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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/14/2005 7:38:12 PM | papa211 some posts, and this is one, leave me shaking my head in disbelief. not at you ! at the reality your words express | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/14/2005 9:41:11 PM | | Jacksmerkingrevenge ... How/Why do you think that the legilization of Marijuana will ease the prison rates ?? Im not saying u're wrong...im just curious where this came from ? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/14/2005 9:50:22 PM | papa to answer your question Because there are a shitload of people in jail for marijuana related offenses that have no business being locked up. You obviously have a computer papa-go to jackherer.com go to google and look it up. Not that you're curiosity is piqued perhaps you can use that technology at your fingertips to satiate it. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/14/2005 9:54:42 PM | I mean in general people kill for money.. mabye money should be made illiegal. Would that solve anything ? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/14/2005 10:27:47 PM | | Whew! Can't argue with that kind of logic. Just out of curiousity did you read Dan and my posts? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/15/2005 12:19:58 AM | | It's the luck of the draw. Have you heard the phrase: the law is an ass? Alchohol and tabacoo kill MILLIONS of people globally every year but they are perfectly legal. Anyway, we shouldn't really be adding to the carnage with more drugs; however, making it illegal actually elevates the crime to murders and money laundering.....trading cocaine for pot etc. All illegal drugs are related to each other. The solution is to make everything LEGAL and FREE and let nature take it's course...only the weak will succumb to the illness of drug addiction. It's already easy to obtain so why not make it illegal and cut the criminal elliminate out of the profit? Seems reasonable to me....except, crime stimulates the economy - insurance, security, sales of replacing stolen items. I think without crime, economically it'll be devastating to the country so we need crime....i don't believe the gov't truely cares if you become addicted to drugs. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/15/2005 5:45:28 PM | | If this usa took a hard line on pot and other drugs we could reduce all violent crime by half within five years. It works in other countries. I have bee repeatedly saying, Americans have too much civil freedom. This is not the 50's --tough times call for a no-nonsense approach. In Saudi Arabia you can get your hand cut off for some crimes. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/15/2005 5:49:46 PM | [People steal, rob and kill for oil too.]
said tongue-in-cheek, They do?
I've included the url so any interested can follw the links
Today's Featured Article: Monday, August 15 2005 @ 12:25 PM MDT
http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20050811085534274 Drug Politics Contributed by: Reverend Blair
And you may see me tonight with an illegal smile It don't cost very much, but it lasts a long while Won't you please tell the man I didn't kill anyone No I'm just tryin' to have me some fun. –John Prine, Illegal Smile
Most Canadians have become familiar with the name Marc Emery over the last few weeks. The founder of the BC Marijuana Party was arrested in Canada on a warrant issued in the US and may be extradited to stand trial in a US court and face sentencing under harsh US anti-drug law.
The joint Vancouver Police/DEA raid of Emery’s seed shop and the arrest of Marc Emery and two of his employees seems to be politically motivated. It is as much about Emery’s activism as his selling of marijuana seeds.
This is made evident by statements made by Karen Tandy, and quoted by Joel Connelly of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Today's arrest of Mark (sic) Scott Emery, publisher of Cannabis Culture magazine and the founder of a marijuana legalization group, is a significant blow not only to the marijuana trafficking trade in the U.S. and Canada, but also to the marijuana legalization movement, said Tandy. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of Emery's illicit profits are known to have been channeled to marijuana legalization groups active in the United States and Canada. Drug legalization lobbyists now have one less pot of money to rely on, she continued.
Clearly the US government feels that Emery’s arrest is a political issue as much as a legal one. So why is the Canadian government colluding with a foreign government to arrest Canadian citizens for political reasons? While we are moving towards softening our marijuana laws, something that is long past due, why would our government cooperate with a foreign government who wishes to persecute Canadian citizens for political reasons having to do with those same laws?
Marc Emery isn’t the only Canadian who has run into trouble due to our government’s reluctance to disavow the war on drugs that our southern neighbours have unleashed on the world.
In the spring of 2004, David Laing was driving on a highway near Hope, BC. He had his two year old son with him. Laing was pulled over by a Texas State Trooper who wanted to search Laing’s car for marijuana.
Laing is a member of the Vancouver Police department and knew that the search the Texas State trooper was requesting to do is illegal under Canadian law. After refusing the search, Laing was pulled over by an RCMP officer and a Texas State Trooper. The RCMP did search his car, as well as Laing’s two year old son.
Although the RCMP settled out of court when Laing threatened to sue for wrongful detention, they insist that Laing was searched because his eyelashes were fluttering and his eyes were flashing. Fluttering eyelashes and flashing eyes are, according to Texas State Troopers and the RCMP, signs that a subject has been smoking marijuana.
By those criteria, Laing could have been trying to get a date. Fluttering eyelashes and flashing eyes aren’t exactly proof of anything. Such physical indications are highly subjective, especially if you aren’t familiar with the person you are judging. Flashing eyes means nothing whatsoever, at least outside the world of super hero comics, and fluttering eyelashes could be anything from an individual’s normal blink rate to a reaction to the sun reflecting off the cop’s badge.
