| gun control in the usa
Posted: 5/6/2008 9:39:33 PM | Why is it so easy to obtain a firearm in the US?
I would also like to know how the government would go about enforcing more strict legislation on gun control. With so many people in the US having had easy access for such a long time, something of that magnitude could benefit the black market for weapons exponentially. Not to mention the influx of people getting arrested for gun trafficking... The prisions are already overcrowded & the judicial system overextended. Are the tax payers willing to foot the cost? It all seems very ineffective. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 10:16:30 PM | | Outlaw guns and only Outlaws will have them. The people I know do not think that owning a gun makes you safe. It just evens out the playing field a bit. Also anyone that has had to fight for a living knows that only a fool will trust their life to a weapon, your hands are just as effective. The gang bangers moving guns are outlaws so what do you think another law will do? Enforce the laws we have. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 11:33:46 PM | I own guns becuase I am granted that personal right under the Constitution of the United States of America.
I need no other reason to keep and bare arms. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 1:24:54 AM | you know our fire arms laws in Australia have a lot going for them.
You can own a rifle shotgun or air rifle. You can hunt.
Semi Autos are by and large banned. Pump action shotguns are banned apart from I think 20 gauge pump actions used by shot gun club members for shooting clay targets. This exception was allowed for the many female members who prefered the lighter weight of the smaller bore pump action gun.
Hand guns you can have but must be a policeman, security officer or pistol club member. If you are a pistol club member you must attend a certain number of shoots each year.
Clubs take firearm safety very seriously. I don't think there is much risk to society from gun club members.
So we have regulation and restriction but a reasonable person who wants to shoot can.
In Japan they have about 5 or 6 firearms deaths a year and firearms there are almost completely banned.
As far as America goes it is not my place to say what should or shouldn't happen, it's not my country. I can say our laws in Australia do work reasonably well.
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Posted: 5/7/2008 5:33:52 AM | When did I say anyone died? I didnt.
Youre right about not making assumptions, but I still wouldnt assume anything with a break in, after yours I'm surprised you did. You arent going to let go of the gun easily, why should they?
I dont think any saine person wants to take a life, but if someone breaks into your home I'd hope you are indeed prepared for the worest.
Anyway, your two stories are two totally different things. Sorry those situations happen to both you and your mother, NO laughing matter. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 8:51:02 AM | Posted By: machinetool on 5/7/2008 1 54 AM
Subject: gun control in the usa
Message: you know our fire arms laws in Australia have a lot going for them. ...
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What these Ockers overlook is that while they had their independence handed to them on request, we had to fight the bloody Poms to win ours. Such history does give grounds for a different attitude towards government.
The essential element in preserving the right of civilians to be armed is that it is to a degree a defense against domestic despotism. That's why practically every one of the founders of this republic insisted on preserving the ancient right of the people to be armed, in contrast to the founders of the Australian dominion shouting God save the King. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 10:39:18 AM |
Why is it so easy to obtain a firearm in the US?
Houston Chronicle, May 18th 2008
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5788116.html
For months, if not years, before some 30 guns disappeared from the Houston Police Department, people with criminal backgrounds had access to supposedly secure places, including HPD's own property room, according to internal police documents obtained by the Houston Chronicle.
You gotta wonder at the folks who still believe that they could defeat the government with the arms they are allowed to bear (not bare!). Maybe such delusion is a symptom of people who shouldn't be allowed near guns. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 1:07:53 PM | | I say we need more,with gas prices skyrocketing, moreand more robberies out there,get a gun and protect yourself | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 3:17:00 PM | The point of keeping arms among the civilian population is not to imagine that you can defeat the government. It is to make it less attractive for any government to try to oppress you.
An unarmed population is a sitting target for every would-be tyrant that passes by.
In 1940, the Nazi forces occupied France right up to the Channel where you can look across to the white cliffs of Dover on a clear day.
At that moment the disarmed British were so vulnerable that the government took an inventory of their weapons they might need to use if the Germans landed. They were so desperate that they even counted farmers' pitchforks.
At that point, America's National Rifle Association acted. They collected thousands of small arms from Americans who donated their pistols and revolvers to help arm the British in a hurry.
