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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/28/2008 2:24:57 PM | The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herer(you can access it online) chronicles and details the War on this drug. In short, politics and jockeying for position and power are the underlying reasons.
What else is new? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/29/2008 8:20:32 AM | Smoking pot should not be a crime. There are people who need it for medicinal purposes. My father was an advocate for medical marijuana a long time ago when he was in the Legislature, but he was unable to get the legislation passed to help sick people get the medicine that is best for them.
As long as you don't drive while high, then what's the beef? Its the same with alcohol. If you don't drink and drive, that's fine too! However, I'd rather be in a room full of people who smoke pot than a room full of falling down drunks puking all over the place (eeeewww). I never smoked pot in my life, but I have no problem with people doing so in the privacy of their homes. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/29/2008 9:55:26 PM | .
very simple; then the cia wouldnt make any money.
get rid of covert gov agencies then they will make it legal.
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/30/2008 11:05:46 AM |
we already have alcohol as a legal drug we don't need the gateway drug marijuana Meh, tobacco is the real gateway drug if there is such a thing.
to bring even MORE crackheads into our welfare system and our jails (and into our homes robbing and killing us for drug money and loot). that's assinine. Er, that's why pot should be decriminalized. Your trollish neo-conservative type of reasoning is what's asinine.
What do crackheads have to do with this thread? Nothing.
You do know there is a difference between crack and pot? Look it up sometime while you're having a beer. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/30/2008 2:46:40 PM | | I"d rather save the jail space for truly violent criminals such as murderers, rapists, and child molesters, so that they can be locked up for life with NO chance for parole, keeping them away from society for good rather than giving them a chance to reoffend. The occasional joint smoker is not the kind of person who needs to go to jail. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/30/2008 4:42:32 PM | [we already have alcohol as a legal drug we don't need the gateway drug marijuana to bring even MORE crackheads into our welfare system and our jails (and into our homes robbing and killing us for drug money and loot). that's assinine.]
that is just an ignorant statement i dont know a single stoner that breaks into any ones house for drug money . tweekers yes pot heads no . and as far as a gate way drug . what bs man before i quit i smoked pot for years and never even thought about trying anything else na di know MANY people that would say the same thing . lol | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/30/2008 4:46:12 PM | [i disagree. people who smoke pot should be jailed. the people who sell the pot should be jailed. the country who imports the drug should be penalized severely.
marijuana is a recognized harmful drug that leads to crack , meth and heroin use. there's no getting around it.
we have enough idiots in the world. we don't need legalization so that all these pothead dopers can drive their cars around in a stupor. it's assinine.]
 thats funny ! ........ oh ..... wait ...... is he serious?..... | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/30/2008 5:10:12 PM |
In 2006, 43.9 percent of the 1,889,810 total arrests for drug abuse violations were for marijuana -- a total of 829,627.
Of those, 738,916 people were arrested for marijuana possession alone. By contrast in 2000 a total of 734,497 Americans were arrested for marijuana offenses, of which 646,042 were for possession alone.
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/marijuan.htm
March 11, 2005 - Washington, DC, USA
Washington, DC: US marijuana policies, which rely primarily on criminal penalties and law enforcement, are wholly ineffective at controlling the use and sale of marijuana, concludes a comprehensive report issued today by the NORML Foundation. The report, entitled "Crimes of Indiscretion: Marijuana Arrests in the United States," includes a detailed examination of the fiscal costs associated with the enforcement of marijuana laws at the state and county level, as well as a complete demographic analysis of which Americans are most likely to be arrested for violating marijuana laws.
Among the reports' findings:
* The enforcement of state and local marijuana laws annually costs US taxpayers an estimated $7.6 billion, approximately $10,400 per arrest. Of this total, annual police costs are $3.7 billion, judicial/legal costs are $853 million, and correctional costs are $3.1 billion. In both California and New York, state fiscal costs dedicated to marijuana law enforcement annually total over $1 billion.
