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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 7/31/2009 8:34:13 PM | | Rap and hip hop should have died ages ago, as a real musician with talent, I am getting fed up with all these talentless asshats stealing the limelight from hardworking bands and solo artists who create songs with meaning instead of blurting out a bunch of tripe about how we think we are cool for driving Escalades with shiney rims and banging hoes to the same beat and a bunch of random crap in the background. Just like DJ's, people who act like rappers are musicians need to be kicked in the teeth, anything to do with dance music, rap or hip hop is not music in the slightest, it's a bunch of non lyrical garbage. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 12:55:01 PM |
anything to do with dance music, rap or hip hop is not music in the slightest, it's a bunch of non lyrical garbage. A serious musician wouldnt make a post with such ignorance. A serious musician would KNOW that "dance music" has been a large part of Jazz and Rock n Roll from their inception. If I were to use the ignorance of that post as an indicator, I'd say its safe to say that the "talent" you claim as a "real musician" is certainly at question moreso than the lyrics of the very worst Hip Hop, pop, C&W, or Rock song. As far as non lyrical is concerned....European classical music and often Jazz are non lyrical. If by non lyrical garbage you simply refer to music which lacks lyrical content of substance,that is certainly subjective nonetheless, there are a plethora of C&W, Bluegrass, Folk and Rock songs without substanative lyrical meaning nor sense. There are in fact a plethora of Hip Hop songs with extremely thought provoking lyrical content. Simply because you are ignorant of these facts does not deminish the fact.
This thread has undergone a name change/modification and yet still continues. Is it me, or should this thread be dead? | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 1:17:53 PM | The true test of any music is longevity. Quality music will stay around while lesser pieces and genres will fade away into oblivion.
Notice now that the music that backs television advertising right now is primarily 70's and 80's. Music that has been around for 20 to 30 years is driving advertising. Classic music with familiar beats and rhythms.
I highly doubt that 20 to 30 years from now it will be Soulja Boy and peers providing the impetus for advertising.
Most current Hip Hop and Rap songs have a life span of a few weeks and then they fade away. If they do not have any longevity when they are new and fresh, what will make them memorable years from now?
A serious musician wouldnt make a post with such ignorance.
Yes, a serious would make such a post and it would be accurate. Where is the musical talent in most of today's hip hop music? The beat and most sound is computer generated. No musicians needed. All you need is someone with some moderate computer skills and some samples and you have the foundation for most "songs". Then apply some third grade rhyming words and repeat ad nauseum and you have what passes for today's music. I won't even comment on the socially irresponsible lyrical content of this so called music.
Alternately, look at real music that has layers of real instruments and vocals blended together. Songs that have vocal harmonies that blend with the instruments like another piece of the band.
I'm sorry, but I like my music created and played by people with real musical skills and abilities and not some computer jockey that is stealing beats and riffs from classic rock songs.
Time for Hip Hop to die...... | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/27/2009 1:38:35 PM | Is HIP HOP
going to go away soon?
thoughts?
Please yes! Let it please die already! Horrible, horrible...I don't want to call it music. Die!!!
Yes, a serious musician would make such a post and it would be accurate.
I have to agree. I've been a guitar player for 30 years and although Guitarist48 was a bit harsh, I think he's generally right in his observations. Rap and Hip Hop sucks ass and it's not real music. Just sayin'. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 6:07:46 PM |
Yes, a serious would make such a post and it would be accurate that is a opinion based upo what? Ignorance! Just because someone agrees means nothing more than the fact that ignornce is shared. Agai, a serous usician wouldt have made such an ignorant post. The post 's ignorance is not in the faact that the poster likes or dislikes the genre but rather the lack of substance and misinformaton contained in the post itself. I know of serious usicias wh wouldnt osider rock to be "real music"yet their reasoning of their argument is based upon substance rather than misinformation =ignorance.
The true test of any music is longevity Do you mean longevity of poularity? Hip Hops popularity has spanned 30 years!
It seems that not only are soe of the disenting post based upo ignorace but also they see to be stuck i foolish 90's commercialized stereotypes of Hip Hop. If you had a clue and some knowledge you'd kow of reowned Hip Hop groups like The Roots lyrics and instruentality are serious by critical acclaim.
Once more posters on this thread actually begin to become more informed this thread will die like the ignorance of the dissenters.  | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 7:25:11 PM | I stumbled across this thread and unfortunately, I actually read most of it. (taking an excedrin migraine).
