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LadyO
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Joined: 8/26/2004
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/24/2004 11:56:36 PM | You know,
It's kind of disheartening when you post something that you feel is rather intelligent, polite and educational and still have people message you and tell you how idiotic you are and how stupid and irrelevant your whole post was.
And to think, what I posted came from me. And I'm not even Christian. *rolls her eyes* Yea, this world is amazing sometimes. I wish people would take a chance and read what I put up you know, without assuming that I'm some Christian bible thumper and do-gooder. I'm not. Gahr... | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/25/2004 1:10:03 AM | its some thing normal for any people to try to press their (not only religous beliefs) but also
any idea that they believe its true , but i dont think its a good idea to try to force the idea on
other people , you can call others to your believe and stop (thats it), for example in islam
its recommended to call others to enter in to islam , but if they refuse then its their decision
and no harm should touch them from muslims side because of that , infact in islam muslims
are supposed to protect people from other religions especilly people of the book (christians &jews) , because they have some kind of previlage , after all they believe in god & the last day , and they believe in the books of god exept jews who dont believe in jesus but they do
believe in the prophets of god of old times before jesus , and because of that we as muslims
cant treat the people of the book the same as the people of other religions like for example
hindos , magoos (warshipers of fire) , budists ...etc,
but some might say if that is true , then.. how can you explain what happened in 11/9/, the accident of the towers , first of all , there is a quote saying , (never judge any religion by the action of its people with out the referance to their books) , i thing you understood what i mean , this means that bin laben dosent stand for islam , no body gave him the right to talk in the name of islam , islm is telling some thing and bin laden is doing some thing else ,
ill give an example , im sure that every body heared in the news about those priest who was
arrested in the crime of raping young kids , but if you go back to bible you will not find such thing as an acceptable thing , but on the contrary its a big sin , the same in islam , killing one soul is the same as killing all people on earth (and you will find this in quran). | |
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koiguy
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Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 53 | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/25/2004 11:33:06 AM | Hi Jimi,
I was going to adress your comments about Ben Franklin but as I read the other posts someone else already did.As for Paine,while he may not be considered a founding father,his publication Common Sense rose awareness for the common people about the unjust totalitarian practices of the British Crown and inspired many to follow the rebellion.He was an early media man.
Franklin may have spoken about the need for religion but it doesn't mean that he himself was a follower.He was a member of the old Freethinkers which I believe was the forunner of Secular Humanism.
Most of the founding fathers were Freemasons and one of the prerequisites for being a FM is a belief in a supreme being.
I don't discount the importance of religion to people.I'm just very uncomfortable when religious right uses it as a political platform. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/25/2004 11:39:42 AM | i will bet you that theres a chritian funded mission in you town taking care of the poor.. and that they feed over half the worlds poor just to name a few things. good point!
There are but that wasn't what I was talking about.It just seems to me that those that are screaming "Get America back to God and Christian values" can't see the forrest for the trees.
All morality hangs on economics.Proverbs states, "The love of money is the root of all evil".Read Article 1 Section 10 in the US Constitution and ask yourself why would a Christian minister,who helped write the Constitution be so concerned with how money is minted and what is used as money? | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/25/2004 2:35:18 PM | ariraph,
I read one of your postings in the religion column, and I loved it. Just wanted to let you know I respect all the things you said and totally agree! I grew up in a house where my dad was Hindu, from Trinidad, and my mom is Italian, Roman Catholic.
Just wish there were more people that thought like you!!
Take care! | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 12/15/2004 1:50:46 PM | "Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?"
Why does a doctor feel the need to tell a terminally ill patient that they are going to die?
Why does an environmentalist feel the need to tell us we need to stop polluting?
Why does a soldier die on the field of battle for millions of people he's never met?
Why does a missionary give up a good life in America to go live in a third-world country, in some cases risking death, to save the soul of a savage?
So, "Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?" In short, because they believe it's THE RIGHT THING TO DO, regardless of whether or not you do. More specifically, however, they do it because they are commanded by God to do it. It is a part of who they are and everything they believe. In fact, you may even have to call into question how genuine a Christian's faith really is, if they DO NOT tell others about Christ.
Mark 16:15 is deemed the Great Commission. It was a proclamation given by Christ, and it reads:
"Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature"
Here are another couple of verses which you might find interesting:
"Why call you me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6;46)
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but to us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)
"The harvest truly is plentious, but the laborers are few; pray therefore the Lord of the harvest, that the will send forthe laborers into his harvest" (Matthew 9:37,38)
And now some quotes by prominent Christians:
"Have you no wish for others to be saved? Then you are not saved yourself. Be sure of that." Charles Spurgeon
"If you do not make it a matter of study, how you may successfully act in building up the kingdom of Christ, you are acting a very wicked and absurd part as a Christian." Charles Finney | |
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koiguy
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Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 59 | |
| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 12/15/2004 2:05:20 PM | | I did not start this post for people who sit down with me and tell me what is so great about the Bible I started this post for the people who tell me I am wrong, my religon is wrong, I am going to hell if I live a great life helping people but do not believe that christanity is the end all be all. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 12/17/2004 1:33:53 PM | koiguy-
here is an excerpt from a post i made in a different forum. however, i think it applies here as well.
