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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:12:30 AM | | unfortunately nero, you just don't live in a civilized state. many states have passed no retreat laws, and of course, texas has the best. there you can kill a punk after he's running away if he has anything that belongs to you. in the civilized states, it is not necessary for the trash to brandish a weapon. if it tries to rob you, or carjack you, you simply do your part for clean air and stop his polluting it. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:17:08 AM | | ^^^^ I don' t know. If this is the way they are in much of the rest of "civilized" America then I really must be even less "American" than I had hitherto thought. I understand what you're saying, but this kind of behavior just wouldn't be my style. I don't want to live in some latter day American wild west type of environment where everyone's carrying their "peacemakers" around. Thanks anyway. I'll take Canada or Europe. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:24:19 AM | unfortunately nero, you just don't live in a civilized state. many states have passed no retreat laws, and of course, texas has the best. there you can kill a punk after he's running away if he has anything that belongs to you. in the civilized states, it is not necessary for the trash to brandish a weapon. if it tries to rob you, or carjack you, you simply do your part for clean air and stop his polluting it.
Yes florida is so civilized, that an off duty drunken cop can use it as an excuse to shoot you, when you're ejecting him... from your own home.
#7 Tennessee: 0.704 per 10,000 people
The civilized area of Tennessee has one of the worst murder rates in the USA.
This means it's civilized around
Zambia: 0.70769 per 10,000 people
About 68% of Zambians live below the recognised national poverty line,[15] with rural poverty rates standing at about 78%[16] and urban rates of 53%.[17] Per capita annual incomes are currently at about one-half their levels at independence and, at $395, place the country among the world's poorest nations. Social indicators continue to decline, particularly in measurements of life expectancy at birth (about 40.0 years) and maternal mortality (729 per 100,000 pregnancies). The country's rate of economic growth cannot support rapid population growth or the strain which HIV/AIDS related issues (i.e. rising medical costs, decline in worker productivity) place on government resources.
Goooo Tennessee!
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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:30:07 AM | | Amen! They'll take my guns away when they pry my cold dead fingers off the trigger! | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 12:15:47 PM | Hey, mumbo jumbo - you still haven't explained your strategy plan for fighting the US government with the weapons they allow you to have.
Do you have a defence for one of those guided missiles that will fly through your front door and blow you to smithereens before you even know it's arrived?
Or is the idea of fighting off the government just self - delusion. Come on - let's hear how you think the second amendment works to allow you to fight off the government.
Are you guys REALLY deluded into thinking you could win a civil war?
A city full of armed civilians?
Cut of the power
Cut off the water.
Cut off the food.
Bomb them.
Aren't you really implying that Americans should really be fighting for the right to own ALL arms? | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 12:40:01 PM | great leaders seem rise to the ocassion, ~ Linclon and Truman to name a few ~ it's hard decision they made ~ decisions impossible by commuity ~ Rule a country the size and diversity of the US by commuity ~~ I can' t see it.
I have faith in good strong leadership" if " it can stay inside the boundries provides by the consitution. ~
Strong leadership with moral compass and respect for principals of law ~
forgive me ~ for allowing you doubt my meaning. ~dar | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 12:42:06 PM | quietjohn2,
What makes you think we would have to? The US military won't fire on US citizens. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 12:56:21 PM | | Criminals make the most interesting statements. Particularly ones like"I'm more afraid of private gun owners than cops, because cops don't shoot as accurately, and they have to show restraint. Private gun owners don't feel the need for restraint, and shoot to kill." "That John Q.(citizen) just came out of nowhere and blew my buddy away. WE were lookin' for cops, not regular people." "So many people have guns these days, crime is getting harder than a regular job" Once again, America, land of the free, home of the (very) brave. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:11:25 PM | Then you don't even need the guns.
The guns aren't to fight the military with. They are to keep the politicians in check. As well as for protection from ALL other invaders.
You have to understand that the military is made up of our fathers, brothers, sons , mothers, sisters and daughters.
They won't fire on us even if they were told to do so. However, a crooked politician would.
I don't listen to people that tell me I don't need a gun. I make that decision for myself.
Someone that tells me I don't need a gun is most likely up to no good. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:17:19 PM |
Criminals make the most interesting statements. Particularly ones like"I'm more afraid of private gun owners than cops, because cops don't shoot as accurately, and they have to show restraint. Private gun owners don't feel the need for restraint, and shoot to kill." "That John Q.(citizen) just came out of nowhere and blew my buddy away. WE were lookin' for cops, not regular people." "So many people have guns these days, crime is getting harder than a regular job" Once again, America, land of the free, home of the (very) brave.
