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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 2:52:45 AM | "I can tolerate other people's faith views to an extent but stupid cults ..."
That about sums up the approach of many Christians toward others. In fact, Christianity is intollerant across the board. Meanwhile, Christianity can claim this:
Jesus was God.
He was born of a virgin.
He is the only way.
He raised the dead.
He rose from the dead.
He multiplied bread and fish.
He turned water into wine.
He ascended to heaven body and soul.
Now, assuming any other belief system made equal claims
about their beliefs, and were as vocal about it as
Christians are about theirs, what we would get is exactly
what the quote above says: it would be laughed at
as being a "stupid cult."
"I pray that people like yourselves realize the truth which only THE LORD JESUS CHRIST has and IS."
That closing line sums it up neatly for Christians: no matter what you believe
in, in the end we have you beat. Ours is the only way, and we will invalidate
you. We won't necessarily be literate or scientific about it, but we will invalidate
you. Given a chance we will also overpower you, steal your own system from
you, along with your language, your culture, and as has been done billions of times,
your very life, if need be. But we will prevail!
Jesus is called the Prince of Peace. Yet what peace does Christianity bring? | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 6:14:11 AM | | Let me explain something here that non Christians and many Christians themselves don't understand. "those who are led by the SPIRIT OF GOD are the sons of God." In other words, I can tell you about Jesus till you're blue in the face how he died on the cross and rose again 3 days later, having taken the keys of sin and death from Satan and hell. BUUUUUUUTTTTT, if I did that, you would say "ok" and nod your head and go on your own path. I CAN NOT CONVERT YOU; NO CHRISTIAN CAN CONVERT A NON CHRISTIAN. It's all done by the Holy Spirit. He has a way of showing how Father God created a Son in LOVE, because we could never get to Heaven by religion. (Religion is man seeking God; Christianity is God seeking man). But I will say almost every single event that was predicted in the Bible to occur here on earth has come to pass. I can't make you believe in something you can't see. But Jehovah God, Adonai, Ywh, whichever you call him is Spirit. He has no form, no gender. But He does have a heart. And only he can express what's in His heart. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 6:27:30 AM | jerryc79,
Thank you for your post.
I believe in God. People from all corners of the Earth have believed in some higher power.
There have been visionaries and prophets in every culture. These teachers, however they came to be, have served humanity, much as teachers in schools do.
Beyond their place in the scheme of things, though, all Great Teachers came and went. Not one of Them ever placed Himself/Herself above others, nor did They discount the inherent realities or merits found in others of the Ilk.
I can understand people giving us examples of Teachers, and why they have made a
difference, but to insist that only one Teacher had an Ultimate Basis for being is to
not only invalidate the other systems of beliefs, it is to invalidate the very minds each and every one of us possesses.
If, in the end, the approach is that God will find us, and God will be the Father of Jesus, but not the Father of Moses and Buddha, then we will find it hard to have peace. Peace is the ultimate proof that we have learned. Jesus may have lost his temper, but he would not have killed. Gandhi would not either. And the list goes on.
If God is Love, and love has to be given unconditinally, then we must allow for others and their beliefs without conditions. If we cannot do that, why should we expect others to not impose conditions on our beliefs?
I understand very well that to zealots any kind of questioning is tantamount to a challenge which can only be met with more resistance. But questions are how we learn. Listen to the small child, with his/her, "But why?" Then look at each and every one of us as little more than a larger child, also with questions, questions to which there will eventually be answers.
In the Book of Life, there are books of life, and one book belong to each individual. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 6:52:07 AM | The Holy Bible tells us that there is no condemnation in Christ. If a Christian is pointing the finger and talking down to people who have different views, then God will deal with them. Jesus told everyone to let the way you are living your life be an example for all to see. He said to "Love one another as I have loved you"!!!! We walk in the light as God gives us to see the light and the light is ever changing.
*"I know that as part of his plan--as part of our growth--God may allow us to go through trials
in a sorting out period, a cleansing, a purification time when we are often forced to
make new life decisions based upon our current faith and trust in him."
