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Posted: 9/9/2005 6:15:20 PM | | aww sounds like you are not fan - its cool - not everyone can be... Just an open mind is all I care about - there is a world of music out there to discover :) | |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:10:43 PM | | Hip-hop remains the only genre of music that continues to impress me. People like Eminem, Kanye West, NAS, Dre, Jay-Z, Meth, etc. are geniuses. If you actually take the time to listen to the music, it isn't simply a bunch of slang thrown together in a way that rhymes. I've never heard any rock/country/classical/jazz/etc. song that has even a fraction of the wit found in the lyrics of many hip hop classics. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 10:11:03 PM | muvment
hip hop classics hey?
that is a new term.....
i ALWAYS THOUGHT OF HIP HOP LIKE A PIECE OF GUM YOU SPIT OUT AFTER 20 MINS BECAUSE IT LOsT IT'S TASTE | |
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| IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/9/2005 10:13:37 PM | A loop has no groove. Metronomic time is amusical. A sample isn't live.
.......Some things aren't "about taste".
Some things just "aren't". | |
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Posted: 9/10/2005 1:43:07 AM | SORRY TO HEAR THAT VARIOT
yes people rapping over a 4 or 8 bar beat
repeated for 4 mins is not awesome or original
and it does all sound the same
1)-they are not creating melody=monotone
2)-the rapper's cadence tends to be similiar to all other rappers......
2a
Ok maybe there is 3 different phrasing styles.....but, that is about it
so yes the songs sound the same......... sorry
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Posted: 9/10/2005 3:41:38 AM | I love this thread
I don't think Hip hop will die, and others disagree...but I must admit I like the way evryone is handling it.
It's not like the other forums, where everyone bashes each other. We are only bashing music, and that doesn't hurt anyone's feelings...and even when we bash the music, we get info on other great bands. That's cool.
I still say Hip Hop wont die...the more people hate it...the more others love it.
I still say turn off MTV! If anything could kill Hip Hop, it would be MTV! Seriously.
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Posted: 9/10/2005 2:00:18 PM | Disco daddy
I love your enthusiasim
Yes it is cool no one is bashing each other
ps
I do not hate all hip hop
some of my opinions are over generlized or extreme for the purpose of this forum only
In real life I am alot more easy going
though listening to most hip hop makes my spincter tighten uncomfortably
kinda like listening to someone's drunk uncle
telling the same bad joke for the 1000th time | |
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Posted: 9/10/2005 4:49:45 PM | kinda like listening to someone's drunk uncle
telling the same bad joke for the 1000th time
Wow, that's gotta' be one of the best descriptions I've ever heard, ....I always just likened it to poetry for the illiterate.
I think it can be called an art form, without any argument, ....but a music genre?
There are elements of music present, sure, ......but for the most part, it's spoken word over loops and samples.
No musicians needed.
It will thrive as long as it's of use to Madison Ave, to sell french fries, shoes, and office supplies, just like any entertainment form derived from pop culture.
Other than that, it has no native derivation or synthesis(in the musical sense, not the instrumental), it merely borrows.
There are a few examples that step outside this model, but not enough to make up for those that don't.
So, from a consumer perspective, .....it's music.
This doesn't necessarily hold true for the music perspective, where it's a more of a consumer product. | |
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Posted: 9/10/2005 6:07:46 PM | Hip Hop was around long BEFORE Madison Ave. began to attempt to profit off of it. It will be and has been around DISPITE Madison Ave.
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Posted: 9/10/2005 6:47:09 PM | Being a musician is in the eye of the beholder It is a debate between those who know and FULLY understand the subject matter of the thread ...... those who don't, simply post. | |
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Posted: 9/10/2005 7:09:09 PM | sorry dude
I will keep it clean
It is just an obsevation
that the people that are not in to hip hop on this thread are musicians
ie
people that learn to play an instrument
many on here that I reconize...... as professional musician
(people that make there living playing an instrument)
but ,I will admit hip hop is fun to dance to......if you like to dance
it reminds me of that famous statment made on 'American bandstand"
about disco
a young girl in the audience was asked is disco......... music?
she said
"ya .......it has a good beat, and you can dance to it"
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Posted: 9/10/2005 8:30:10 PM |
It is just an obsevation
that the people that are not in to hip hop on this thread are musicians...(people that make there living playing an instrument)
It is YOUR observation,but it is inaccurate.
After 30 yrs of Hip Hop the question itself seem TIRED and trite.
Disco in contrast,lasted in popularity about 5 yrs.Yet it was the LABEL that gained popularity,DANCE music was and has been around and will continue. The genre called Dance today some called techno is a variation of a form of disco.Disco was simply a remanufactured distored style of R&B,Funk.
Up tempo dance music is exactly what RockNRoll is/was. Disco was a sping from the same tributary that produced RockNRoll. The difference is that "disco" began to lose its "soul" due to many things.Up tempo dance will always continue for those who love to dance.