"much damage has been done to the cause of the gospel by telling the world that they will go to hell "because they don't believe in Jesus." This makes no sense to the ungodly. It seems unreasonable that God would eternally d*mn them for not believing something. However, it can be explained more simply this way: if a man jumps out of a plane without a parachute, he will perish becasue he transgressed the law of gravity. Had he put a parachute on, he would've been saved. In one sense, he perished b/c he didn't put on the parachute. But the primary reason he died was b/c he broke the law of gravity.
If a sinner refuses to trust in Jesus Christ when he dies, he will perish. This isn't b/c he refused to trust the Savior, but b/c he transgressed the Law of God. Had he "put on the Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 13:14), he would've been saved; but b/c he refused to repent, he will suffer the full consequences of his sin. Once more, sin is not "failing to believe in Jesus." Sin is "transgression of the Law" (1 John 3:4)."
Furthermore, a Christian, by himself isn't good. Jesus said that only God is good. The only "goodness," or righteousness, that the believer has comes from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21; Phillippians 3:9). The Bible tells us that, without Christ, man is corrupt and filthy; "there is none that does good, no, not one" (Psalm 14:3) | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/2/2005 1:36:44 PM | When people impose their will on others it is with an agenda, and usually it is an agenda of empowerment.
The Innuit have a saying: "When you came here you gave us your Bible and told us to close our eyes. When we opened our eyes, we had your Bilble and you had our land."
Families are torn apart by religions or sects thereof. Yet people like Buddha, Jesus, Moses, Zoroaster, Baha'u'llah all went out into the populace and did their level best to get people to get along and accept their differences.
The best argument to make in favour of any religion would have to be to live and let live.
Jesus called it loving your neighbour as you did yourself. There was no mention of conditions for that love... | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 6:52:21 PM | Ok well I personally do not force my views on others....Dont know if that makes me a good or bad christian, but I believe that we were all given free will, and how we use it is up to us...In the end if one religion is better than the rest, if their GOD is truer than others, well I guess we will all find out....
I believe what I believe, and would preffer to hang with those folks who do too, but I am not judgemental, or I guess racist against those of other beleifes and ways of life...i dont think that we should be forced to accept anyones idea of whats right....That goes for all religions, and or groups, like gay/lesbian, or any other faction...I think that we should all be aloud to believe what we chose, to practice our own religion as we chose, and to live life in peace without the fear of others judgement....
IT IS NOT OUT PLACE TO SIT IN JUDGEMENT OF OTHERS, IT IS GOD WHO SITS IN JUDGEMENT.... | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/2/2005 7:00:15 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Kewt's Got It^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I respect others beliefs and if they ask me why I am so happy or why I am never down, I tell em. But only if they ask.
Not everyone wants to smack you into religious submission, I'll buy you a coffee and talk, you have to make a choice not me, Mine is all done 
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/2/2005 7:22:29 PM | "Why does a missionary give up a good life in America to go live in a third-world country, in some cases risking death, to save the soul of a savage? "
To read a line like this in this day and age is almost laughable. It certainly is insulting.
When European missionaries came to the Americas, they referred to American Indians as savages. It was in our school history books. They destroyed entire cultures and nations. Some were totally wiped out.
The "savages" as Canadian Mi'kmaq writer and Elder Daniel L. Paul points out were never the Indians. The savages carried a book they claimed was the word of God, a book that gave them dominion over them as it did over the earth. Today we know the end results of that.
A line like the one above shows that we are still back in 1492. Yes, that would be when Columbus tied a young Native girl to a tree and raped her and then killed her.
How dare anyone write such a line! | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/2/2005 7:59:12 PM | to koiguy, i didin't have the time to read all the postings, but i'll reply to yours.
I think Christianity can't help itself. Throughout the ages, they've done what you speak of on various degrees and scales...I just think it is in their nature to try to assimilate, and not convert; though we have different laws than the olden days, so they've somewhat been restricted now. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/3/2005 6:27:51 AM | | If you don't believe in it then you are not a Christian. Thanks Jimi you really stated things well. I have never met a christian that tried to force their belief on anyone. All the ones I have ever met merely stated their beliefs when asked or someone showed interest. I don't believe anyone is trying to convert anyone by force in any way from the Christain end but merely put themselves out in the world to allow others to accept or reject as they see fit. Many Islamic,Moslems on the other hand believe that all infidels should be killed or forcefully converted. That is where terrorisim has its strongest proponents. And if you have any doubt about the difference between conversions in Islam and Christ then check out what has been going on in Sudan for the past 12 years. The Christians there are typical of Christians around the world and they are persecuted, tortured, sold as slaves, executed, and imprisoned by Islamic Muslims. Not once have the Christians there fought back or tried to force their belief on the Islamic Muslims. The persecution happens because the Islamic Muslims don't want any Christians in their country including their own people. So who is it that shoves their beliefs down the throats of others? By the way in most predominantly Islamic Muslim countries you are under the threat of death should you want to look at a bible, mention the name of Jesus, or in any way want to investigate Christianity. I wonder if most of you really know what you are talking about. Of course someone will wonder if I know what I am talking about too. I think Jesus said it for me. " The world hates me and becasue you follow me they will hate you more." | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/3/2005 6:43:59 AM | "The world hates me and becasue you follow me they will hate you more."
