| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/17/2009 11:14:51 AM | | Top 10/ Top 40 is NOT Hip-Hop, it's corporately funded Hip-POP. The culture that is Hip-Hop still lives and will continue living forever, I'd say it's in it's purest form on the underground level. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/19/2009 5:46:03 AM | For me hip hop died towards the second half of the 90s...When Puffy started in with the shiny suits things never really recovered  | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/19/2009 8:07:20 PM | Here is something interesting to think about.
If you look at how the large majority of electronica (Trance, House, Hardcore, DnB,) is produced, and compare it to a standard Top 40 Hip Hop song, they are almost exactly similar.
Yet, if you were to walk into your local club, and switch out the set list from the Hip Hop/Top 40 to an Electronica one, you would most likely have a small riot on your hands!
Why is that? Is it the topics of the lyrics? Is it the style of the beat? Is it the version of the computer sampler they used to make the songs different?
Hmm. Just something interesting to think about. | |
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Msg: 454 | |
| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/23/2009 10:15:30 AM | just gotta look around.
radio and most shit on mtv is just a hip hop brain washing tool.
a money machine for the company pushers.
to tell ya the truth, i like it this way.
there is a lot of folks out there still keepin it real. | |
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Joined: 12/31/2008
Msg: 455 | |
| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/23/2009 10:25:48 AM | ''true hip hop is dead..whats left is the club/radio songs that the girls will buy..lil wayne, soulja boy, t-pain..real artists aren't even making real music anymore because theres no market for it.''
buzzzer* WRONG.
true hip hop is not dead, just underground where it needs to be.
no market for it? they have a market with me, i know im not alone.
if your not in it for the love i DONT listen to u.
not every hip hop group is in it because theres a market for it.
im talkin bout the kats that pay for recording time and pay for there own shit.
theres still labels out there that are for the artist and not the bucks.
u just have to find them.
and to thos wishing hip hop would go away, or just pushing your punk/metal/whatever what are u doing here? shits not made for u get over it.
im not trashing your taste because odds are i like it too, but i dont hate u because u like different things.  | |
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Joined: 12/31/2008
Msg: 456 | |
| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/23/2009 10:41:28 AM | aarrrrgggg, this thread is pissing me off. most of u are brainwashed on the talent it takes to do this.
live hip hop bands? YES they do exist. more of a jazz format tho, or a mixture of turntablizm and djs. turn tables ARE MUSICAL INSTRAMENTS.
if u dont believe me then try it, its not as easy as u think.
try out some of this for hip hop bands, "the roots" or "jazz poets society"
sorry for the angry msgs this will be my last one i just cant believe how brainwashed some of u folks are.
jps - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAWfSVTBWUM
Roots - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnevMn60Unk | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/23/2009 12:21:31 PM | | Too me rap is poetry put to music. So I love rap, but only if they can do it. Newer rappers and rap on the radio is garbage. I like underground rappers like Canibus and rap groups like Bone Thugs in Harmony because of their fast vocal delivery. I like older stuff like Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, Ice cube, N.W.A., Public Enemy, Cypress Hill...ect for their profound word play and some of the messages in their music. The rap you hear on the radio or that lil wayne stuff is all garbage to me. True rap is art. | |
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Joined: 12/31/2008
Msg: 458 | |
| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/24/2009 12:46:28 AM | not to kill your point because i agree with u but,...
all the rappers u have listed are in no way, shape, or form "underground".
also, they speak of drugs ****es and hoes, money, and just hating cops in general. product of your envirment i guess.
u just named a bunch of older MAINSTREAM rap.
not that its bad, the only bad thing is when the labels get there way with someones style. they dictate what should be said and what shouldnt to apease your normal everyday brain washed rap fan. everyone has there price i guess. its hard for me to sit here and dis pop rap because thats a lot of money. its all part of the hustle.
but to the folks that hate the "i got rims, cash , and ****" jocks,
theres other stuff out there,
other stuff that might change your mind about hip hop.