Now, THAT would be the moment in time foryou to try to convince people that letting Americans possess arms was a bad idea, and the British being unarmed was such a terrific idea. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 3:24:19 PM | A friend of mine summed up this argument in a short saying after Rosie O' Donnel said on her short lived talk show that we need more gun control and that's why Columbine happened. The gun isn't the problem. As anyone with a thinking brain is able to understand.
The saying is this:
Blaming guns for Columbine is like Rosie O'Donnel blaming a spoon for being fat.
As for the people(s) who have had their guns removed by "law" or willingly they are finding out right now that the criminals being willingly ignorant of the law still carry and use them. There was an area where criminals were running rampant and after the community all purchased weapons the crime dropped to almost none. Why is that? The criminals were tired of risking their lives in an area where everyone had a weapon to use against them.
I know of an old gal personally who was in her 70's when two thugs broke down her front door and she was lucky enough to have a double barrel shotgun in her home and blew one of the assailants heads from it's neck. Afterward, the other nugget ran off. The old gal called the police and explained what had transpired and the police didn't show till an hour and a half later. Please tell this old gal it would have been better for her to be perhaps raped and robbed and then killed because guns are bad.
As for a few of the spineless non-thinkers that I've seen expressing their spongy opinions here that guns are "bad"...Consider how this nation came to exist and keep it's freedom. Did we wag fingers around the face of the advancing enemy with expletives dancing off our tongues so as to push them back?
After reading the slightest bit of what a couple of folks have written I'm ashamed you call yourselves men. It's a slight against men everywhere who are more than a piece of meat with a gummiworm for a spine. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 3:43:39 PM | | I've found a new word for the droppings. From now on I can say, "Why looky there...You're dog just made a koss on my lawn. Would you mind picking it up?" | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 3:44:02 PM | Agree with the OP completely!
But knives have to go as well! All of them! Right down to butter knives,
razors, the ones in your blender and under your lawn mower!
Because they can all be misused, and the world will be a safer place
without such things! | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 3:55:15 PM |
Blaming guns for Columbine is like Rosie O'Donnel blaming a spoon for being fat.
But if someone had said, "Hey Rosie, you really don't look like a person that needs a spoon that large", perhaps her a$$ would be narrower today. 
When you have lunatics claiming that an online dealer is within his rights to sell out of state to a person known to have mental issues enough guns,clips and ammo to take out Lithuania, the reasn0ble gun owners/enthusiast is being done s disservice by the pro-gun lobby which should be representing them rather than the lunatic fringe. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 3:58:30 PM | A man called Hitler said and done the same thing you are proposing and then cooked the Jews in ovens - you get the point of coarse your the type of person who trust the government and used car salesman | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 4:06:31 PM | | rain you have a point. I live with gun control, I can and do own guns as a responsible and law abiding member of my community. Yet My community is safer than yours. Why do you think that is? Could it be partly due to an effort to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally unbalanced and immature (not to point a finger), and only in the hands of reasonable responsible people? | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 4:12:15 PM | Typical of the Liberal Left...spouting that we dont' have a right to bare arms..try
reading the Constitution of the United States of America..Then see if you have enuf
brains to digest exactly what that means. Then research the 20,000 laws that are
already ON THE BOOKS..pertaining to Gun Control..Over 40 States have laws that
permit law abiding citizens to bare firearms. in all those states, you can count on one
hand by violations to those laws. and if you really don't want any guns the the hands
of respecting Americans, move to Washington D.C...the murder capital of the world
where more people have been killed than in Iraq !!!!//What is really necessary in the
U.S.A...is "Judge Control"..and Sue Judges for Mal-practice, when they let off criminals to return to crime..work that into your little liberal brain. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 4:19:57 PM |
. Then research the 20,000 laws that are
already ON THE BOOKS..pertaining to Gun Control..Over 40 States have laws that
permit law abiding citizens to bare firearms. in all those states, you can count on one
hand by violations to those laws.
That right there is part of your problem. Screw the states and their 5 billion fvcked up and conflicting laws. Simple, effective federal law that all states must abide (so the crackdealer in DC doesn't have nothing more that a half hour drive between him and a gun counter in the local WallyMart).
