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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/6/2005 5:26:10 AM | rap copy paste story of fame played to background vocals at 200rpm or riped bites from older songs.
hip hop would be better if they would play them more beside jus dusting them off at award shows.
but hip hop gets props alone jus for staying away from the copy an paste
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/6/2005 7:51:30 AM | hip hop has been dead for 2-3 years. Your just noticing how much rap sucks? all these dumb ass AT(dirty south) rappers, plz give my ears a break. Only thing new about rap are the beats. RnB sucks as well. Alternative is sucking as well.... Funny how ppl only think rappers talk about the same shit over n over again. I listen to all music and white artist sing about the same 5 things repeatedly, just like rappers. I'm sayign "white artist" simply because they make up the majority of other genres and i dont want to think of and type all the genres.
I'm VERY glad Napster was made and then bit torrents. Otherwise i would only have 7 year old CDs. I download ALL the new cds but on each they rarely have over 2 good songs on each cd. The music industry claims to be losing money from only theft, but they are polluting their on industry with garbage. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 2:49:08 AM | DANCE! Rock FAILED when the metalist took dance beats out because they did not understand the music's history/soul.
you have got to be kidding me we took the history and soul out of music ... for freaking christ sake... have u ever listend to some of our ballads more deeper soul cant be in it ... let me hush you making judgment without knowing ... oh my gosh go back to school ... who said you cant dance to rock and metal .. oh my freaking god ,... you cant even compare the two styles ... i dont knock hip hop rap ... i just dont listen to it ...
and erm sorry rock n roll brought rock then hard rock then metal then heavy metal and so on called evolution dude ... all music genres have a tie to a previous genre and that goes back to mozart and bach ... they where here long before any of our tastes ...
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 3:33:23 AM | Hip Hop is not dead! That's crazy! It needs a boost, but it has not been dead for a few years already. R&B is still very much alive also! Are we just trying to say "Black" music is dead!? I hope not!
For Hip hop, I've got a name for you..."Saul Williams"! He is a former "Grand Slam Poetry Champion". He speaks straight from his heart and he is highly educated. Download some of his "art". He performs spoken word, and hip hop.
There is something very special about hip hop...You can flow with any type of background music, or none at all. They do not need to play instruments to be talented. What if they could not afford to buy the instruments. In a lot of poor neighborhoods they don't even have music classes. I think it is very impressing, for a lot of these hip hop artists to make it, even with chips stacked against them. I'm not talking about "gangsta rap". I'm talking about the true artists, who are positive and are trying to improve the communities they grew up in, and even change the world for that matter.
People all over the world listen to hip hop, I bet it is probably the most downloaded genre of music, because you just don't hear the good stuff on the radio. Turn off the radio!
Saying R&B is dead, is just silly. It's not dead, you're just not looking for it. What's even wrong with listening to the older artists, They are legends. A genre cannot die if it has legends. We can always listen to the late greats.
If these genres die, then what would replace them? I'm dying to know. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 3:38:18 AM | lmao i dont know ... but curious to that answer as it will prolly evolve again ... you know taste is a funny thing hahahaha
Sorry i still see it as trend even tho its been around years ... look at grunge it came it went and what was left was original Metal ( which we have the curse of nu metal ) ... so maybe even your music has evolved ( dont know dont listen to it ) but if it has jump off genre from the original specially if media hype maybe it will go back to the roots ...
regards soulless | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 4:06:39 AM | I think with "grunge" it was more less the appearance that went. I still think all of those bands sound great! I jam out to Pearl Jam and Nirvana weekly. A lot of today's rock sounds just like "grunge", they just don't want the label.
I don't see hip hop as a trend because it can be invoked into any type of music...any type of music...even metal. Blondie is even considered by some to be the first female to "rap". "Rapture"
But didn't everyone think metal was going to die when it was first getting started. It was even crazy to think about "plugging" in a guitar, way back when. Now look at today, you can't go without "plugging" one in.
People tried to kill off "Rock N Roll" and it failed. The same will happen with "Hip Hop".