other stuff that is worth a listen.
dont let the big music companys make your mind up for u.  | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/25/2009 5:49:46 PM | | Hip Hop is far from dead... trust me on this. Saying Hip Hop is dead is like saying the season Spring is dead. Spring feels totally different to me now than it did when I was a kid, but it hasn't change to the point where I'd go on record and say. "Spring doesn't even exist anymore" Everything changes with time. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/25/2009 10:09:52 PM | I loved Hip Hop as a kid. But got sick of it in the last few years. It is pretty much killing itself right now but it's a good thing for me now that it's "commercial" Era is pretty much done I am starting to find some really talented "Underground" Artist's. No More Soulja Boy and Lil Wayne  | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/25/2009 10:23:22 PM | | I'm down with that. soulja boy and lil wayne have killed hip hop. Rap used to be about poetic lyrics now it's all these songs that have nothing but a chorus and some very short wack verses and new rap songs always feature a guest in almost every song. -Dre | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/25/2009 11:08:22 PM | Aesop Rock
Immortal Technique
Atmosphere
Binary Star
Del
Not dead. I'm by no means a hip hop scholar, but I know there is good shit out there if you don't look at the Top 40 crap. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/27/2009 11:08:42 AM | So a few people on here know what their talking about while others are completely out to lunch...
Let's Remember Hip Hop is a culture way before there was ever a music... B-Boying (Break-dancing but B-Boys & B-Girls hate that term)... Graffiti Art (& I'm not talking about those one colour tags you see on buses & crap)... DJ or Turtablism... Finally Emceeing...
Some have stated Hip Hop has been around for over 20 yrs... For the record Hip Hop started back in 1971 when DJ Kool Herc started messing around with turntables... His first show was in 1974 on Sedgewick Ave in the Bronx (Considered the birthplace of Hip Hop)... Back than there was no rap or hip hop music but the idea was that all the funk songs of that era had a break (a point in the song that everybody liked to dance to)... The idea was to take 2 of the same records & continue to spin the break continuously so that people could dance to it... Back than there was no such thing as mixers with crossfaders to do this so they had to invent it themselves... That's right if it wasn't for these pioneers, DJ'n as we know it today would not exist no matter what music you like listening too...
So the question of will Hip Hop die or is it dead? The Culture will never die, but the music is on life support & it's been on life support since the about 1996... Don't get me wrong there are always a few artists out there that are still making some great hip hop, but those artists never see the light of day of getting their music out to the masses...
I will say this real Hip Hoppers are probably the most knowledgeable music heads out there because we cross some many genres of music... I loved Hip Hop for that reason, it opened me up to Funk, to Jazz, to Soul, to Rock... Yes Hip Hop producers do sample but the idea was to do something different with the sample & the greats were exceptional at this...
Like Chris Rock said back in the days it was easy to defend Hip Hop, but today it's damn near impossible cause what people consider Hip Hop today is actually trash & goes against the grain of what it is supposed to be about... Don't blame the artists though, blame the listeners... We're the ones requesting crap & buying crap...
A Tribe Called Quest
Pete Rock & CL Smooth
Gangstarr
De La Soul
Eric B & Rakim
KRS-ONE
J.Dilla (R.I.P) (Slum Village)
EPMD
Mos Def & Talib Kweli
Diamond D
O.C
Run DMC
Those are considered examples of GOOD Hip Hop music | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 3/27/2009 3:06:08 PM | | Great post soul, thats pretty unbiased for a hh fan! When I mentioned sampling, I was really saying I missed it, because it added so much variance and color, especially old jazz vinyl... | |
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Posted: 4/5/2009 8:31:21 PM | | Damn I remember all the gangsta wanna be's in high school over 10 years ago, I thought this rap crap "its kewl to be gangsta" crap would have been gone by now, and something else would pollute the airwaves and make teenagers act like idiots. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2009 8:58:14 PM | Aesop Rock, Immortal Technique and their fans are doing far more bad for hip hop than something like Soulja Boy.
