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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 7/27/2007 11:25:17 PM | | For. As long as the accused gets a five million dollar public funded defense. You want them dead, pay the price to make sure they are scum bags that deserve it. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 7/28/2007 12:44:12 AM | I am for it...its a rare opinion to find here in Canada, but regardless I think that there are certain instances where it is a reasonable option. It should be excedengly difficult for a prosecutor to sucessfully petion the sentence to be, but it should be an option
heres why: In canada we have an individual by the name of Robert Picton. This guy makes Charles Manson look like Barney the Dinosaur. Dozens and Dozens of carcases were found scattered all over his property...apparantly he would order a prostitute, kill her, chop her up and feed her to his pigs. At this time, the man has no yett been convicted, so lets go to someone we know has.
Paul Bernado. The "man" killed 3 Teenage girls, including his sister in law, chopped them up, set them in concrete and sunk them into Lake Ontario...before meeting his recently released from Jail Wife, Carla Holmoka he was a serial Rapist, responsible for the rape of dozens of teenage girls in the Toronto area in the late 80's and early 90's. He is Guilty, he admits he is guilty and he is held in solitary confinement, on an indefinite sentance. Means they dont ever have to let him go. So fine, hes in jail right? Wrong...not only is he in Jail, but in Solitary 23 hrs a day. With limited Internet, Cable TV, laundry service, meals and all sorts of other amenities you cant even get at a 3 star motel. All in all it costs us Canadian taxpayers MORE THAN $1,000,000 annually to keep him breathing while he rots in prison. Why? A gallows costs about 100 bucks and can be reused. A bullet costs about $.15 and putting him into the regular population, who would surley stretch his ***hole to the size of a basketball before brutally beating him to death is free.
That is why I support Capitol Punishment | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 7/28/2007 9:36:59 AM | I am all for the use of capital punishment provided the person has been proven guilty without any doubt. These days with DNA testing, there should be no reason an innocent person should be put to death.
If the authorities are going to bring capital charges on someone, they should pay for the testing to either prove their case or disqualify the accused.
I also think capital punishment should be extended to child predators. They cannot be rehabilitated and will do it again when they get out.
The issue for me is not for the death penalty to be a deterrent - it obviously is not. The issue is that person will never re-offend. Why should we warehouse these people? I, for one, do not want to support them forever. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 8/7/2007 7:35:28 PM | It's a huge myth capital punishment is less taxing financially on society. It is well documented that in jurisdictions where capital punishment is available that the overall cost in dollars to society is higher. There are many reasons for this but the primary reason is the magnitude of legal fees engendered when that sentence is available are extremely expensive. So if cost to society is a primary concern then capital punishment should not be available.
With regards to the point that has been made that the idea of capital punishment is not deterrence but to ensure that the person is not a repeat offender, that can be achieved by sentencing the convict to life in prison without parole. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 8/7/2007 8:00:13 PM | | I agree with Mec above that the fiscal issues surrounding the death penalty make it a waste of taxpayers' money. It is too costly in comparison to life in prison without parole. Just lock 'em up for life! That's what jails are for. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 1/9/2008 11:30:26 AM | | My views on capital punishment are this: yes for violent repeat offenders that have big histories. YES for people that are like Robert Picton. And once he's gone connect the DNA samples from his farm so that the victims families can have some closure. FINALY YES For all of the hard drug dealers that are continually enslaving and poisoning the public. AS A DETERRANT : We should make these executions Public so that ALL People will learn the downfalls of svere criminal behaviour. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 1/9/2008 2:02:25 PM | Up until about 120 years ago, most executions were public. Many were veiwed as something like a festive holiday. I don't think they were really useful as a deterrent, since murders, rape and other crimes continued as they always have.
It has always seemed odd to me that the death penalty was referred to as a punishment. After you kill the person, you can't punish him anymore, so what you are doing is removing him from society, and the same thing can be accomplished with life imprisonment without parole. So the death penalty might be more about revenge than punishment. And I can understand that to a degree, because if somebody murdered someone that I loved or cared about, I would want revenge. But the law is supposed to be about punishment of crime, not revenge.
However, when I see things on the news like I saw this morning, about the terrible death of that hiker in North Georgia, or about the guy who had an argument with his wife and then threw his 4 young children off a bridge, I think that these people should be killed in a slow painful way. But that's just an emotional reaction.
Real punishment would be life with no parole, no coddling, just locked up for 23 hours a day. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 1/10/2008 7:22:23 PM | My views simple. The only crimes that I would be ok with to use capital punishment is capital first degree murder/mass murder/terrorist acts ect, also maybe for attempted murder, but it depends what the situation is and why they are doing it and whether they have any mental/emotional sickness etc.
