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Posted: 4/27/2008 7:54:36 PM | ^^^ Thank you for making my point in a more understandable context.
That was EXACTLY the point I was trying to make.
I will probably NEVER have to discharge the shotgun. The sound of a shotgun being racked is distinctive and implied. My aim doesn't need to be precise as the previous poster pointed out. The intruder knows the damage a shotgun will do.
The mere implication of the rack is obvious. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 4:01:15 AM | Gun control does not always reduce the abuse of guns.
Here in UK, handguns were banned. And guess what ? The number of deaths by handgun has increased !!
The law makers seem to forget one thing - criminals ignore laws. When you restrict gun ownership, all you do is restrict the GOOD GUYS from owning a gun. The BAD GUYS will carry on regardless. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 8:46:57 AM | brian says:
Here in UK, handguns were banned. And guess what ? The number of deaths by handgun has increased !!
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This brings to mind my memories of living in London from time to time. The impression I got was how amazingly well the bad guys could do an awful lot of damage to society without guns. It makes you think that maybe the crime problem is due to criminals rather than to the hardware. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 12:50:00 PM |
I will probably NEVER have to discharge the shotgun. The sound of a shotgun being racked is distinctive and implied. My aim doesn't need to be precise as the previous poster pointed out. The intruder knows the damage a shotgun will do.
The mere implication of the rack is obvious.
Lostcauz, an earlier poster on this thread, made this point as well.
A shotgun is a lot safer than a pistol for self and home protection. It is simple to use, highly effective--just point and click--and the projectiles don't penetrate walls. Even body armor won't stop shot from hitting an intruder's face, and what burglar is going to come in suited up with a face shield?
So, if it turns out to be a firefighter coming through the door and you're a hare quick on the trigger, there probably won't be any lasting damage.
I like it! Makes a great loud boom when you fire it too. Not that I'll ever need one. Who'd want to bother me? I'd just talk 'em to death. LOL!!! | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 1:12:54 PM | ^^^ Ok, so yes a racked shotgun is an (obvious) lethal deterrent. But , just consider things for one second if you will from the viewpoint of someone who's not willing to keep a gun in their home. I live in Chgo, far from a "bad area" but there's occasional crime (it is Chicago after all), and I have never had any issues here at all. I have a good alarm system, I have 911 to call in the event of a suspected break-in for example in the middle of the night, I have other (probably non-lethal) weapons in the event of some (totally bizarre & remote IMO) "close quarters" combat-type of situation occurring  . So , combining, say, deadbolts on good doors, any decent home security system, other "non-lethal" common "weapons", and even say a large dog (I'm thinking like a 130 or 140lb Presa Canario / Rottweiler mix perhaps?? ) -- don't you think these kinds of things can be just as deterring to a burglar as him wondering if you might have a gun in your nightstand ??
Furthermore in some sense they might even be more deterring, because you have stickers on your windows and doors that say "ADT" (or whatever) and a sign that says "Beware of Dog", he may well hear or worse yet SEE the dog..... I'm thinking only the most determined would still go in. And if they do go in despite all of that, what's so unfeasible about locking up yourself and/or your family and dialing 911 immediately, and avoiding all of the (potential) trouble , etc, of drilling somebody to death in your own kitchen? | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 3:31:35 PM | Nero,
I'm actually with you on that. Who needs the mess? Having a gun in the house is likely to _attract_ burglars if the fact were to become known--especially a handgun.
A gun can fetch a pretty penny or come in handy if you're a criminal.
So, I'm not likely ever to have one. What would I do with it?
I can't see the need, but I can't deny the right either. All I can do is my best to convnce people who insist on keeping them that they keep them properly locked up when they're not home to keep an eye on them.
But hey, if you just gotta have one, a shotgun is probably the best bet. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 4:33:09 PM |
Ok, so yes a racked shotgun is an (obvious) lethal deterrent.
Someone should invent a small portable device that plays an MP3 of a shotgun racking. 
Same effect, no danger at all.  | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 5:11:19 PM | Some of these posts are way OFF the wall. There is NO way I can be kept up to date with this thread on what has and hasn't bee said; however, some of you realllllly need to rethink your logic. There are MILLIONS of gun owners in the US, MILLIONS. What?? somewhere around 64million, prob more!!?? The statistics some of yall are using is way off course. PLEASE slow down!! Don't be so misinformed!
