"Guns don't kill, people do"

Mexican Drug Wars are No Excuse for Restricting American 2nd Amendment Rights!

DHS Proposes U.S. Gun Laws to Fight Mexican Drug Cartel Violence
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-proposes-us-gun-laws-to-fight-mexican-drug-cartel-violence/

Roger Rufe, Homeland Security’s head of operations, wants to further erode the Second Amendment. Rufe told lawmakers more restrictive gun control and law enforcement may be needed in the Southwest United States in response to the drug war in Mexico, according to the Associated Press.

Democrats joined the chorus rallying against the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

In order to solve the problem of violence associated with the drug cartel war in Mexico, Rep. John Tierney (D-Mass) said during a House subcommittee hearing on Thursday that the government should think about imposing further restrictions on the Second Amendment.

“Let’s examine our gun laws, let’s cut down on U.S. drug consumption, let’s ask there to be more resources to root out drug money laundering,” said Tierney.

Instead, we should examine the role of the U.S. government in the illegal drug trade.

As former DEA agent Cele Castillo has told Alex Jones on numerous occasions, the DEA and CIA are intimately involved in drug smuggling. Castillo has “personally witnessed CIA drug smuggling operations funneled through terrorists that were also involved in kidnappings and the training of death squads on behalf of the U.S. government,” writes Michael Webster for the American Chronicle.

Evidence of this surfaced on September 24, 2008, when a Grumman Gulfstream II jet crashed near Cancun, Mexico with 4 tons of cocaine onboard. The plane had the same registration number as a CIA transport plane used to ferry prisoners to Guantanamo Bay between 2003 and 2005.

So important are illicit drug profits for Wall Street and the banksters, Richard Grasso, Chairman of the New York Stock Exchange, to flew to Colombia in 1999 to meet with a spokesperson for Raul Reyes of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia (FARC), the supposed “narco terrorists.”

It was explained at the time that Grasso was dispatched “to bring a message of cooperation from U.S. financial services” and discuss foreign investment and the future role of U.S. businesses in Colombia.

In fact, as a Wall Street mob boss, Grasso was talking with the Marxist FARC in order to keep to the circulation of cocaine bucks surging through Wall Street financial institutions.

If Rep. John Tierney was sincerely interested in ending drug money laundering, he would take his investigation to Wall Street. Of course, if he did that, he would likely be the victim of an unfortunate accident.

But then the idea here is not to put an end to the lucrative Mexican drug business.

Instead, it is a cynical effort to contrive yet another excuse to chip away at the Second Amendment and take guns away from law-abiding American citizens that have nothing to do with the problem-reaction-solution drug war in Mexico.

In other words, the problem is not illegal immigration or the bankster spawned drug cartel war in Mexico – the problem for the government and the global elite is the American people, their guns, and archaic belief in the Second Amendment and the Constitution.

The report quoted Mrs. Poplawski as saying her son, after being kicked out of the Marine Corps for assaulting his drill sergeant during basic training, had been "stockpiling guns and ammunition, buying and selling the weapons online, because he believed that as a result of the economic collapse, the police were no longer able to protect society."

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Learn to deal with it,....encourage any Gun Owner, to take a Firearms Safety Class,......

I don't understand why all these Conservative free market advocates can't seem to see that this drug war is just another version of Prohibition, and that the right way to deal with the traffic in drugs is to legalize it, regulate it (so that kids are protected), and tax it. When legitimate sellers can turn to legitimate authorities to enforce their legal contracts, they won't have to turn to thugs. With no market for thugs, the thugs will have to find some other work to do.

I agree with you along with many others. ~ But there seems to be this hard core 28% of the American people ~ that maintain "ideologies" that as firm as set concrete. ~

http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0210e.asp

John Stossel reported correctly in the October 22, 1999, edition of ABC’s 20/20 that despite the headlines, schoolyard killings are down 50 percent since 1992. Gun-rights advocates point out that crime began declining two years before the Brady and assault-weapon laws went into effect, because of increased imprisonment rates and improved prosecution.

Gun-control advocates look at guns only as a means to harm others even though they are more often used to prevent injury. According to a 1995 study entitled “Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun” by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, published by the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology at Northwestern University School of Law, law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year.

About half a million times a year, a citizen carrying a gun away from home uses it in self-defense.

Again, according to Kleck amd Gertz, “Citizens shoot and kill more criminals than police do every year [2,819 times versus 303].”

