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Well you are. I think most of those people who were murdered by rapists might of had a chance if they had a hand gun.

Safety is mainly personal responsibility, that's why when the government moves away from the second amendment and unarms the people, they are vulnerable. You can't depend on the government for everything including being there 24/7 and the framers of the constitution understood that with the right to bear arms also helped stave off domestic tyranny from the government itself.

If a group of robbers breaks into your house, believe me, you'll want a gun then.

Criminals will always find ways to get guns, but if you can arm most law abiding citizens, then believe me, you'll have less crime.

Those people who shot up their schools would have much less chance at succeeding if they are staring back into a classroom full of guns aimed back at them.

Criminals will always find ways to get guns, but if you can arm most law abiding citizens, then believe me, you'll have less crime.

So, in this "gun control" country, in four weeks I have essentially the same thing as any American has - a lethal weapon. I'm expected to take courses to use it (not a bad idea there) , and to store and transport it properly .

What is the procedure for buying, if that is the proper term to use, a rifle, shotgun, and/or handgun, in Canada?

Non-restricted firearms are ordinary rifles and shotguns, other than those referred to below.

Restricted firearms include:

* handguns that are not prohibited;
* semi-automatic, centre-fire rifles and shotguns with a barrel shorter than 470 mm (about 18.5 inches);
* rifles and shotguns that can be fired when their overall length has been reduced by folding, telescoping or other means to less than 660 mm (about 26 inches); and
* firearms restricted by Criminal Code Regulations.

Prohibited firearms include:

* handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm (about 4.14 inches) or less and handguns that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, except for a few specific ones used in International Shooting Union competitions;
* rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing or other means so that their barrel length is less than 457 mm (about 18 inches) or their overall length is less than 660 mm (about 26 inches);
* full automatics;
* converted automatics, namely full automatics that have been altered so that they fire only one projectile when the trigger is squeezed; and
* firearms prohibited by Criminal Code Regulations.

Well you are. I think most of those people who were murdered by rapists might of had a chance if they had a hand gun.

actually I think more would get shot with their own gun,...if they had them near them when attacked but what if your gun was safely locked away when attacked,...now how safe are you?

Safety is mainly personal responsibility, that's why when the government moves away from the second amendment and unarms the people, they are vulnerable. You can't depend on the government for everything including being there 24/7 and the framers of the constitution understood that with the right to bear arms also helped stave off domestic tyranny from the government itself.

the framer's never heard of automatic weapons either,...this is such a stupid argument the framers were living in a different world,...or to be fair give everybody a long gun you have to stuff with powder and a ball,...sheeesh!

actually groups of bank robbers rarely if ever break into houses,...and I have been broken into 3 times never needed more than a dog and good shoes,...to chaise them out,....having had the dogs didn't hurt though,.... but no one had a gun,...not them and not me,...

What is the procedure for buying, if that is the proper term to use, a rifle, shotgun, and/or handgun, in Canada?

What is the process?

What paperwork is entatiled?

How long, in realistic, not altruistic, terms does this process take?

Non-Restricted Long Guns: Possession & Acquisition

If you have no interest in restricted firearms (e.g. many handguns, some military looking semi-automatic rifles) but you still wish to be able to acquire typical sporting long guns, you will need this Possession & Acquisition Licence (PAL).

You will be required to pass the Canadian Firearms Safety Course exam. The fee is $60 for a 5 year licence. At present the processing time for this licence appears to be a couple of months.

Restricted Firearms: Possession & Acquisition

This licence will allow you to purchase non-restricted and restricted firearms, plus any classes of prohibited firearms that you are eligible to acquire.

You must pass both the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Exam and the Canadian Firearms Safety Exam. If you completed the old Canadian Firearms Safety Exam (the full one which included long guns and handguns) between 1993-1999, you will not have to write the current exams. The fee for this licence is $80 for five years. These licences are available to Americans (or any foreigner) but they must meet the same conditions as Canadian citizens.

http://www.firearmstraining.ca/licences.htm

It is only mandatory to take the Canadian Firearms Safety Course if you:

* You are a minor (under 18 and not a subsistence hunter)
* You are coming off a legal prohibition order
* You want to become a CFSC Instructor

Both exams have a written, multiple choice test and a practical session in which you have to demonstrate safe handling of several firearms in different scenarios. There are 50 questions on the written portion: two thirds are true/false with the rest being multiple choice. You have to get 80% to pass.

