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Posted: 8/29/2005 4:39:22 PM | it is unfortunate that in today’s age and time, this is still looked down upon…
I guess I can summarize it in one word that I have learned in my college days of anthropology “ethnocentrism” or my made up word "ethno-race”... | |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 9:45:35 PM | The more you write, the more you expose yourself as being exactly what you profess to detest in others.
Exactly what might that be? Its interesting,that in an discussion of ideas,there is always someone so full of negativity and ignorance that they must fling accusations and negative innuendo without any factual basis in a personal attack instead of being adult and displaying intellect by debating facts,ideas and theory.
Race has 'no' genetic basis, nor difference? " Not one gene?" Hmmm, how then would one explain sickle cell enemea only being contracted by mostly blacks? Must be something in the DNA that is a tad different than whites and other races. If only blacks contract the majority of sickle cell, then there would have to be a difference between their biological makeup and the Imperialist white American male.
After your 1st statement showed your obvious negativity this quote has shown your ignorance and slant. Sickle Cell IS found in many people of African descent, it is ALSO found as prominantely in Greeks,Turks,Croats,Southern Italians,Albianians and other mediteranean people.Are Albanians "black"? How about Greeks?
So, what is the difference? If all the same genetically, why the total difference in development of a so called 'civilized' society?
Although I should tell you to start a thread for racist instead of trying to make THIS thread to be something it is NOT.I WILL respond THIS time simply because I like to dispell ignorance
Lets see,you ask why did Africans develop civilizations at a different time than others..... Because it all began in or near Africa....Civilization,culture,.....HUMANITY!
Regardless of whether an evolutionist or creationist HUMANITY began in or near what is NOW called Africa!
1st Cluture? African.... 1st Art? ...African(25-10,000BCSouthern and northern Africa) 1st Agriculture?... African 1st Civilization? African The 1st wheel? Mesopotamia (3,500bc)The 1st spoked wheel? Africa (2500BC) The 1st sign of a wheel in Europe? 1400BC ...African 1st Civilization? African (Nubian/Egypt 4000BC).....others simply developed later because Africa is the mother.
Now,that this has been stated I should inform you that the discussion here is on dating and race,NOT "can you help me learn what I should have learned in school"
If there are things you simply don't understand about my post,feel free to read it a few more times slowly.  Civilization its development and where it began has nothing to do with genetics. You simply do not understand the concepts.
If you try to change the theme of this disscussion to something other than the concept of DATING and race as this thread is about DATING outside of "race",you will 1)bore and bother those who are here for the intended topic and 2)close the thread if you continue to spout racist ideologies/opinions that have little/nothing to do with the actual topic. Particualarly if you continue to make this a PERSONAL attack instead of a factual/ideological 1 as your post began.
I stated my opinion and left the refereces from experts in a variety of fields from genetics to anthropology.....there is a statement by the American Anthropological Association as well as 1 simply from PBS....all reputable. My case on THAT issue has been made. 1 can simply accept or reject. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:10:48 AM | J David-
However, I sometimes wonder how the African nations with as much, or more, natural resources as the rest of the world has had--- have done absolutely nothing with them over thousands of years. With your vast knowledge you've displayed here, please do explain this to an Imperialist white American male.
No prob!! Always happy to help an Imperialist white American male (believe it or not- there is no sarcasm intended here- just plain ol' bratty humour).
Africa is indeed the only continent in the world who's poverty is on the rise. Why? Well, I can tell you it damn sure isn't because they've "done absolutely nothing" with their resources. Here's a few mitigating factors you're evidently unaware of-
--First off- They WEREN'T always behind the rest of the world. In fact, Aricans visited the Americas before Columbus (in about the 1300s, so admittedly after the Vikings, although there's some evidence that they may have been coming over for centuries before).
---They discovered the process for smelting iron ore into steel two millenia before Bessimer rediscovered it (although there was so little iron in Africa that it didn't help much).
