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Posted: 4/3/2006 3:06:33 AM | ya, i spose some think that law enforcement REALLY does do
all those 'neeto' tests/tricks, like on CSI-huh?
heehee
i write to folks in THIS zoo-so... | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 3:32:10 AM | Then always make sure you drive carefully Spin....you just NEVER know. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 3:47:08 AM | | Well, everyone needs someone to talk to i guess, but depending on what they did, i wouldn't let it go further then being penpals. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 3:58:10 AM | A penpal.....Thats all i am to the guys i write to....and all i intend to be. I would never write to a rapist or sex offender or god forbid a murderer........and i have no intention of ever meeting them.  | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 7:49:26 AM | So ya umm NEVER... When some of us say never we mean it. Crime and one of us doing it is not an option, so if those of usthat say never mean that we won't be the one doing the crime.. Yes there are people in jail that shouldn't be , and if sl then they might never do the crime either, just means the justice system failed...
So CARINA or should we realy call you CARL, I think you missed a spot shaving....Nice chin.... | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 11:13:17 AM |
My children are being raised to get jobs and pay taxes to take care of your beloved relatives...who are a waste of my hard EARNED tax dollars!!
This isn't even so. Canadians don't pay for prisons in the United States. Duh.
Additionally, it's the tax structure that's becoming financially devastating to so many taxpayers, not the actual cost of Corrections. If you really don't like it, complain to your representitives (which'll get you nowhere), become a corporation or get yourself into the highest 1% tax bracket.
Baked...I really don't care to understand what goes on behind prison walls.
Your apathy towards the criminal justice system only adds to the problem. Every society has people who break the rules, and it's foolish for any society to turn their back on the rule breakers. These people are still citizens and members of society, and to ostracize them does nothing to solve the problem -- it only creates new ones.
Trying to push rule breakers out of society isn't a valid option -- eveyone has a place on this planet. To address crime, society needs to address the causes head-on. Running people through a "justice" system before penning them up for a few years doesn't address much of anything. Most of these people (over 99%) will be released at some point, and if no action is taken to change their values or motives, they're simply going to
commit crime again once released.
The reality is if you don't support appropriately addressing the problem of crime, then you've no right to complain about it. Simply learn to be a better crime victim and pay your taxes.
You see I'll never see the inside of them.
That's why I specifically stated "falsely convicted". See, you don't have to do anything wrong to be falsely convicted of a crime, except perhaps be in the wrong place at the wrong time -- the system will do the rest. When it occurs, you'll quickly see your family devastated, your finances depleted, your children taken away and your liberty restrained. You then get to spend the next few years doing precicely as you're told, and always under the threat of being set up or hurt.
I'm sure this would be quite an eye opener for someone whose head is so deep in the sand.. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 11:58:33 AM | | I write to someone who's in prison...but I knew them before they went to prison. This person is very near and dear to me. He made a horrible mistake and is paying the price for it. He honestly thought he'd never hear from me again. But, there was no way I could just drop him like that....everybody else in his life did. It was important to me that he know somebody in this world cares about him!!! | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 12:08:23 PM | It sounds like the line is drawn at a point where you write to someone because you knew them before or if you are actually trying to court them while they are in jail.
I could deal with an embezzler, maybe even someone who sold drugs once and got nailed. I would be leary of inviting an armed robber or murderer over for dinner. Or I'd at least use plastic knives and forks....
The inmate web sites are hilarious. I love when they list "travel" as a hobby. In prison? Is there a lot of travel opportunity in prison? Unless you consider going from from your cage over to cellblock D as travel..... | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 12:11:19 PM |
This isn't even so. Canadians don't pay for prisons in the United States. Duh.
baked, that's pretty funny. I guess she's living up to her blonde roots!  | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 12:55:42 PM |
let me let you in on a little secret.....its just as bad for you to judge people as it is for my brother to rob a house.
Dude, I empathise. Far too many people take the "holier than thou" attitude towards criminals which I find ironic, considering how little they understand the system or the people trapped within it.
I worked as a paralegal for years in the 90s, often on matters within the criminal justice system. I have friends who were behind the wall -- friends I made while they were in prison. I know first hand that most people in prison are not bad people, they're simply people who have made bad choices and bad judgment calls.
One example is a case I know very well -- Kevin. Kevin was a Corrections Officer at Riker's Island, a jail in New York City. He came from a family of law enforcement, with siblings and his father working for local police departments. Kevin had a perfect record where he worked and had never been in trouble with the law prior to this incident.
Kevin was on his way home one night in, if I remember correctly, 1992. He was under the influence of prescription medication that his doctor did not warn him about. When going through an intersection, he collided with another car which had run a red light. Kevin had minor injuries and the other driver died.
The other driver was the niece of a prominent local politician. Even though she had run the red light (and arguably caused the accident), Kevin was arrested and charged with criminally negligent homicide. He ultimately pled guilty in a plea agreement and was sent to state prison. That's where I first was introduced to him.