But killing someone, who did not kill another person, meaning that there was no murder attempt even, let alone murder itself, I just cannot support capital punishment in such a situation. Frankly....to want to kill someone who didn't take another human life would make the person(s) that support capital punishment for them, even lower then they are. (keeping in mind again that I am somewhat ok with it if it's for cold murder of any sort)
I may be old fashioned here, but to me, murder (especially cold blooded) is the big "no no", and that and other forms of cold blooded first degree murder are the only crimes that I could understand using the death penalty. But other crimes that didn't result in murder and that didn't even have attempted murder in them, there is no way I would ever use or justify using the death penalty in such a situation!!
There are other ways you can deal with those other henious crimes, like for example- corporal punishment and not to mention a psychiatric ward for many of them. But not killing. Because then it would be taking a life of someone who hasn't taken a life or let alone hasn't even attempted to... and... by definition, that would be murder!!(Unless it is accidental or in self/loved ones defense etc) | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 1/11/2008 10:28:35 PM | There is no doubt in my mind that some crimes are so dispicable and harmful to society as to deseverve the death penalty. Having said that, there is no government in the world capable of handing down the sentence in anything other than an arbitrary and unfair fashion. It is quite rare to see a person of finacial means sitting on death row. He/she is capable of hiring a "dream team" of attorneys to effectivly challenge often less capable procescutors. An indigent who must make do with a court appointed attorney has no such advantage. Furthermore, whites who are convicted of capital crimes are sentenced to life in prison or less in far greater numbers than people of color who are convicted of similar crimes and sentenced to death.
The state did not even seek the death penalty for OJ Simpson simply because they did not think they could sit a jury of twelve who would needle the juice to The Juice. So they asked for life without parol instead. At the same time they were prosecuting and winning death sentences for criminals in south central LA for very similar crimes.
Simply speaking, we do not have the means or capability to hand down the death penalty fairly and in a non arbitrary fashion. I won't even get into the question of deterence because the statiscs seem to argue both sides of that aspect. And in addition to this, imagine the numbers of civil servents with mentalities not unlike those that you wait in line to see at the DMV processing evidence, appeals and other legal motions which constitute every accused's right to due process as guaranteed in the constitution.
Nope. Much to be fixed before I can get behind the death penalty. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/4/2009 7:50:08 PM | People mention the cost of legal fees in convicting the guilty who could possibly face the death penalty for crimes mentioned in this thread. Well....it's going to cost millions either way. So save the tax payers plenty. Hang of fire the lawyers who rake in the bucks and laugh all the way to vacationland. And the price of a bullet is not $0.15. However....it is less than $2.00.
Just to qualify this statement. My grandmother was one of the last people in Canada to have faced the death penalty for her actions. She was found innocent on the premise that she was protecting her family. They flourished under her once found innocent. And on her passing...the church was packed with grand....great grand...and great great grand children.
She is my hero. And one of the most loving sould that anyone could ever know.
Her case set many prescidents in Canadian law.
As for Paul Brenado....I would personally spend the two bucks necessary to put an end to that pathetic soul.
And Picton...not a dime. Just feed him back to his own pigs. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/4/2009 7:53:00 PM | People mention the cost of legal fees in convicting the guilty who could possibly face the death penalty for crimes mentioned in this thread. Well....it's going to cost millions either way. So save the tax payers plenty. Hang of fire the lawyers who rake in the bucks and laugh all the way to vacationland. And the price of a bullet is not $0.15. However....it is less than $2.00.
Just to qualify this statement. My grandmother was one of the last people in Canada to have faced the death penalty for her actions. She was found innocent on the premise that she was protecting her family. They flourished under her once found innocent. And on her passing...the church was packed with grand....great grand...and great great grand children.
She is my hero. And one of the most loving souls that anyone could ever know.
Her case set many prescidents in Canadian law.
As for Paul Brenado....I would personally spend the two bucks necessary to put an end to that pathetic soul.
And Picton...not a dime. Just feed him back to his own pigs. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/4/2009 8:27:22 PM |
I have aways thought that capital punishment is such a hypocritical way
of solving the problems, that we dealing with in regards to citizens that are
considered to be a danger to society. What are your veiws?
Having two eyes I see more then one view to get the clear picture. The guy who eats peoples brains should die there is no reason for keeping a person who is a sociopath alive I'd sic Dexter on him and child abusers, rapist, and white collar thieves. I also know that some folk are redeemable, had bad breakes, were set up, are not guilty or some other thing the person is "good for" that makes me not think death should be carried out. The Greeks left a cup of posion out so the chioce to die would be with the prisoner and so the state remained free of blood guilt for one of its own. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/4/2009 9:09:03 PM |
I have aways thought that capital punishment is such a hypocritical way
of solving the problems, that we dealing with in regards to citizens that are
considered to be a danger to society. What are your veiws?
