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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/17/2007 2:15:33 AM | I have thrown away more pot than alot of people see in a life time. I grew up in the land of Maui Wowie and other potent forms of pot.
I have not touched the stuff for 17 years. I do not miss it. I really do not like to be on a bus , in a plane or on the road with the other drivers stoned to the bone. I do not like to be around people who smoke cause that is the center of their universe. It is a real waste of time. I guess that makes me a naysayer but that is a pretty negative label for my honest opinion on the subject. I challenge you to give it up for 6 months and see how many "friends" you have left now that you no longer see pot as the center of your universe. After about a month and your fog has slightly lifted you might get my drift. If you do get a better quality of friends.
It is a crime because it effects a large segment of our society. It is a crime because people do get hurt, especially the young and infirm. If there is a pot smoker in your life they live a life based on illusions. Legends in their own minds. And they harass, cajole and sometimes threaten family members for money to get a fix. They eat all the food. They will eat cereal with the last of the baby formula cause they have the munchies. They will drink a 24 pack of soda in 30 minutes leaving none for anyone else because they have cotton mouth. Then they will beat you up for having the nerve to complain.They lie, cheat and steal from family and friends without shame. It is crime because the rest of us are tired of pot smokers lifestyle and the way it affects the rest our society. When someone goes to jail they get more perks than the taxpayers do. You ever been in treatment. It is like a paid vacation. I am surprized it is even an issue for you. If you get a conviction is that really going to effect your career choices? Hey, if you go to prison we get to pay for your college? Lucky you! Wish someone would pay for my college.
Pot smokers refuse to grow up and be responsible and the rest of us are tired of it.
The common thread in the above statement is pot. That is why it is a crime.
Ask your mom, dad, ex, current relationship, kids, neighbors, boss, co-workers if your pot smoking infringes on them? Look back at some of the things you have done to get high and see if you are not ashamed.
Now that I am sober George Bush is my hero.
SOBRIETY, IT DOES A BODY GOOD! | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/17/2007 8:11:41 AM | Smoking pot is not a crime when you have a legal permit for medical marijuana. Fortunately, there are some people with common sense left somewhere, just sad that they are so few.
And I believe your mom LOL That is the case for most people. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/17/2007 9:29:46 PM | | Because it would rob the government and the mob of the money they make by importing it and the revenue from busts. Plain and simple | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/19/2007 9:27:01 PM | Yay! At least it is beginning to become common knowledge that CIA drug smuggling is fact. Perhaps now more people will connect the dots and start figuring out why prohibition still exists today, even after it has been shown to cause far more damage to society than any drug ever could.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contra%27s_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking
I think this Albert Einstein quote is appropriate here:
"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."
Listening to the police and establishment rhetoric now about why pot should still be illegal is comical. Last week I was listening this police officer being interviewed on the radio about the UN drug report which indicated Canadians smoke more pot than any other industrialized nation. The question was, "Why not just legalize it?", rather than consider nearly half of the country to be criminal. The officer went on to say that "more studies need to be done to make sure it is safe" and "we do not have a mechanism to check for stoned drivers". What a goof! It has been smoked for thousands of years. Now over 150,000,000 people smoke it, yet there is no scientific or statistical evidence to show it causes any serious or long term damage. That is more testing than the FDA has ever done and they have approved things which kill people every day. Of course the officer is also making the assumption that use would increase if it was legal. Perhaps if he would have actually read the UN report, he would have noticed Canada (where pot is illegal) smokes far more than the Netherlands (where it is defacto legal). The report also showed that when Canada's pot laws were not in effect in the summer of 2003, use actually decreased. As for the stoned-driving fear tactic, that also assumes use would increase, which is wrong. It appears the officer does not even know his own job, as a sobriety test can be conducted by having the person walk the line, stand on one foot, recite the alphabet, etc.
Thankfully, a judge in Toronto, Mr. Borenstein, just ruled Canada's pot laws unconstitutional. Obviously the Crown will appeal, but there is a chance Canada might have pot freedom again for a few months. Kudos to the defense lawyer Brian McAllister for repeating history. This comes at a good time for cannabis users because arrests have doubled or tripled in major cities like Vancouver and Toronto since the Conservatives took power, ready to import the U.S. drug war and sacrifice the safety of users and non-users alike.
Because it would rob the government and the mob of the money they make by importing it and the revenue from busts. Plain and simple | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/20/2007 2:20:56 AM | | its a crime cos its bad for you , just like if we discovered cigarettes today theyd be banned straightaway | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/20/2007 5:38:59 AM |
cos its bad for you
Please cite a case study.