Here was an individual who had once been the Corrections Officer (aka 'prison guard' to those of you unfamiliar with the term), who was now on the other side, expected to live with the prisoners. He was denied parole with the reasoning being "the severity of the crime", and ultimately served a 3 year sentence. He's not permitted to get his job back, has had his rights severely curtailed and has found it very difficult to maintain a reasonable income since. He's simply fortunate enough to have a dedicated wife who's stood by him throughout his ordeal.
One night and a failed judgment call (driving while medicated) changed his and the other driver's life forever. Does this make him a bad person? Is his mistake so evil that he deserves a lifetime of difficulty as a result? Some people say "yes", and I accept that as your opinion. However, I don't agree with it, as Kevin's mistake is one that any one of us could make. If we choose to punish people so harshly for their mistakes, then we, as a society, must be prepared to support the costs associated with the punishment. This includes the criminal justice system, the years in prison, the lawsuits and appeals, and the diminished taxes that the person pays once released.
Kevin's one example, and I personally know of countless others. All of you who have posted that you'd never correspond with someone who's in prison for one reason or another, well, I can assure you, they're not missing you. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 1:00:17 PM | | While there will always be hundreds of exceptions to the rule, as the one you tell above, that's understandable. But I dont find "rapists" and "murderers" and "child molesters" basically "good people" who made bad judgements/bad choices. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 1:05:23 PM | Bad person, no.
Guilty of a crime, yes.
Ever seen Liar Liar? The most famous quote...
"STOP BREAKING THE LAW, A**HOLE!!!"
The biggest bleeding heart in the world doesn't change statistics. Most people in prison are uneducated and repeat offenders.
What "Kevin" did was vehicular homicide whether he meant it or not.
Did he pay his debt? If he did his time, again the answer is yes. However, the other driver is no less dead because he "just made a mistake". That driver's family will never see him or her again. Serving 3 years in prison doesn't bring a parent's child back.
Whether you know people in prison is not germaine here. The question is about corresponding with inmates. Can we get back to topic? | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 1:52:16 PM | Baked..this is CANADIAN website...DUH (as you so eloquently put it)
Nowhere did I say that that canadians pay for american prisons...again to quote you..DUH. Those can READ can see that you've put words in my mouth. I stand by my assertions that if you are a criminal and a stupid one for getting caught then you deserve everything that comes your way. My empathy lies with the victims of crime. Not the punks who committed them.
As for being in the wrong place at the wrong time or being falsely accused. That won't happen either. I don't associate with the criminal element. At 43 I have never been in attendance while a crime has been committed.You are projecting your world onto mine,because you associate with criminals and crime may be an option for you don't assume it is the same for me. I don't need to be careful behind the wheel I need OBEY THE LAW. I don't drink or do drugs ..never have never will. So it's slim to nil that I will committ a crime like drinking and driving. And for the other woman who thinks my WHITEness will keep me from being falsely accused of a crime,I see by your profile that you abuse drugs and alchohol and based on your ghetto talk that puts YOU at risk.Again you all are assuming that your world is the same as mine...I assure you it's not. We all have CHOICES and freewill. I'll use mine to contribute to society...not leach from it.
Baked.. for those who don't miss our correspondence...Society doesn't miss them either... | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 2:16:14 PM | | It's family so it makes a difference than writing to a stranger..and there are people that break the law every day but don't get caught.. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 2:20:38 PM | ah, talk about 'putting words into ones mouth'
one has put an ENTIRE scenario into my 'world'-via ASSUMPTION
i do NOT 'abuse' drugs NOR drink
i have a serious health condition that REQUIRES me to take PRESCRIPTION
'drugs' DAILY(and no, NOT 'pain pills' before THAT unleashes)
i have a glass of wine from time to time AND, last informed
THAT is LEGAL, in BOTH Canada AND states
'ghetto' talk? buahahaha-wont even BOTHER wit dat one-FASHIZZLE
SOLID!
so, what is it again that 'puts me at risk'
hahaHA!
AHHH, so MANY ASSumptions(and, ya DO know what they say)
lets just hope(for some 'spnners')
that those VERY sorts of 'assumptions' dont ever work AGAINST the
'oh,so innocent,RIGHTEOUS(not that law enforcement EVER makes those)
cuz?...
SOME wouldnt last a DAY in the joint-hehe
BY AND BY: i notice a REcurring statement
'those STUPID enough to commit crime AND get CAUGHT'
so, is it the actuall crime OR...the getting CAUGHT thats an 'issue'???
if i were looking to date one-i SUUUUURE would want to know if their
sleeping with my best freind OR the getting CAUGHT would be their worry
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Posted: 4/3/2006 2:20:55 PM | oh, ya
PEACE SISTA GIRL(or white shedevil)
uh oh, here comes the language police ta throw me in da
pokey fer my GHETTO TALK
muahahahahaha
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Posted: 4/3/2006 2:21:04 PM | When I was in college I took a class where one of the assignments was to write a prisoner for a few months and write a paper about the experience. My guy was a dude in for life in California.. He he had gotten busted one too many times for drugs and got hit with that three strikes and you're out thing.