Moreover, as George Will pointed out in an article entitled “Are We a Nation of Cowards?” in the November 15, 1993, issue of Newsweek, while police have an error rate of 11 percent when it comes to the accidental shooting of innocent civilians, the armed citizens’ error rate is only 2 percent, making them five times safer than police.

Other studies give similar results. “Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,” by the Clinton administration’s Justice Department shows that between 1.5 and 3 million people in the United States use a firearm to defend themselves and others from criminals each year. A 1986 study by Hart Research Associates puts the upper limit at 3.2 million.

Those studies and others indicate that often the mere sight of a firearm discourages an attacker.

Criminologist John Lott from the University of Florida found that 98 percent of the time when people use guns defensively, simply brandishing a firearm is sufficient to cause a criminal to break off an attack. Lott also found that in less than 2 percent of the cases is the gun fired, and three-fourths of those are warning shots.

Like my ex father in law (a Regan appointee) ~ pointed out to me so clearly one time, ~ "There is no correlation between crime and a bad economy! " ??? Okay Sir! you win!

Crime is just the results of a bunch of mean and nasty people then! ~ That the way Ideology tends to work! ~ The direction to everything is a straight line, any consideration to the right or left ~ is off track and scoffed at.

As for myself ~ I feel the people must be armed to ensure our freedom ~ it's like "locks" they keep honest people honest!

Tuesday, April 07, 2009
By Jon Schmitz, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Federal agents yesterday sought records from a Wilkinsburg gun dealership where Richard Poplawski, the accused killer of three Pittsburgh police officers, is believed to have purchased guns.

A man who has described himself as the suspect's best friend told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette yesterday that Mr. Poplawski owned four guns and obtained them all legally at Braverman Arms Co., on Penn Avenue in Wilkinsburg, passing the required background checks.

He said Mr. Poplawski also had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, which is issued by the Allegheny County sheriff's office and involves what the sheriff's office calls an "extensive background investigation."

"I've seen it. He showed it to me. He said 'Eddie, get one of these,'" said the friend, Edward Perkovic.

Allegheny County Sheriff William Mullen could not be reached yesterday.

Mr. Perkovic said Mr. Poplawski ordered the AK-47 assault-style rifle that police believe was used in Saturday's shooting at GunBroker.com. By law, the Internet seller must deliver the weapon to a federally licensed dealer.

He said Mr. Poplawski had the rifle delivered to Braverman Arms and purchased it there. He also bought two pistols and a shotgun from the store's inventory, over a span Mr. Perkovic estimated at one year to 18 months.

"Every gun purchase he ever made was legal," Mr. Perkovic said. "How did he pass all those background checks? Who let him have these guns if technically, legally he wasn't allowed?"

Buddy Savage, owner of Braverman Arms, said agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were at the store yesterday seeking records of Mr. Poplawski's gun purchases.

Mr. Savage confirmed that Mr. Poplawski had bought guns there, but said he could not provide specifics. He said, though, that he did not know of the claim that Mr. Poplawski obtained the AK-47 there.

ATF spokesman John Hageman said the bureau "is assisting the police department in the investigation in tracking down where the weapons came from and how they got into the hands of the shooter."

Two aspects of Mr. Poplawski's past -- his discharge from the Marine Corps in 2005 and a protection-from-abuse order obtained by his girlfriend the same year -- would not necessarily preclude him for buying or possessing guns.

Mr. Poplawski's mother told police he was kicked out of the Marines during basic training for assaulting a drill sergeant.

Citing privacy laws, the Marine Corps refused to divulge whether Mr. Poplawski was given a dishonorable discharge, a severe penalty that would have made it illegal for him to buy or own guns or ammunition, or a less-severe type of discharge that did not carry such a prohibition.

"He enlisted and shipped to recruit training in 2005 and was discharged during training for a psychological disorder," said Marine 2nd Lt. Joshua Diddams.

The PFA order, obtained by Mr. Poplawski's former girlfriend in March 2005, expired 18 months later, in September 2006, court records indicated. While it was in effect, Mr. Poplawski was prohibited from possessing, transferring or acquiring weapons.

By ERIC SCHMITT,
Published: Sunday, October 30, 1994

A 26-year-old Colorado man carrying a Chinese-made semi-automatic rifle sprayed the north face of the White House with a score or more of bullets today, piercing both a window and the mansion's remaining aura of invincibility, but injuring no one.