Police aren't psychic, they don't know when you or a family member will be robbed, assaulted, raped, or worse. Robbers aren't going to give police a 10 minute "heads up" when they come to your home, or sneak up on you as you walk to your car. We live in reality, face it. Police only arrive after the fact. You can have your own fears, opinions, or prejudices, I'm not here to change that. What I am saying though is that study after study, in state by state, allowing GOOD citizens to bear arms saves lives. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 5:17:17 PM | | PS: My stimulus check from the Govt is going right towards a new rifle before Hillary gets into office... dear God. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 5:31:18 PM | Texas is pretty open about guns, right ? Almost an ideal place, for an NRA fan, I'd think.
The city had 351 homicides through Dec. 31 down from 376 in 2006, HPD spokesman John Cannon said.
That's 14.4 homicides per 100,000 residents in 2007, compared with 15.9 during 2006. In 2005, Houston recorded 336 homicides, a rate of 14.3 percent.
http://gettingovergettingmad.blogspot.com/2008/01/decrease-in-houstons-crime-rate.html
A death penalty state that executes people, lots of prisoners and jails, and lots of police.
People allowed to carry concealed handguns, and a pretty lax set of restrictions on guns.
Houston, again, had 14.4 homicides per 100,000 people.
Police reported 605 homicides in 2006, 58 fewer than in 2005. This resulted in a rate of 1.85 homicides per 100,000 population, 10% lower than in 2005. The national homicide rate has generally been declining since the mid-1970s, when it was around 3.0.
Virtually all provinces and territories reported declines in their homicide rate in 2006. The most notable occurred in Ontario, where there were 23 fewer homicides.
The highest homicide rates were found again in the Western provinces. Saskatchewan, which had 40 homicides, reported the highest rate (4.1 per 100,000 population) among the provinces.
The lowest provincial homicide rates were in Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick and Quebec. The rate in Quebec (1.2 per 100,000 population) was the lowest in that province in 40 years.
Among all 27 CMAs, the highest homicide rates were reported in Regina, where the rate was 4.5 homicides per 100,000 population, Edmonton (3.7) and Saskatoon (3.3).
Bucking the national trend, the Ottawa–Gatineau area reported an unusually high number of homicides. The rate in Gatineau (3.1) was the highest in almost 20 years, and Ottawa's rate (1.8), while similar to the national average, was the highest in over a decade.
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/070718/d070718b.htm
Canada has roughly 50 citizens that have a permit to carry a concealed handgun.
It has less jails, and far less police officers per capita than Texas.
There's no death penalty.
We had a national average of 1.85 /100,000 homicide rate , and the worst area had 4.5 /100,000.
One third the rate of Texas, with every "disadvantage" possible.  | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 6:53:09 PM | When this discussion was started over 2 years ago......and still with the "gun control".
There is already to much control already.
I'm not giving up my 12 gauge.......and it's always loaded. 
Took the gun safety courses.......and know full well that the minute the bullet leaves the barrel, I am responsible for where it ends up.
The instructor also said shoot to kill........don't let um get up.
If the dogs don't stop them, then I will.
Besides I like my 357........and I know how to use it.
About 2 years ago some guy was outside my house and kept beating at the door.........I had no weapon other than the one I carried in Korea.......a very sharp ice pick.
It took the police about 20 minutes to get here........never again will I depend upon the police to protect me.
I was on the phone with the 911 operator and she actually wanted me to go in the other room and look out the window, to see if I could see where he was....nope, I was frozen with fear. Thank goodness, he left.
At least they did look around when they got here.
By the time they arrive, they might as well bring the coroner with them.
There hadn't been any weapons at the house, for many years, because the ex feared them........
back then I figured if someone broke in, I would just shovel him into them and run. 
Should have traded him for some heat a long time ago.
I went to a baby shower..........no children present.........and mention something about "packing heat".
Out of 10 people, 8 were packing.
My sis got a glock for her 25th anniversary.
Even if guns were taken away, criminals would still have them..........
Just the other day in Nashville, an armed citizen saved a couple of people, when 2 armed thugs, tried to rob the convenience store.
One thug got way and the other one stumbled outside, collapsed and died.
Eminent danger and his right to legally shoot the perp.
Saved the tax payers some money.....no trial, confinement........
Liberally = take everything away.
And have the government to control every last thing.
If the worst happens, and it could, the police can only so so much and can not protect everyone...........
then I'm prepared to defend myself.
I want an AR16 for my birthday.
