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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/21/2005 6:51:01 PM | | taurus, you still aren't getting it. i guess you are a little too intellectual to really see that that shit doesn't have to make any sense. you talk about a case involving a muslim. whole different story. most christians don't see muslims as "devil-worshippers", something you hear all the time from the ignorant if you are a pagan. that lets you in for a whole lot of crap that those of the other non-christian faiths don't have to put up with, although there is still the prejudice that goes with race etc. we have to deal with a different level of unnacceptability because of the "devil" shit that gets put off on us. if someone starts picking on jews, or beating up muslims, the media(if not the law) would be all over it. let someone beat up a witch, and see who gives a shit. the various forms of paganism are just recently coming out of the closet, and barely beginning to achieve some sort of tenuous respectability, in spite of the fluffies and hollywood's sensationalism (i.e. lies). we don't get the same respect form the law and the media as do those who are part of a "real" religion. we usually get taken about as seriously as a 13-year-old with a nose ring and a mohawk - and mickey mouse ears... | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/21/2005 7:37:05 PM | Sidhe, Perhap's you could explain how one persicution is diffrent from another? Or how your bitterness is better than their's. Diana dispises slavery as the death of the spirit, and how your "edjucating" EVERYONE (including myself) in how "ignorant" we are. Perhap's it's time you take another look at your Pagan Tradition, I seriously doubt they condone such behaivur
Misspelled yes...but Im sure you understand...
Love is the Law, like it r lump it  | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/21/2005 8:03:19 PM | there's a distinct difference between bitterness and anger. as far as "one persecution " being different from another, i don't know what you are talking about. sounds paranoid. are you still pissed because i told you about the apostrophe s thing? yer still doing it, btw.
not a wiccan, so i do not feel the need to make nice when it comes to those who would pick on those people who aren't just like themselves.
why did you all of a sudden feel like you needed to attempt to chastise me? pretty funny. anyway, i was talking to taurus.
i am entitled to my feelings, have the right to voice them, and if you don't like it, you can go sit on an obelisk - and spin. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/22/2005 1:45:57 AM | Im talking about the "muslim" post...Ill type very slowly now....How...ya with me so far hun? Is....One persicution.....different....from...another?
You want religious freedom then it must be granted to all, not just a few. You say my last post was laughable, but something tell's me your not laughing...
When all you put out, is negativity, all your going to get back is negitivity, wow you should REALLY know this stuff.... | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/22/2005 2:08:27 AM | You know Sidhe, in the old day's we were instructed to tell the Chistian's that our father son and holy ghost were 3 devils, and the "ruff" time's may be ahead where history come's full circle, where our lady teaches us the Poison Medicine again, Diana has CURSED us! Am I the only one who see's that??!!
The element's beckon it, the earth shake's, and wave's come, the air grow's stagnate and bitter, and forrest fire's the muzzle's of rifle's and bomb's. The Goddess is alive alright...and shes packin heat baby! I beleive the curse can be stayed. This is a test, to see if we can handle so much power. It's been given for a reason. Each religion has been given for a reason. It's own lil peice of the puzzle perhap's.
Do you honestly think that I just want to "make nice?" Woman I want my child to have a world like I did, and if that mean's swallowing my pride, and "makeing nice" then yeah, that's EXACTLY what I mean to do, Untill such time as the goddess herself return's to me, just as she did the night I became a witch. Then....and ONLY then will all hope be lost, OLNY then does it become "us or them" In the meantime, they are fellow earther's.......
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/22/2005 6:44:37 AM | we don't get the same respect form the law and the media as do those who are part of a "real" religion. we usually get taken about as seriously as a 13-year-old with a nose ring and a mohawk - and mickey mouse ears...
A lot will depend on how you present yourselves.If you present yourself as an irresponsible misfit who is just whining,then yes,no one will take you seriously.However,if you present yourself as an intelligent,worthwhile individual with something to contribute to the community,then that changes things.You're wrong if you think the same prejudices don't exist for Muslims.After 9/11 they not only got the rap for being Devil worshippers,they got the rap for being terrorists.
As much as I dislike the anal ACLU,there are attorneys from there who can and will help.Discrimination against anyone regarding race,creed,color,religion or sex is just wrong.
If all else fails,move to California. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/22/2005 10:17:52 AM | Because if people 2,000 years ago didn't believe in it and pass it along...you wouldn't be hearing about it now. And, perhaps without Christianity or goodness we never would have go this far and this question would be moot or not being asked due to all the fighting.
Some people dedicated their lives to passing this along for 1500 years - word-of-mouth- (Perhaps...well..scrolls) before the printing press..and LONG before the 5.99 walmart NIV bible. (there are some documents that weren't added to the bible)
I feel better around people that take care of their bodies and others around them due to wanting heaven or fear of hell. Or, just to "do the right thing." I admit it. I like heaven on earth and milk and honey. Vita dulche? sweet life?