* Marijuana possession and sales arrests disproportionately impact black adults. African Americans are among the demographic groups most adversely impacted by marijuana law enforcement. While adult African Americans account for only 8.8% of the US population and 11.9% of annual marijuana users, they comprise 23% of all marijuana possession arrests in the United States.
* Marijuana possession and sales arrests disproportionately impact younger Americans. One out of every four marijuana possession arrests in the United States involves a person age 18 or younger. Seventy-four percent of all US marijuana possession arrests are for people under the age of 30. Marijuana users who are white, over 30 years old, and/or female are disproportionately unaffected by marijuana possession arrests.
* Over one million US teenagers sell marijuana. The enforcement of state and local marijuana laws has neither reduced adolescent demand for marijuana, nor has it reduced the number of teens supplying marijuana to other adolescents on the black market.
* Marijuana prohibition fails to produce intended results. Total US marijuana arrests increased 165% during the 1990s, from 287,850 in 1991 to 755,000 in 2003. However, these increased arrest rates have not been associated with a reduction in marijuana use, reduced marijuana availability, a reduction in the number of new marijuana users, reduced treatment admissions, reduced emergency room mentions of marijuana, any reduction in marijuana potency, or any increases in the price of marijuana.
NORML Executive Director Allen St. Pierre called the report an official "indictment" of US marijuana policy, noting that present US marijuana strategies resoundingly fail when measured against the federal government's handpicked drug use and public health indicators.
ttp://www.majorwager.com/forums/war-room/36226-norml-releases-
most-comprehensive-analysis-us-
marijuana-arrest-data-date.html
Arresting pot smokers is :
1) A lot easier
2) Make those "drug arrest numbers" look GREAT, increases jobs for everyone in the justice/prison system due to sheer volume. At year end, everyone gets to high five on another, and feel like they've actually DONE something.
3) Works as a weapon against those with the least ability to defend themselves, due to youth/race/poverty.
4) Not working at all, based on the fact those numbers are increasing dramatically each and every year. 
In my opinion, if one decriminalized it (not even legalizing it) and devoted all the manpower currently wasted on it onto the other (far more dangerous) drugs out there, you'd see far more reductions in crime and drug deaths across the nation. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/30/2008 5:24:18 PM |
marijuana is a recognized harmful drug that leads to crack , meth and heroin use. there's no getting around it.
Once again.I have used pot for over 35 years.Tried heroin once and got sick,never had an interest in crack and meth is just nasty.Most of my friends who smoke pot have never even tried anything stronger and have never had an interest in it.
Do you have an medical or scientific evidence to back up your post?Any scientific chemical cause/effect links? Didn't think so.Just shooting off your mouth with conservative propaganda like the rest of your ilk. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/30/2008 5:26:57 PM |
marijuana is a recognized harmful drug that leads to crack , meth and heroin use. there's no getting around it.
If that claim had any basis in fact, the already horrid numbers of crack, meth, and heroin addicts would explode geometrically.
It doesn't. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/30/2008 6:32:15 PM | MG excellent posts, as always.
We should be focusing on the much harder drugs that lead to violence such as heroin and cocaine, which are far more addictive and dangerous than marijuana, which has some valid medical uses. Jail space should not be wasted on the occasional toker. It galls me that rapists get off in three years while potheads tie up that space that should keep the rapist there for the rest of its life. Someone who tokes on occasion is harmless compared to rapists or even users of hard drugs. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/30/2008 9:23:38 PM | [mr. T, you should be in jail for a long time. using pot is a crime and you are a criminal]
yeah pot heads are hard core crimnals . i'll tell ya man your nothing if not the most arogant person i have ever met . but i must admit your comments make me laugh like something you would here one of the cops on reno 911 or super troopers say . lol . may i call you farva? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/30/2008 10:30:51 PM |
people don't just wake up one day and start shooting heroin. they start off slow with pot and work their way up
While it's almost certainly true that peple who use heroin started with pot first, it does not follow that everybody who uses pot will use heroin.