Much more disturbing than the illegal detention and search that Laing suffered is the involvement of Texas State Troopers. Why are police from a US state with regressive drug laws, a history of questionable searches, and a reputation for brutality pulling people over for random checks in Canada? The RCMP say that the Texas cops are here to train RCMP officers in techniques to find drug traffickers. That the search techniques are illegal, the profiling criteria being used by the Texans and the RCMP questionable at best, and the idea of allowing US police to pull people over in Canada thoroughly reprehensible apparently has not occurred to the RCMP or the Canadian government.
Given concerns raised by human rights groups about the actions of US law enforcement agencies, I doubt they should be allowed to engage in any training exercises with Canadian police. Canadian police have shown themselves to be quite adept at infringing on Canadians’ rights without outside help, after all.
US involvement in Canadian Drug enforcement, and highly questionable actions by the DEA and RCMP are nothing new. In 1999, Paddy Roberts was arrested and charged with conspiracy to export cannabis by the RCMP. The USA’s Drug Enforcement Agency charged him with conspiracy to import drugs. Being charged with the same crime in two countries at the same time, especially when the law enforcement agencies of those countries are working together, is a matter of double jeopardy.
Roberts, who ran for the BC Marijuana Party in 2001, received legal permission to travel to Ireland, where he also holds citizenship. He was arrested by Dutch authorities on a stop-over in Holland. Apparently the Canadian prosecutor had tipped off authorities that he was travelling internationally. Roberts was suddenly facing extradition from a prison in Holland to the US, where sentences are far harsher than those he faced in Canada.
When Paddy Roberts’ brother was reported to be near death in Canada, a Dutch judge released Paddy on bail of 25,000 Euros. Once he arrived in Canada he was not allowed to leave and was forced to forfeit the bail he had paid in Holland.
case of Paddy Roberts was just one of many that occurred in the late 1990's. In one case, the actions of American drug agents in Canada caused a BC Supreme Court Justice to refuse the extradition of a suspect in a cocaine smuggling case. In her decision Madam Justice J.R. Dillon said, The illegal conduct of the United States DEA is so shocking here and so detrimental to international cooperative agreements to assist in criminal matters that I would be inclined to order a stay on that basis alone.
list of US transgressions of the rights of Canadians in the name of their war on drugs is extensive and the examples I’ve given here are far from comprehensive. The Canadian government and Canadian law enforcement agencies are all too happy to collaborate with US officials in spite of the transgressions of US law enforcement agencies.
question is why we cooperate with the United States on drug policy at all. Polls in the two countries indicate that Canadian attitudes towards drug use and drug policy are vastly different than attitudes in the United States. We are moving towards the decriminalization of marijuana, while the US government is pushing hard to make criminals out of even casual pot smokers. We have recognised the benefits of medicinal marijuana while the US government is arresting growers and users of medicinal marijuana even where state governments have approved its use.
Vancouver Mayor and newly appointed Senator, Larry Campbell, is an advocate of the four pillar approach to dealing with drug abuse. Saying, The war on drugs has failed. As a Coroner, I spoke for those who had died so that others may live. In my world, there are no throwaways; everyone is equal. Their stories have lessons for all of us, Campbell advocates prevention, enforcement, treatment and harm reduction to deal with Vancouver’s drug problems.
Campbell is no stranger to the drug wars. He was a drug squad cop before he was Coroner. He understands the situation and the problems better than most. That understanding is what led him away from a US-style war on drugs. He saw that it wasn’t working.
Campbell won’t be the first Senator to question Canada’s drug policies. In 2002 Senator Pierre Claude Nolin chaired a committee that looked into Canada’s drug laws. Nolin called the prohibition of marijuana a cop-out and said, Scientific evidence overwhelmingly indicates that cannabis is substantially less harmful than alcohol and should be treated not as a criminal issue but as a social and public health issue.
The 1970 interim report of the LeDain commission recommended that all charges for possession and use of psycho tropic drugs be transferred from the Narcotics Act to the Food and Drugs Act, which would have effectively decriminalised the possession and use of most drugs and reducing possession charges to a summary conviction similar to a traffic ticket, and treat addiction as a medical problem. The government rejected the recommendation for all but marijuana, but never took action on even that. The possession of marijuana remained illegal with little distinction made between it and heroin.
Canada’s federal government still hasn’t gotten the message. Instead of standing up for Canadian citizens and developing reasonable drug policies based on science and study, the ruling Liberals continue to aid and abet the regressive and harmful policies of a foreign government. Our government is allowing themselves to be bullied into acting against the best interests of Canadians.
The Emery case should be made into a rallying point by all Canadians. It is time to demand that our government abandon the war on drugs and quit colluding in the persecution of Canadian citizens by the government of the United States. It is time we told our government to base drug policy on scientific fact instead of the false morality of a foreign power.