In the practical part, you will be asked to handle three different A student demonstrates the standing position during a Canadian Firearms Safety Course practical test kinds of firearms, under different conditions. Every time you handle a firearm, you must perform ACTS & PROVE, with marks deducted for missing any of the necessary steps. You lose two points every time you point a gun outside of the designated safe direction, or put your finger unnecessarily inside the trigger, or attempt to load the wrong ammunition. You also need to get 80% on this portion to pass.

If you point a firearm at any person (including yourself), you fail the exam. The only exception to this rule is when doing a visual bore inspection on an open, safe firearm.

On the tests most people typically take about 20 minutes for each of the CFSC exam sections: there is no time limit so you can take as long as you like. You will need two pieces of identification, one of which must be a photo ID, in order to complete the required paperwork. The examiner will give you two copies of each of the CFSC report forms. Attach one copy to your Firearms Licence application form and keep the other for your records. Keep your copy in a safe place - forever!

If you take the course, your instructor is not permitted to administer your examinations.

http://www.firearmstraining.ca/exam.htm

Once the course is done, the tests are all sent to the Chief Firearms Officer in your province to certify, after which they will send you back a copy of the test results by mail. At that point, you would fill out the application for the P.A.L., get your spouse (if you have one) to sign, get two references to sign, include a copy of your test results, include a photo that is to the government's guidelines, have a photo guarantor sign to confirm that that's you, and include your fee ($60.00 for non-restricted, $80.00 for restricted) to pay for your licence (which is good for five years).

Any time you subsequently buy a firearm (whether it be a gunpowder based firearm or a high power air rifle), you will need to show your P.A.L. They will then ring up the sale and if it is a good store, they will actually register the firearm with the federal government's gun registry for you while you wait (yeah, the gun registry sucks, but that's another discuss for another time). The gun registry is used by police, amongst other things, to alert them to a potential household that may have firearms if they are responding to a call (ie. domestic abuse, etc.). Of course, from what I understand, there have been search and seizure of homes that house firearms without notice (though those who fear this happening to them have not really read the cases where this has happened - the cops always have reasonable cause to ring your doorbell and ask to look at your firearms - they don't just do this out of the blue).

http://proudlyconservative.blogspot.com/2008/02/
getting-firearms-licence-pal-in-canada.html

PROCESS FOR OBTAINING A LEGAL HANDGUN FOR TARGET SHOOTING

Following is a brief description of the steps involved.

* Obtain an application form for a 'Possession/Acquisition License' - available at the post office.
* Successfully complete the Canadian Firearms Safety Course and the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course (or challenge the exams). See www.FirearmsTraining.ca for an explanation.
* Forward the License application with proof of Safety Course completion, photo and appropriate fees to the Canadian Firearms Centre in Miramichi, New Brunswick.
* Police background checks will be completed as well as reference and spousal checks (the authorities seem to have given up on reference checks as they are too time-consuming {and probably the most valuable part of the screening process!!}).
If anything shows up on these checks, even if you were a victim of a criminal act (theft, assault, etc.), the application will be forwarded to the Chief Firearms Office (CFO) of your province for further investigation.

* If approved, a firearms license will be produced and mailed to the applicant (currently 1 to 2 months)
* Join an approved handgun club, such as the Eastern Ontario Handgun Club.
* Complete a mandatory Club level handgun safety course and serve a probation period.
* Fill out an application for an 'Authorization to Transport (ATT)* - club executive will forward to the CFO along with their recommendation for processing.
* Further police checks may be done along with a second computer record check.
* If approved, an ATT will be mailed to the applicant, or in Ontario, to the club.
* At this point, you may purchase a handgun from a gun shop or an individual. The registration must be called in to Miramichi (1-800-731-4000) for approval.
* The information is forwarded to the CFO for final approval and issuance of an ATT (short term) for transport from the vendor to the purchaser's home.
* Handguns cannot be moved from the dwelling until an ATT is received allowing for the transport to an approved firing range (in Ontario this ATT usually covers all approved ranges in the province).
* The permit is valid for one to three years and must be renewed at the recommendation of the Club executive.
* To transport the firearm to any location other than an approved range i.e. gunsmith, border point for competition in the US, etc., requires the owner to obtain another ATT from the Chief Firearms Office.