"on one hand by violations", would mean you have next to no gun crime at all. An obvious fallacy. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 1:46:33 AM | I am not a grammar nazi but its bear arms, as in 'to carry'. It is not bare arms as in 'sleeveless'.
The United States is a Federal Republic. To remove individual powers from the state level would destroy this country. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 2:15:44 AM |
A man called Hitler said and done the same thing you are proposing and then cooked the Jews in ovens - you get the point of coarse your the type of person who trust the government and used car salesman
Actually hitler didn't institute gun control. The previous government did in order to prevent an armed uprising, it was a succesfull law. The Nazi attempt at revolution failed miserably, they had to be ellected into office. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 4:39:16 AM | | Gun control is just another way for the liberals to push us closer to Socialism...GUN's are not the problem, the people willing to use guns with criminal intent are...I think given the state of our country, now is a time that it has become prudent for the American Citizen to exert their right to own guns... | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 8:22:20 PM | Posted By: machinetool on 5/7/2008 154 AM
Subject: gun control in the usa
Message: you know our fire arms laws in Australia have a lot going for them.
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No way will I listen to an Aussie who talks about issues related to freedom. Their independence was handed to them on a platter; we had to fight the Poms to get ours, and then a few years later the @rseh0les came back and burned down the White House and we had to fight them off a second time.
To this day the Aussies have the flag of the Poms superimposed on their flag in the place of honor, and not long ago, the ELECTED prime minister of Oz was kicked out of office by the APPOINTED stooge of the Queen of England, her governor-general. So much for democracy.
The Aussies call Liz "their" queen. What a laugh. How many months of each year does she live in Canberra? Funny thing but she seems to have no problem spending time in Scotland.
History is pretty clear. From Aristotle's era to modern times, disarmed peoples have eventually lost their liberty. Few governments can indefinitely resist the temptation to seize illegitimate power. In the long run your ballot has value when it is backed up by a bullet. No government deserves your trust if it will not trust the common people to be armed. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 9:10:08 PM |
History is pretty clear. From Aristotle's era to modern times, disarmed peoples have eventually lost their liberty. Few governments can indefinitely resist the temptation to seize illegitimate power. In the long run your ballot has value when it is backed up by a bullet. No government deserves your trust if it will not trust the common people to be armed.
This is not what gun control constitutes. You speak of control and gun bans as if they are one in the same. They are not. Your government sought to control Stinger missiles correct? And how many crimes do you have using those missiles per year? But those that democratically (or as close to democratically as republic can get) are seen to have need or valid justification for having such arms still have them. Yes I know an extreme comparison but the effect is the same.
Gun control does not eliminate guns in the hands of criminals but inarguably it lessens the number of criminals with easy access to guns, unfortunately there can be a burn in period when many illict arms work their way out of circulation. It takes adequate steps to verify that the person buying arms is a stable law abiding citizen and severely penalizes dealers that ignore or are not diligent in those checks.
So THE PEOPLE aren't disarmed, but the criminals and unstable have LESSER access to arms. <<<< How is that bad unless you are planning a rebellion for tomorrow and have figured out a way to use the crooks as the initial cannon fodder? | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 11:36:50 AM | The recent Supreme Court decision on gun control in our nations capital was right on target.Washington`s 32 year old ban on handguns also required that all other legal fire-arms be kept unloaded and either diassembled or under trigger lock.A total of six residents challenged the law,responding that they wanted fire-arms available in their homes for self defense.
By a 5-4 decision ,the court rejected the ridiculous claim that the Second Amendment protects only a states right to maintain a militia-generally interpreted to mean a unit of the National Guard,in uniform and under orders from the central goverment.What the Amendment actually says is....."The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"...........any thinking person would interpret this to mean" we`uns and you`uns",not just good old Uncle Sugar.
Again.................the Court got it right............................ | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 11:47:52 AM | | If we outlaw guns, the criminal will still get them, fact. Gun owning law abiding citizens are just that, gun owning law abiding citizens. Duh! This gun debate is so lame. | |
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