I used to listen to rap back in junior high and high school only to finally grow some brain cells and realize how horrid and putrid it has become.
Old school rap is okay with me, albeit I didn't actually relate to what they were talking about, I could still feel their daily pain and struggles.
Today I consider rap/hip-hop as this:
"Dance music that you go to the bar to, find a woman to hang your nuts on all night, only to take her home, f^ck and rid her and never see her again" type of music. It's all gibberish and a bunch of terms that make no freakin sense whatsoever.
To me, IT IS dead!
I have always listened to rock my entire life. Zeppelin, Tom Petty, Pink Floyd, U2, Collective Soul, The Wallflowers, man I could list too many.
I like all genres except Rap/Hip-Hop & Country! (Except maybe Alan Jackson and Marc Chessnutt).
I am an avid Metal Head and still continue to listen to music with REAL elements, REAL talent, REAL production. Rap is a putrid pile of garbage that puts down women, kids, focus on spreading hate, violence, rape, drugs like a cancerous disease.
What happened to MTV? I remember in the 80's all it did was PLAY music videos. Now it's all about pathetic reality shows with pathetic music in the background? Someone needs to rid of MTV, VH1, and the such because it sets forth a plague targeting the younger generation, and we wonder why we have so many issues with urban kids nowadays.
Sorry if I come across as harsh to some, I am straightforward in my approach and I speak my opinions with honesty and from my perceptions/experiences.
Thanks for your time.
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/27/2009 8:06:10 PM | Well you can always hope it will, if you don't care for it.
However, as long as there are large,overpopulated cities that are continuosly flooded with drugs , there will be excessive poverty and crime for current/future hip-hoppers to write rhythmic poetry about.(I cannot refer to hip-hop/rap as music due to the fact that there is no music involved in the production of such noise, only electronic sounds, beats and sampling of some songs of other genre's,) | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 8:19:13 PM |
I am an avid Metal Head and still continue to listen to music with REAL elements, REAL talent, REAL production. Rap is a putrid pile of garbage that puts down women, kids, focus on spreading hate, violence, rape, drugs like a cancerous disease.
Lyrics from a randomly picked heavy metal "song";
Dust from bones dries out my throat
Blood fills my strangled lungs
Aiwass the angel of death awaits me
Possess my crooked corpse..... Oh.....
Possess my crooked corpse
Serpent, devil
Possess my crooked corpse
Demons, Satan
Possess my crooked corpse
Oh... Whao... Possess my....
Demons from hell....
Black coffins glimmer in the storm
I'll raise the dead from their holes
The smell of corpses fill my nose
I see black rivers thundering forth
Dark powers building up for war
Slaying the weak, possess the strong
"a putrid pile of garbage that puts down women, kids, focus on spreading hate, violence, rape, drugs like a cancerous disease." You must have confused the heavy metal mess you love with rap music. There are countless metal as well as mainstream rock songs that glorify violence, drugs and objectify women. Perspective is a great thing to gain, the mind is a terrible thing to waste. Think about it the next time you decide to post. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 8:19:35 PM | Excuse me.....I forgot the most important part of my opinion!
Hip-Hop/Rap etc. can NEVER die, solely because it was never born i.e. created,
there is no creativity involved in the recording/arrangement of computerized, synthetic sounds. There are very,very few, if any, true Hip-Hoppers (not artists) who play any type of musical instrument, write or read or even comprehend chord structures or melodies, much less carry a tune. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/27/2009 9:13:37 PM | What ceases to amaze me about this thread is the criticism towards hip hop on the "radio"
I find it hilarious - especially considering what rock stations are playing
theory of a deadman, nickelback, and other various drool cup rock bands
Clearly, if you put that much emphasis on what essentially has been on the radio for over 60+ years - pop hits that appeal to teenagers and creates revenue for Clear Channel and their cronies.
You may need to look up these terms "Supply and Demand"
To sum it all up
Theres an abundance of good hip hop and also an abundance of shit
This could be said for a lot of genres
I still enjoy dj shadow, mid 90s hip hop and all the classics that came before it | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/27/2009 9:15:13 PM | Thank you marathon man.
Pick the worst part of a song you can find, so you can prove your lame excuse as to why metal is just as bad.
That's pathetic.