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/20/2005 11:56:38 AM |
If this usa took a hard line on pot and other drugs we could reduce all violent crime by half within five years. It works in other countries. I have bee repeatedly saying, Americans have too much civil freedom. This is not the 50's --tough times call for a no-nonsense approach. In Saudi Arabia you can get your hand cut off for some crimes.
That is F--king SICK!!! Are you SERIOUS??!! So maybe if I smoke a joint, I should have my lips sewn shut? What rock did you crawl from underneath? Maybe you should save up your money, and go buy an Island. Then you can be the ruler of your island, and everyone can do as you wish, with your sick dictatorship thinking. You can cut their tounges out when they say things in protest. But don't suggest I or anyone else give up our freedoms. It's not up to our government to be responsible for our actions, it's up to us. Are you even originally from here? You like Saudi's laws so much, maybe you should move there.
Meekrob- Just for the sake of the arguement, I'm Christian, also. I would probably be dead from certain events in my life if it weren't from the hand of God, and I truely beleive that. And I don't want to step on anyone elses toes, religiously- but Jesus rocks. So go to your bible, and turn to the FIRST page. Read Gen. 1-11. It says (in some versions) "And God put forth on this Earth grass, the herb yeilding seed and created it in his likeness and said therefore it is good." (Some versions it says "and it was so" but being Christian, everything God created was perfect) If you read along, you'll discover (also in Genesis) that God had created trees bearing fruit and green herbs yeilding seeds to be food for us and the animals here. (It is my personal view that maybe originally, he intended us to be vegetarians, because it doesn't say much about the rules for eating meat untill several chapters later. But that's just what I think.) So ALL the fruit and herbs were meant for us to consume. Marijuana is an herb. You can't just "make" it. There's no manufacturing going on. You literally pick it, dry it out (unless you want to eat it, I guess) and smoke it. Nothing to it. That's my arguement.
I feel it's necessary to point out that the only addiction that is related to MJ is mental. In otherwords, "It's all in your head". | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/20/2005 12:07:18 PM | ^^ yeah heroine comes from opium which is also derived from a natural seed brought to us by mother nature. The bible says it's ok for us to use "God's fruit bearing trees to our advantage" so what's everyone's beef with heroine??? needles anyone?
Not sure what god has to do with leagalizing mind altering substances....??
just because pot is the preferred drug of choice...personally I'd love to legalize pure MDMA everyone should take MDMA...heck if we can walk around drunk out of our skulls why the hell not tripping on ecstacy...who doesn't need to be told they are loved today? LOL
I feel it's necessary to point out that the only addiction that is related to MJ is mental. In otherwords, "It's all in your head".
yeah so is schizophrenia... No thank you very much!
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/20/2005 12:36:46 PM | | Nothing wrong with getting a little high sometimes. You guys want to get high? I got shit hammered last night on beer, whiskey, and voldka so what's wrong with pot if I can do that to myself? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 11:48:09 AM | Iindica-------If one were to take your flawed logic. I would way, because poison ivy was created by God, I have no problem with eating it or rubbing it all over my face. Just because God created a***nic, doesn't mean we are to make hot a***nic tea. Not all things are lawful. Marijuana is a mind-destroying and altering hallucinogenic drug. Wake up to the logic behind what you're saying! If you are a Christian you know the Scrippture says you are not to destroy your body, which is God's temple.
The computer program here bleeped out the word I way using--it is the name of a poison used by several to kill their spouse. A poison like other chemicals. Ar senic | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 1:36:18 PM | Anyone who thinks legalizing pot would be a good idea should go visit the Dam in Amsterdam..
It's bad enough my tax money barely helps to improve such problems as the homeless and lack of resources and staffing for hospitals etc. let alone having to use it to clean up after piles of riff raff on the street who are purposely making themselves insane. Hate to break it to you but pot makes people stupid. As harmless as it may "seem" as if we need more stupidity out there roaming the streets freely. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 2:31:54 PM | | And this is the reason i do not belong to any religion.Speaking of the post.I believe in god and the bible.But i do not believe in relgion.It is all man made no matter what the religion it is including christianity.The bible plainly states thet if you use anything that destroys the temple.Then is a sin.Smoking pot is not healthy.They have done studies on this.Just the lungs alone can be a disaster for someones health....1 joint is equal to a half a pack of cigs.This is a fact.I am so glad i do not belong to a religion.To many fakes....Going by my neighbors it reasures me i am not missing much.Sure they are all nice to each others faces,But when their back is turn around they run each other down to pure dirt.Gossip!Gossip!Gossip!Back-stappers.You should hear what i have to hear.But i will not go there.I am the only one that do not go to church....What is the since of going to church,But live a life of hell.I do not get it | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 2:36:41 PM |
If one were to take your flawed logic. I would way, because poison ivy was created by God, I have no problem with eating it or rubbing it all over my face.