Plus these are pretty heady words for a guy that runs a tanning salon. The link between tannning salons and skin cancer is fairly substantive:
http://www.google.com/search?q=tanning+bed+cancer
Wheras you will not be able to find, prove or demonstrate a causative link between smoking pot and heroin use.
So, in effect you get paid to make people sick, but complain about something that's been used as medecine for 10,000 years.
I live for ironies like this. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/31/2008 8:12:45 PM | [looks like we have a lot of miscrents out there. i hope you are busted soon for your illegal criminal behavior. our society does not want you. decent american citizens do not do pot, dope or other mind altering substances. people that do these are on the lower rungs of moral behaviour and our society should shun them. yuck! ]
dude where do you get this stuff? no seriously . it's classic . wow what did you go to school with george bush????joe arpaio ??? who it's funny stuff man .i mean iwould debate with you but i am so busy rolling on the floor . sgt . joe friday just the facts mam lol . dude i will give you one thing you are the funniest arogant ass hole i have ever met . lol  | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/31/2008 8:13:16 PM | decent Americans citizens do not do pot,dope or other mind altering substances
first I always thought pot and dope were the same thing.Lots of 'decent Americans' use
prescription mind and body altering drugs.Are they 'low society'because they are depressed,overweight,have cancer,or drink cough syrup.Real Americans should keep quiet and do exactly what their good government tells them.
Buy new cell phones and Tv's and fight proxy wars in foreign lands Yes smokin dope is a crime! | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/31/2008 8:32:13 PM | decent american citizens do not do pot, dope or other mind altering substances.
Then society does not want you. You are a miscreant and a deviant person for drinking alcohol by your very own standards and definitions, please ignorance is more harmful to our society than pot ever will be. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/31/2008 8:35:06 PM |
people that do these are on the lower rungs of moral behaviour and our society should shun them.
Shun 70 million people ?
The obvious statistic not publicized by CASA is that most marijuana users - 83 percent - never use cocaine. Indeed, for the nearly 70 million Americans who have tried marijuana, it is clearly a "terminus" rather than a "gateway" drug.
http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/gateway.html
That list would include :
Robert Altman
Bill Maher
Jennifer Aniston
Norman Mailer
Louis Armstrong
Michael Bloomberg (NY mayor)
George W. Bush
Johnny Cash
Winston Churchill
Friedrich Nietzsche
Francis Ford Coppola
Jimmy Dorsey
Carl Sagan
Pierre Elliot Trudeau
Thomas Jefferson
John F Kennedy
Steven King
George Washington
Ted Turner
William F. Buckley
Bing Crosby
Sam Donaldson
Richard Feynman (Noble prize winning physicist)
Newt Gingrich ( admitted he smoked in college)
{"That was a sign we were alive and in graduate school in that era."
1995 article The Economist)
John Hay (US Secretary of State from 1898-1905 - hashish eater)
Jack London
Margaret Mead
Frances McDormand
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Former US Secretary of Health and Human Services Donna Shalala
Aaron Sorkin
Montel Williams
Rodney Dangerfield
Don Ho
Gene Krupa
Jack Nicholson
Buddy Rich
William Butler Yeats
Groucho Marx
Bill Gates
And probably a lot of people that you know.....
Bunch of lazy do nothings .....
Yeah , the operating system you are posting on was brought to you by a "miscrent."
On the other hand, in the Europe, where it's treated as it should be ?
Marijuana consumption drops in UK despite liberalized laws.
Official British Crime Statistics show that Cannabis (Marijuana) use has fallen significantly since its controversial reclassification in 2004.