Peace. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 4:24:31 AM | hip hop
sing about only 3 things
b*tch
hoes
and bling bling
how original
and please give me another
rap video
full of shiny spinning rims
dudes that think they are the mack
and a boatload of hoochy mamas at da'club
it is just a matter of time
when a genre becomes a parody of itself
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 4:52:26 AM | With any luck that breed of Hip Hop will die, but that isn't by any means the full extent of Hip hop. Turn off your MTV, it will only drive you crazy.
The people who really appreciate Hip Hop, don't even bother with that crap. We don't watch MTV and we don't listen to "ggggG Unit" or those bling bling rappers. A lot of Hip Hop artists actually speak out about those things.
I'm sorry you are only exposed to that form of Hip Hop. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 7:46:57 AM | | I find it sad that many people cant get it in their heads that mainstream music sucks, especially with teenagers like myself. For the last 6 years I have listened to nothing but good music, talented stuff, not this noise that people seem to think is music. I dont even know why I listened to pop when i was younger. I used to listen to Will Smith and Greenday and that was about it back then. Its sad how many wiggers and wanksters are out there these days, white and black kids who listen to all that crappy so called hip hop and rap music and they think they are all gangster, its unbearable and pathetic cause they make themselves look stupid. Im all for free stylin hip hop and stuff but the mainstream stuff needs to die. Someone should have attempted to shoot 50 Cent in the head, maybe it would have killed him instead of wasting 9 bullets that should have killed him, it would be one less wannabe that people have to listen too. When I was in highschool there were a few different groups of students. All the stupid kids listened to rap and never came to class, hence why most of them who were my age still havent graduated and Im almost 19. Then there were the emo kids, whiny little runts who didnt know the meaning of smiling. Those kids all try to be cool but they are pathetic cause they have the IQ's of 5 year olds. The smart kids dont listen to that garbage, we prefer to listen to stuff that will enhance our intellect if you will. I know so many people that listened to classical and jazz it wasnt even funny. No suprise they were all pretty damn smart too. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 1:13:18 PM | ok ill reword my post. HIP HOP isnt dead but rap has been MURDERED. I think rap was murdered about 3-4 years ago. You say hip hop flurished around 3 years ago... lol no way. It only changed styles to "dirty south" music about that time. Also when i say rap is dead what i mean is that the music being put onto store shelves are uninspired, unintelligent, unoriginal (except for ppl like Missy Elliot, Kanye, i cant even think of anyone else that is still putting effort into their CDs. There are probably 3 more.) ... where was I... bleack and repetitive.
Im not saying all music should be intellectual. Sometimes i like to bump thug music to put me in a good mood. Especially while driving. Basic format of rap music is just to list things you Are constantly.
Repetitive Sayings ~ "ima Trap all star" "they all know me in the Trap" "Ima P.I.M.P." "How'd u get in those jeans?" "this is my life" "i got spinners" "mike jones" "Selling weight" "ima hustla" u get the point...
Please list the last CD u were able to listen to from beginning to end because i havnt had one since the last ...... its been some years.  | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 1:20:04 PM | Now I now what you mean. I'm tired of the "anthems" myself.
Here are a few CD's
Mos Def - The New Danger
Common - Be
Saul Williams - Self titled
Kanye West has worked with all of these artists.
Anything by Talib Kweli, is good also. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 1:44:42 PM | Nightwish - sleeping sun
nightwish - dead boys poem
iced earth - i died for you
pink cream69 - where the eagles fly
kamelot - farewell
just to name a few of my personals
so actually all of music is a sub genre from something if you go back in time...
i wasnt knocking hip hop or rap i just said i dont like it personal prefrence ...
and i hate classifying people by the sounds they listen to ... grant it i dont think
that if my partner had a different taste in music as me, we would get along,
imagine i died hard metalfan cooped up with a die hard hip hop fan ... disaster waiting to happen ...
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 2:49:56 PM | Well you did say "our ballards" as if you had recorded some.Of the songs you mentioned I've heard "where eagles Fly","sleeping sun","Farewell""I died for you" would grade them a B- - C- as ballards go.
so actually all of music is a sub genre from something if you go back in time
No,this point is NOT about personal preference,it simply is NOT correct.