There is flaw in your logic as well... Poison Ivy doesn't offer any effects people like. Weed is harmless, Ivy is annoying. It's a rather moot argument though, people don't rub poison ivy all over themelves because there smarter then you must give them credit for. You should study something before you deem it evil atleast...
Not all things are lawful
With alittle luck and alot of hard work, the law can be changed.
Marijuana is a mind-destroying and altering hallucinogenic drug.
Marijuana being mind-destroying has never been proven... Infact almost every scientific test done on it has proved it is relatively harmless. And no, Marijuana is not an hallucinogen, technically it's a depressent, like caffine or tobbacco. Halluncinogens are LSD and Mushrooms which have a dramatically different effect then weed. Again, do some research before you judge, atleast.
Scrippture says you are not to destroy your body, which is God's temple.
Are you gonna think about that the next time you drink a stomach destroying soda, or even spend alittle too much time in the sun without lotion? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 2:58:38 PM | Does Marijuana Cause Crime and Violence?
Opinions in the literature on the relationship between cannabis and aggression. violence and crime are varied and contradictory. Laboratory studies of the acute effects of cannabis on human beings indicate that aggression and violence, at least under controlled conditions, are rare. Most investigators report a quieting or tranquilizing effect, although significant changes in behaviour are ordinarily difficult to detect at normal doses. No tendency towards aggression or violence was seen in connection with cannabis in any of the Commission experiments or social research. In a recent study, cannabis was much less likely than alcohol to produce signs of aggressiveness in a group of regular users of both drugs.108 In addition. no signs of cannabis caused aggression were seen in the Addiction Research Foundation's sub-chronic experimental study of daily marijuana use.436
In Blum's survey of cannabis users, very few instances of aggression or fighting were noted, even though the subjects were willing to acknowledge other negative aspects of cannabis use.59 One exceptional report from South Africa in 1938, where cannabis was given to a group of psychotic patients, noted that some of these individuals became irritable, excited and assaultive.512
In rodents. cannabis usually decreases aggressiveness and fighting, even at doses which do not produce marked sedation, although under some unusual conditions (extreme cold, or starvation, for example) and severe chronic drug administration regimes some increase in fighting has been noted.112,541,559,605 Cannabis has also been shown to reduce aggressiveness in monkeys.246 Generalizations which can be made from these animal studies to humans are, of course, limited.
What Does Weed Do To The Body?
The short-term physiological effects of a typical cannabis dose on normal persons are generally quite benign, and are apparently of little clinical significance. Perhaps the most commonly reported physiological response to cannabis is a dose-related increase in heart pulse rate. In Commission experiments, a dose producing effects generally within the range of the subjects' past experience reliably increased pulse rate by more than one-third. A slight increase in systolic blood pressure was also seen at the higher dose. These cardiovascular effects disappeared within a few hours. Other studies in the literature have been inconsistent with respect to blood pressure effectssome investigators report an increase with cannabis, while others found no change or a slight decrease.284,296,301,407,564,670 Synthetic THC-like compounds have been shown to produce major reductions in blood pressure in some species.252 Changes in the electrocardiogram are reportedly minimal for normal subjects 284,301,436 Subjects with cardiac abnormalities have not been studied, however. Marijuana may reduce the typical heart rate response to breath inhalation or coughing. 519
Cannabis reliably induces a swelling of the minor conjunctival blood vessels in the membranes around the eye, producing a slight 'blood-shot' appearance (termed conjunctival congestion) similar to that seen with alcohol.399 This finding was confirmed in Commission studies. (This effect may be, at least in part, a secondary consequence of local irritation resulting from an inhibition of tear glands and subsequent drying of the eye, but is not caused by direct smoke irritation.) No corresponding retinal vascular change has been observed within the eye14,263 and the clinical significance of the conjunctival effect is probably minimal. A significant decrease in finger temperature in a Commission experiment suggests a slight constriction of minor blood vessels in the skin,440 although this latter vascular response has not been directly verified. Slight edema or puffing around the eyes sometimes occurs.16,155 Contrary to popular belief, there is no evidence of pupil dilation with cannabis, and recent controlled studies have detected no change or a slight pupillary constriction. 155,265,297,661 A reduction in intraocular (within the eye) fluid pressure has been reported with marijuana and may have therapeutic significance. 264
Salivation was significantly decreased by cannabis in a Commission experiment, even with low doses.440 There are occasional reports by users of initially stimulated saliva secretion, followed by a drying of the mouth, throat and nasal passages, but this bi-phasic response has not been verified in the laboratory. Minor effects on skin conductance and sweat gland activity were inconsistent both in Commission experiments,251,440,518 and other studies. 204,431,522 Cannabis may stimulate urination16,407 but such an effect has not been clarified. No consistent changes in blood sugar functions have been reported.161,279,397,407,505,661 Appetite is usually stimulated, but perhaps not as universally as commonly believed,3,16,248,279,407 and changes in hunger with the drug seem unrelated to blood glucose. Cannabis has not been reported to produce any significant changes in general hormone or blood biochemistry in man, except indirectly by eliciting general signs of arousal or activation in some instances.283,397,407,670 Acute use of cannabis does not seem to affect kidney or liver function or alter basal metabolism.407 No substantial changes in respiration have been noted with acute use, 407,564,661,670 nor have significant alterations in deep tendon reflex and other simple nerve functions been observed in humans.284,297,527 High doses in rats may increase DNA content in brain tissues.112 THC may lower body temperature slightly in humans,655 and large doses produce significant temperature reduction in animals.225,252,489