  The lesson is as long as these offshoots always understand the tributary to keep the "soul" and "beat" they will be a part of the continuem of this wonderful tributary that brings life like the Nile. | |
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Posted: 9/10/2005 9:07:29 PM | | Rap to me had a meaning back when tupac was still making music. He was a good artist, after that i became more into rock. Huge fan of early KORN. The rap that is out now sucks big time, but if thats what you like then great listen to it just dont pull up next to me blasting it to my face because i blast back with some hard metal and trust me i win. | |
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Posted: 9/10/2005 9:30:40 PM |
Hip-hop remains the only genre of music that continues to impress me. People like Eminem, Kanye West, NAS, Dre, Jay-Z, Meth, etc. are geniuses. If you actually take the time to listen to the music, it isn't simply a bunch of slang thrown together in a way that rhymes. I've never heard any rock/country/classical/jazz/etc. song that has even a fraction of the wit found in the lyrics of many hip hop classics.
Classics is defined as being old. Hip hop is old, idiots like Eminem and Kanye West are new and still as pathetic as everyone else. The problem with rap and hip hop is all the same, its the same repetitive beats to the same bullcrap lyrics. Who really cares about that stuff anymore, it got old 10 years ago, people have just continued to rag on the same sorry topics for this long and its about time it ended. Its time for people to face the music that pop, and all this uncreative repetitive garbage has to die, just as everything does. Its a shame the music industry just wants to make money and doesnt care about peoples talent cause about 5% of all mainstream artists actually make their own music that isnt a bunch of noise. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 12:52:09 AM | (people that make there living playing an instrument)
I teach as well as do studio work, played my first pro gig 31 years ago w/ Howard Roberts -
I've played hip-hop live and in the studio. We had to figure out a way to real-time vary the meter on the loops, or I wouldn't go near it, ....I hate clock meter.
Formula disco was basically producer-based (much like hip hop), what they did was take one style of funk, and dumb it down to make it easy to sell. Most of it is just up-tempo 2/4 w straight 16s on the high-hat, simple structure harmonically, very little groove, everybody nailing the one.
The opposite of good funk....
Some hip hop is tolerable for me to listen to if it has musicians on it and no loops, I hate loops. No groove.
30 yrs of hip hop?
really ?
1975
Easily, probably further back if you want to stretch definitions (some do). | |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 5:53:19 PM | | Hey not all of it is that bad but most of it's crap...but then I can't stand country music and get a lot of flak over that from friends. So to each his own I guess...can't please everyone. | |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 8:46:20 PM | ~*hip hop will be around forever...self expression is amazing whether it be rock, rap, or whatever your pleasure...i hope it never dies...i love hip hop...i find it hard to dance to loud guitars and stuff like that...i can get down when it comes to hip hop...but i also love stuff like misfits..danzig..suicidal tendencies..music and self expression hopefully will live forever*~
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Posted: 9/24/2005 2:39:33 AM | | I beleive it's on it's way out. The young people, (like my son who is 10), are starting to listen to old bands like AC\DC, Iron maiden, The Rolling Stones and even Tom Jones who is taking new music and converting it to his style. Rod Stewart, (old Rod Stewart), is also popular with the young crowd. They say history, music, and fashion re cycle themselves about every 20 years, so the time is soon for a change. Thank goodness as Hip Hop doesn't take real talent, just some good technology. When you have to use computer generated programs and special sound effects, you're not a real musician, just a good technological manipulator. Yes they used "helpers" in the old days, but not like now, back then you actually had to have some talent to start with. Long live the real talent, may the bubblegummers one day soon see the light. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 8:19:46 AM | Funny,I've worked with kids all of my adult life. My observation isn't based upon 1 kid or a few of his peers.Kids are NOT turning away from Hip Hop.Why should they? If kids are EVER faced with a choice of Tom Jones the cool 1's will ALWAYS take Will Smith.Tom Jones isn't even a good singer let alone a musician
Hip Hop's kick is that it is versitle.Its OFTEN performed live with live musicians/bands.It is NOT about technology,in fact it was born out of the fact that those who began performing hip hop lacked money for more than turn tables and records.It has evolved.Now many performers use musicians in concert.
As far as HISTORY is concerned,Heavy Metal is perhaps 5yrs "older" than Hip Hop,yet it has NEVER had the popularity.When kids study the HISTORY of Rock they'll get into Wynonnie Harris,Louis Jordan,Big Red Turner,Count Basie,Duke Ellington,Cab Calloway,Louis Prima,Trixie Smith,The Boswell Sisters,Robert Johnson,Blind Boy Fuller,Ike Turner,Slim Gillard,Slam Steward,Big Momma Thorton,Ma Rainey....hell,even Chuck Berry,Little RIchard and Jimi Hendrix instead of Rod Stewart,Tom Jones and Iron Maiden!Metal is part of gaming music now,comparatively few kids are into it outside of that.
Hip Hop is mainly party music in the celebration of LIFE.....unlike Iron Maiden.Go to a club or a teen party and if only Metal is played people leave(unless they are too high or too drunk to do otherwise )...with Hip Hop....they dance  | |
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