But before you do make sure it isn't one that has already been debunked on the previous pages.
To Quote Talking Heads
" Say something once why say it again?" | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/20/2007 3:39:16 PM | Please provide scientific or statistical evidence to back up your statement. Your claim is contrary to modern science. If you know something scientists do not, we would love to hear.
I am also interested to know that if it were harmful (which it is certaintly not) how would making it illegal possibly benefit society? Studies show that prohibition increases violent crime and does not discourage use at all. In fact, the statistics (including the U.N. report on drug use) show that prohibiton actually encourages use.
You can do a lot of things that are bad for you and they are legal. Eating fatty foods, over eating, coffee, alcohol, etc. Nobody has ever died from using cannabis, but skiing has resulted in many deaths. Should we throw all the people who ski into the prison gulags as well? Would prison provide a more safe environment than a ski slope?
Worth noting:
FDA-approved prescription drugs injure 2.2 million and kill approximately 100,000 Americans each year, according to peer-reviewed published studies, and more realistic estimates put the number of deaths at over 200,000 people annually in the United States alone (see Death By Medicine for detailed statistics). Vioxx, according to senior FDA drug safety researcher Dr. David Graham, appears responsible for the deaths of over 60,000 Americans, and further deaths due to beta blockers, antidepressant drugs, statins and other medications continue to mount by the hour.
Source: http://www.newstarget.com/019497.html
Perhaps you should do a little bit of research before you attempt to contribute.
its a crime cos its bad for you , just like if we discovered cigarettes today theyd be banned straightaway | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/20/2007 4:54:56 PM | Please provide statistical evidence or scientific studies regarding any changes to brain chemistry which would cause the personality and behaviour you described, such as violence, dishonesty, greed and living illusions. Otherwise keep your angry and prejudice thoughts to yourself.
Most of the people I know who use cannabis do not drink soda, let alone "a 24 pack of soda in 30 minutes". Eat all someone elses food? Judging by your profile I suspect you have the munchies and consume more soda than most of the cannabis users I know.
Beat people up? The 4/20 celebration at the Vancouver Art Gallery had about 4000 people this year and not a single fight. Toronto's Global Marijuana March had over 10000 people and not a single fight. Imagine if it was a whiskey drinking celebration?
Do anything for a "fix"? Marijuana is not physically addictive. That is like saying a person who enjoys playing checkers will do anything to get their checkers fix.
Marijuana smokers ashamed of what they do to get high? I don't think packing a bowl or flicking a lighter brings about any negative feelings for the worlds 150,000,000 marijuana smokers.
You claim to be sober, yet your profile indicates you enjoy drinking coffee and you smoke tobacco often, both of which are more harmful than cannabis and are physically addictive. Also, what does Bush have to do with sobriety? He is a boozer.
Please come back when you have a viable arugement or find another culture to hate and discriminate against.
It is a crime because it effects a large segment of our society. It is a crime because people do get hurt, especially the young and infirm. If there is a pot smoker in your life they live a life based on illusions. Legends in their own minds. And they harass, cajole and sometimes threaten family members for money to get a fix. They eat all the food. They will eat cereal with the last of the baby formula cause they have the munchies. They will drink a 24 pack of soda in 30 minutes leaving none for anyone else because they have cotton mouth. Then they will beat you up for having the nerve to complain.They lie, cheat and steal from family and friends without shame. It is crime because the rest of us are tired of pot smokers lifestyle and the way it affects the rest our society. When someone goes to jail they get more perks than the taxpayers do. You ever been in treatment. It is like a paid vacation. I am surprized it is even an issue for you. If you get a conviction is that really going to effect your career choices? Hey, if you go to prison we get to pay for your college? Lucky you! Wish someone would pay for my college. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/21/2007 3:04:33 PM | | It should be legal to smoke pot, process, or sell because the black market of illegal crime is created by the laws congress wrote. Decrimiaization of all drugs should be done because then you reduce the blackmarket, and then you reduce the payoff from criminals making profits from it, and makes it easier to treat people with drug addiction. Have each state set up a drug monoploy like they do for Liqouir in some states and allow them to sell drugs under controlled conditions. The drugs cartels will only die off with legalization because the profits are too high in the black market. Drug laws were written by the corporate prision industry, and putting more people in jail for drugs does nothing for society. Drugs are bad so is Alcohol, and tobacco, but to make it illegal just entices a blackmarket for those illegal products, and legalization of drugs with state monoploy of selling the drugs be better for society, and more people would probadly get help with addiction once you remove the criminal aspect out of the ilict drugs. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/21/2007 5:02:45 PM | I never said I do not trust scientific evidence.Objective science, like astrology, should be taken with a grain of salt.I feel that there is a difference between evidence and fact. I do not trust anyone who takes that evidence and crows that it is a fact without questioning it. I call it the "the earth is flat syndrome." I trust scientific theory. (Theory means educated guess) All science is Theory.Most science today is promoted by people who are totally unqualified to be a spokesperson for anything. Al Gore is a Greens hero but no one remembers he said he also invented the internet. I do not need science to know that if I put my hand on a hot stove it is not a good idea. Example in the 50's doctors made TV commercials promoting cigarette smoking and that it was good for your health, now they say it causes everything from global warming( a natural cycle) to hang nails. With all the science being devoted to making cigarette smoker evil, stupid people. Why not spend that money and energy making a safer cigarette. If so many people feel the way I do about pot why has there never been a study what causes so many pot smokers to live the way I discribed early. Wouldn't that be true science. Now scientific experts are promoting that people who like to sunbath are addicts. If children walk on their tippy toes there is something wrong with their brain. The symptoms of ADHD are so vague they apply to everyone on the planet. See the movie "ADHD a dubious diagnosis." Science is a valuable tool but it is not a religion to be worshiped and followed blindly. Our schools are a great example.Pseudo-science gone wild. There are so many personally stories that never get told reflecting how messed up our educational system is. I home school and will never regret it. All my points are theories based on my own research and if that makes me a hypocrite so be it. As a society we should openly discuss the differences and look for patterns. Then maybe we might have a answer that suits everyone. Now you may say that this counters what I stated before about pot smokers. I find that it verifies my point. I trust my own life exeperiences first. I could not possibly discribe all the different situations I have seen. I can only give snippets of some of the major errors in pot smoking behavior.
You said nothing about my weight. It was the previous poster who remarked about my profile. I agree it is a non issue but... he brought it up. Besides my ego made me brag about losing that weight.
If you knew me you would see that from my prospective I have a valid point. I live in Hawaii and back in '60s we all smoked pot. I have known functional pot smokers. But even the functional pot smokers really reflect an attitude that is not nice to others. Most, if not all pot smokers I grew up with live with their mommies. They can barely hold a job. Or they are dead. And then there are those who quit. I am not saying all pot smokers live this way but the law of averages is against you. Why take that risk. Life is hard enough.
My theory is it like running a marathon with blinders on and then getting mad at the people you trip over.Oh, and I did not say all people who smoke pot do these things.Why are you such an advocate of mind altering substances? Why do you need that?What is wrong with being straight. People have been doing it for thousands of years. That is the theory at least.
The 75% was my opinion and not scientific at all. There is alot of information out and my own personal experience that counters mainstream thought on cigarettes.But you have to dig for it. Funny-ain't it.
There is no favortism or hypocrisy in my position. You saying that does not make it so. Funny, too, that your first post to me was you agreed with me until I mention GW. Since then nothing I have written has any validity or merit. You and others made this about GW. Why do you make this an "us or them" scenerio? I think straight is a better way to live. Is my life complication free because of it? No, but I deal with it alot better when my brain is not addled. Today I have more choices. Just wanted to share. Funny that no one took me up on my challenge or even mentioned it. Gee, it was only for a short time.
To quote Patrick "It's kinda hypnotic."
I rest my case. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/21/2007 11:26:21 PM |
And none of you have even bothered to be kind or to ask me why I like Bush. You hate him so much that now you act hateful to those who like him.
The reason you like Bush does not have much to do with this thread at all. I think we would rather stay on topic.
I do not trust anyone who takes that evidence and crows that it is a fact without questioning it. I call it the "the earth is flat syndrome." I trust scientific theory. (Theory means educated guess)
So you prefer to trust science more when it is in the "theory", or "guessing" stage? I prefer to take all facts and evidence into account prior to forming an opinion on something.
Why are you such an advocate of mind altering substances? Why do you need that? What is wrong with being straight. People have been doing it for thousands of years. That is the theory at least.
Caffeine is a mind altering substance. Alcohol is a mind altering substance. Crack is a mind altering substance. I have not "advocated the use of" anything. I have only stated that there is no scientific or statistical evidence to indicate that cannabis causes any serious or long term health problems. However, I have seen enough irrefutable physical and statistical evidence to conclude that smoking tobacco and alcohol can both cause terminal health problems.
It is natural human curiosity to try to alter ones perception. Why do you think kids spin around in circles, hold their breath or hang upside down?