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Posted: 5/2/2008 3:36:42 AM | fra59e have you ever fired a 12 gauge shotgun before? Or inside closed doors at night time, you instanly become blinded and deaf. Plus confused and disoriented especially in a home defensive situation. Which means, you aren't as accurate.
Your direct quote is : "But a blast from a 12 gauge shotgun is likely to blow his guts out where ever it hits." Unless your under 20-15 yards, then yes you can miss big.
I have a home security 12 gauge, but I usually find myself grabbing for my .45ACP HK USP full size, pistols have a tactical advantage long guns do not. Much less for a home invader to grab on to, plus if your well trained in a pistol, (as in weapon retention tactics). A hangdun is IMO the best option to to control a a potenially violent home intruder. And even if the intruder is dumb enough to grab your pistol, I had experience in that exact same senario not too long ago. And since a semi-auto .45ACP HK USP is small, (is not easy to take away). While he was still trying the business barrel end of my .45 was still covering him his chest area vitals, I could have started shooting but didn't. I was confident enough in my training.
I figured that he would soon realise, he was being quite stupid by trying to wrestle a pistol away from me, it was a futile situaton for this crook. And not worth getting shot over.
Plus I wanted to add, I hate that myth thats older than the hills that somehow pumping a 12 gauge shotgun is supposed to scare a intruder, lol I'm sure inexperience criminals might be intimidated, but professionally experinced killers and robbers, all that does is just let them know that you didn't have your shotgun's chamber loaded. And smart crooks know that BS (gunstore commando) myth. They use it to their advantage by having a chamber already loaded. People who are crooks by trade, aren't dumb ppl, and don't enter a occupied home unprepared. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2008 4:48:42 AM | I just wanted to add,
The post that I responded to, from user : fra59e his message was number 2000.
Just so everyone knows what I was replying to. | |
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Posted: 5/3/2008 9:33:59 PM | Hey fun2ime,
You sound like someone who knows his way around guns. For you, I'm sure a pistol would be a much better weapon than a shotgun. However, I don't believe that most people are like you. I seriously doubt that most people who want to keep a gun around for personal protection are nearly as well trained or proficient with them as you are.
If they were, there would be no need for this discussion!
The problem with indiscriminate gun ownership, as I see it, is that any untrained idiot can get one. Let me ask you this: do you think that the vast majority of gun owners think about things from a tactical perspective like you? Or do you think that most of them rather expect that the gun is more of a magical talisman. "I've got a gun. That makes me safe."
Also, you sound like someone who's gamed out the toughest situation and decided to prepare for it. I admire that. But do you honestly think that most gun owners do that? I seriously doubt it.
There are few things in a house worth stealing that an opportunistic burglar would care about. So the weapon that affords the broadest deterrence to the criminal type that is most likely to break and enter is probably the best bet for most people. Any idiot can point and fire a shotgun, and the racking sound is a clear warning. After that, one shot should be enough to stop almost any action inside a room. If it will shock and momentarily blind the shooter, how much moreso the target? Also, the blast will alert the neighbors.
So for you, have at it. You're the sort of person who knows how to deal with a handgun. But most people I know? I'd barely trust 'em with a pointy stick. They've got no business waving around something that can kill at 100 yards or more. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 5:21:15 AM | I really hope MOST aren't thinking of a gun, as a magical object. I am totally aware that guns have a mystique, even seductive to very many different people. Some are drawn to them for various reasons, but thankfully I would say (at least here in america) most are trust worthy folks. Lots only use them for fun at the range. Which is fun, but expensive.
You said : "Also, you sound like someone who's gamed out the toughest situation and decided to prepare for it. I admire that. But do you honestly think that most gun owners do that? I seriously doubt it. "
Good question, I don't know how many people would really fight back, who have drawn guns. Or how many of them even have a plan. Some freeze up, some don't.
Well, I do love shotguns dont get me wrong I would reach for it, if the situation called for it. I used to own a colt 9mm/.45 carbine that looks like a small M16. That was the best home security weapon I ever had, hands down. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 6:55:06 AM | | I think that owning a gun should be a privilege not a right. Just as driving a car is a privilege, not a right. We have laws you must abide by and a test you must take and pass in order to drive a car because we don't want people out there with access to operate something that could potentially be dangerous. To me, it should be the same thing for guns. Some people lack the mental stability and responsibility to own a gun and have ruined it for the rest of us. But that's just my opinion. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 9:48:26 AM | Posted By: 26natasha26 on 5/4/2008 6 06 AM
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Message: I think that owning a gun should be a privilege not a right. Just as driving a car is a privilege, not a right. ...