What a neat little package that one is!
The fundamental Muslims who impose their wills on the world around them run contrary to Mohammad's words: "What! Would you compel men that they should believe? God alone causes men that they should believe, and he will send down his wrath on those who will not understand!"
As for Christians being persecuted, that does happen, and it is wrong. But, then, on this very thread a Christian referred to some of God's people as "savages" and where is the Christian outcry?
The sad facts of history are self-evident: Christians came to the Americas, Bible in hand, and the so-called savages have all been abused, tortured, murdered, their cultures taken from them, and those who have been apprised of it resist it now. In some cases, resistance came too late, as with the Beothuks.
In countries such as the Philippines families have been turned one against the other by Christian fundamentalists. In Canada, investigative reporters have proved without a doubt that the same still occurs on Reserves, which were the original idea behind South Africa's Apartheid regime.
Christians most certainly impose their wills on others. And the one way in which they do it is by telling the world that if everybody does not accept Jesus then they are going to hell. Then they wonder why people resist?
Jesus was a lover of people, not a segregationist. He was not impressed with wealth or governmental powers. He went out among the people and loved them all equally, as have done all the Great Prophets and Teachers of history.
Mohammad spoke reverently of Jesus, Whom He addressed as the "Spirit." Some of His followers are an insult to His words and teachings. Muslims who understand need to speak out, though fear possibly prevents some from doing that. But fear has forever been the big tool of Christians too, for anyone with a shred of historical knowledge,from the Crusades to the burning of witches in Salem, to the wholesale destruction of most of the Aboriginal cultures and spiritual beliefs of the planet.
If anyone wants to learn about spirituality or the eco-system, go sit down with an Indian Elder, the ones not yet tainted by organized religion! | |
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Posted: 1/4/2005 9:11:46 AM | Those are the words of Jesus after they were neatly packaged and doctored by someone with one heck of an agenda, an agenda so presumptuous that a world can be d*mned except a chosen few, those who adhere to the package!
There is still great debate as to whether Jesus was an actual historical figure, let alone someone who uttered those words!
Nothing like a hunter giving himself a license to hunt indiscriminantly, never mind that only one kind of animal should be spared, that one being the animal the issuer of licenses wrote to accomodate his pursuits! | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/4/2005 3:03:58 PM | | I don't know where you get your historical facts but you are mistaken. Perhaps your information is outdated. Never the less I believe in God and His son Jesus and so do a lot of other people. I have heard all the arguments before even the ones that you espouse. In fact I was once one of the people doing the arguing trying to convince Christians they are wrong. I may have even been you. I thank God that He opened my eyes and nothing you could ever say or do will ever change that. I hope that one day He will open your eyes as well. May God bless you even if you don't want it. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/4/2005 5:30:24 PM |
Those are the words of Jesus after they were neatly packaged and doctored by someone with one heck of an agenda, an agenda so presumptuous that a world can be d*mned except a chosen few, those who adhere to the package!
There is still great debate as to whether Jesus was an actual historical figure, let alone someone who uttered those words!
Poetic, once again, the words of Jesus were never doctored. You continue to make this assertion, yet you utterly fail to back it up with anything that resembles evidence. The evidence in favor of the historical accuracy and reliability of the eyewitness accounts of Jesus ministry is overwhelming: if you're interested, I can provide. The only debate about Jesus' historical nature is among conspiracy theorists and fringe wackos. There hasn't been any scholarly debate about the accuracy of the Gospel accounts in our lifetimes. Please, let this myth die!
As to adherence to the package, it isn't as if there's any uncontrollable limits. There is no intelligence limit, birthright limit, hair-color limit, etc. The only limit to acceptance of God is you -- your own choice. If you choose to accept Him as ruler of your life, then God accepts you, no questions asked. There's no application form, there's no interviews to go to, there's no license you have to get your eyes tested for. God gave us free will; He gave us the ability to accept Him or to reject Him. Your call. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 7:15:59 AM | [Those are the words of Jesus after they were neatly packaged and doctored by someone with one heck of an agenda, an agenda so presumptuous that a world can be d*mned except a chosen few, those who adhere to the package!]
I have been thinking about this and come to the conclusion that you are right. Someone did create a package with an agenda. That was God that created that package and His agenda is reclaim the world of people that He lost to the lies of Satan. The pacakge that He doctored and created was Jesus Christ His son. In Gods owns words it is His desire that none should perish. So if indeed you become d*mned by not accepting the "package" then that was your choice. Jesus also said that He is the way the truth and the life... To know the truth about all of us is to know Jesus who is the truth above and beyond all others. Of course I know that you will reject these thoughts but others may not so I thought I would share anyway. | |
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