Also the fact people have being using cannabis for thousand of years is more than theory, because it has direct archaeological evidence. For example, cannabis remains have been found in Scythian tombs from 430 BCE. That is the first physical evidence I am aware of. There is earlier documented evidence, but I prefer physical evidence:
1200-800 BCE TRN Bhang (dried Cannabis leaves, seeds and stems) is mentioned in the verses of the Hindu Atharva Veda as "Sacred Grass", one of the five sacred plants of India. It is described as both a medicinal and ritual offering to Shiva.
I do not need science to know that if I put my hand on a hot stove it is not a good idea.
The reaction that occurs when skin is exposed to various temperatures is science. People should not need to burn themselves to find that out. There is scientific and statistical evidence to show that crack, meth, heroin and many other things can be very harmful. Are you saying accepting such science is like saying the earth is flat so we should dismiss it?
What I meant is after they sober up a little the things they have done to get high s what they should be ashamed of.
Like what? I have never heard of anyone doing anything shameful in order to obtain or consume cannabis and I live in a country where 16.8 percent of the population smokes it. People are more likely to steal in order to buy substances which are physically addictive, such as alcohol, tobacco, crack, etc.
Science is a valuable tool but it is not a religion to be worshiped and followed blindly.
So science, use as tool. Religion, worship and follow blindly. Now I see where you are coming from.
I am not saying all pot smokers live this way but the law of averages is against you.
Only the averages you have concluded in your own alleged experiences, but I think I will stick with my opinion which has been formed by thousands of studies and compilations of statistics.
The 75% was my opinion and not scientific at all.
None if it was scientific. You have only enlightened us with your own alleged life experiences, fully loaded with hypocrisy and a touch of comic relief.
Lets go way out on a limb and say the vast majority of stats and science are wrong, pot was harmful and causes dishonesty, greed and living illusions as you claimed, why would you want to inflict further harm on society through prohibition, which does not even discourage use? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/26/2007 8:18:36 AM | Bhappy you also seem to not realize that the "high" is the smoke screen. The Big Boys do not care about your health.
And hence your challenge is not really germane to the question, because the "high" is NOT why it is illegal. It was banned and remains so for Economic reasons, always follow the money.
You claim to have an open mind, if so then check out this link, which has been posted here many times. Read the whole thing then get back to us.
http://www.jackherer.com/
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/27/2007 3:42:03 PM | | I used to smoke pot alot....Thank God it's illegal. It's bad enough to be on the road with drunks combined with pot heads. My opinion only.... | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/28/2007 12:44:57 PM | Pot smoking is a crime because it keeps a large amount of currency out of sight of the revenue canada/central bank, which facilitates a lot of tax free transactions.
Also, it is illegal specifically for my personal financial gain, so that I can sell it to kiddies on playgrounds and make a lot of money. Also with it being illegal there is no quality control of the product, I can literally bulk it in terms of weight by spraying it with water. More easy money.
Sometimes the kids come and ask for the dope but all I have is some meth, or coke, or brown. But hey, thats ok since I can still hook it up, first sample is free kiddies. Aint prohibition great?
Now sometimes some little competition comes into my business turf, and of course that is totally unacceptable. No court can settle this dispute, so we settle the score the old fashioned way, with bullets and blades. Seems to work out ok, except when stupid bystanders get in the way. But hey, what can I say, cannabis prohibition is here to stay!
Thank god, cuz if I had to pay taxes on all this bread, I think I'd have to kill myself. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/28/2007 1:35:49 PM | Hurray for good, old fashioned privateering! Entrepreneurship at its, almost, very best.
I am still of the opinion that we could simply legalize it, tax it, and pay people to not have to work if they need rehab., go to school, pursue art, or (in the US) simply pursue happiness.
Statism can be wonderful if given a chance. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/28/2007 9:32:38 PM | coca2
I used to smoke pot alot....Thank God it's illegal. It's bad enough to be on the road with drunks combined with pot heads. My opinion only....
Since prohibition has been shown to encourage rather than discourage use, how can you possibly have the opinion that throwing hundreds of thousands of people in jail and ruining their lives will make our roads safer? Anyone who is going to smoke cannabis and drive is going to do so regardless of the legal status.
I agree that we should be tough on impaired driving whether it be due alcohol, cannabis, cold medicine or fatigue. Road side sobriety tests can be conducted for all of these. An officer can have the driver walk the line, stand on one foot, recite the alphabet, etc. Officers already do this for people who refuse the breathalyzer, or someone who blows below 0.08, but is still suspected of being impaired by alcohol or other substances.