This is so true. Every criminal that has ever been interviewed has made a similar comment. It kind of makes me think all the antis are getting paid to push for gun control by the crooks themselves. After all.......to a criminal and armed citizen is an occupational hazard. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:17:39 PM | The guns aren't to fight the military with. They are to keep the politicians in check. As well as for protection from ALL other invaders.
The US military seems to do that job well. The invaders thing, also some pistol in your car isn't going to stop an invasion of the US military can't. Also you're advocating political based murder like a terrorist now.
I don't listen to people that tell me I don't need a gun. I make that decision for myself.
Someone that tells me I don't need a gun is most likely up to no good.
Whats my motivation?
Every criminal that has ever been interviewed has made a similar comment.
EVERY one huh? LOL.
Tell me what do all the interview parents of kids killed in gun accidents say in interviews?
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:21:36 PM |
The US military won't fire on US citizens. Kent State? - or do I need a history lesson too?
Here's an extract from the Wikipedia entry about the 1932 Bonus March
Troops carrying rifles with unsheathed bayonets and tear gas were sent into the Bonus Army's camps. President Hoover did not want the army to march across the Anacostia River into the protesters' largest encampment, but Douglas MacArthur felt this was a communist attempt to overthrow the government. Hundreds of veterans were injured, several were killed
What about the troops in New Orleans to protect from looters after Katrina.
Waco?
In each case, the enforcement actions were possible because the 'victims' were portrayed negatively. Sadly, public opinion is quickly swayed, particularly by those who also have the media in their arsenal.
However, the real point I was making was that some here justify owning weapons in order to protect themselves from the government. I'm merely pointing out that the government control over weaponry is such that they wouldn't stand a prayer, so it's not a very good argument. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:32:47 PM | | Those that beat their rifles into plow shares will plow for those who don't!!! | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:36:05 PM |
Those that beat their rifles into plow shares will plow for those who don't!!!
Yah like how all those non gun owning Americans plow for the gun owning ones.
No wait.
Like how the UK plows for the Iraqi population.
No wait. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:43:47 PM | ah in many states the law is that the person has to be in your house
you can not shoot someone that is outside for you do not know the intent of the person
but once inside - - the law and the bible states that the person's can not be up to good intent
but if when the police get there after you kick the body out of the house - - how do they know where he was - - - - - - oops
leave him inside till the police arrive. - - - - got it
Jim P. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:45:38 PM | you are simply a dreamer that does not understand the way of life - - -
dream all that you want - - it will not change reality
sure I would like to stop all wars, all of the killing, and food shortages and
make energy free and gas at 10 cents a gallon again - - but that is dreaming
Jim P.
Too many americans, think by owning a gun, you are safe.
Guns are too many in the states.
People should be limited to how many guns they can have and how they can get guns.
more tighter controls
however the problem is now coming to canada, lots of guns on black market
just recently there was 6 people murder in less the 24 hours in the city of Toronto
all gang related
i say rid the world of guns | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:46:24 PM |
but if when the police get there after you kick the body out of the house - - how do they know where he was - - - - - - oops
leave him inside till the police arrive. - - - - got it
Massive blood trails, worst advice ever. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 2:13:44 PM | | Careless kids have been sticking their hands down garbage disposals, too. Instead of educating the children, we need to get rid of EVERY garbage disposal right now... | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 2:25:55 PM | Right here in the Chicago Public School system we've had 25 deaths of students near school grounds (high school students) . And they're not killing each other with cars, or by putting each other down garbage disposals....
The fact is, in the big cities at least (perhaps such is not the case in the "civilized" rural places down in bumf_ck Texas somewhere ~ so this understandably just doesn't resonate with the "civilized Christian folk" down there) there has been and remains far too many weapons -- handguns and assault weapons. This city is aiming (no pun) to change that, and the next president (hopefully) will be Obama who is from here and knows all about this problem and definitely aims to at least slow down handgun and assault weapon proliferation. If we can't get an outright handgun ban as in DC (which we may yet, who knows) we will get something. All of the murders one sees almost daily in a Chicago newspaper, I can count on one hand the amount of times I recall reading a story about a man shooting an attacker , on the street OR in his home, in true self-defense, and getting exonerated afterward. I recall one incident, near where I live in fact, which made the news; other than that , these handguns appear to be nothing but the enemy here, never the "saving instrument" some seem to make them out to be.
