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Posted: 10/30/2005 2:09:14 PM | i'm not going to argue semantics with you bright. whether it be the "law" or the "constitution" that secures a woman's absolute "right to privacy", the end result is the same... "right to privacy" and contrarty to your belief, that "right" is absolute.
feel free to browse through this thread for more information on the stages of pregnancy... i.e. zygote vs. fetus or do your own research if you like about the different stages if you'd like to know more specific information. in any event... the black and white about this issue is that it is currently legal for a woman to have an abortion without consulting anyone and whether i agree with it or not, whether you agree with it or not, women are entitled to make these private decisions for themselves without interference from the government or any other entity. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2005 2:30:27 PM | But it is NOT an absolute right, the government waive that right to privacy all the time when they tap peoples phones or check your lugage at the airport.
And whilst I agrea that it is almost always a desision best left to the woman, I do not agrea that it is ALWAYS so. In law there are NO absolute laws that are unmutable and unshakable. Everything has an expetional case and there are more and more of them happening in abortion law. It is now posible for a fetaus in the last days posible for abortion to survive and grow into a fully developed baby. So it will continue to be more of an issue with the lines growing even more fuzzy as we develop new technologies techniquies and understandings. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2005 2:44:11 PM | As a Celtic Religion practicioner, I support full Woman's rights.
It's high time the men stop reading the Man-Written Bible during sex and stop lying to women while holding the often called Holy Bible.
Women, under Celtic Law, have full rights to the Fetus until the unmbillical cord is cut.
That means if the Woman does not like the look of the ugly little creature, she can kill it before she cuts the umbillical cord.
Fact is, Humans are mammals, they breath Air. Fetuses are part of the woman's body until the umbillical is cut.
I have to quote Scripture here:
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The Ulster Dead Lake Scrolls:
Book of Ainse. If we are Celtic, we must conform to Celtic Law.
Ainse 7:41 "The baby is not a baby until the umbillical is cut, the woman has full rights over her body until then.."
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It is Written. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2005 5:02:40 PM | filmmaker... although i'm not celtic i do agree that the woman has full rights over her body. i don't believe i could ever condone a woman killing her child once it's born but i do respect your viewpoint despite being conflicted with a portion of the law you stated.
and bright... the right to privacy as it relates to abortion is completely different than having your luggage searched on private property, especially considering the post 9/11 world we live in today. again... compare apples to apples if you're going to make comparisons at all. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2005 8:02:01 AM | I am compairing apples to apples. If the secrity agents have reason to belive you of suspicious activity, they can force you to submit to an intimit medical examination, how dose this differ exactly? Both are an invasion of your intimit privacy. The right to privacy is the same no mater what the situation, it can be waived when circumstances call for it. The question is do the circumstances of abortion ever cal for the right to be waived?
My opinion is that most of the time they should not, but not every time.
And what about the right to life as well?
My opinion would be that the right to life dose not begin until the fetus is developed enougth to survive if misscaried naturaly, but due to recent developments with medical science, there is now an overlap between the last date of termintion, and the date at which a fetus is capable of survivng. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2005 10:17:54 PM | bright... the day i ever give someone a reason to "force me to submit to an intimit medical examination" is the day someone will have h-e-l-l to pay if they don't get a search warrant first. you have two entirely different scenarios goin' on in your head and they are at two entirely different ends of the spectrum. do a little research and post any link you can find that supports your comparison and maybe i'll see things differently. i happen to know that NO ONE can FORCE anyone to submit to a cavity search without first serving them with a warrant to do so. i have no idea where you get your information but i'm feeling you've been seriously misinformed.
in any event... even hypothetically speaking... if a woman publicly announced her intention to get an abortion... there would be nothing anyone could do to stop her from having that procedure done.
as for your belief that the right to life does not begin until the fetus is developed enough to survive if miscarried naturally... that's seems a bit backwards. women don't typically wait that long to have abortions and most doctors will not perform abortions on women passed a certain point in their pregnancy.
i'm not going to go round and round with you on this subject... post some valid links to support your ideas and maybe i'll respond to you again. til then... i'll have to bow out of this conversation as it's making me dizzy. ;) | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 10/31/2005 10:22:04 PM | strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
I'll bet $50 and a bottle of forty year old cognac that this thread continues to run in circles until enough people start a flame war, that it gets deleted...for those who claim nothing is impossible: Slam a revolving door. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2005 10:37:38 PM | I've also avoided this thread because these debates never ever ever ever lead anywhere but anger on both sides of the fence. But heck, it's Halloween and my mood can't get any worse, so here we go.
I'm Pro-Life. That's it, end of story. If you're raped, I'm incredibly sorry for a horrible thing that happened, but what about adoption? Why not give the kid a chance. You don't have to keep him/her, but there are people on waiting lists YEARS long for babies.
Life/Death situation: That's a rough one. I'm not a doctor, so I can't give any specific opinions on this. So I won't try. All I can say is, if there is a significant risk, then get the little surgery so pregnancy isn't possible.
I guess what gets me so angry are the people that use abortion as a birth control rather than a last resort. Morally I believe it to be wrong, so that's what I'm going to stick to.
I don't know if I'll be returning to this thread, so if any of you want to discuss further, just e-mail me. | |
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