The acute effects of cannabis administration on the electroencephalogram (EEG) are slight at "social" doses and are generally considered to be of little clinical significance.189,308,527,641 Changes in sleeping EEG's (including REM phases) have not been clearly established, and existing reports are contradictory.32,285,522,574 Cannabis slightly alters the electrocortical visual evoked response in a way which suggests some increased reactivity or arousal effect.611 in a Commission experiment, enhanced two-flash visual discrimination also suggests some neuro-physiological (perhaps cortical) activation with the drug.440 Much higher doses in monkeys, however, produce changes which seem to reflect an ultimate depressant action.76
The effects of cannabis on neurohumoral transmitters is unclear. Existing studies are conflicting, but it appears that there is some alteration in brain concentration of catecholamines, serotonin and other neurochernicals in most of the animals studied. 67,90,140,207,280,409,446,565,579,619 The significance of these changes is ambiguous, but information in this area is increasing at a considerable rate.
Ling and associates reported that daily administration of THC to rats (for four days) failed to produce significant effects on general adrenal and gonadal activity, except at very high doses. However, an involution of the thymus gland was observed, which was similar to that produced by stress.370
Muscle strength seems to decrease with higher doses of cannabis. In Commission research the upper dose produced no change in maximum momentary strength of hand grip, but a one-minute sustained finger grip task showed a decrement, even five hours after smoking.440 Similar effects have been observed by others at higher doses. 284,407,507 Singh recently found no effect on acute muscle strength. but reported some evidence of reduced efficiency of work on a bicycle ergometer after marijuana,564 thus supporting the results of a 1901 study.183 Paradoxically, the use of cannabis to reduce fatigue during hard physical labour has been noted in several non-industrial countries.16,38,73,124,125,295,534,651 The effects of the drug under normal labour conditions have not been systematically studied.
Recently declassified United States Army research (with synthetic forms of THC and related analogues) has shown that some cannabinoids possess significant hypnotic, anaesthetic, anti-convulsant, anti-hypertensive and temperature-reducing effects of possible therapeutic potential.16,249,259,284,407 Controlled clinical trials in humans have yet to be completed, however
What Does Weed Do To The Mind?
In the following (admittedly over-simplified) hypothetical exercise, assume a city with a population of one million, with 150,000 persons between the ages 15-25, an incidence of ten per cent regular cannabis use in that age group, and an incidence of schizophrenia-like conditions in 0.5 per cent of that sub-population (0.05 per cent would be expected to show initial schizophrenic breakdown per year if reactions were evenly distributed throughout the ten-year period). By multiplying through the various probabilities, one can predict that seven to eight cases of schizophrenia per year would occur among cannabis-smoking young people, even if no interaction existed between the drug and the disorder, and any overlap being merely random coincidence. Such cases undoubtedly exist and must present a difficult and challenging diagnostic and therapeutic problem.
It should be pointed out that schizophrenia is only one of many serious psychological problems which commonly emerge in adolescence, and a variety of other forms of psychological disorder would also be expected to occur by chance in a cannabis-using population. Some observers estimate that 10-30% of adolescents experience temporary or long-lasting psychological disorders or adjustment problems. Consequently, one would expect to see on a chance basis alone, a significant number of young people who were psychologically disturbed and using cannabis at the same time. In a small number of these individuals, the onset of both acute psychological problems and cannabis use would be expected to coincide.
While the above hypothetical exercise was focussed primarily on schizophrenia as an example, a similar analysis could be made for a variety of other personality and behavioural patterns which have been associated with cannabis use at different times in the literature ***************************
There a tendency in much of the Eastern literature to differentiate between the effects of marijuana or bhang and the more potent, concentrated forms of cannabis such as hashish or charas. It would appear that chronic heavy cannabis users prefer the more potent compounds and are also more likely to be mentioned in studies of adverse effects. It is not clear. however, if the more potent preparations are per se any more or less likely to produce adverse effects in the long run than are the milder materials. A similar distinction. based on potency, has traditionally been made in the alcohol literature. with more serious consequences often attributed to the use of distilled liquor than to the consumption of weaker drinks such as beer or wine. 450 Recent studies299,508,596' have shown, however, that even though acute poisoning with alcohol may occur more frequently with distilled spirits, longterm effects of chronic alcoholism are related to total alcohol consumed and not to the form or potency of the individual drinks. An analogy might exist between the alcohol and marijuana experience. While it is generally much easier to consume massive quantities of cannabinoids in the form of hashish rather than marijuana (and this might make acute adverse reactions more likely with hashish), until further pharmacological studies are done, it would be premature to assume that one cannabis preparation is more likely than another to produce chronic adverse effects in the long run. It should be noted, however, that marijuana and hashish generally differ in relative cannabinoid proportions as well as overall THC concentration (in that the ratio of CBD and CBN to THC is usually significantly higher in hashish see Table 2).