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No, that's a false analogy. Cars are a convenience, but the right of a civilian population to have the means to protect itself from its government's despotism must be maintained, to whatever degree is possible.
Ask the Jews of York. When York was one of the largest cities in Europe, its ghetto was home to a large population of Jews.
King Henry II decreed that henceforth, the arms of his staff would be enhanced, but the Jews were forbidden to own wepaons, even defensive armor. Guess what the outcome was?
You got it. They were exterminated in the worst pogrom in English history. A disarmed people is bait for every would-be plunderer.
Not only is the disarmed population exposed to violent predators within the civilian population, it is a temptation to its rulers to become tyrants.
Gun control has never enhanced the freedom of a people. It has proven by history to be a step towards despotism. You can go all the way back to ancient Greece: read Aristotle's "Constitution of Athens" to see how democracy was destroyed when the tyrant Peisistratus set out to recover tyrannical power - and his first step was to trick the people into loss of their weapons.
Owning a car is a revocable privilege. Arming yourself is an inalienable right. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 11:11:32 AM | It is USA in capital letters please....The OP of this thread does not like the USA so he typed it in lower case letters.
We have the right to bear arms so why are you arguing with people who have no idea what they give up, When they give up thier weapons they give up thier rights to protect themselves and thier families. One day they will sing a diffrent tune when someone in thier lives gets hurt and they could do nothing about it.
The criminals will always have guns so taking that right away from law abiding citizens only gives criminals the upper hand.
No one is ever going to agree on this and no one is going to change thier mind.. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 11:50:09 AM | Barnbabe...you are the IDEAL woman for a guy, just based off your stand on guns!!!
Almost like your situation, I bought my gun after I got back from Iraq in December. I turned 21 in July of 2007 while I was in Iraq, and just like anyone that turns 18 or 21, they want to do things that they weren't allowed to do before i.e. buy cigarettes, buy alcohol, drink, buy lottery tickets, etc. My thing to do was buy a gun, and that I did.
I live in the state of Kansas, and Kansas allows Carry Concealed Licenses, so naturally I wanted to get one of those. Most people think that Kansas isn't a very violent state, but trust me...it is!!! We had a guy (a soldier) die in front of a club when his girlfriend stabbed him. I'm sorry, I ain't going to let a chick stab me more than once without getting some lead in her head. Yes...I said head. No arm, no leg, no chest...just straight for the head. Forgive me if that disturbs some people...but I ain't going to serve and survive 15 months in Iraq, just to come home and get killed in a club...NOT HAPPENING!!!
I am sworn to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC!!! If the constitution says that I have the right to bear arms...then I will bear arms and defend myself from domestic enemies...just like I have sworn to do.
I carry a Ruger P95 MM, with (2) 15-round magazines and (1) 10-round magazine...all loaded with hollow-tip bullets. I have a Carry Concealed License, and I carry it wherever and whenever I can!
A gun to a law abiding citizen can be the difference between life and death...not just for him/her, but to other innocent lives. Just imagine if there weren't so many restrictions for guns...we might not have had incidents like the Virginia Tech shooting, or the mall shooting in Nebraska. A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN COULD HAVE STOPPED THOSE INCIDENTS!!!
When is America going to realize that the law enforcement agencies can't be everywhere at all times...and that sometimes citizens must be allowed to defend themselves!!!
So I agree with what Barnbabe has to say...more people should agree with her!!!
Thank you, Barnbabe... | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 9:38:56 PM | Do you, FUN2IME, have ANY idea what you are actually talking about? Granted, I have not looked at whose post you are responding to; however, what you posted is totally false. You show your own ignorance because you DON'T instantly become blinded or deaf, sure your hearing becomes less due to the ringing, but where do you become blinded? You don't. Especially as the shooter. In the dark you have a high hit rate percentage with a shotgun than a pistol, period. Especially as a trained individual.
How do you make these things up? Obviously you've never been in a "home security" situation... you know not of what you speak. In your "situation," which I doubt took place, you're lucky to be alive. You're luck the said suspect didnt pull out their own weapon. I'm not arguing what weapon is more optimal, but wrestling on the floor while with someone is the last position you want to be in. You don't ASSUME ANYTHING with break ins, especially with someone "soon releasing" your gun. Dont make assumptions, you will end up dead that way. Not to mention, PLEASE explain why you would keep a .45 chambered and not your shotgun?? You make no sense at all, please stop adding any advice to this post...Darwin is waiting........ | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 4:59:02 PM | lol, You say that I have no idea what I'm talking about. Obviously you seem more to be the one who has no idea what they are talking about, have you ever fired a 12 gauge shotgun at night, in the dark indoors?
