| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 11/28/2006 5:25:56 PM | Capital punishment is not the exclusive domain of Texas. most places that have death by popular demand dont always use it. There are plenty of people in death penalty states who have gotten life instead. My neighbors in North Dakota are going to put a man to death (way in the future as there will be all sorts of people filing appeals on his behalf). His crime? Murdering a teenage girl who did absolutely nothing to him.
On a personal note, someone I knew was murdered over 20 years ago. The result was that his killer went to prison for around 15 years, then was released....my friend is still in his casket - anyone know when he gets released? | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 11/28/2006 10:53:53 PM | I'm all for capital punishment, and I'll tell you why.
People who kill other people should die(assuming the courts have a solid case against you).
It would save taxpayers a ton of money in terms of paying the costs of feeding convicts, housing them in prisons, police and court budgets would be better spent on other areas of law, and you would deter future crimes by 40 percent or more from happening.
As for the possibility of killing an innocent person, with DNA technology more advanced than ever, I doubt this could happen.
BUT......
Do you think the government will re-instate this...I doubt it. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 11/29/2006 4:51:57 AM | | Because you cannot put someone to death without a host of appeals. The cost of the execution is more than the cost of keeping them in prison for their natural life. No one will ever stop the appeal process. Capital punishment is not justice, it is revenge. I am opposed to it | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 11/29/2006 12:48:22 PM |
The cost of the execution is more than the cost of keeping them in prison for their natural life.
Are you kidding me?
Have you ever calculated the cost to house a convicted felon for 20 years or more(not including food, medical, etc...)
How much do you think it costs to fry someones brain, or die from lethal injection?
Much less than keeping them alive. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 11/30/2006 6:07:06 AM | | The cost for execution is over a million bucks because of the appeals process and the extra cost of death row. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 11/30/2006 6:15:46 AM |
Are you kidding me?
Have you ever calculated the cost to house a convicted felon for 20 years or more(not including food, medical, etc...)
How much do you think it costs to fry someones brain, or die from lethal injection?
Much less than keeping them alive.
http://www.aclu.org/capital/facts/10593res20050216.html
Prosecuting a death penalty case is extremely expensive for a state and drains money that could be used for education and social programs. It costs more than sentencing a prisoner to life without parole.
The most comprehensive death penalty study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million more per execution than a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of life imprisonment (Duke University, May 1993). In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases.
ALSO, read:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=6&did=111#executed | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 11/30/2006 6:31:00 PM | I'm against it.
People who murder/torture rape and molest children/women NEED to be kept alive and SUFFERING for as LOOOONG as possible.
Like child molestors.Most of these scum are unrepentant.
They NEED to have to have some empathy BEATEN and asssphuked into them.
The that guy who killed all those nurses in the USA--Richard Speck.
He became a jailhouse bytch-he was raped so many times in jail that he eventually went on to get a sex change and grew some boobs.
Thats JUSTICE. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 11/30/2006 6:57:18 PM | so many death penalty cases are dismissed for mistakes in the evidence. Here's a list of all the reasons why:
http://www.truthinjustice.org/actualinn.htm
With all the mistakes they make, how can we be certain enough to kill someone as punishment?
Here's more about innocence and the death penalty:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=412&scid=6
"executed but probably innocent":
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=6&did=111#executed | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 11/30/2006 11:00:18 PM | CHICAGO - A judge agreed Thursday(11/30/06) to release a man serving a 20-year sentence for a 1992 rape that DNA tests showed he didn't commit.
Can you imagine if he was tried for murder and executed??? | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 11/30/2006 11:08:49 PM | Even though everybody has the right to make their own opinions on this subject, I will keep an open mind.
anticon, thanx for the links...very good point! | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 11/30/2006 11:30:52 PM | If we could be SURE the person did it, I'd be all for it. Hell, do whatever they did to someone else.... I'd have no problem with it.
The only things is that every type of evidence there is can be used to set people up; even DNA... and although DNA can also be used to prove people were innocent, there's only DNA evidence introduced in about 10% of the cases... so the rest of'em that weren't convicted with wrong DNA evidence; what about THEM???
and given the high rate of reversals EVEN WHEN DNA EVIDENCE WAS USED TO CONVICT, what can we guess the real rate of truly guilty criminals on death row is?
50%?
Who would even know?
There's no way to tell...
Knowing about this high a percentage of reversals based on DNA evidence... it's really changed my perception.. I'm starting to question: When I see statistics like "*whatever* percent of married people who were murdered were murdered by their spouses", I think to myself..."It's easy to set up a spouse. Their fingerprints are all over the place.... DNA too. To cops, setting up a spouse is like shooting fish in a barrel."
