go to a shooting range and try target shooting. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 11:22:35 AM | | So, in your twisted mind everyone should just "fend for themselves"? OH GREAT! That means if someone shoots your friend or family member then its ok for you to shoot them? OK, so you feel justified now eh? What about the person you shoot? You don't think they have friends and family who will be upset with you and want revenge? They will shoot you, and then someone else shoots them, and then someone shoots that person, then someone shoots that person, and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on an | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 11:25:36 AM | Right on, Rachelle! I've never owned a gun either, and I agree with you! No Guns, No problems. Reminds me of that one famous bumper sticker. No Guns, No Problems! Know Guns, Know Problems! | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 12:21:03 PM | I personally will buy a firearm when I buy a house. Anybody who comes to the house in the middle of the night- its shoot to kill as it should be . The above mentioned post is an example of why gun advocates refuse to budge on the issue. Its one thing to advocate gun control, quite another to advocate banning firearms in private residences. The 2nd Amendment can be no clearer on the subject. Id certainly agree that it states the right to bear arms and not an arsenal. But adequate protection must be garunteed. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 4:52:03 PM | If any of you who are interested in guns are ever in Springfield, Massachusetts, check out the Springfield Armory Museum, which is on the campus of Springfield Technical Community College, the best junior college in New England (Yes, I admit a bit of bias there, I am a student at STCC! )!! Guns were manufactured there up to and including the World War II era. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 6:23:45 PM | So less guns would equal less crime, right? Nazzo fast.
Harvard Journal Study of Worldwide Data Obliterates Notion that Gun Ownership Correlates with Violence
Linky: http://tinyurl.com/2z8l5x
It's rather Pollyannaish to assume that guns are inherently evil and cause nothing but harm.
Anti-gunners may also want to check out the documented FACTS listed here: http://gunfacts.info/index.html
I collect and own over 50 guns. I have never pointed one at another human being. I hope that never changes.
But if someone breaks into my house and threatens bodily harm to me or mine, I will not rely on ANYONE else for my safety. It is my God given RIGHT to be able to protect myself and loved ones. Time and time again the courts have upheld the fact the police have NO ultimate duty to protect anyone. They just have to do their best with the resources they are given. Which in many cases, is too little and too late.
History has time and again showed that an unarmed populace is ripe for genocide. Witness Nazi Germany, Stalin and Mao. 100's of millions dead.
Guess what? It'll never happen in America.
Molon Labe | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 6:32:03 PM | | And if there is anyone in the Central NJ area (male or female) who is interested in learning to shoot, please feel free to contact me. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 6:42:50 PM | | Merc - why do you think the 2nd amendment was put into your constitution? | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 6:50:50 PM | | I will give up my gun when they have taken them away from the crazies out there first. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 6:53:04 PM | | I will give up my gun when they have taken them away from the crazies out there first. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 7:40:36 PM |
History has time and again showed that an unarmed populace is ripe for genocide. Witness Nazi Germany, Stalin and Mao. 100's of millions dead.
Guess what? It'll never happen in America.
It's not happening in Canada, or any other Western democracy that has gun control either.
I haven't seen even ONE Nazi here.....honest.  | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 8:11:46 PM | Koss78a you are a idiot..plane as day...to say guns are the problems is a typical socalist liberal idea...I have owned many guns over the years and have never killed anyone..Guns don't kill people, people kill people you simpleton....I could manufacture weapons grade explosive from house hold chemicals and kill far more than with a gun...All you have to do is look at the ACTUALL facts and you will see that the crime goes up in areas that prohibit guns...Duhhh You moron! Lawful citizens will put up their guns but not criminals! Geee..go back under that rock from which you have crawled and hide...It is a proven fact which is indisputable..Australia recently tightened up their gun laws and crime has increased..Because criminals know they are safe from the Law Abiding....The American constitution gives up the right to bear arms..So read the constitution! and go home to your mommy commy!!! | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 8:14:36 PM | Designingwoman you would love shooting skeet or target. I do. I have actually surprised some folks with my abilities in that area.
Guns are truely a non issue here. Everyone knows someone who hunts or has in the past, so they still own a gun. I personally have owned guns for skeet. I can't imagine ever being "surprised" to learn a friend owns a gun.
Concealed weapon laws cover the issue in public.
If a wacko is going to take out his History teacher - he can do that with a knife or cross bow, and that would make the news too. | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/1/2007 9:10:25 PM | this is for koss78a i live in the u.s. i am a hunter for this is the right america has, besides the fact if you ever have done it?> or got out of your cave,to actually see the world we live in, can be good,and then the side we all seem too ignore sometimes, the bad, this is reality,and owning a gun is only the small part of it, like i said, i hunt,and respect the weapon i carry, if you really think about what you say,///////????????, then if you do not, it will always prove you really are a moron, i have the right too protect myself,and other people that cannot,
a simple question for you?> if you can,please answer honestly, when and if you ever witness a violent crime,and your female friend is being attached,and brutalized, question,?> the answer, careful, this might be painfull for you, after all we americans are not well educated,lol. now think hard on this,
A) are you going to call a police man,or police woman,and hope he or she is out of the dognut shop,?> B)are you going to stand there and hope he doesn't have a gun,to scare you with,? and stop when you say please to him.......> C) are you going too step up,and do what any man would doo?> and that is to remove the gun from him,
then again i don't approve violence,but in this case, if he never hurts another lady,or young girl, would it be so bad?>>>
think about it,:::::::::::::you don't have to answer yet, take a nap,don't wish to create another headache,.......
oh then,,,, that might be tough, since we are not allowed too have guns,,,,,,,,,,,,,, not going to happen, if someone thinks you can protect yourself, then the answer would be,------------------ the criminal might not bother you,
make a point short to you, guns don't kill people, people doooooooooooo:""""""
think about what you run your mouth on: might get some interesting comments,
thanks, chvmn ps. to your last statement, people think they are safe, "they are not cause they don't know how to use a gun"
have you ever used one,or even know what one is,?> or just seen pictures?>
i hunt, and believe it or not,i have only shot when i know it is safe, this is called reponsibility, not gun control,............ | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/6/2007 10:04:48 PM | | God doesn't give gun rights. Too many people with itchy fingers, thats the ****in problem! | |
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| gun control in the usa Posted: 9/7/2007 4:10:35 AM | Here's what I don't get. The NRA tells us that gun ownership is enshrined in the 2nd amendment to ensure the USA doesn't fall into tyranny because gun owners will protect their fellow citizens. Yet Americans like Jose Padilla were getting scooped up and worked over, habeas corpus was suspended, and 2 years after Katrina a major American city is still devastaded. To date, no one from the NRA has advocated armed resistance or has even removed the safety from their gun.
What would happen to the social fabric of the US if tougher gun control legislation were enacted? NOTHING, because gun owners are subservient pu$$ies who are already outgunned by the police and Army. The only difference would be less kids dying in the crossfire.
Hunters, skeet shooters... I understand that you are well behaved citizens who do not deserve to be penalized. You should keep your Winchester that you use to take down deer. But you don't need an AK 47. You don't need to keep one in your home with a round in the chamber. Are the cops in the US that incompetent? Or are they all in Iraq for the surge? | |
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