A quote from you was : "what you posted is totally false." Tell me, how exactly was my post false?
I have before fired a 12 gauge indoors and in the dark, and YOU are blinded by the muzzle flash, granted not for very long. But more than long enough to get you shot/stabbed/clubbed/killed. Heck even a .357 magnum muzzle flash in the dark will disorient you.
I hope you didn't think I meant, like blinded as in forever. But with the intensely arrogant post you made, plus you not having a clue of what you were talking about, made me wonder. And you also said, of that particular situation, I was in. Which you doubt took place lol, I do have 20+ yrs self defense/firearms training.
I swear you have got to be one of the most arrogant people on this forum, to think I didn't know that was a very deadly fight for my LIFE. Ending up in that potential gun grabbing situation, was a very lucky and scary situation.
For you to even say, that you doubt that struggle took place. Would be like me telling some person on here who posted about a rape, or assault that I doubt them. I gotta say, this is very troll like behavior.
The reason it got to that point, is I didn't get a chance to reach for my surefire (mil spec flashlight), and unless I know what I'm SHOOTING AT, I do not pull the trigger.
Your direct quote was : "In the dark you have a high hit rate percentage with a shotgun than a pistol, period.". You forgot to mention, that you also have a high miss rate percentage. Saying "In the dark", I hope was a mistake. I hope you actually meant low light, because you never, and I MEAN never shoot in the dark. But since you seem to be the expert here, I'm sure you already knew that. (Sarcasm off).
I love shotguns yes, I think they are great home security firearms, part of a 3 gun battery for my house. But don't fool yourself into thinking they are the best, not only can you miss but they have drawbacks that pistols don't. One last thing, you wanted me to explain why I keep a .45 chambered and locked, because I can, and it's what I'm best with (for defense you really should always use what you are best trained with). Plus like I stated earlier, people can't grab it away easy like a long gun. Especially navigating down hallways. ,,,
Darwin is waiting??, lol I wouldn't make holier than thou statements like that. When the person who said it is a candidate himself. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 7:14:03 PM | No trolling, I just call BS. This will be my last post on this topic.
First, sorry if I came across as a jerk/arrogant fool- but some of what you say I still don't believe. I suppose that's my prerogative? Nor here, nor there. Even though you may have more "self defense/fire arm training" than I, it doesn't mean you know what you’re talking about OR have real world application. Two totally different things, as you should know. Sounds to me your one of those airshoft "taticool" gun nuts.
Secondly, always use whats closest and you are more comfortable with.
Now, if you want me to continue... read, otherwise, good chatting and hope you keep your guns safe from the Dems...
1.) The whole indoor shooting aspect, you are really over exaggerating.
2.) Most hallways in a home are not much more than 20yrds; even so with a shotgun you’re more likely to hit them vs. a pistol.
3.) Sure, you have more “control” with a pistol, but if they are that close to you that’s a bad situation. Period.
4.) I cant understand why you make assumptions in a home invasion like “he would soon release.” A lot of good your classes have done. Also, I’m not sure how it was stupid to not attempt to take the gun from you at that point.
5.) I misunderstood you I think on your loaded/unloaded bit. I read that as you don’t keep your shotgun loaded but you do keep your pistol loaded. When I think you meant the intruder keeps his loaded at all times.
Let’s keep this “stupid simple,” shall we?
Yes, I have fired a 12ga indoor in low light. Perhaps, as you back pedaled, "blind" was a bit strong of a word. And no, I didn't think "as in forever", lol.
Yes, I too have taken tactical classes. Want a cookie? If you had, you should know that the shotgun is one of the most underutilized guns, seems that your thinking is because of hesitation. Big mistake. Hesitation kills.
Face it, pistols are easy to hide and they are light weight (hence, concealed carry). Not to mention, they take much more practice to be consistent and effective. Whereas with a shotgun it is an easy platform and allows one to place it against ones shoulder to allow accurate and fast shooting. When someone breaks into your home, the goal is to stop them from getting to you. Whether that means they live or die is somewhat beside the point, the point is you stopped them from harming you or your family.