Obviously, I can't express my opinions without someone showing their ignorance along with it. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/27/2009 9:32:55 PM | haha _domin_
you might want to find those missing "brain cells" you mentioned - especially after writing this masterpiece
"Dance music that you go to the bar to, find a woman to hang your nuts on all night, only to take her home, f^ck and rid her and never see her again" type of music. It's all gibberish and a bunch of terms that make no freakin sense whatsoever.
To me, IT IS dead!
"I can't express my opinions without someone showing their ignorance along with it."
pot please met the kettle | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/27/2009 11:02:20 PM |
Yes, a serious would make such a post and it would be accurate. Where is the musical talent in most of today's hip hop music? The beat and most sound is computer generated. No musicians needed. All you need is someone with some moderate computer skills and some samples and you have the foundation for most "songs". Then apply some third grade rhyming words and repeat ad nauseum and you have what passes for today's music. I won't even comment on the socially irresponsible lyrical content of this so called music.
Alternately, look at real music that has layers of real instruments and vocals blended together. Songs that have vocal harmonies that blend with the instruments like another piece of the band.
I'm sorry, but I like my music created and played by people with real musical skills and abilities and not some computer jockey that is stealing beats and riffs from classic rock songs.
Wow...I'm surprised. Someone who claims to be a true musician not recognizing musicality. I myself am a musician. I play hip hop, rock, jazz, progressive metal. Altogether I love and play almost every genre. I write all the genres I play and know that when you do anything musical correctly it's not easy. Granted with hip hop there are a lot of people who flat out suck. People who I don't give two shits about and in my opinion are an embarrassment to the genre. That doesn't mean they don't sell records. And if you're not into the genre and actively searching for good artists then you're always going to run into crap. Do yourself a favor and research a little before you criticize. You'll find there are just as many musicians, lyricists and poets making hip hop as there are any other genre. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/27/2009 11:07:05 PM |
Granted with hip hop there are a lot of people who flat out suck. People who I don't give two shits about and in my opinion are an embarrassment to the genre. That doesn't mean they don't sell records. And if you're not into the genre and actively searching for good artists then you're always going to run into crap. Do yourself a favor and research a little before you criticize. You'll find there are just as many musicians, lyricists and poets making hip hop as there are any other genre.
If one listens carefully, one can hear the sound of a hammer connecting quite decisively with the head of the nail.
Very well said. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/28/2009 12:11:11 AM |
There are very,very few, if any, true Hip-Hoppers (not artists) who play any type of musical instrument, write or read or even comprehend chord structures or melodies, much less carry a tune Again, yet another dissenter who bases an opinion upon nothing more than ignorance and actually makes a post to show it.
The Roots are a BAND. Quest love plays drums,Kamal plays keyboard, Knuckles plays percussion, Captain Kirk plays guitar, Biddle plays bass and "Tuba Gooding Jr." Byson plays sousaphone.
Public Enemy had a huge band. Rolling Stone Magazine ranked Public Enemy number forty-four on its list of the Immortals: 100 Greatest Artists of All Time. Acclaimed Music ranks them the 29th most recommended musical act of all time
Ice T 's group Body Count toured Lallapalooza
Pharell Williams plays drums, piano, keyboards and guitar.
Mos Def plays drums, piano and bass guitar.
Dr. Dre plays keyboard.
Nas plays keyboards and piano.
Kanye West plays keyboards and percussion
Lil Wayne plays guitar most likely much better than the self described "serious musicians" who have posted on this thread so far in dissent.
Kanaan plays Guitar and percussion
The Knux the siblings play multiple instruments (keys, horns, guitar, bass and drums) and produce their own music, they grew up playing Jazz.
BAKYAWD plays the guitar on stage.
Souljah Boy plays drums.
Mannie Fresh plays keyboards.
RJ2 plays keyboards, drums, sax, trumpet, guitar, and violin.
Do I really need to go on? Point is....post like the above quoted are simply based upon nothing more than sheer ignorance.
A further point is that Sinatra was a singer, who didnt play an "instrument".
Now this poster actually tries to separate the artists from "true hip hoppers" wtf?!!!!??? Are you refering to those who listen to hip hop as "true hip hoppers? Who then if not the artists? Here is a clue, doesnt matter what genre they listen to most, most Americans cannot play an instrument and cannot read music. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 12:51:16 AM | Well to be honest I never tried to listen to much Hip Hop or Rap so there may be a few actual musicians out there playing it. Every song or piece of a song I've ever heard was sheer garbage in my ears which is likely why I never bothered to seek out more but maybe that's all just the commercial crap someone referred to. Well then I read this comment...