I was leery at first, but he was totally respectful toward me, never wrote anything inappropriate, and in the long run it was an interesting experience.
Now, I definitely don't understand women who write those guys looking for a boyfriend but just corresponding for a bit wasn't nearly as weird as you'd think. I wouldn't do it again, but oh well... | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 2:35:02 PM | okay, so correct me if I am wrong -- I am always anxious to learn. my statement was based upon the following:
message 39, by packman, states that his brother is in prison.
in your message, number 40, you exclaim:
Your brother is where he BELONGS.He commited a CRIME against INNOCENT people....and that's just what he was caught for. Maybe being a big mouth runs in the family and if he'd learn to shut it he wouldn't find himself with broken bones. My children are being raised to get jobs and pay taxes to take care of your beloved relatives...who are a waste of my hard EARNED tax dollars!!
Packman's profile indicates he's in the United States, and yours shows you to be in Canada. Your post specifically refers to your children "being raised to get jobs and pay taxes to take care of [packman's] beloved relatives". Now unless your children will be emigrating to the United States (yes, I am assuming that they're with you in Canada), explain to me how this is possible?
As for being in the wrong place at the wrong time or being falsely accused. That won't happen either. I don't associate with the criminal element.
The whole concept is obviously beyond your comprehension. People are regularly accused of offenses they are not guilty of, and there's no way to predict or avoid it. It simply happens. Being better than everyone else won't save you or your children, either. Unless you live in a cabin far from society, never interact with anyone, never use currency and essentially disappear from modern existance, you're a candidate for being falsely accused. There's nothing about you that exempts you from this possibility. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 2:48:28 PM | I work in a prison as a correctional officer. (I am also a certified counselor) I spend alot of time with the inmates and can tell you first hand that they are people who do get very lonely. Friends and family often disown or disassociate from them so it makes for a long lonely existence in jail. Writing helps people pass the time...gives hope. People make bad choices and end up in jail...not everyone is evil. Family and friends can be a huge benefit to re-integrating people back to society!
There are exceptions to the rule though...and I will tell you that anyone who writes to prison penpals who they were NOT aquainted with BEFORE writing (meaning you get their name online or from a list) runs the BIG chance that they will be played for money, time and affection. This is a very needy bunch of people and quite the number are looking for ways to get their needs and wants met. And never think you are the only one they are writing or talking to!! You are not unique or special. Some have multiple sugar mommas and sugar daddies coming to visit or sending in money, etc!!
There are specific personality types who are facinated with and communicate with people who are incarcerated. I won't go into that just now, but most serial high profile rapist/murderers have groupie followings...why do you think that is? Disordered personality and thinking errors in the groupie...just like the convict.
Just my thoughts...
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Posted: 4/3/2006 2:57:58 PM | | ''Your relatives" is general statement covering everyone in here who has relative doing time. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 3:04:23 PM | | nope... not going to happen... I have managed to live my life without being arrested... so can others... I agree with those who said it would be better to support the victims families and write them in support... as for them being lonely... oh well... no one said a life of crime was fulfilling... I would expect if I treated people poorly (as in commiting a crime against someone) it would come bite me in the a$$... | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 3:13:38 PM | | I find that you had contact with Charles Manson interesting, I find it more interesting that he answered you, I guess he wants all the publicity he can get, isnt he in CA., Not far from Reno, that is my home. I think Vacaville ?????????Yes?? Pj | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 3:17:05 PM | | i.m a carmatic person i believe what goes around comes around. i would not have a pen pal in prison. they are there for a reason. and what ever it is they did, they can redo the same too you | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 3:37:18 PM | Here Here Mary K . My house has been robbed in 4 TIMES in 5 years. That animal killed my dog. Bud put up one he!! of a fight! That F#cker left him to suffer with broken front legs,broken ribs,internal bleeding and a kicked in face. He has been in prison and BRAGGED about breaking in here. What I have is MINE. I worked hard for it ..no gave it to me and I didn't TAKE it. And some skank punk thinks he can break in a take it! Don't suggest I should move..I don't rent ..I own my home ..it's paid for and clear. I am a single mother.I live alone with 2 children,one is disabled. And he knows it as he has played with my daughters lifts while in my HOME and gone through the drawers next to her hospital bed. He deserves the WORST they have for him.
2 weeks ago an elderly couple beaten in there own home just minutes from here for $40.
In Burnaby an 80 year old woman beaten and left for dead by a gang of home invaders.
The elderly who laid their lives on the line for our freedom!Built our roads and hospitals.Who worked hard and put their children through college and paid taxes and don't have so much a traffic violation. GRRRRRRR!
Absolutely no sympathy here for the incarcerated.They are cowards who prey on those who cannot defend themselves.
*If you think that it is because I live on the wrong side of town...wrong...I live in one the most desirable neighborhoods on Vancouver Island. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 6:56:24 PM |
Over 99% of people in prison are eventually released
And within one year 20-23% reoffend, and within 3 years 32-36% reoffend.
Unfortunately it is a cycle. No, I would not have a prison penpal. | |
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