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Posted: 4/24/2008 1022 PM
I cut my hand badly the other day on a can of potato sticks. Let's ban them

whoa whoa, whoa, hold on there, ban guns?! are you on crack? do you know what that will do with the crime rate? when the UK and Austraila banned all guns, the crime rate went up 800%. and trust me i'm well aware of the gun problems in Toronto, i've spent lots of time in Toronto and Canada. its a lack of enforcement not the lack of laws, the spineless gutless politicians don't enforce the current gun laws. i love the fact we have the right to own as many firearms as I want. and yes gun registration is a waste of money, and it punishes the law abiding citizens, cause the criminals aren't gonna register their guns. so please don't even suggest banning firearms, i use mine in a safe and responseable manner, and if you ban them, people like me will suffer, while the criminals run amok.

Check the statistics where there is gun control crime goes thru the roof -- ask Australia the last major nation that banned them. Ask canadians same thing there.

If you dont like it then go to England or Canada, or Australia or any of the countries that meet your ideal of a gun free society and see how well you do there.

i'm well aware of the gun problems in Toronto

The fact is that cigarettes kill many times more people than guns do. If saving lives is the point then deal with the cigarette addiction

The fact is that cigarettes kill many times more people than guns do. If saving lives is the point then deal with the cigarette addiction


And what about alcohol addiction/abuse? Kill someone faster with that than with a carton of cigarettes.

ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.

In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.

The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that's where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.

According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."

The report goes on to state that "over-the-counter purchases are not the only means by which guns reach the illegal market from FFLs" and reveals that 23,775 guns have been reported lost, missing or stolen from FFLs since September 13, 1994, when a new law took effect requiring dealers to report gun thefts within 48 hours. This makes the theft of 6,000 guns reported in the CIR/Frontline show "Hot Guns" only 25% of all cases reported to ATF in the past two and one-half years.

Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.

ATF officials say that only about 8% of the nation's 124,000 retail gun dealers sell the majority of handguns that are used in crimes. They conclude that these licensed retailers are part of a block of rogue entrepreneurs tempted by the big profits of gun trafficking. Cracking down on these dealers continues to be a priority for the ATF. What's needed, according to Wachtel, is better monitoring of the activities of legally licensed gun dealers. This means examining FFL paperwork to see where their guns are coming from, and making sure that those guns are being sold legally. But he says, "Let's be honest. If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

The Journal of the American Medical Association study questioning the effectiveness of the Brady law in reducing homicide rates begins with a flawed premise: that criminals get guns from their own states (news article, Aug. 2). The study compared the 32 states that installed the Brady law in 1994 with the 18 states that already required buyer background checks and concluded that the law had limited effect.

But gun-trace data show that a handful of states with weak gun laws are the source of most of the country's out-of-state crime guns. They also show that in states with tough gun laws, like New York and New Jersey, nearly three-fourths of all crime guns were bought in another state and trafficked over state lines illegally.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0
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In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.

I hear there is nothing more intimidating than a criminal standing in a dark house they're intending to rob only to hear a crisp clear sound in the dark of a gun being racked. (is that the term?)

Personal problems are just that-personal problems,be they addictions or trigger happiness(BB gun-as a kid-worked it out) which every individual has to face. We should bolster our legal system to PUNISH PEOPLE who are out of control.