Get that backpack shit out of here. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2009 10:26:29 PM | I would honestly say I think hip hop should have died when Notorious B.I.G. and Tupac did.
Those were the only rappers I've heard in the past who I would actually still enjoy listening to today. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 4/6/2009 7:03:08 AM | If it is not dead yet I would be more than willing to help it along.
Hip Hop and its various sub genres has taken music out of music and with it has taken soul along with it.
In its original form Rap was clever, fresh and involved actual music. I am talking back in the Sugarhill Gang days. When Rap songs were truly stories or poetry to to a discernible musical framework. The rhythms were refreshing and engaging as was the music that went along with it. Todays Hip Hop/Rap is recycled, mass produced disposable crap with offensive and socially denigrating lyrics and themes. Promoting the concepts of material goods, drugs, cash and women is not what impressionable kids need to be listening to. This music is not about social rebellion grown out of a life on the streets. Most of the kids that listen to this crap are suburban white kids. They want to embrace this so called thug life/gangsta wannabe scenario. I have worked hard my entire life to make sure my son grew up in a nice suburban area with appropriate life goals. Do I really need to have all of this subverted by this trash and anger mongering that is being passed off as music?
Any idiot with a computer can make a passable Rap song that does not sound too much different than what is played on the radio. My Son, an 18 year old white kid, makes surprisingly "good" tracks all the time. we he first started playing them for me I was surprised that it was really him. so these Rap "artists" out there are really nothing more than marketing tools for studio created "music". I highly doubt the vast majority of these "artists" have a creative bone in their body. How hard is it to sample a previous hit song and make some minor changes? Not very........
Rap/Hip Hop is creating a musical void in musical history. Today's commercials are filled with music from the 70's and 80's. Music that is alive and vibrant and still relevant today by artists that are still making music to this day. Do you really see advertisers playing this crap 30 - 40 years from today? The life span of the average Rap/Hip Hop song seems to be a week or two until the next studio produced piece of crap comes out. Not a good lifespan.
I don't even want to comment on the Hip Hop "culture". If ever there was an oxymoron this is where it lives. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2009 10:59:44 PM | | There's a lot of clever and creative hip hop out there. When the slaughterhouse album comes out it'll probably sell 10 copies but be one of the top 5 albums of the decade. Period. Not hip hop. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 4/8/2009 2:33:13 PM | It's a fade that will faze out in time. Remember when latin was hot for a while then just died, that's what will happen to hip hop. It isn't world wide at all as many think it is. No one can stand such hate and disrespect in many countries. The "lingo" is uneducated and in a type of babble that is actually embarrassing to humans around the globe. It's the same lyrics by different hip hoppers, it gets boring after awhile.
hang in there, it'll be gone soon enough.
If you want to debate this, if hip hop is popular why doesn't the Prez speak of it, or any other person in power or religious person speak in hip hop? It's babble and uneducated. Also it teaches a generation of young children to die just to get rich while disrespecting women, family, the law makers/officers, teachers and even their own friends instead of working hard to reach their goals the right way. | |
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Joined: 12/31/2008
Msg: 471 | |
| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 4/11/2009 12:21:54 PM |
''Todays Hip Hop/Rap is recycled, mass produced disposable crap with offensive and socially denigrating lyrics and themes. Promoting the concepts of material goods, drugs, cash and women is not what impressionable kids need to be listening to. This music is not about social rebellion grown out of a life on the streets. Most of the kids that listen to this crap are suburban white kids. They want to embrace this so called thug life/gangsta wannabe scenario.''
a lot of todays hip hop/rap is NOT on the top 40, its not on mtv, nor the radio. there are wanna bes everywhere. your just lopping off a huge stereo type that the ONLY people buying this shit are suburbian white kids. if this was the case the new rap/hiphop u get today would not be as profitable. more then that buy this stuff.
when u get down to it, kids buy what u give them. most of what they hear is the radio. So, in turn, thats what they go out and get. u gotta dig a little deeper for the good stuff.