Be content with your wages. (Jesus' answer to the soldiers) hmmmm
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In the twilight and night..my eyes play tricks on me...lighting up a torch and shooting up a flare. Whoa, its like beer goggles..this world...Or, a woman that takes off her make up (LOL) Hoping it isn't a Coyote Ugly world. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/22/2005 7:08:08 PM | have about had it with you, w.e. can you say...spell-check? didn't think so. apparently you don't read any better than you spell, because if you did, you wouldn't be spouting crap about one persecution being different...
one more time, so maybe you will get it. when those of other faiths are persecuted, they are taken seriously if they complain, because they belong to what are considered to be recognised religions. paganism is barely starting to gain respect and recognition as a religion. this problem is aggravated by the disinformation put out by the church, and the people who run around doing silly things making the rest of us look bad.
taurus, you are right. there are a lot of us who don't run around in black robes, etc., running their mouths about being off to catch a fresh newt for the old cauldron. like i said before, we need a lot more pagans, of the serious variety. don't think cali would be much better, as far as that goes. moved to minnesota. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/22/2005 11:19:38 PM | Sidhe, I wont argue with you anymore, except just to tell you that if you want to fight for what you believe in, Then perhaps's you should include all who want it in your struggle, Allies are won in such ways...
I know of many "real" Witches who use Robes in their spell work and other Rites, and cauldrons the whole 9 yard's in some cases...
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/23/2005 7:32:22 AM |
I know of many "real" Witches who use Robes in their spell work and other Rites, and cauldrons the whole 9 yard's in some cases...
so do i. if you had bothered to read, you might have figured out that that wasn't what i was talking about. i was talking about the ones who wear that shit all the time, and do and say things just to try and scare the normals. getting tired of going over this. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/23/2005 10:52:55 AM | there are a lot of us who don't run around in black robes, etc., running their mouths about being off to catch a fresh newt for the old cauldron. like i said before, we need a lot more pagans, of the serious variety. don't think cali would be much better, as far as that goes. moved to minnesota.
Cali accepts anybody.San Fran or LA.San fran is where the Church of Satan was founded and if you can't be accepted in Hollywierd you won't be accepted anywhere.
I think in time,Pagans,Wiccans and even Satanists will be accepted at least to the point where you won't have to worry about finding work and a place to live.You need to build up your local community and get the message out that you are a viable,worthwhile part of any community.I know a Satanist in Toronto who set up a halfway house for victims of sexual abuse.Satanism will never be a mainstream religion,but this guy is respected for his work with the abused and homeless. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/23/2005 1:45:04 PM | "Taurus there are a lot of us who don't run around in black robes, etc. running their mouth's about catching a fresh newt for the old cauldron. "Like I said before we need a lot more Pagan's of a "serious variety."
Sidhe, how will you ever find anyone to be on your side when you alienate everyone but yourself. This will be the last time I respond to one of your post's. We're not going to get along I for one got tired of trying quite a while ago. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/23/2005 7:04:00 PM | Building up the local community is an awesome idea....unfortunately, not so easy to put into practice. I coordinate Pagan Pride Day in Hamilton, Ontario. This year is our third year and I do my best to include as many Pagan paths as possible. Even those who aren't necessarily 'Pagan' are approached. (I.E. Last year, we had representation from Buddhism, Aboriginal beliefs from our Native community, Tibet, as well as many specifically Pagan beliefs).
I do not belong to any organized group (I have my own issues with organized religion) so I find myself in a position where I can speak to/befriend many different people and be neutral when it comes to organizing a festival to bring them all together.
Even within a community that is considered a minority, it's interesting the obstacles one faces when trying to bring them together. Hidden political agendas, groups who bad mouth and dislike others etc. So not only do we need to bring the community en masse together, but small minority community need to also resolve their differences and accept each group for what they are....(even if one group is viewed as somewhat flaky compared to the rest  *speaking from my own experience*) | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/23/2005 8:35:17 PM | Tell it SISTA!!!!!!!! *Crowd goes wild!*
LoL, BlackAngel You have gift with words, Merry Meet, Sound's like you had a good turn out, We're NO where near that organized, lol our Celebration was mostly Pagan, and a few Native american Shamans, We had some from the Lakota Buffalo Nation, That was cool! 
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/23/2005 11:54:07 PM | | I guess we could end this thread and say some do and some dont and discuss christian beliefs on a new thread..that way anybody who posts in it is fair game for a wack around the head with the word...Can posting on this thread be suspended and just let it be?? It seems to serve no purpose, I think enough has been said... | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 6/24/2005 11:11:55 AM |
We simple care for all and we wish for all to heard the word of God. It is entirely up to you to read it or not.
2Peter 3.18
Let the wonderful kindness and the understanding that come from our LORD and saviour Jesus Christ help you to keep on growing.
God Bless
With all due respect, I find it an insult that you should be trying to change my religion through your proselytizing attempts, as that indicates you have neither regard for me, nor for my faith. Your problem is that no one does that to you, so you have no frikkin' idea what it feels like to have your religion dismissed constantly, the way you do to others' religions. | |
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