I think "Do the cops care more whether the person's innocent, or that nobody got off?"
.... and I also think how if a murder happened and they couldn't put it on someone, how bad they'd look.... and I start to see how things could get very convoluted... especially when you've got cops like Mark Fuhrman, who thinks he knows if people are guilty or not and has admitted planting evidence...
See?
That's why I don't think it's a good idea.
The only thing we DO know is there have been alot of people convicted of murder who were innocent. That's a fact.
That's why I say we shouldn't kill them. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 12/1/2006 5:06:10 AM | I have a lot of friends in the criminal justice system. Some are defense lawyers and some are prosecuters. The sad fact is that the prevailing attitude among them is that if the defendent is innocent of the crime charged then he is probably guilty of some other crime that he has not been charged with. The system is not about justice, it is about who wins and who loses. Go sit in the criminal court room one day and just watch the action. You will find court appointed attorneys handling 300 cases at a time and plea bargaining most of them. Its just a numbers game with those guys. Its how many cases can they dispose of and get paid for. Not many people have OJ's resources for a defense team. The state has an overwhelming advantage in most cases. Justice is not even handed.
I oppose the death penality because I just think it is wrong. I also believe that until we change our system of justice so that everyone has an even chance then it is doubly wrong. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 12/1/2006 5:28:19 AM | It's quite interesting that we can easily accept spending millions upon millions of dollars to try a single murderer, and so little to help people when they are living in bad situations. Poverty, bad neighborhoods, lack of education, and mental illness are the breeding grounds for crime and murderers.
We can build prisons all over the country, but not good housing. We can educate people in prison, but not on the streets.
We keep buying saddles after the horse is no longer in the stall. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 12/1/2006 7:04:42 AM | A further problem with capital punishment comes in the jury selection process.
Prosecutors can ask potential jurors if they could vote for the death penalty; if they can't they can be excused with cause. That means that those predisposed to vote guilty are on the jury. The worst type of this sort of thing that I've heard of was in Texas. A DA there (who is now a judge) would ask potential jurors if they had a problem with sentencing someone to 50 years in prison for a gram of heroin. If ponential jurors thought that was too much they were excused. This woman then had a jury that was going to convict based on any evidence she threw up there. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 12/1/2006 4:21:51 PM | We're building prisons all over the country? Where? How many?
Good housing is something you earn by working for it - same thing with a prison cell. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 12/1/2006 4:30:34 PM | As soon as I found out that Hitlers personal doctor was the person who invented Death By Lethal Injection I've been against the death penalty ever sense.
And the fact that just because someone is on death row doesn't mean they are actually guilty. It's all too common that people are executed then it's discovered they were innocent. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/10/2007 7:36:04 PM | | I think those that support the lifers should be the ones who pay the taxes to keep them there not my taxes. The problem with the system today is there are innocent people in prison, mainly blacks and spanish, now already old men, who were wrongly arrested by cops because of the color of their skin. Im sure it still happens today but not as frequent. You think some of these criminals are scum? You overlooked the crooked cops and correctional wardens who took the futures of the men's lives who are innocent. For those heinous crimes involving torture to the innocent people and especially towards children I support the death penalty all the way. In our society we all would like to believe that everyone can be saved but there really are others who can not ever be rehabilitated and they are savage Monsters. Most were a product of their upbringing by their absent parents. Those Monsters didnt choose to become that way it was years and years of sestimatic abuse and torture. They were victims too. Every child grows up innocent and loving. To turn a grown person into a savage monster tells you how much they were mentally, physically abused, and tortured as they were growing up. Then there are others who growup to never ever hurt another human being despite all the abuse they endured. So there will always be that overlapping gray line. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/14/2007 6:21:37 PM | Count me as against.
When I lived in Florida, I had a neighbor who spent fifteen years in jail for a crime that he did not commit. Had they executed him, and found out later, they would not have been able to give the man his life back. The risk of liability to the state when an innocent person is executed far outweighs any supposed benefits because the resulting lawsuits would drain the state's coffers. It's just NOT worth the liability risk! The liability is less if one is released from jail and has a chance to get his life back in order after being freed.