Perhaps a more indepth study of music and the history of RocknRoll would enlighten you.
i hate classifying people by the sounds they listen to
Not sure who does. Unless as classification you mean "metalheads" "headbangers" or "Bboys" "Jazz purest" ect....outside of musical classifications musical taste doesn't ALWAYS say alot about a person. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/7/2005 8:38:07 PM | i like outkast too
I miss good soul music
is there any good stuff now
back in the day
you had motown
marvin gaye
james brown now that was cool
even princes last album and dvd tips a hat to that style
now that is cool
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/8/2005 8:36:24 AM | hip hop
sing about only 3 things
b*tch
hoes
and bling bling
Much like alot of the conservative right
(**** = Girl with lesser role = traditional sexist gender roles)
hoes = girls are dependent on men and are needy, again traditional holding down the fairer sex through there dependancy on us.
bling bling = gross materialism of the far right, economy at the expense of everything else!
But on a seriouse note why let some top 10 moron tell us what is music? I dont believe anything on a pop station is real art, and alot of real hip-hop never see's the light of day. As for me Hair Bands and metal will never die! I dont care what's on the radio or popular, if I like it I'll listen to it. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/8/2005 3:46:34 PM | Hiphop is here to stay and not all of it is about the same cheap crap over and over again.
Sometimes I think "hey, if I can't beat it, join it!!"
Pimp ma Tegra an' Roll on 17's (19's are too rough for most roads here and 16's/under are just wrong), fire up the boomers and ride. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/8/2005 5:17:08 PM | First let me start off by saying I listen to every type of music. Music is my drug of choice.
I am not entrenched in the hip hop scene, but in my opinion there is very, very little new music that is true hip hop. All rap, I can understand how rap has gotten a bad rep., violent, misogynistic, so yes I can understand how it is not appreciated by all.
But make no mistake, this is not hip hop. Hip hop is a positive sub culture, it has its own dress, language, outlooks. It will never die | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/8/2005 5:55:04 PM | | At the root of the very best hip hop and R&B is poetry. I am quite ticked that alot of new stuff ripps off retro songs. Alot of times people don't even notice. Shawn Desmond's "let's go" surprisingly rips off a Tango & Cash movie scene! There aren't many people who caught that one either. It's the scene where the girl is dancing with the big fans behind her. The music playing in the scene is an exact match but it is slowed down in the Shawn Desmond song. Pretty Ricky "never let you go" noticeably rips off Van Halens "Ain't talking bout love". There are countless others but those come to mind. I just wish more of these people would do something original. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/9/2005 12:02:51 AM | I'm trying to ignore this thread, but I can't.
I feel like ppl haven't listened to enough hiphop to make an accurate judgment. Taking an entire genre and labeling it trash because you gave it a "quick listen" often results in a misdiagnosis.. ..And again, the top ten list is crap. It should boil down to the individual artist, not an entire genre. Imagine if I heard a few songs on Mtv (lets say "simple plan", & "kelly osborne") and labeled rock and roll dead? (ok I know, it's not exactly rock). Or labeled it boring... That is an uneducated diagnosis. That is like hating IRAQ and EVERYONE IN IT, simply because you watch too much CNN. You haven't even scratched the surface.
Ok, I'm not trying to "convert" anyone here. I'm just adding my 2 cents. I LOVE all types of music... But I see hiphop as more than music.. And culture aside aswell, it is A TOOL. I think hiphop, can inspire and educate today's urban youth if it is used correctly,. I HONESTLY feel that NO OTHER form of music can convey a message like hiphop can. I'm sorry for saying that, but sorry, I feel hiphop is more versatile and eloquent than any other genre. Someone could pack an entire history course into a rap album, and if it rhymes nice and isn't corny, kids will listen and learn, IM SURE.. I got my "hood 101" from rap, and it has educated me in a POSITIVE way, and has literally saved my life. Literally. ...Rap has even helped me pick up girls, haha. ..maybe not the best girls, but every girl is special to me. :)
Someone above me said that the music industry has "polluted" itself with garbage. To me, that is the exact problem. ..Gimmicks get contracts. Not talent. The music industry is overdue for a revolution. It needs to be overthrown. Music has lost its soul and has become a popularity contest and a fashion show. An attractive artist, nice dance moves, and a high budget video shoot equates into album sales. That's why the "top ten" is crap. The industry has become sleazy. I hate 80% of major commercial releases, rap or not rap..