Sure, you may miss more with a shotgun, but one shell from a shotgun vs. one pistol round, makes me think if poking hole in people is good, poking more is even better. Thus, the shotgun. The human body can do AMAZING things. So, I simply want to inflict as much trauma to keep them from getting to me.
I simply wouldn't make any assumptions if I was you, i.e. someone letting go of your barrel or gun soon. As you even said in your 2nd post: they, like yourself, could be fighting for your life. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 8:12:19 PM | I think you came across as a arrogant person who doesn't seem to have much of a firearms defense background (if at any). You call BS? And this comming from a person who obviously doesn't know a whole lot about what you think you do, I would call you the BS'er.
And you are way to hung up on shotguns only for home security (I use them too, just not only), maybe it's because you aren't very good/skilled and or confident with a pistol. Takes time, I know.
I'm confident in all my firearms, I would grab for a shotgun if in reach. But I take my pistol usually because it's on me, and trust me, you won't really need a shotgun in most civi encounters. Don't get me wrong though, a long while back I was working at a pistol range in a bad neighborhood, while I was there alone. I carried a pistol gripped fully loaded 12 gauge with a 6shot sidesaddle, over my shoulder. Never felt safer.
Just curious, can I ask how many indoor shooting/shootouts you've had? (Can't be many you are only 25). I'm just asking, because you claim your points are more valid.
What you said on number 4, the reason I knew he would soon release his grip, was I told him he would be shot. And he came a half a second away from it. And I'm sure glad he did what I said, if I had shot him, I'd have unknown possibly infected blood all over me. So yes, I made the right call.
Man, you are such a sarcastic person you said : "Yes, I too have taken tactical classes. Want a cookie? If you had, you should know that the shotgun is one of the most underutilized guns, seems that your thinking is because of hesitation. Big mistake. Hesitation kills."
lol You have no clue what kind of training I have. I never said I took "Tactical Classes". You need to relax, take a pill. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 8:46:50 PM | I said I wouldn’t reply, maybe some clarification
1.) Sorry, I DO NOT have a “strong tactical background,” not in the least. It’s more of a hobby; perhaps like you I enjoy it. I’m not here to give advice to the average joe.
2.) “Let go of my gun or I’m going to shoot you” hahahah, gee if it were only that easy. That in itself doesn’t make sense. I can’t remember carrying on a conversation while I’m fighting for my life.
3.) I quote you saying “I never said I took "Tactical Classes,” sorry, you said you have 20 years of “defense/fire arms training.” I think that was a fair assumption, oh well, not the first time I was wrong. MY BAD
4.) Gee, you’re 5yrs older than me, I mean, how unlucky do you have to be to have more than ONE indoor encounter in a life time? I don’t care if your 15 or 85, you don’t want any. I’ve never had an indoor shooting encounter. I HAVE had two break ins, both of which the prep fled. You can’t shoot someone in the back, ya know? I have shot indoors, however. (besides an indoor range.)
5.) Isn’t the point of a “home security” weapon, to keep it within reach?
6.) Though hypocritical, because I assume way too often, just because I choose a shotgun as my number one HOME defense weapon, doesn’t for one second mean I can’t shoot a pistol. People have been known to survive multiple well placed pistol shots, but a good shot to the chest with a shot gun is more reliable. Hence my reasoning. I suppose I’m arrogant.
Lastly: “Don't get me wrong though, at a range in a bad neighborhood, while I was alone. I carried a pistol gripped fully loaded 12 gauge with a 6shot sidesaddle, over my shoulder. Never felt safer.” WOW... where is your range??? Remind me never to go there. Seems that sense you carried that it somewhat proves my point. I dont know what kind of ranges you go to, but that would be against ANY and ALL rules... major red flag. Keep digging. | |
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| gun control in the usa
Posted: 5/6/2008 9:14:58 PM | You said : 1.) "Let go of my gun or I'm going to shoot you" hahahah, gee if it were only that easy. That in itself doesn't make sense. I can't remember carrying on a conversation while I'm fighting for my life".
First of all you were not THERE, you have no idea how it went down, so don't assume. Also you basically poked fun of a serious/deadly situation, it showed totally how immature you are. Such a nice mature way to make light out of a personal almost deadly attack, whats next? Should I mention how my mother avoided rape, by telling the attacker she was pregnant?
Plus you totally missed the good part of that story, nobody died! Hopefully you will never actually experience taking a life, (like I have). Since then, I will do everything I can to prevent taking a life. Nobody breaking into your house/apartment, is worth killing over. | |
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