If attention is focussed on the North American literature alone, one is still left with an apparently paradoxical situation. If concern is directed to isolated (and, more recently, grouped) clinical case reports only, the impression is gained that there is, or soon will be, an epidemic of serious cannabis-induced psychopathology on this continent. On the other hand, attempts to locate severe chronic cases, starting from a broad population of users, or even a narrower population of general psychiatric patients and hospital admissions, have met with little success. This would strongly suggest that "cannabis psychosis" or other severe cannabis-related disorders requiring in-patient treatment are statistically rare in North America. This does not mean that isolated case reports are not clinically valid, however
Being A Functioning Member Of Soceity and A Pothead?
The effects of cannabis on psychomotor skills depends upon dose, the subject's past history of use (and probably his experience with the task while 'high') and the nature of the sensory, cognitive and muscular components involved in the task studied. The "set and setting" are also undoubtedly important, as well, but have not been adequately studied in this context.
Mayor La Guardia's Committee found that apparently large doses of oral or smoked cannabis impaired hand and body steadiness and choice reaction time. Simple reaction time and maximum tapping speed were little affected. The decrements were generally dose-related, and persons with past cannabis experience showed less impairment in performance than did those who had not taken cannabis before.407' The findings of decreased hand and body steadiness and impaired complex reaction time have been recently confirmed, as well as the observation that experience with the drug may reduce or eliminate the impairment.133,305,337 There is some suggestion that cannabis may slightly alter ocular-motor (eye movement) function,455 although the general significance of such an effect is unclear.
More complicated psychomotor skills, requiring an integration of continuously changing visual and muscular feedback and motor control have recently been studied. Weil and co-workers tested cannabis-naive subjects with two different doses of smoked marijuana and an inactive placebo. Performance on a task requiring muscular co-ordination and attention (Pursuit Rotor Test) declined as dose increased. No effect was seen with the high dose in a small group of experienced cannabis users.661' Carlin and associates found no significant cannabis effects in experienced cannabis smokers on pursuit rotor performance, either while the task was being learned, or after the subjects' tracking abilities had improved and stabilized with practice.111 Manno and associates found a dose-dependent impairment of pursuit tracking performance in a group which included both experienced and cannabis-naive individuals. A tracking impairment due to cannabis was demonstrated in three separate studies, although a dose-dependent relationship was evident only when the drug was administered on a body weight basis. Marijuana and alcohol together produced significantly greater impairment of tracking performance on one of the four stimulus patterns tested than did either drug alone. There is some suggestion that boredom and attentional factors played a significant role in these deficits.337,397,398,399,400
Crancer's group found no cannabis effects on a laboratory-simulated driving task.145 This study will be discussed in more detail below. Similarly, a recent study in Alberta found no marijuana-related impairment on a "pilot simulator" laboratory apparatus designed to assess "muscular complex coordination" skills."' Rafaelsen and associates, in a preliminary report of their cannabis and alcohol driving simulator research, noted no drug effects on "start time". but both drugs increased "brake time".515 Again, attention problems were implicated in the brake time delays. Binder reported that marijuana increased response latency in a laboratory tracking task.55
The Commission has investigated the effects of various doses of high purity THC, marijuana and alcohol on several psychomotor abilities in experienced users of these drugs.251,440,518 Both the upper cannabis and alcohol (.07% blood alcohol level - b.a.l.) doses produced subjective effects reported to be generally comparable to those typically experienced when 'high' or 'stoned'. (Although most subjects felt that the dose produced effects that were at least as intensive as their normal experience with the drug, others reported that they felt less 'high' than usual.) Simple tracking and complex tracking (involving the addition of a foot choice-reaction task and occassional polarity reversals if, the control device), tapping speed, and some automobile driving tasks were studied. The driving data will be discussed separately below.
