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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 2/3/2008 9:35:09 PM | Hi all,
first of all this is not reply, I just could not able to find the post.
When I read the topic actually I had a difficulty to understand the word 'dead'?
Hip hop is gonna die?))) I do not think so. if you look at the past and now how many genres would you say is dead?? Dead is used for losing popularity? I guess that is what the forum is all about.
Therefore, if there would be 1 person who will be listening hip hop after ........ years that means it's not dead. you never know! I believe, it will survive by evolving in itself and will give ideas and births to new genres.
It would be like the disco music. Now it has lots of, lots of branches house/trance/psyhdelic/progressive/tribal etc... thats why goldfingers, eurythmics songs are remixed today and all the questions asked with love actually are hidden in their roots which is the birth ( first breath) I guess.
Well, that became another topic but I guess that's what the forums are all about:)))
Peace! | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 2/5/2008 10:22:24 PM | Parhaps you mean hiphop is becoming terible. Almost all popular hiphop is JUNK!
It's mostly controled by capitalist white guy in suits who buy out lazy artists and produce crap that sells only because most people are sheep.
tehe. That being said, INDY HIPHOP ROCKS! check out local groups who rap becase they love to rap. In vancouver we have Imaginations Tree Trunk and Language Arts.... For more popular Goood HipHop look up:
Saul Williams
Buck65
Blackalicoius
alias
Prefuse
And look into UK GRIME for the dirty nasty goodness that's way better that US rap. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 2/9/2008 10:30:00 AM | Hate to burst your bubbles but hip hop will never die. Hip hop is the ONLY genre in history to actually cross over all racial and social lines. Country is mainly listened to by whites as is heavy metal but rap is listen to by ALL races and social status.
Rap or R&B may die but the "religion" of hip hop is here to stay and yes I call it a religion, it fits all of the characteristics. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 2/9/2008 10:38:45 AM |
Hip hop is the ONLY genre in history to actually cross over all racial and social lines.
Apparently you've never heard of rock and roll. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 2/9/2008 10:48:49 AM | Sorry I forgot to add the word "influence" all racial and social lines.
Rock n Roll was different. The culture of R&R changed when it crossed lines. Heck they even took black artist and put white artist on the record covers to make it acceptable in the white community at the time.. Hip hop managed to cross the line while keeping the same culture and accepted by all fans w/o compromising the genre. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 2/9/2008 10:55:48 AM |
... accepted by all fans w/o compromising the genre.
Yeah, that was in a different time frame in the United States though. The culture of the nation was different. Interracial marriage was frowned upon at that time also. I think if rock and roll would have started 50 years later, Ritchie Valens would never have had to change his name from Ricardo Valenzuela in order to be able to sell songs to white kids. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 2/9/2008 12:56:05 PM |
. I think if rock and roll would have started 50 years later, Ritchie Valens would never have had to change his name from Ricardo Valenzuela in order to be able to sell songs to white kids.
You're right but although it's two different eras, but that window for rock and roll to spread across all cultures has long passed. It's not neccessarily fair that I compare the two b/c of what was going on at the time but that's just the way it is. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 2/9/2008 5:33:55 PM | | IMO today's hip-hop isn't as good as the 90s hip-hop, but I don't think hip-hop will become extinct. There are a lot of young people who listen to it. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 2/10/2008 1:45:17 PM | Didn't read all the posts in the thread, so apologies if some of this has been covered before...
Personally, I used to hate, and I really mean *hate* hip hop. Then I stumbled upon the alternative scene coming (mostly) out of Chicago. Want some hip hop with substance? Try Lupe Fiasco ("Little Weapon" springs most immediately to mind), Talib Kweli ("Get By" or "Broken Glass" for example) or pretty much anything by Common. They seem to have more to say than a lot of the rockers that are getting radio play these days.