These things are designed to harm or kill people or other animals, essentially. When a person uses it for that effect (yes, I realize it's the people who actually do the killing not the gun...  ) they are simply using it for the purpose for which it was created. Where you come from, when someone buys one it may well be just for fun, or out of family tradition (cuz Pops or Uncle Earl or whoever always had one just like it) , or for "sport" , or what have you. Well and good. Where I come from, where I was raised, when a civilian buys (much less carries) one it usually means he's the one who's looking for trouble or up to no good. I guess it just is another thing that again underscores the vast cultural and regional differences between people living in this country. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 2:43:34 PM | Here, here.....
My answer is sure to offend the most blunt of Tacklberries.
The issue is an amendment that's hundreds of years old. We no longer persue sustanance on a daily basis with our trusty shot guns.
The issue has gotten out of hand and is overly disputed.
I say,,, If you want a gun, get one. If you don't? Don't.
But, if you get accused of a crime while brandishing a firearm, and are sentenced,
you should be put away for life.
TV and the movies exploit a romantic obsession with guns that effect the lesser intelligent, and simple minded into thinking that guns are a necessary life sustaining commodity. In reality they have become to easy to get, and often result in death by accident. Just yesterday a 5 yr old blew off the top of another 5 yr olds head, here in St. Louis.
Why? Is it because some parent felt the need to boost their protection image?
And why did the gun powner make the piece accessable to the children?
In my opini0n, that parent should be charged with a crime, and stiff penality.
As if loosing a childs life isn't bad enough, it isn't. Stricker laws need to be enforced.
Guns kill people regardless! Not the other way around. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 4:58:40 PM | It's worse than garbage disposals. America's worst-ever serial killer, Ted Bundy, killed dozens of women, and disdained guns. He killed with logs and rocks.
He was caught after he murdered two Florida college students with a tire lever. Obviously we need to register all tire levers. If you have a tire lever in your car, I hope you have been trained in its use and hold a permit to carry a concealed tire lever. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 6:10:23 PM | | Wait, wait, I cut myself on a can opener! LET"S GET RID OF 'EM ALL!!! Hey, I sprained my ear on my pillow the other night, THEY ALL GOTTA GO! I stubbed my toe on a curb the other day,LET'S GET 'EM ALL REGISTERED! | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 6:24:56 PM | All I know is that there are very evil intentioned and mean spirited folks living among us (everywhere all over the world, not just USA. They strike often, and at random. For a variety of motives.
Do you really wanna get proper security for these (very likely situations, that happen to a shocking number of people everyday) before or after they happen?
Yes I know, me and most people will probably never face things like this. But most people usually put on a seat belt when they drive and have smoke alarms installed at their homes. Thats how me and most folks who own guns for home security and or concealed carry think of them as.
"An ounce of prevention, is worth a pound of cure" : Benjamin Franklin | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 6:51:40 PM | QUOTE: Do you really wanna get proper security for these (very likely situations, that happen to a shocking number of people everyday) before or after they happen?
Yes I know, me and most people will probably never face things like this. But most people usually put on a seat belt when they drive and have smoke alarms installed at their homes. Thats how me and most folks who own guns for home security and or concealed carry think of them as.
>>> Yes but as for this side of this debate, what does a law-abiding citizen do in an area (like Chicago and many other areas I'm sure as well) where you are not allowed to legally carry any concealed guns??? Or have them in your car within range of the driver ?? If you're on your way to the range here in Chgo you have to have it in a case out of your reach with the ammo separated from it, and then of course it better be properly reg'd and you have to have your valid IL FOID on you.
So what good does that piece do you on the street when you're rolled, but you have it at HOME in the closet, or when the jacker puts the hand cannon in your drivers side window and it's in a case out of your reach , and unloaded anyway? And if you do choose to flout these laws (here in IL at least) you are risking becoming a felon on your next minor traffic stop for having that thing within reach of the driver and loaded (which it would have to be in order to be effective -- in that last example).
So really the only point for owning one here could feasibly be the situation where you're going to pull it out , and be prepared to accurately use it, in the middle of the night on a home invader (who also has to be likewise armed btw -- again here in IL at least), or else simply for going to the range to shoot at paper targets with it. Any other use of it (even if you claim it's on you for "self defense") is felonious here. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 7:08:23 PM | Good question, my answer is move the hell away from Chicago. I just wouldn't live there, and with the amount of crime that goes on I don't get why anybody who takes personal security seriously would. Obviously the carry ban isn't working.
How exactly is that law, supposed to protect me when I get robbed by a gun weilding perp? I guess I could let him know that you can't carry handguns before he kills me. People are obviously still packing there, just like pretty much every college campus. They are victim a plenty zones. | |
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