Maximum tapping speed was unaffected by cannabis.440 In the first hour after drug administration, alcohol and, less consistently, the upper marijuana dose resulted in a decrease in simple and complex compensatory tracking performance. 518 The interaction of low marijuana and low alcohol (.03% b.a.l.) in combination typically resulted in more error in complex tracking than either low dose treatment alone. An additive drug effect was not as evident in simple tracking. A more detailed analysis of the various components of tracking error (discussed in Annex A of this chapter) suggests that the mechanisms of the effects of marijuana and alcohol on this task are somewhat distinct. Speed of reaction to tracking control polarity change tended to be slower with the higher dose of alcohol, but not with the other drug conditions. During complex tracking, whenever a number appeared on an electronic tube positioned above the tracking screen, the subject was required to push either a left or right pedal, or continue pushing a middle pedal with his foot, depending on which of three numbers was presented. No warning signal was given. This task was designed to assess both secondary attention and response time. Marijuana did not significantly change choice reaction time, but alcohol reliably decreased response speed. The drugs did not cause subjects to miss signals or respond at the wrong time any more often than with placebo, suggesting no drug effects on the level of attention required to perform this task. The effects of low alcohol and marijuana in combination on choice-reaction were not significantly different from the effects of alcohol alone. No reliable drug effects were seen on psychomotor performance when the subjects were retested four hours after smoking. The additive clecremental effects of alcohol and cannabis on psychomotor performance suggested in this study and by Manno and associates399 may be of social importance because of the increased use of these drugs in combination
Seriously, weed is no more dangerous then.... Well anything else on the market today.
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 3:00:17 PM | Weed is harmless
so why haven't they legalized it yet then???
please people educate yourselves before you post absurdities.
If the effects of caffein were the same as smoking pot then why don't they make funny movies about people on "coffee"? C'mon dude!! Pot may be the "lesser of all evils"when it comes to drugs but let's not pretend like it's fine and harmless. Everyone knows a pot head or two...to say their lives are less than productive and living in a permanent state of oblivion is not in the least harmful to themselves and those who surround them is like saying mental illness is freedom! They are the parasites of society. And you know it. Why live life when you can just coast from your couch getting fat on chips and junk food stoned out or your fuuuucking mind??? How attractive!!! Not to mention the mood swings and altered personalities, they get to such a point they have better personalities when they are high then when they are straight. The argument that there are functioning pot heads living amongst us can also be used about heorine and crack. I have known heroin using lawyers and cocaine addicted doctors who are well and "functioning"... should we also legalize heroine and crack?
Chronic pot smokers not only put their mental health at risk, they are at very high risk of heart attacks and lung desease. Not to mention what useless members of society they make. Shiiit if we were intended to live in a ZOMBIE NATION drugs would have be an accepted part of society by now. Visit a drug rehab center any time soon? Talked to people who developed paranoid schitzofrenia and heart probblems because of pot? No one seems to talk about those people because who needs the downer? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 3:30:10 PM | If the effects of caffein were the same as smoking pot then why don't they make funny movies about people on "coffee"?
The effects of THC and Caffein are totally different, but there both depressents. The point I was making was regarding the classification of the two drugs, which do fall into the same catergory. Unless you want to put weed in a case of it's own, which would then be considered Cannibis.
Everyone knows a pot head or two...to say their lives are less than productive and living in a permanent state of oblivion is not in the least harmful to themselves and those who surround them is like saying mental illness is freedom! They are the parasites of society. And you know it.
uh huh. Now tell me how much of that statement is baised? If you think there the parasites of society I highly doubt you're going to ever take the time and look at any of the productivity any given pothead is capable of, or anything they happen to be doing. I don't recomend people start doing any drugs, but for those that make the choice, it's not fair to demonize the. Weed is harmless, it's a little frickin plant, it's people that make it harmful. Besides, you think potheads don't spend money? How the f**k can you call that a parasite of soceity?
Why live life when you can just coast from your couch getting fat on chips and junk food stoned out or your fuuuucking mind??? How attractive!!! Not to mention the mood swings and altered personalities, they get to such a point they have better personalities when they are high then when they are straight.
Okay... I'm not even sure how to responed to this statement. You think people sit on the coach watching TV because of weed? From my point of view weed makes this tolerable. I try to be as productive as I can, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to veg-out when I got nothing better to do.
The argument that there are functioning pot heads living amongst us can also be used about heorine and crack. I have known heroin using lawyers and cocaine addicted doctors who are well and "functioning"... should we also legalize heroine and crack?
If they can handle it without killing or hurting anyone....
Chronic pot smokers not only put their mental health at risk, they are at very high risk of heart attacks and lung desease. Not to mention what useless members of society they make.
You need to start putting 'IMO' infront of some of your statements. No member of society is usless... It's just the high and mighty throwing there weight around that gets people perceived as usless.
Shiiit if we were intended to live in a ZOMBIE NATION drugs would have be an accepted part of society by now
Drugs were an accepted part of soceity long long ago, before America invented the 'new morals'. Just ask Sherlock what was in that pipe of his...
Visit a drug rehab center any time soon? Talked to people who developed paranoid schitzofrenia and heart probblems because of pot?

Obveiously you've never been to a rehab centre yourself.
No one seems to talk about those people because who needs the downer?