With that said, it's time to wisely use the available jail space to lock up sex criminals and murderers for the rest of their lives. Sentencing a pothead with a joint for twenty years while rapists go free after three has GOT to stop!! Jails are there to keep those kinds of criminals away from society. I believe that once found guilty of such a crime that the sentence should be for LIFE. No three strikes and your'e out!! ONE STRIKE and you are in jail for the rest of your life for violent crimes. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/15/2007 5:13:56 PM | Well count me as for, but only in instances where there is incontrovertable evidence.
I also believe that fear is the greatest motivating force we know as humans and I believe that society needs to be in fear of committing a crime.Those rightfully convicted should be punished in an openly and televised manner. Let the public see some horriffic punishment being dealt out. The message will sink in.
For example, if indeed Picton did kill all those women, He should be sentenced to die by pig.
And this should be televised on a PPV basis with the proceeds going to the victims families.
If someone steals my car and gets caught I want the right to right to dole out the ten lashes myself or designate some else.
Friday Night Floggings would be #1 I bet.
Crimes against others deserve retribution. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/15/2007 5:51:39 PM | | I'd be for it if it actually worked as a deterrent, but since it doesn't I'm not. The best deterrent are fines, watch how quickly crime would go down if people had to sacrifice their money instead of their necks if they were caught. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/14/2007 7:38:38 PM | | I have only used the forums twice before. I clicked on this as I saw it in someones profile. I do not know if this point has come up I have not read all the replies on this subject. I am against the death penalty. It is very true it costs more in appeals than it does to for them to serve life in jail. But the main reason I'm against it...We are punishing the "murderer" by murdering them. Does that make us any better than the one we are punishing? It serves a message that murder is okay in some cases. So should we rape rapists and steal from the theifs? How are we teaching children right from wrong when we in return are doing the same thing the crime is being punished for whether it was justified or not. It does not work as a deterrent. If it did, everytime we turn on the news we would not hear about the days shooting or assualt. Death is an easy fix. Making the person suffer for the rest of their life is justice. Two wrongs do not make a right. | |
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| I am all for it
Posted: 3/15/2007 7:44:27 PM | Saw a viedo of several types of excutions. If you were serving a life sentence and they offerd you "lethal injection", would you take it, rather then spend the rest of your life in prison? I would take the injection. Since we are on this subject, what would be your final meal request? I would have a steak/frenchfries/baked potato, fried chicken, a salad, a quart of ice cream and a hot cop of tea, followed by pancakes, hashbrowns and eggs. Guess I wouldn't have to worry about weight gain or calories  | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/15/2007 10:53:06 PM | I definately am against the policy. I personally believe this is the most hypocrite style of justice for several reasons:
A lot of people who support this say they aren't like gangster folk, yet WHAT type of justice are you practicing by taking out someone else (REMEMBER: You take one of mine, I take one of yours)?!?
Also, this strictly goes against my religious beliefs (YES I'm a Jesus Freak). What happened to this whole forgiveness thing? Is that out the door now?!? And for those who say it is in the Bible, keep in mind that the Good Lord allowed for these killings because it was his will be done, NOT because "That man kylled mah boy and I waunt him ta pay", and the DP exists mainly just because of this!! The Good Lord did NOT say carry out the DP because you wanted the offender to pay for killing your little boy, but because it was HIS will be done. If I could recall those exact verses I would cite them for y'all.
When you think about the effects of this, how it affects some families, communities, even a entire group of people (like with Tookie Williams), you'd have to really think if it's right move to make.
Now yes, it's painful to see or hear about some very vicious crimes that took place. But why would you want to give the offender an easy way out? Remember, the Death Penalty is an easy way out. Some offenders in the past have asked for this just so they could kill themselves. Why allow two wrongs to occur just to make ONE right?
If y'all disagree with my stand, please dissent intelligently. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/15/2007 11:09:50 PM | I also believe that fear is the greatest motivating force we know as humans and I believe that society needs to be in fear of committing a crime.Those rightfully convicted should be punished in an openly and televised manner. Let the public see some horriffic punishment being dealt out. The message will sink in.
Sounds great.... but it doesn't work. 
Pickpockets used to love public executions, as it was a perfect place to ply their trade. (and pickpocketing was a capital offense sometimes, when they were doing it.)
To quote Shakespeare :
every lane's end, every shop, church, session,
hanging, yields a careful man work.
- Autolycus, The Winter's Tale
There's this belief that "they'll never catch ME" in place. That's why people still try and shoplift, even though technology is being used to stop theft in some pretty creative and effective ways.
There are also people that are essentially suicidal, but lack the ability to go through with the act. For some of those people "suicide by cop" , or the death penalty, provides the solution to their problem. | |
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