It was the second uncontested attack on the executive mansion in less than six weeks, and it immediately raised anew questions about the safety of a President living not just in the midst of a major city, but barely 50 yards from its six-lane main street.

Secret Service officers pored over a Chevrolet pickup truck with Colorado plates that was parked near the White House and bore bumper stickers denouncing Attorney General Janet Reno and opposing gun control.

can kill far more people, with an ordinary Butcher Knife,.....than anyone can,..with any Firearm,...even if it has a 30 round clip.

How ?

Because my Butcher Knife,...NEVER,..runs out of Bullets,......its a "Silent Killer",.....
It make No Noise,...so as to garner immeadate attention....or responce.

Anyone,...could slip into a Nursing home, on the night shift, and kill dozens of sleeping people, without making a sound, or creating a disturbance, or raising an ALARM.

Once the "will to kill" has been acquired you now have a potentially dangerous person.

They now need one more thing ~ a reason ~ not a gun but a "reason" ~ and this reason only needs to make sense to them.

...the current actions taken by the government to shore up the economy are all destined to fail. The current bailouts will fill the pockets of those who support and control the state and do nothing but lead to continued unemployment and financial chaos in this country and the world. The coming financial chaos will lead to civil unrest on a huge scale. Those who have been living on the producers in this society have been led to believe (by the state) they are entitled to the property of others and will take whatever action they deem necessary to secure it.

Unfortunately, articles like the one posted in msg. 2467 gives many nuts a reason and a will! Circle now complete - the situation we have today!

Fourth, when the mass shooting does not fit the above profile, the state uses the incident to claim, as they did in the shooting this weekend in Pennsylvania, that the perpetrator feared the state was going to take his guns.

1968 Gun Control Act, a law taken almost word for word from the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938.

A gun is just the"way" to kill. ~ kind of like a remote control with one button ~~ "STOP"

1968 Gun Control Act, a law taken almost word for word from the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938.


A lie...............

The Nazi law of 1938 was an extention of the 1928 law.

by 1938 Hitler was in total control.

Should we disallow guns for people who are in treatment for depression or anxiety?

Whether Hitler was in control or not is irrelevant when it comes to a similarity of wording between those laws. Has anyone here personally compared them?

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO)............

"gun control" to be an aggressive cancer. JPFO has a cure, a way to destroy "gun control". JPFO has hard evidence that shows that the Nazi Weapons Law (March 18, 1938) is the source of the U.S Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA '68). Adolph Hitler signed the Nazi Weapons Law. The Gestapo (Nazi National Secret Police) enforced it....................

JPFO knows who implanted into American law cancerous ideas from the Nazi Weapons Law.

Thus, GCA '68 marked a new approach to "gun control". It replaced the Federal Firearms Act (June 30, 1938), which was based on the federal power to regulate interstate commerce. The 1938 law required firearms dealers to get a federal license (which then cost $1). Only dealers could ship firearms across state lines. Ordinary people could receive shipments from dealers.

In GCA '68 the government required that in almost all cases only dealers could send and receive firearms across state lines. This ended "mail order" sales of firearms by law abiding persons who are not licensed dealers. GCA '68 hits you even harder. Congress gave federal bureaucrats in Washington D.C., the power to decide what kinds of firearms you can own. The framers of GCA '68 borrowed an idea -- that certain firearms are "hunting weapons" -- from the Nazi Weapons Law (Section 21 and Section 32 of the Regulations, page 61 and page 73, respectively, of "Gun Control": Gateway to Tyranny). The equivalent U.S. term, "sporting purpose," was used to classify firearms. But it was not defined anywhere in GCA '68. Thus, bureaucrats were empowered to ban whole classes of firearms. They have, in fact, done so.

Given the parallels between the Nazi Weapons Law and the GCA '68,...........

we concluded that the framers of the GCA '68 -- lacking any basis in American law to sharply cut back the civil rights of law abiding Americans -- drew on the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/860211/posts

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/commentary.htm

JPFO has been working diligently on a pioneering film to expose the racist roots of “gun control” pushed by the Obama team. Entitled

No Guns for Negroes

A devastating analysis of why Black community leaders: politicians, police, attorneys, media
figures – even ministers – are constantly pimping for White liberals to keep Blacks and all
other Americans down on the “Gun Control Plantation.”

Given the parallels between the Nazi Weapons Law and the GCA '68,...........

we concluded that the framers of the GCA '68 -- lacking any basis in American law to sharply cut back the civil rights of law abiding Americans -- drew on the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938.