Lil Wayne plays guitar most likely much better than the self described "serious musicians" who have posted on this thread so far in dissent.
I was fascinated that there might actually be some good musicians playing this kind of music and being a guitar player myself it piqued my curiosity. With an open mind and even maybe prepared to be humbled I went and gave him a listen. Wow!! I mean are you being quite serious? Once I dried my eyes from the hearty laughter I double checked to be sure I was listening to the right guy. All you guitar players here, do yourself a favor and go listen to this guy play. You'll feel so much better about your playing I assure you. If I was giving someone guitar lessons and after a week or so they weren't already better than this guy I would gently tell them to give it up and that guitar was just not for them. You lost all credibility with that one I'm afraid. 
Here's the few videos that I found...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgXL20IoyHM
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=54406491
This is a link to a small story about his guitar playing followed by a link to the song in which he performs the 'solo' they refer too...
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/06/in_defense_of_lil_waynes_guita.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uV-4d15yRg
Enjoy but don't be in the middle of taking a drink when you first hear him...it'll come out of your nose.  | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 1:03:28 AM | | You're correct. Lil Wayne sucks at guitar. Thank goodness he writes lyrics not music. Even then most of his "lyrical content" is unintelligible bullshit. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 1:04:31 AM | | Let me just say this: what little bit of hip hop I have listened too was at fairly high volume and I was not able to discern anything other than synthetic sounds coming from a computer, so why is it that when you see them on a show, live, yousee 2 or 3 guys with a mike and 1 guy sitting at a synthesizer? Where are the drum solos, guitar solos, bent-notes, sustained notes, where is the pluck of the bass players fingers on the strings? | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/28/2009 1:35:50 AM | Lil Wayne plays guitar most likely much better than the self described "serious musicians" who have posted on this thread so far in dissent.
Then -
Lil Wayne sucks at guitar.
If you can read the subtext in the original reference, this is probably one of the best crafted put-downs served on this thread.
You lost all credibility with that one I'm afraid.
Dude, ...you been served. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 1:36:32 AM | Lil Wayne plays guitar most likely much better than the self described "serious musicians" who have posted on this thread so far in dissent. Its called a sarcastic "diss".
He sucks at guitar, that is why its a "diss" to the "self described serious musicians" who made post out of ignorance. You actually researched it and still didnt get it....Oy Vey! | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 6:15:08 AM | When reading the various posts on this thread, it appears that most of the opinions coming from those who have a distaste for hip-hop are incredibly uninformed and don't seem to have actually sat down and sifted through records and listened to them, but rather have heard it while passing by a radio once or twice and are forming their opinion solely based on that.
I have RJ-D2, Beastie Boys, The Herbaliser and others in constant rotation, and it has just as much originality and talent, if not more, then a shredding metal band. The Beastie Boys, for example, started out as a punk band! You have much to explore, and I'd recommend checking out Paul's Boutique for some good tunes.
Maybe there should be a new thread to help introduce people to the brighter side of hip-hop so there won't be such a bitter attitude towards it.
PS. Being a musician doesn't make your point anymore valid. I've heard bad music in every genre.. should we just kill all the music? Don't be a blue meanie. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 8/28/2009 8:55:33 AM | Charlie Hunter played with The Disposable Heroes of Hiphopracy, if any of the guitar players on the thread wanna put their chops (any genre) up against him.
As with any genre, the "good stuff" may not always be the popular stuff. But, if you dig a l'il deeper, you'll probably find some. If you do this enough for a long enough time; then becomes quite clear that to judge any music purely by genre means not understanding good from bad, ...music. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 9:28:27 AM | "I have RJ-D2, Beastie Boys, The Herbaliser and others in constant rotation, and it has just as much originality and talent, if not more, then a shredding metal band."
In your opinion, yes. I can respect that.
But to say it has more talent than a shredding metal band is just plain absurd.
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Posted: 8/28/2009 3:12:54 PM | I don't like rap, but it's mainstream; basically rap is where rock was in the 70's in terms of being mainstream.
When it does die, however, I can guarantee you that it won't be in favor of rock (historically speaking, rock's time has come and gone) -it'll be in favor of something that you hate even more. | |
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