''Any idiot with a computer can make a passable Rap song that does not sound too much different than what is played on the radio. My Son, an 18 year old white kid, makes surprisingly "good" tracks all the time. we he first started playing them for me I was surprised that it was really him. so these Rap "artists" out there are really nothing more than marketing tools for studio created "music". I highly doubt the vast majority of these "artists" have a creative bone in their body. How hard is it to sample a previous hit song and make some minor changes? Not very........''
maybe your kid is GOOD AT IT. in a way your calling your son an idiot. there are people out there that just get it. also, a lot of these "rap artist" never make there own beats. the record label takes care of that. u can sample all day and make a beat but there is a difference between good beats that someone would buy and shit ones no one would touch. everything seems more simple from the outside looking in. shits like golf, looks easy and effortless but in reality far from the truth. so what is "passable" to you the next guy would laugh at.
most samples are seen as a respect or a homage to the previous folks that "pathed the way" in a sort. lets face it, good music is good music. truly good music will last a lifetime while the crap will fade out in about "2 weeks."
not hating on you, just debating man.
ladybobina
It's a fade that will faze out in time. Remember when latin was hot for a while then just died, that's what will happen to hip hop. It isn't world wide at all as many think it is. No one can stand such hate and disrespect in many countries. The "lingo" is uneducated and in a type of babble that is actually embarrassing to humans around the globe. It's the same lyrics by different hip hoppers, it gets boring after awhile.
hang in there, it'll be gone soon enough.
If you want to debate this, if hip hop is popular why doesn't the Prez speak of it, or any other person in power or religious person speak in hip hop? It's babble and uneducated. Also it teaches a generation of young children to die just to get rich while disrespecting women, family, the law makers/officers, teachers and even their own friends instead of working hard to reach their goals the right way.''
crazy woman. hip hop is DEAD to u. there is also uk hip hop, aussie hip hop, spanish hip hop, i mean this shit is all over and hardly an "embarrassment". its not made for u so its not that hard to understand why u dont like it. who am i to tell u what to like?
lets talk about uneducated speech.
people fear what they dont understand. ebonix, is like any thing, people just talk different, what about hillbilly talk? honkey tonk badonk-i-donk? ring a bell? do u see the president saying that? or relgious leaders? how bout london? they speak in a different manner, as does EVERY other country out there.
who abreaveate president? If you do then the proper way is "Pres." i believe there is no Z for the love of God. the only one looking uneducated are you and your blindsided, ignorant, statements.
remember people, the world said the same thing about the beatles. what happend with that devil music? | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 7/27/2009 1:36:06 PM | Hip hop will never die, if it's not on the radio, it'll be on the street.
If hip hop is street poetry, it will never die. But keep it on the street or in books or something. Why do I have to hear it wherever I go? Waaaaaay overdone, redundant and irrelevant to people like me who don't relate to it. I wish someone would put it out of my misery.
What I don't understand is this: Not too long ago, women were fighting for equal rights and respect for more than what's between their legs. Why do the young women of today like to hear about what sex objects the are? I guess now that their mothers, grandmothers, and greatgrandmothers have done most of the hard work for them, they figure they can take it for granted now. It's kind of like evolution in reverse. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 7/29/2009 9:39:01 AM | | i used to not like mainstream hip-hop/top 40, but a lot of it grew on me when I moved to LA. Mainstream hip-hop is cool where it's upbeat and good for clubs/bars. I feel that the music that I listen to, is diverse like the art I do. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 7/31/2009 2:45:17 AM | Hip Hop isn't dead... it never existed... it's all in the minds!
Blah the new hip hop crap sucks... Soulja Boy, LMFAO...
And all this jerkin stuff too... first it was the hyphy movement... then that chicken noodle soup craze... then the soulja boy... and now jerkin? Man... seriously? Flavors of the month or what? | |
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