The latest Home Office figures which were published on October 25th 2007 show the proportion of 16 to 24-year-olds who had used marijuana in the past year fell from 25% when the change in the law was introduced to 21% in 2006/07
Liberal approach pays off as use of cannabis drops to 10-year low
Saturday, 14 October 2006
The popularity of cannabis has plummeted with 600,000 fewer people smoking or eating marijuana than three years ago.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/liberal-approach-pays-off-as-use-of-cannabis-drops-to-10year-low-420000.html
The Netherlands ?
The results of drug policy in Netherlands
In the Netherlands 9.7% of young boys consume soft drugs once a month, comparable to the level in Italy (10.9%) and Germany (9.9%) and less than as in the UK (15.8%) and Spain (16.4%)[citation needed], but much higher than in, for example, Sweden (3%), Finland or Greece. Dutch rates of drug use are lower than U.S. rates in every category. [9] The monthly prevalence of drugs other than cannabis among young people (15-24) was 4% in 2004, that was above the average(3 %) of 15 compared countries in EU.[1]
The reported number of deaths linked to the use of drugs in the Netherlands, as a proportion of the entire population, is lower than the EU average. but the relevance of this is unclear since the methods for registration differ from country to country. The Dutch government is able to support approximately 90% of help seeking addicts with detoxification programs. Treatment demand is rising.
Another effect is a problem with an extensive drug tourism from other countries. Drug tourists are in many cases excluded from the drug related statistics from Netherlands.
Criminal investigations into more serious forms of organized crime mainly involve drugs (72%). Most of these are investigations of hard drug crime (specifically cocaine and synthetic drugs) although the number of soft drug cases is rising and currently accounts for 41% of criminal investigations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands
So as use increases in the US, as do arrests - they are going the other way and succeeding. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/31/2008 8:43:55 PM | So, drunks who puke should be shunned too? Alcoholism is a health care issue, as is addiction to pot. Moderate users of alcohol and pot are no problem and do not belong in jail. People who have serious alcohol/drug problems belong in rehab, but they need to admit they have a problem in order to succeed at becoming sober/clean. Jail isn't the answer for someone smoking one joint a week. It's overkill!!
Prohibition didn't work back then when we outlawed alcohol. Organized crime got into it big time. We have not learned our lessons from history. If pot was legal, then there's one less outlet for the Mafia and other criminals. And, people who need to use marijuana to relieve the effects of chemotherapy should be able to do so. My Dad would be rolling over in his grave if he knew that medical marijuana was still illegal. He died of cancer and suffered in the last month of his life. My father was in favor of medical marijuana back in the late 70s and 80s. (He died in 1986).
As I've said before, child molesters, rapists and murderers are the ones who belong in jail, not the person who smokes an occasional joint. Now, if they were driving under the influence of pot or alcohol ( a legal substance BTW), then yes, I have a beef. But to me, someone who has a joint at home, and doesn't drive until the effects wear off should not be punished for doing the equivalent of having a glass of wine and a cigarette after dinner.
"Lighten up!" is what one of my old friends used to say. 
For the record, I never have smoked marijuana but have been fortunate to not need it for medicine. I would refuse chemo unless I could toke to stop me from puking. Hopefully I'll never need it but if I ever do I hope that by that time pot is legal. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 1/31/2008 11:43:13 PM | Incarcerating pot smokers is counter-productive to our federal and state's budgets. If we would 'tax rather than giving the max' we would see tax revenues that parallel the revenues gained from cigarette taxes. (I have no valid data to support that statement) Instead, we spend a s.hit load of money keeping these harmless citizens locked up.
The legal reprecussions of using marijuana are far worse than the physical damage. That concludes the debate for me.