*From 'Embraced By The Light Prayers and Devotions For Daily Living' by Betty J. Eadie
Scripture is from Nahum 1:7
"The Lord is good, a stronghold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him" | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 9:11:23 AM | | Taurus, Once again, to be a Christian is being confused with religious and zealot. I agree, First Bap. has way too much influence here in Jax. My family's current situation is a case in point....you know the situation...as Christians, we are told to forgive and understand....as people,we are not without failings common to everyone. Understanding fails. That is when we turn to our faith. No, there is no way any faith should be forced down anyone's throat...but please, don't lump us all in the same basket. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 11:57:54 AM | and believing in something that no one has proof that of ever existing.. isnt bogus?? you are just looking for scapegoats in whats wrong with todays societies.. the real problem are the people that think that they are better then everyone else.. and should bow to them..
based on some of their doctrines which seem irrational, illogical, demeaning to others and simply bogus) without any positive use and application, that give rise to superstitions and stupid bogus ideas ummm.. that sounds just like christianity and the bible | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 12:02:10 PM | based on some of their doctrines which seem irrational, illogical, demeaning to others and simply bogus) without any positive use and application, that give rise to superstitions and stupid bogus ideas
ummm.. that sounds just like christianity and the bible
Back that up with some examples PakanaHerruus | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 1:53:12 PM | | well its like people are supposed to believe all this stuff thats told to them in the bible.. that would normally sound absurb(in life with out religon..like believing in the easter bunny or santa clause) yet anything the bible says is supposed to make sense.. but then when some other religion has there own book for there own practices.. to christians.. there books are absolutley absurd.. | |
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jimi77
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 2:39:25 PM | panka.. I have read many life after death testimonies.. my mother a nurse has told me of people coming back from death screaming they had been in hell.. to mention a few. If these people dont follow the comands or at least repent.. is GOd in them.. I think not.
If GOD will not tolerate evil and must punish it.. as it is a form of rebellion against him. And he word says.. depart from me I never knew you.. in the end judgment.. then it is safe to say .. he will not be with you in hell..
Panka.. you said “im told i am an evil person” God says we are all evil not one is good. So with that if you have broken any law that any God commands you keep.. then where dose that leave you? A sinner.. and a sin is evil in GODs sight. So if you’re a sinner.. how do you get pardoned.. God says he must punish sin.. and that is fair.. is it not.. should a judge let off a man that has committed a crime? If he is a fair judge he will punish the crime for the victims sake so the victim gets justice.
Even if you don’t belive in God that does not make him a reality.. I have never seen my brain.. but I know I have one. the proof is my thoughts actions and deeds. How much more proof is there of GOD with all that is around you | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 3:03:47 PM | | if you bang your head hard enough on the ground.. you may see your brain.. then again you wont :/ .. but from television and even disturbing websites.. we have seen peoples brains before.. therefore we know they exist.. its not faith that we know we have brains.. its science.. what in science can you do to know that god exist.. i guess bang your head really really really hard on the ground.. and if you meet him.. then he exist.. if he doesnt.. oh well.. your still Fucked.. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 3:10:13 PM | "God says he must punish sin..."
Where, exactly, did God make such a pronouncement and to whom?
If we answer it's in the Bible and the inspired word of God, then how is that
proved? If people penned it, how does that authenticate it as anything but
something people have written?
As long as we insist on promoting this fear of God we will keep the masses in line.
God, to me, is Love, and Love is never to be feared! | |
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Loukus
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Joined: 2/15/2004
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 3:54:39 PM | I'm not sure about that.
The bible says that Wisdom begins with the Fear of the Lord.
It makes perfect sense for an element of that fear to be, straight-out fear, we call it Numinous.