And as for rockers not stooping so low to hawk wares... Did you not have a TV a few years back when Aerosmith's "Just Push Play" was popping up in Dodge tuck commercials? It happens in every genre, man. So I guess it could be argued that rappers move on to other business ventures 'cause hip hop isn't a "legitimate" career, but by the same token, it could be said certain rock and roll bands (Rolling Stones anyone?) should learn to call it a day instead of milking their careers for every last ounce of fame (and dignity). I think it all boils down to passion. Some acts acheive the goals they set out to achieve, or lose their passion for making music, or find a new passion to pursue, so they move on to other things. Please don't tell me you've worked the same job your whole life (like the Clash said, "a lifetime serving one machine is ten times worse than prison"). | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 2/11/2008 1:44:50 AM | i'm tired of fucckin overly militant possesive people talking about how hip hop is dead... im not gonna lie... it sure as hell isn't up to par now a days but it is far from dead... i.e. dude above me talking about lupe, talib, and common... even though these guys themselves are pretty much the ad boys for what used to be a bit more obscure and below radar "backpack rap"... but hey... im not gonna complain... and just because something doesn't happen to have the most brainy verses or doesn't speak on the issues in iraq or darfur doesn't make it NOT hip hop... or BAD hip hop... or undeserving of the name hip hop... when the fucck did the definition for hip hop turn into this radical picket sign waving dealy-oh? lolz... it's our voice... its' a generations voice... its a peoples voice... and as far as im concerned... its the only thing that unites us by more than just skin tone, origin, age, gender, etc....
stop bitcching people... if you think its dead... drop a couple of bills and hit the studio and resurrect that shiet
<3 Iza! | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 2/21/2008 11:01:33 AM | | Like with everyone else has said. Majority of mainstream hip hop isn't good.. Personally, I prefer Aesop Rock or Cannibal Ox and some local stuff (Seattle, Washington) like Gabriel Teodros and Common Market. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/21/2008 1:54:06 PM | | Hip Hop unlike punk...will never die. It constantly evolves. The beats, the lyrics, the beef. There is a story behind a rapper and what's current in their life. Lil Wayne is the perfect example. Started off as tween rapper....more than 10 yrs later, he's the best rapper alive. Were as rock and metal which I love also, the older the bands get, the worse they usually get. Look at Metallica, Pantera, Stone Temple Pilots. All their early releases are the great . Now look it them. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2008 9:55:39 PM | I think that Rap music will never truly die out but rather transform over time. Having said that, I will never honestly appreciate it as much as any other form of music because Rap does'nt have any real musicians that actually play instuments. When all you do is download automated drum sounds and bass beats you limit yourself as a musician. That is why today all Rap sounds the same.
Maybe I have a biased opinion having played guitar for the last twenty years but I think any musician will tell you that learning to play an instument has vast advantages to unlocking your creative side as a musician. Rap samplers only have so much to work with in their palette. A true musician who plays an instument has endless amounts only limited to their imagination.
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/25/2008 1:52:27 PM | Not dead.. but definitely not the 90's anymore! Theres a few heads still keepin it fresh!
And they aren't on MTV or BET... haha. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 9:40:26 PM | Hip hop is a genre and is here to stay. It will evolve and change as any other one, but no it will not die. Why should die? A true reflection of urban culture.
If heavy metal hasn't expired, why would hip hop? | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/31/2008 10:32:39 PM | No the resurgence of Hip Hop and other musical generes that have been **stardized by profit seeking "suits" will happen with the growth of Internet downloads. I no longer have to go to the local music retailer to buy the music that the large distributors want me to purchase. I can purchase music from the smaller groups directly or via outfits that give more profit back to the artist.
The RIAA has been trying to thwart this for years but weakening power that music distributors have is evident. Their importance is distributing music to the masses is all but gone so now their only hope is to maintain a lock on public radio and television. Once people begin to look to the Internet as their primary source for scouring and finding new talent the end will come swiftly for the music gestapo.
Hip Hop is merely on hiatus. We must always remember that Hip Hop != America. It is now a global affair that cannot be looked at with ethnocentricism.
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/1/2008 8:47:30 PM | when was the last time you saw a tone loc tribute band
or run dmc tribute band......etc?????
You don't .....you know why?
because it is a novelty
There's some truth that hip hop is more about what's new and less about what's established, but you also have to take into consideration that hip hop is generally not something that is performed live so much as recorded and played. The nature of the scene is just completely different from rock.
Guys like Snoop Dogg and Nelly are certified superstars. They're filthy rich and international celebrities. Yet when they tour, they generally play small venues to crowds of no more than 3,000 or so. Why? Because there isn't much of a demand for live hip hop. The demand is on records being played in clubs. This is also why hip hop acts don't tour nearly as much as rock bands.
So if there is little demand for the artists' live performances, what kind of sense would it make to have a cover band?
Hip Hop unlike punk...will never die. It constantly evolves. The beats, the lyrics, the beef. There is a story behind a rapper and what's current in their life. Lil Wayne is the perfect example. Started off as tween rapper....more than 10 yrs later, he's the best rapper alive. Were as rock and metal which I love also, the older the bands get, the worse they usually get. Look at Metallica, Pantera, Stone Temple Pilots. All their early releases are the great . Now look it them.
