| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/16/2007 1:58:47 AM | {quote}I have aways thought that capital punishment is such a hypocritical way
of solving the problems, that we dealing with in regards to citizens that are
considered to be a danger to society. What are your veiws?
So what are your views. Other than it is hypocritical, what is your view? | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/16/2007 6:59:24 PM | | I am all for it, but we need to be more selective on how we implement it. Mass Murderer should get the Gas. Drug Dealer tortures and executes an undercover Cop, give him the chair and listen gleefully to him squeal. Some beats, rapes and tortures a child, beat the piece of S**T to death. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/19/2007 12:25:48 PM | | For capital punishment...when there is irrefutable guilt...2 appeal max...16 cent bullet...swiftly...no remorse. | |
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NateC
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Joined: 4/10/2006
Msg: 579 | |
| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/19/2007 1:06:57 PM | In modern liberalised society, there's no such thing as irrefutable guilt. DNA conclusivity is still only 99.99999% correct ;)
But i'll still support it anyway. It is a waste of money to keep human refuse locked up for the sake of a pipedream experiment. Rehabilitation of recidivists, iirc, is pretty low.
Even then, I think that a death penalty should be merciful, regardless of the crime. Brutal means create even more brutal people, and a sadistic executioner is what would make the concept of execution hypocritical, not the act itself.
Eliminating someone for taking a human life in cold blood can be looked at from two sides; it can be seen as hypocritical because you're taking their life in return. Or it can be seen as just, because while one may not (or might) want to see someone dead for their crime, it needs to be done. That person has proven to be a threat to society and no longer deserves its protections.
We're a society that puts down mad (or very, very bad) dogs - and we often hold our pets much higher than ourselves in terms of importance. If we can put down an animal we love and cherish for aberrant behaviour, why not a human?
Think about that. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/19/2007 1:18:30 PM | | The best argument I've heard on the subject concerns the cost effeciency of the death penalty. In Florida the average cost to house a prisoner given a life sentence is 17K per year. That averages out to under 700k over that prisoners lifetime. However the average cost of a death sentence runs over 3million, due to their housing, the perks they get over gen/pop. prisoners, the costs involved in their execution, and Legal fees for the appeals process. Don't forget, the inmates legal fees incured during the appeals process is paid by the state. It is cheaper to give them a life sentence. The Tax money saved could go to much better use! | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/19/2007 5:58:08 PM | | Against. As much as there are some disgusting pieces of filth out there who sexually abuse children - and I've mouthed off about liking to shoot the f^cks sometimes - I would vote against the death penalty even if it meant they are spared too. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/19/2007 9:24:37 PM | Crane man does a fine job of illustrating why capital punishment is a flawed concept:
Mass Murderer should get the Gas. Drug Dealer tortures and executes an undercover Cop, give him the chair and listen gleefully to him squeal. Some beats, rapes and tortures a child, beat the piece of S**T to death.
When we legitimize revenge as a punitive technique, we also essentially endorse a common motivation for criminal behavior, thus lowering ourselves to the level of those we seek to punish.
I don't question that some criminals need to be permanently removed from society. That's what life sentences without parole are for. But our justice system should be focused on either rehabilitation of those who can be rehabilitated or removing the opportunity for those who can't be rehabilitated to repeat their transgressions. That's all, at least in my opinion.
Dave | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/20/2007 8:04:06 AM | I think it should be there for violent crimes where there is shown to be little to no chance of rehabilitation.
Modern forensics have gotten very good at proving/disproving cases. When the evidence is conclusive, I think that violent rapists, child molesters (especially them), murderers and the all around scumbags (I mean the ones that are in and out of jail all their lives... obviously the system doesnt work for them) should be executed.
Plus... If we can label someone a dangerous offender and lock them up for life... why not just kill them instead? | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/20/2007 4:56:27 PM | | I haven't read all these posts as there is a lot of them so, i don't know if want I am about to say has been said by someone from the UK, but we don't have the death sentence, it was abolished roughly about 1967, and if memory serves me right the last person to hang was a woman. although I could be wrong. I believe thay the death penilty should be reintroduced back into Britian, we have child abusers walking the streets thy have served a few years then been released, to be tagged I think. Our sentence of life doesn't always mean life, they are usually out at 14 years if not before, on the condition that if they are to commit another crime they will go back in for the remainer of thier life. So if they have committed a cold blooded murder, they get a few years in nick, then they are out to live the remainder of their life. | |
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| I am all for it
Posted: 3/24/2007 11:19:42 AM | I would have a steak/frenchfries/baked potato, fried chicken, a salad, a quart of ice cream and a hot cop of tea, followed by pancakes, hashbrowns and eggs. Guess I wouldn't have to worry about weight gain or calories
That wouldn't be good for your cholesterol level tho.......Ask your doctor!!!!! | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/25/2007 8:47:57 PM | I was against the capital punishment long years. However, now I believe there're people who deserve to die and those should die. For example the Washington's sniper. I think the fact how much defendants appeal the capital punishment illustrates they do not prefer it over the life without parole.
I do not believe the appeal process would be less costly if the life without parole would be the maximum sentence. Even here, the defendant would have nothing to lose and he/she would use all possible appeals, too. | |
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grog27
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Joined: 2/25/2005
Msg: 587 | |
| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/25/2007 9:18:30 PM | "I'd be for it if it actually worked as a deterrent, but since it doesn't I'm not. "
Note: It's called "Capital PUNISHMENT", not "Capital DETERRENT."
That whole "It's not a deterrent" argument is a red herring; a complete non-issue. The fact remains that, as a PUNISHMENT, it works perfectly well. After all, how many executed criminals have gone on to re-offend?