Those who are able to think outside the box belittle themselves by debating with those who are brainwashed. | |
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| I shot the sheriff
Posted: 2/1/2008 1:30:02 AM | Nobody grins like that without being on something. Come on, spill. Prozac? Ativan? ****itol? what? Come on coppertop you're among friends, you can tell us.
looks like we have a lot of miscrents out there. i hope you are busted soon for your illegal criminal behavior. our society does not want you. decent american citizens do not do pot, dope or other mind altering substances. people that do these are on the lower rungs of moral behaviour and our society should shun them. yuck!
decent american citizens do not do pot, dope
Really? Then why does your government import them directly?
http://www.archive.org/details/Gary_Webb2
Decent Americans die 50,000 a year in drunk driving accidents. It's the American way. something to do while those war profit checks roll on it.
But I did not shoot the deputy too. <--- sekret kewl druggie code. be afraid. be very afraid. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 2/1/2008 3:00:30 AM | | It's illegal since it is a drug and causes crazy thoughts in your head. Makes you lazy. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 2/1/2008 8:03:08 AM |
causes crazy thoughts in your head. Makes you lazy.
Give an example of a crazy thought and I'll let you know if I get those types of thoughts.Lazy?Let's see,I work 2 full time jobs,one of them 7 days a week and a managerial position at that,and I go the gym at least 5 times a week.Yes,I'm a lazy pot head,guilty as charged. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 2/1/2008 10:35:59 PM | | You talk about Marinol My last G/F was a cancer patient and I can tell you for a fact that smoking weed worked much better for her than Marinol ever did it was also one hell of a LOT less expensive Herf Marinol scrip ran about $1500 per month pot cost her around $200. Why is the govermment Not doingany real studies cioncerning medical use for weed Because the pharmacutical companies make a fortune off of Marinol. I also have freinds that have glaucoma they alsop smoke weed to control the effects of it. As a matter of fact they get their supply of it sent to them by the Feds As for Hemp I have yet to figure out Why we can import it by the mega-tons but are not allowed to grow it herre. It has a lot of uses you can make cloth paoper and fuel from it Yes that's right FUEL this was done dureing WW2 Hell Gdeore Bush Sr. owes his life to a Hemp plant How do I firgure Skimple. The oil in the ejector seat of the plane he bailed out of was derived from hemp seed. the riggings of his parachute came from hemp fiber as did the thread and faric of thdeMae West he was wearing at the time . Futher more you could smoke a ton of hemp and all you would possibly get is a headache. Also if you plant Hemp nexy to Cannibus sativa (The weed you can catch a buss on ) you end up with all pants being hemp. Hemp also is a great soil conditiner as it can loosen up some of the hardest grfound IIf you care to reasearch it you will find that the U.S. constitution and delaration of Independance were wriiten on hemp paper. Both washington and Jefferson grew hemp and a one time there was a lw that required famers to grow hemp Back to medical Weed Same G?F was also bi polar schitsiphernic Weed worked better than 985 of the anti phcotics the shrinks had her on All the spriops they gave for that did was causedf massive weght gain and turned her into a walking zombie for 3-4 days at a time. Our goverment needs to allow some real reasearch into medical marijuana and stop playing footsie wityh the drug companies . also they should quit with the old tired bs they have been trying to hand us since backto when they tried to con us all with anti pot scare tatics like the orginal Reefer Madness Movie | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 2/1/2008 10:46:40 PM | | Please prove that pot leads to crack meth & heroin use If you bother to check i would be willing to bet that every last one of the crack heads and junkies started off useng alcohol 1st. The vast majority of the people I know that smoke pot are non violent This can not be said about the drunks I have run acroos We should be keeping the rapisists & pedophiles in jail for life. We turn them loose but yet we keep non voiolent peopkle in jail just because they hasppen to possess weed. This makes no sense at all | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 2/1/2008 10:52:06 PM |
america doesn't want people like you in our society. we would all be better off without you. most decent americans feel this way about you lowly people who need to inhale the noxious weed and then work your way up the dope ladder until you become thieves, robbers and murderers. that is exactly why smoking pot is a crime. i only wish we had more jails to inter you sick people.
This is such an ignorant and sickening response... You need to get a grip.
That attitude is exactly what is wrong with our world. | |
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