Infact, people who's lives have been destroyed by drugs are talked about often. Howmany TV shows, movies and songs are about the vary subject? More then I can count. There comes a time when you have to draw a line between what is the truth, and what people are telling you is the truth. The truth is, drugs have been around for a vary long time, and they will be around for a vary long time. Sure, people might be better off without, but that is not going to make drugs go away. Ideally, drugs should be accepted and normalized.. Because people like them. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 4:06:33 PM | Jacksmerking: not to discredit what your life experience has been but when you live more and have different experiences that paint and form your ideas you will go through different transformations and your thoughts will be molded existentially,not only from what your experience is in your little bubble but from what you see around you. Interpret that as you wish. I was 25 one day so I know how you feel and why you think what you are fighthing for is so harmless and makes so much sense.
My wisdom comes from living and seeing. I won't deny that drugs can be fun and they can offer us a form of escape in an otherwise normal existence however we cannot deny its negative effects. Saying drugs, even pot, are harmless is like saying fatty foods won't make you fat. No one denies that fatty foods are great and tasty but the consecuences of indulging in them are still factual and cannot be denied.
The effects of THC and Caffein are totally different, but there both depressents. The point I was making was regarding the classification of the two drugs, which do fall into the same catergory. Unless you want to put weed in a case of it's own, which would then be considered Cannibis.
I have never heard of a "caffein related" accident, or people developing mental illness due to caffein use. Cofee is harmful to our health like a lot of things are, but to compare cofee to pot is like comparing soap to acid, they will both get rid of a stain but how?
I don't recomend people start doing any drugs, but for those that make the choice, it's not fair to demonize the.
why don't you recommend people start doing drugs??? you seem to be an avid believer that they are harmless and more good than bad WHY NOT recommend everyone smoke pot then??? I find that hard to understand? Do as I say not as I do?
If they can handle it without killing or hurting anyone....
the point is most CAN'T handle drugs. just because a select few come out of it intact or their lives don't become dependent on them does not make it safe for everyone.
You need to start putting 'IMO' infront of some of your statements. No member of society is usless... It's just the high and mighty throwing there weight around that gets people perceived as usless.
It's a given that it's MY OPINION. so I don't feel the need to keep saying that. The only "weight" I throw around is when I have used my "weight"to volunteer with homeless shelters and with teens of low income families who are struggling in life already and I have seen what the effects of something as "insignificant" as pot smoking does to their already hard existence. Talk to a homeless person take the time out to find out how they ended up that way, you'd be surprised what their backgrounds were once like. I've tried my share of drugs and I have also seen close friends and people take their lives, commit crimes and go off the deepend on drugs. Over and over again. I like to educate people on the real effects of drugs and THAT is what my "high and mightÿ attitude" does. I would not have my views without my experience. Again if you want to see how a society would be with legalized pot go visit Amsterdam...but then again you might think it's cool to see hundreds of people draped over like dead roaches on the street looking like death had struck them.
You think people sit on the coach watching TV because of weed? From my point of view weed makes this tolerable. 
Hun... if you NEED weed to make something as simple as watching tv "tolerable", you should probably consider not watching tv at all and pick up a hobbie instead. It's amazing how much you learn about life when you get out there and do stuff. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 4:16:36 PM | | Tobacco, alcohal, red meat, and Oreo cookies are all bad for our health. I don't see a prohabition on these products. Cannibas should be placed in the same class as tobacco, and alcohal, regulated, and taxed. Of course organized crime has the most to lose if weed were legalized. One only has to look at the alcohal prohibition years in the early 20th century an an example. as long as it is illegal it will only be available through the same entities that make coke, heroine, etc available. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 4:20:16 PM | And this is the reason i do not belong to any religion.Speaking of the post.I believe in god and the bible.But i do not believe in relgion.It is all man made no matter what the religion it is including christianity.The bible plainly states thet if you use anything that destroys the temple.Then is a sin.Smoking pot is not healthy.They have done studies on this.Just the lungs alone can be a disaster for someones health....1 joint is equal to a half a pack of cigs.This is a fact.I am so glad i do not belong to a religion.To many fakes....Going by my neighbors it reasures me i am not missing much.Sure they are all nice to each others faces,But when their back is turn around they run each other down to pure dirt.Gossip!Gossip!Gossip!Back-stappers.You should hear what i have to hear.But i will not go there.I am the only one that do not go to church....What is the since of going to church,But live a life of hell.I do not get it ---------------------------------------------- people say this all the time, it's a convenient excuse. God has no grandchildren, every person is accountable to God for his/her own life, irregardless of how friends and neighbors behave. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 4:20:43 PM | | Exactly WHAt would we gain as a society from legalizing pot? that's what I would like to know?? And please don't answer just from a biassed pot user's perspective I would like to know how ALL of society would benefit from this as a whole? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime? Posted: 8/21/2005 4:23:12 PM | The only difference between people who smoke POT, and those who don't,------Is the people who do smoke it , dont care if you do or not ,,and will never judge another for it ! But thats just ,IMO,, I think there are much more serious issues in this world that need to be focused on, But there again ,thats just MHO,,,, | |
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