Please also note that the definition of 'punishment' is "a penalty for doing something wrong: a penalty that is imposed on somebody for wrongdoing ..." It is absolutely NOT meant as a deterrent for someone who might possible do something wrong at some time in the future. For this very reason, the "deterrent" argument is non-valid. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/25/2007 11:18:14 PM | | against, not because the system is flawed, or it fails as a deterrant, but for moral reasons . Granted, I'd probably kill people in certain situations, or have no way of saying certainly that wouldn't. With clear heads, and as a collective however, we should have better sense. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 3/26/2007 7:38:14 PM | I'm in Texas...what do you think? as Ron White is so fond of saying..."we have the Death Penalty and we USE IT!!!
I am for it. The System is flawed..I agree, but until someone comes up with something better....and this "HATE CRIME" Issue...waste of time....a person is murdered because he is BLACK or GAY or ANY other reason they use it. MURDER is MURDER. I don't think they were murdered cause someone liked them.... | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 4/27/2007 4:52:58 PM |
It's called "Capital PUNISHMENT", not "Capital DETERRENT."
That whole "It's not a deterrent" argument is a red herring; a complete non-issue. The fact remains that, as a PUNISHMENT, it works perfectly well. After all, how many executed criminals have gone on to re-offend?
That is a circular argument. You claim it is a punishment not a deterent and then offer as its value as a punishment the fact it deters repeat offenders?
As to the OP question. I am opposed. Except for its proponents | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 4/27/2007 7:56:45 PM | I am for it personally.
People who can not be rehabilitated, who are repeat offenders and are incapable of conforming need to face the death penalty. They have had their chance they blew it.. | |
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grog27
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Joined: 2/25/2005
Msg: 592 | |
| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 4/27/2007 9:37:30 PM | "That is a circular argument. You claim it is a punishment not a deterent and then offer as its value as a punishment the fact it deters repeat offenders?"
Wrong. Please READ MORE CAREFULLY. Nowhere did I say that the executed criminals were 'deterred.' They are 'neutralized' or, if you prefer, 'terminated, with extreme prejudice.' Again, 'deterrence' does not even enter the argument, other than as the aforementioned 'red herring.'
Kindly stick to the facts and, if arguing a specific point, kindly be sure that the point you are arguing has actually been stated! Otherwise, it doesn't even qualify as a 'circular argument'; it's more along the lines of starting a brawl in an empty room! | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 4/28/2007 2:58:11 AM |
Wrong. Please READ MORE CAREFULLY. Nowhere did I say that the executed criminals were 'deterred.' They are 'neutralized' or, if you prefer, 'terminated, with extreme prejudice.' Again, 'deterrence' does not even enter the argument, other than as the aforementioned 'red herring.'
So you're arguing from a pure vengeance perspective then? | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 7/24/2007 10:44:35 AM | I am for Capital Punishment-
If you have been sentaced in the state of Illinios they got you with DNA, no heresay..If you did the crime you should be able to to the time...An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth..if you let a person go they just come right back as I've seen time & time again while working for I.D.O.C. and if I can raise 9 without them ending up in the system then that says something about the morals of the bleeding hearts. If they are ill you get help BEFORE it's to late, do not release a ill person out to the general public -for every action there is a reaction. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 7/24/2007 5:50:11 PM | Beershark put it really good. It's cheaper to throw the bum in jail and leave it to rot than to execute it on the off chance the person is innocent, and also it costs MUCH less to lock someone up for life than it is to execute.
I am an advocate of putting all murderers, child molesters and rapists--at the very first offense--in jail for the rest of their lives so that they cannot go back out on the street and harm anyone else.
A druggie with one joint should not be put in jail at all--I am cool with giving a nonviolent possessor of a little bit of pot a fine to pay, like a traffic ticket. That jail space should be reserved for putting violent criminals behind bars for the rest of their lives!!
Someone who possesses a gun ILLEGALLY (not a law abiding hunter) should also be required to return the gun to law enforcement so that the gun could be returned to its rightful owner (the real reason for tracking them), or used for law enforcement training if the rightful owner cannot be found. A fine should be involved, as well. If a violent crime occurs because of the gun, lock him up forever. If it was a simple possession case, get the gun away from the illegal possessor and return it or place it in a needed use, such as for training as I said.
Even though I am against the death penalty, I am NOT soft on criminals. We need to have a strong penal system that keeps these guys locked up and off the streets forever. I think that sending violent criminals off to jail for the rest of their lives is a great way to deter crime. NO MORE slaps of the wrist of three years for rapists and murderers!!!!! NO MORE!!!! Violent criminals should NOT HAVE THE CHANCE to repeat their crimes!! Lock 'em up!!
Oh, and for my last meal I would have a five pound lobsta, fried scallops, Sam Adams Summer Brew, extra crispy french fries, filet mignon, corn on the cob, tomatoes and a chocolate lava cake. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 7/25/2007 1:28:52 AM | I'm for it...but only for the worst of the worse....people who exploite children,psycho-serial killers and rapists,etc
In some cases such as things that are not certain.......to kill someone who has been wrongfully convicted would be a travesty.....I also think letal injection is a ridiculous means of capital punishment..............I think public hanging....or death by firing squad would be a prefered method | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 7/25/2007 1:25:43 PM |
Capital punisment is handed out to those who earn it!
It's called Capital Punishment because it hits you if you don't have capital. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 7/25/2007 8:24:47 PM | Maybe not cancel their tickets, but make prison itself a little more punishing?
No contact with the outside world, no conjugal visits - and who the hell thought that up and why aren't they being caned?
Bland boring food every day, even christmas. | |
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