* A few words on the infamous ATT here: There are two basic 'types' of ATT: Short term and long term. Short term ATTs are issued by the CFO when (generally, there can be exceptions) a requirement exists to move a restricted firearm from one place to another on a temporary basis (like taking it to the gunsmith or bringing it home after purchasing it.) Long term ATTs are required to move restricted firearms to and from approved shooting ranges. While it is not strictly necessary to have a valid long term ATT to own restricted firearms, it is required if you wish to bring them to the range. A person wishing to apply for a long term ATT must belong to a registered club and the club must endorse that person's application. EOHC generally has new members complete an ATT application as a part of the new members safety course, whether or not they currently own restricted firearms. The exception to this, naturally, is if the prospective member does not carry the 'restricted firearms' endoresment on their PAL.

http://www.eohc.ca/legal_handgun.asp

Storing Firearms in Canada

Storing Unloaded Firearms

To safely store an unloaded firearm, the firearm must be rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device (such as a Trigger Lock or a Locked cable through the action), or rendered inoperable by removing the bolt or bolt carrier. Unloaded firearms must be stored away and out of easy access to its ammunition. Unloaded firearms do not need to be stored in a locked container or recepticle, vault or safe. Unloaded firearms do not need to be locked in a room.

Storing Loaded Firearms

In my opinion, the only safe way to store a firearm is to remove all ammuniton, disable the action with a lock or cable, and store the ammunition out of easy access to the firearm. There are situations, however, that warrant the storage of loaded firearms. You may only store a loaded firearm if it is stored in a securely locked recepticle, container, or room that can not be easily broken open or into. If it is stored in a location that is previously described, it can be stored with the ammunition loaded in the firearm, or with the firearm. If it is stored as previously mentioned, the firearm does not need to be rendered inoperable.
Storing Firearms and Ammunition Together

A firearm can be stored with its ammunition provided that they are locked inside a locked recepticle, a locked container, or a locked room that has been modified for the use of firearm storage. The location in which the firearm and ammunition is stored must not be easily broken open or into. Loaded or unloaded firearms may be stored together with their ammunition, provided that the previous criteria are met. It is not recommended to store firearms with their ammunition, whether the firearm loaded or unloaded.

http://www.firearmscanada.ca/firearm-information/storing-firearms.php

At Luby's Cafeteria, in Killeen, Texas, where 23 people (I think) were killed. A lady that was there, had a gun, she had left in her car, in compliance with Texas law, at the time. Had she had her gun with her, she could have stopped the killing, during one of the five times the gunman was reloading, before he murdered her parents.

Besides, possession of firearms by persons under the age of 18 is a crime in the US.

As I understand it, no one who has been convicted of, or is presently charged with, a Felony, can legally buy a gun of any kind. I believe, although I am not sure, that anyone convicted of any crime of violence is prohibited from legally buying a gun.

16. a) During the past five (5) years, have you been charged, convicted or granted a discharge for an offence:
(i) under the Criminal Code or the Youth Criminal Justice Act where violence was used, threatened or attempted;
(ii) involving the misuse, possession or storage of a firearm; or
(iii) involving trafficking or importing drugs or controlled substances?

b) During the past five (5) years, have you been subject to a peace bond, protection order or an order under section 810 of the
Criminal Code?

Do Canadians have the right to firearms ownership? The English Bill of Rights provided the right to English citizens. The preamble to the British North America Act extended that right to Canadians. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guaranteed the continuation of these rights.

http://www.brucemontague.ca/html/0007.html

Canada has long had stricter gun control laws than the United States.

In 1892, the first permit system for small arms was introduced in Canada.

In 1913, the sale of handguns was restricted to permit holders.

In 1968, certain classes of automatic weapons were prohibited. In 1976, a bill was passed requiring that every person in possession of any firearm or ammunition obtain a license, valid for 5 years, to be issued only if the licensing officer is "satisfied that the applicant has nothing in his or her background that would render him unfit to possess a firearms' license." The applicant was also required to provide "the statements of two guarantors, from a selected list, who have known him or her for more than two years, to the effect that they too know of nothing that would render him or her unfit to possess a firearms' license."