Plus, if you consider pascal's wager with this, Wisdom coming from fear of the lord fits perfectly. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 4:05:26 PM | The only ones I that I for obvious reason do not regard as valid whatsoever like Tantra where they say to reach enlightenment you must have sex, thats a load of crap, I think many if you think about it would agree. There are many other Cults that are clearly (based on some of their doctrines which seem irrational, illogical, demeaning to others and simply bogus) without any positive use and application, that give rise to superstitions and stupid bogus ideas like "sacred sex", think about this, even many Philisophers and ancient philosophers would agree with me on this, it's simply laughable and stupid without any direction and true goal, and what these cults are doing are playing "lets pretend". But over all, most faiths have good intentions and good will and at this day in age I can respect and admire that alot.
while i think you were at least trying to pay lip service to the idea of having respect for others' beliefs, you destroyed that with this second paragraph. what you are REALLY saying is that you can only have respect for belief systems that you have judged to be "valid". the fact that you do not understand, or do not agree with a particular philsosphy does not make it invalid or stupid. i can completely agree with the idea of sex being sacred, and i could reference quite a few sources from history to support that, not that you'd listen. sex is a powerful force in the lives of almost all living creatures, possibly the most powerful force, and influences a great deal of human behavior. it can be a particularly intense way to connect with another person, on many levels. it can be a very spiritual experience, that can take you outside yourself. one of the things that i loathe about the christian doctrine is the denegration of the physical world, and sex in particular. there is nothing wrong with using a physical means to connect with the spiritual. tantrism a very old philosophy, and is widely accepted in some parts of the world. it is not your place to question the validity, intentions, or directions of another philosophy. once again, this is arrogance. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 4:37:02 PM | and who gives you this amazing power of being right all the time.. thats really some head you have there on your shoulders.. how can you be so judgemental on something you know nothing about.. to me christianity is the biggest load of sh*t.. but i dont express that.. i keep it to myself..
It is NOT THE MOST POWERFUL way of attaining happiness, if it was wouldn't every person be fully entitled to having it at will, WITHOUT BEING REJECTED OVER TRIVIAL THINGS?
You bet. But obviously thats not the case, and you should think about what you telling me because it is selfish self-centred and materialistic, and hurtful to single people or people who don't have any sex. PLUS you know you can't use material things to gain SPIRITUAL attainments. who are you to decide what pleases others.. other then yourself.. who are you to judge anyone? you telling everyone that these beliefs are bullsh*t.. is just as hurtful to them.. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 4:38:33 PM | | Sex is sacred! It is a sacred instutition and a sacred act both created and sanctioned by God Himself. Any deviation from His plan is an abomination in the sight of God. Now with that said I have always wondered why we were all made with such a strong sexual desire? With the desire that has been placed in us it is really hard to behave correctly all the time espically when we are younger. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 4:41:25 PM | "Tantra is a load of crap, and any other materialistic superficial cult asswell."
Is that supposed to be an enlightened statement?
People's sexuality defnes them, whether they participate in sexual activities or not. The greatest artists and thinkers of all time have said that art is displaced sexual energy, and there may very well be something to that.
Couples who are in love, for example, have reached what is often referred to as states of ecstasy. In some circles, sex is absolutely seen as spiritual, and it is possibly the closest thing to heaven we have in the physical realm.
Sex cannot be taken out of the equation on this plane. It is not dirty, but it is natural, and nobody arrived here without it having been present.
To say that something is crap is to invalidate the people who live by it. Is Christianity crap?
What we far too often overlook in our arguments is the invalidation of others. This is always wrong. There is a distinct difference between questioning something and denegrading it!
When we do not understand someone else we are wise to look into it. Simply slamming it without any investigation shows us not for our progressive minds, but possibly for our regressive and repressive thinking. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 4:48:27 PM | "All I'm saying is ONE DOES NOT NEED TO HAVE SEX TO BE ENLIGHTENED AND FULLFILLED."
This would be true, at least insofar as your take on life is, and that is acceptable. But you referred to someone else's beliefs as crap, and in doing that you presented a superior posturing.
Do unto others... | |
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jimi77
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Joined: 7/13/2004
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 1/12/2005 5:06:58 PM | | first off I never said "God says he must punish sin..." I said GOD must punish sin.. and show me one case in the bible were he does not.. other then when forgiven by the blood of christ. time and time again you can see the people become evil and god bring judgment against them. it is all through the bible. what happens if you break the ten commandments? what were they for ? what happen to mosas and the isrealites when he came down from the mountin and they were worshiping the bull .. they never set foot in the promise land for there sin. why did JESUS have to die and live a perfect life.. | |
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