I support the use of the death penalty. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/6/2009 11:19:08 PM | I don't understand the logic in purporting to be a civilized society and regularly and consistently executing those who are unable to live peacefully within it. There are numerous reasons why this is so, many of them debatable. Until we are able to come up with a way to responsibly rehabilitiate those who commit serious violent crime, I believe we have the responsibility to lock them safely and humanely away from the rest of free society, for their and our own good.
This does not mean that we should punish and abuse them while they are locked away. Their punishment is the loss of their freedom and that's enough punishment for anyone. While they are locked up, they should have opportunity to pay their debt to society through work, and other self improvement possibilities.
I know many will not agree with my take on capital punishment but I feel in my heart that it is profoundly wrong. It is akin to telling a child not to hit his playmates, and then walking over and knocking him down physically or hurting him seriously when he does. Trying to stamp out violence with violence does not compute. It is illogical, imo. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/7/2009 7:48:14 AM | "...those who are unable to live peacefully within (a civilized society)..."
Those who are truly 'unable' to live in a peaceful society are sent to facilities where they are treated until or unless they are able to stand trial.
Those who willingly, purposely go outside the laws of a civil society are sent to prision. Those who willfully take the life of another should receive the death penalty, in my opinion, with few exceptions.
That 'loss of freedom' in prision is questionable. Three meals a day, television, library and computers, the opportunity to earn an education, literacy programs, workout rooms, exercise programs, counseling services, medical services, religious services--for many prisoners, those are a major improvement in their lives.
Trying to stamp out violence with violence does not compute.
Really?
Going to war is an example of using violence to combat violence.
Lethal injections do not fit the definition of 'violent'. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/10/2009 8:27:14 PM |
People mention the cost of legal fees in convicting the guilty who could possibly face the death penalty for crimes mentioned in this thread. Well....it's going to cost millions either way. So save the tax payers plenty. Hang of fire the lawyers who rake in the bucks and laugh all the way to vacationland. And the price of a bullet is not $0.15. However....it is less than $2.00.
So you advocate not only summary exeutions but the mass murder of defense lawyers.
My grandmother was one of the last people in Canada to have faced the death penalty for her actions. She was found innocent on the premise that she was protecting her family. They flourished under her once found innocent. And on her passing...the church was packed with grand....great grand...and great great grand children.
Under your own system your grandmother would have been killed | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/11/2009 11:16:40 PM |
My views on capital punishment are this: yes for violent repeat offenders that have big histories. YES for people that are like Robert Picton. And once he's gone connect the DNA samples from his farm so that the victims families can have some closure. FINALY YES For all of the hard drug dealers that are continually enslaving and poisoning the public. AS A DETERRANT : We should make these executions Public so that ALL People will learn the downfalls of svere criminal behaviour.
It has actually been proven to NOT be an effective deterrent.
Having two eyes I see more then one view to get the clear picture. The guy who eats peoples brains should die there is no reason for keeping a person who is a sociopath alive I'd sic Dexter on him and child abusers, rapist, and white collar thieves
Dexter is one himself….so murder is ok as long as you murder BAD people?
I know many will not agree with my take on capital punishment but I feel in my heart that it is profoundly wrong. It is akin to telling a child not to hit his playmates, and then walking over and knocking him down physically or hurting him seriously when he does. Trying to stamp out violence with violence does not compute. It is illogical, imo.
I for one completely agree with you. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/12/2009 12:01:45 AM |
I support the death penalty. I say hang em at sunup the day after conviction.
I support the speedy trial and execution of Bush Sr. and Jr. for crimes against humanity...if we toss in Cheney, Rumsfeld, the senior executive of Bechtel like Bakker, Schultz and several of the joint Chiefs under the watches of these men and Reagan we could probably clear up the US debt on the admission tickets alone if we ran it like "The Running Man"
Help keep down the politician population, have your politicians spayed or neutered...I'm Drew Carey for "The Running Man" (since Richard Dawson, God rest him, is no longer with us and Bob is retired)
I know the ghosts of tens of thousands of Central Americans won't rest easy until we do.
It's not a deterrent... but at least a couple less of them will show up at the next board meeting to count their dividends while using the world's poor as a footstool. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/14/2009 8:51:15 AM | I didn't read the 25 pages of posts, so I'll simply give my opinion:
I'm against Capital Punishment. If administered to an innocent person, it can't be corrected. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/25/2009 8:26:57 PM | I'm for it, if you run around town shooting, hurting and killing people you deserve to die. Take a life then you must forfeit your own.
Additionally, I believe the the Young Offenders Act should be scrapped, these days you can't blame childrens actions on ignorance. | |
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| Capital Punishment~ for or against?
Posted: 2/26/2009 1:22:05 AM | If you valorize killing people by killing people, then you shouldn't be surprised that people think it's OK to kill people.
Do as I say, not as I do, usually doesn't work.
We cheapen the value of human life by taking it....as a society. In the US we have a shocking disregard for human life...all life in fact. Taking it is celebrated in sickening ways.
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