I would rather be in a car driven by someone who has recently used marijuana rather than someone who did not get sufficient sleep, or someone who is frequently distracted by their cell phone or doing their make-up. I do not believe we should call for a ban of all make-up and cell phones, or ban people from staying up late. That would be narrow minded, just like the stoned driving argument is in justifying prohibition.
If there are impaired cannabis users out there driving, they are going to do so whether cannabis is legal or not. Legalization does not encourage use, according to the recent U.N report on drug use and impaired driving would still be illegal. So no difference is made except, you have created a huge black market which funds organized crime and resulting violence. Why? I would rather have the drug war off our streets and live in a safer community. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/28/2007 9:51:24 PM | | I can recite the Alphabet while hopping a line on one foot with one finger on my nose and all while under the effects of pot. What does that proove? Nothing thats what! Pot should not be illegal, or rather Booze and Tobacco should be Illegal along with it. I drink sometimes, I smoke regularily and I occasionally use pot and other drugs too. Bottom line is that the law isnt likley to change any time soon. The DEA is currently in the practice of arresting foreign nationals in their own Country (google BC3) and until someone puts this orginisation in their place (in my opinion the trash bin) then nothing will change | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/28/2007 10:43:29 PM | Jameslazazzera
I can recite the Alphabet while hopping a line on one foot with one finger on my nose and all while under the effects of pot. What does that proove? Nothing thats what! Pot should not be illegal
It proves you are not impaired and that there is a more accurate sobriety test which can be used to determine whether or not you are. This is important because many police and other prohibitionists are narrow minded enough to argue that because there is no breathalyzer for pot, it should remain illegal.
If you are trying to emphasize that pot does not impair you, I agree that this is the case with most regular cannabis users. However it is possible for someone to become impaired from using cannabis whether it is due to low tolerance or extreme usage (ie: a whole cannabis cake). I doubt anyone would consider driving in that state, but if they do they might fail such sobriety tests.
It is good that you point out the extradition of Marc Emery, Michelle Rainey and Greg Williams. The BC3 extradition is another reflection of how out of control the drug war is. Canadians from Vancouver, arrested by the DEA **in** Vancouver and potentially going to jail in the US for the rest of their lives, for selling cannabis seeds over the internet! Something done by hundreds of sites on the Internet and something that nobody has ever received more than a $200 fine for in Canada! The only reason the DEA went after the BC3 is because the BC3 gave all of the seed money (over $4,000,000 ) to legalization and ballot initiatives in the US and around the world. That and of course, he heckled John Walters (the US Drug Czar) at a conference. Even the DEA press release after the arrest said "this is a significant blow to marijuana legalization groups" and that "they will have one less pot of money to rely" on.
In 2005 I saw an interview with a Vancouver Sun columnist who stated there were over 50 DEA agents in British Columbia alone. I wonder how many there are now? It is not just Canada though. They do it all over the world, whether it be Columbia, Bolivia, Venezuela, Afghanistan, etc. Anything to keep that $600,000,000,000 black market going. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/30/2007 4:39:33 AM | | im sorry to all those who are convinced its not bad for you and that im an ignorant idiot, but if u want to see the ill effects of pot take a look at my brother .. all i can say is paranoia.. my mum went to hug him the other day and he sed 'dont force urself on me, its like rape..' sorry but, pot n cigarrettes are the only substances hes into and he was never like that before. my conclusion? pot. if anyone wants to blame it on the cigarettes or the evil purple fairies i suggest you may have had a little too much pot too. and i know what im talking about ive smoked some in the past and it didnt do me any favours either. cheers, Ms. Ignorant (yet completely sober) | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/30/2007 7:49:51 AM |
but if u want to see the ill effects of pot take a look at my brother ..
It effects different people in different ways.Sounds like your brother had the potential for a problem before he smoked pot.In situtations like this where someone points to an example or they use their own experience,it becomes anecdotal data,and is therefore not really useful for a scientific analysis of looking at the drug's potential as a whole. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 7/30/2007 7:50:09 AM | I think the point is that pot is no worse than other drugs that are legal, and more physically addictive than pot. Also, in the US, the federal government has no authority to prohibit such commerce since the repeal of the 21st Amendment.
From my perspective, reeferless madness is what is causing the governments paranoia concerning drugs, not reefer (pot). | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/14/2007 3:13:15 AM | | Smoking pot is a crime because so and so, in whatever country you live in passed a law that states it is. On a related note, if you don't agree with this law, then I suggest you hop on a plane and fly to Amsterdam. Find the doors Cafe and ask for White Widow. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/14/2007 7:59:04 AM | | Then by your logic HumbleP, Washington , Jefferson and the others should have just given up and gone else where? | |
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