I agree about Metallica, Pantera, and STP, but how in the world does an average mainstream rapper like Lil' Wayne hold a candle lyrically to the likes of Del the Funky Homosapien or Chuck D? How does he hold a candle talent-wise to the likes of Bone Thugs or Twista? How does he hold a candle creatively to the likes of Outkast? How does he hold a candle in terms of originality to someone like Eminem?
I just don't see it.
As for punk, if it died, it killed itself because its fans wouldn't let it evolve. There were bands that tried to help it evolve, though. Look at the Refused.
Rap does'nt have any real musicians that actually play instuments.
That's true most of the time. But there are also actual hip hop bands out there like the Roots that have full time guitarists, bass players, and drummers.
And Obsidian, good post. That's an interesting take on it.
Personally, I think hip hop is a genre that's ripe for the taking. Because so much focus does seem to be put on sticking to whatever's popular and so few people really do anything different with it, that leaves a whole wealth of possibilities of ways to completely revolutionize it as a genre.
Coming from a rock and metal background, I've got a billion ways in my head I could change up the hip hop genre and create a world of new subgenres within it that to my knowledge nobody has significantly experimented with yet. I think there's still a lot of cool stuff that can be done with it as a genre. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/2/2008 6:54:43 PM |
Hip Hop unlike punk...will never die.
Hip Hop will never die.
Punk will never die.
Jazz will never die.
No music genre ever dies.
There are constantly new artists experimenting with "new" sounds, and more often than not, there are clearly elements of a seemingly "dead" music genre.
Remember Jazz Fusion? That's pretty much a summary of what all music is and will be. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/4/2008 12:02:35 AM | hip hop is here and 4 ever..will never be forgottin.and will b writin in the history of music,passed down from generations ,
and it should never die becasue it is the voice of people, speaking out,,,bring the freedom of speach to a hole nother level
the voice of people with mind body and soul | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/10/2008 2:15:03 AM | Isnt all music the "voice of people"? Which "people" do you mean? My voice is definitely hip hop even though I do listen to a little of it. Just cause you say a metaphor doesn't make it true or even an argument.
And back on topic, as long as a record, tape, cd, computer file, video or any other type of media that can carry music is around of any genre, artist, group, etc. is around, they will not die. Someone will listen to it, it may not be the most popular thing ever, but It won't be dead. Look at Vanilla Ice, William Hung, William Shatner, Shaq and all the other artists that by someone's opinion should be "dead", Somehow they are not. The music is still there. That is music, music in general will never die, whether you love the music or despise the music its here forever. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/10/2008 1:48:54 PM | | God forbid hip-hop ever speaks for me or becomes "my voice." If it ever should (and believe me it won't), cut out my vocal chords with a rusty nail and render me mute!!!! | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/10/2008 2:08:24 PM | Hip Hop is more than music. It's a movement. The fact is, hip hop is going the way of all music as it becomes commercially viable. Record execs and so-called music experts select what is likely to sell more records. Sex, drugs, misogyny, violence and excess sell. It's an image, not an art form that is peddled on mainstream radio.
The same can be said for the various cycles of rock. Honestly, I have been a big fan of rick from Zeppelin to Hendrix through the alternative trend UNTIL the past few years. Seems to me it's watered down too. Most music is targeted towards teens now who have the musical taste of a narcoleptic monkey, which is why the bigger hits of the past year include Soulja Boy and anything by an American Idol.
But I digress... Hip Hop has splintered into two segments. Rap and Hip Hop. Within these groups you have various styles, of varying degrees of artistic value. Personally, I think southern stuff (with the notable exception of Outkast) is loaded with garbage. West Coast hip hop (rap) is shit these days. But there are bright spots.
Common, Talib Kweli, Common, Mos Def and Nas are marginally successful commerical hip hop artists. Newcomers like Jay Electronica are making waves. As the quality of the music declines, it will create a vacuum, and there will be a renaissance, much like there was in the early 2000's.
Oh, and I just went to Rock the Bells in San Bernadino a month ago, and let me tell you... There were no "rap" artists. Straight hip hop (with the exception of crappy ass Black Eyed Peas). And it was packed. Tens of thousands of people in the middle of the hot Inland California sun. If hip hop is dying, I couldn't tell... | |
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