The tragic mass murder of 14 young women at Montreal's L'Ecole Polytechnique in 1989 by a deranged gunman galvanized the Canadian public to call for even more stringent firearm restrictions, including tighter restrictions on handgun ownership and the sale of ammunition, a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons and short-barrelled handguns, and mandatory registration of all firearms.

This new legislation, passed in 1995 in large part due to the efforts of the Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians, gave Canada among the strictest gun control regulations in the western world, while still allowing hunters and target shooters to practice their sports. Since enactment of the new regulations, gun ownership in Canada has fallen 17%, firearm-related homicides have dropped to their lowest level since 1966, and overall crime has declined by about 20%.

http://www.calacep.org/issues/pp_firearms%20background.html

Conversely, the Canadian police will issue Weapon Certificates, even for restricted firearms, to people whose last felony was more than ten years ago.

A person may appeal the police refusal of a restricted weapons certificate to a provincial court judge. Unlike with the Firearms Acquisition Certificate for ordinary long guns, such applicants bear the burden of proving that the police erred in rejecting their application.

The Canadian laws for handguns and most long guns are more moderate than in some United States jurisdictions. Following an example first set in the Chicago suburb of Morton Grove, several other Chicago suburbs, Chicago itself, and Washington, D.C. totally bar handgun purchases. New York City (police for several years simply refused to issue handgun applications, until ordered three times to do so by the state courts.New Jersey allows handgun purchases, but (despite a requirement for 30-day application processing) the police often take half a year or more to issue a license.

In some Canadian jurisdictions the police run a background check and authorize a handgun purchase in an afternoon, whereas states such as California require fifteen-day waiting periods for every single handgun, rifle, or shotgun purchase.

http://www.davekopel.com/2a/LawRev/Canadian_Gun_Control.htm

how do you get something as stupid as most shootings having any relation to family members?

Victim Offender Relationship by Victim Gender, 1976-2005

Percent of homicide victims by gender

Victim/Offender relationship Male Female
Total 100.0 % 100.0 %

Intimate 5.0 30.0
Spouse 3.0 18.3
Ex-spouse 0.2 1.4
Boyfriend/Girlfriend 1.8 10.4

Other family 6.8 % 11.8 %
Parent 1.3 2.8
Child 2.1 5.4
Sibling 1.2 0.9
Other family 2.2 2.8

Acquaintance/Known 35.3 % 21.8 %
Neighbor 1.1 1.3
Employee/er 0.1 0.1
Friend/Acquaintance 29.4 17.0
Other Known 4.6 3.4

Stranger 15.5 % 8.7 %


Source : US Department of Justice.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/gender.htm

By far the most common crime committed with a gun in Toronto is robbery. In 1992, there were 1,111 robberies involving firearms. In 2004, the latest year for which Statistics Canada has data, there were 625. That's a 44-per-cent drop. (Note that the Statistics Canada data err on the side of inclusion: Any incident in which a firearm was present is recorded, even if the firearm wasn't used in the crime.)

The next most common gun crime is "assault with weapon." In 1992, there were 185 such incidents in Toronto. In 2004, there were 77. That's a 59-per-cent decline. In 1992, there were 44 kidnappings involving a firearm. In 2004, there were 21. That's a 53-per-cent decline. In 1992, there were 31 aggravated assaults with a firearm. In 2004, there were 26.

In 1992, 46 common assaults occurred in which a firearm was present. In 2004, there were 32.

It's also out of line with a decline in gun crime that has been going on fairly steadily for decades. In 1977, 39 per cent of all robberies involved a firearm; in 2004, just 14 per cent of robbers carried a gun.

Gun murders dropped even more dramatically: In 1974, the rate of such killings was a little more than 1.2 per 100,000 people; in 2004, it was less than 0.6.

http://www.dangardner.ca/Coljan406.html

If every state had Florida's 10-20-LIFE law...there would be less gun crime due to less crooks being around...

Oh, btw...how many of those weapons used in Toronto 2004 were actually REGISTERED??? How many were used by the owners?? how many were stolen/unregistered??

Most shootings occur among family members or acquaintances.

now that, is ridiculous on it's face. sixty percent of all shootings in the u.s. are gang and drug related. another twenty five percent are during robberies not involving drugs and gangs. about three percent are police shootings. about ten percent are suicides.
how do you get something as stupid as most shootings having any relation to family members? the number of family shootings is miniscule.
that is just plain reality