And noooooooooo. It won't die.. Its roots are already embedded too deep.
And if the tree dies above ground, I'm sure the roots will live underground and thrive.
The underground is more beautiful than above-ground anyways..
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Ohh ps. Someone asked to list the last rap album that was good from beginning to end...
Here's a few that are still in the car deck after like 6 wks of rotation:
-Masta Ace - Long Hot Summer (2004)
-Sticky Fingaz - The Autobiography of Kirk Jones (whole album is a story/movie) (03?)
-Common, Talib Kweli, and Mos Def (discodaddy reads minds)..
-Wordsworth - (anything, he is extremely clever)
-Copywrite - (maybe not an entire album, but he has many good punches- eg. "won't stop" "SEVEN LIGHT YEARS" "Let me in" "F**k Soundcheck" "Anti Heroes" "Yo")
..I dunno, that is off the top of the head, there's lots more... especially underground.
Some of that may not be the cleanest[/] rap, but neither is hollywood right?
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/9/2005 2:54:32 AM | Lots of good stuff here at home from HFX! Most of it is born of a massively feared and hated (by most of the population in the city) project area too. I like it real, mad, sad, hateful, happy whatever. The limelight is censored to death so yeah, the underground is where it begins. Sadly, I don't think alot of people have had the chance to take in the grassroots level hiphop. They label it as "gangster rap" and "violent" but if you saw the life that most of those folks made it from, you would understand their poetry a little better.
I like almost all types of music and try not to make a quick judgement about anything unless it deserves such. | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/9/2005 3:41:12 AM | Mossberg is Hip Hop!
Good post...How could I forget "Wordsworth" and even "Outkast" for that matter.
The posts are getting more and more positive.
I'm starting to feel the Hip Hop revival already! | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/9/2005 5:51:32 PM | Hip Hop is king!
Think about it, born outa the seventies, and today is so present in everything we listen to from metal to electronica. Its more than the scratching and turntablism, the beats the message and the way of life. Take for instance Linkin Park, Crystal Method, Propeller Heads, genres like Trance, Downtempo, House, ambient, acid jazz, performance poetry, Gorillaz, Limp Bizkit, Aerosmith and their collabo with Run DMC which sparked off the movement, hell Public Enemy even incorporated some metal into some of their stuff. The soul that Hip Hop presents is incredible. Granted Yes Hip Hop has changed quite a bit from the Big Daddy Kane, Grand Master Flash and Furious five days, but in there among all the variations it still impacts everything we listen to. And while many people focus on the gangsta rap as being the difinative spokesman for rap which I think gives it a bad name personally, there are others out there that keep it real. I am sure you have heard of Jurassic 5 - They are current in everyway - but have an old school flavor that speaks to today's issues and challenges. Herbaliser is definately hip-hop but with an old school flava.
I grew up listening to Eric B. & Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Paperboy, P.E. (Public Enemy), you name it, but I also spread out and spent alot time chillen with Dixie Land Jazz(New Orleans Jazz), Classical, electronica, metal, alternative, rock, and god I could keep going. And to me while they all sound different seemed to share the same one principal that hip-hop presents: soul.
Maybe I am wrong, but Gospel and R&B seem to be cohesively linked to rap in the sense that while they probably deliever a different message, they both talk about struggles within the black community and communities abroad. To dismiss hip-hop based soley on the the language they use to describe people seems to be short sited. I think hip-hop is here to stay and will continue to evolve and permeate into so many genres of music and enrich our overall experience in the long run!
I guess I say that only because I remix and create tracks that somehow always have a hip-hop nature to them - I can't escape it - its something that you either are or aren't. You either feel it and identify on whatever level or don't. But I am optimistic - expect kick ass things in the future from hip-hop and track the progress in how many genres it mixes with and influences. | |
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