---At one time there were more schools in the capital city of the Mali empire than there were in all of Europe (during part of the middle ages).
---Their main problem is that they've always been a target for invasion because, contrary to popular belief, most African societies aren't warlike. From the fall of Rome up until the Renaissance, most of Africa was more advanced than most of Europe in nearly every area except warfare. Because they concerned themselves more with trade than with warfare, they became targets for invasion, very early on (Egyptian era) by Asian invaders who took the world's first civilization from them, then by Rome, then when they were finally free from Rome, by Arab/Muslim invaders and finally by European colonialists.
----To be truthful- the statement that Africa is not moving forward is somewhat of a fallacy unto itself. Some African nations (presently) are boasting the greatest rates of increase in new internet users in the world. However, it remains true that Africa's share of world trade has plummeted, accounting for less than 2 %. More than 140 million young people in Africa are illiterate, and Africa is the only region where the numbers of children out of school is rising. Life expectancy in Africa is the lowest in the world, and continues to decrease with HIV/AIDS incidence rates of more than 25 percent in some countries. More than 200 million Africans have no access to health services, and more than 250 million lack access to safe drinking water. One African in five is affected by armed conflict and the number of civilian casualties of war is higher than anywhere else in the world.
Now, let's take a wider look at Africa and de-colonisation. The majority of withdrawals from Africa by the imperial powers was done during the cold war. That meant for anyone wanting to get skills and investment into their country had to place themself on one side of the political fence, and some African nations went for the Soviet Union (which in the fifties and early sixties wasn't as stupid a move as it looks in hindsight). It's also more appealing to the nations who had just gotten out of the shackles of Europe because it was capitalism that took Europe to Africa in the first place.
On the point of centralism; regardless of whether it's a left wing or right wing centralism, centralism is 100% vital in the development of these newly independant countries for the establishment of stability within a power vacuum.
Oh and stability in Africa wasn't helped by the CIA assassinating any leftwing leader, whether they were connected to the soviets or not, during the cold war.
The problem for Africa today is infrastructure, stability, skills and corruption. You can't have a working country without a good network of road, rails and ports. These can't be built without stability (back to centralism) and skills. All attempts at this is at least weakened throughout Africa if not totally blown by prevelant corruption. Government officials in the first world can be corrupt without any huge damage being done (and many of them certainly are corrupt) but corruption in Africa means lives lost. So the western governments should encourage african governments to stamp down on corruptions by offering them benefits, such as free trade agreements. Although many will go for the quick gains of corruption, if one or two african nations start really doing well out of it the others will either change or be toppled by their populations.
I always find it humorous how, when dealing with Africa, people always reduce it to "culture" or lack hard work or some other such ideolgy. they never look at the fact of how the countries are corruptly run. how european, american and asian companies take all the money from natural resources out of the countries of Africa. this coupled with the fact that these same countries have billions of debt from the IMF and world bank which stifles there development nationally.
Just a few factors to consider J David. Notice that I didn't even mention Slavery?
** Just some food for thought. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 9:23:37 AM | From personal experience, I think it is strictly a matter of taste and culture. No one can or should legislate taste. There are conservative sweet suburban ladies who hangout with bikers, etc. etc.
I have dated and married a caucasian ( your typical svelte blue eyed blonde), oops did I stereotype ? Well, culturaly we were compatible, socially as well, what did us in was our inability to get along. Being South Asian/Caucasian myself, I have faced some prejudice from the old country traditional South Asian lot. So my point is, it was their ignorance, preference and choice that directed their acceptance of me.
The best hook between two people is when the head, the heart and the crotch all match. Hey, its a tough call, and in the end it is heart whic remains when all else fades with time.
We might meet exquisite aliens and then it will be a whole new other debate, with wannabees wanting get plastic surgery to imitate those aliens. A third eye implant perhaps, who knows ? | |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 9:31:13 AM | I strongly suggest 'you' re read my post. I stated 'mostly' with respects to sickle cell. Not 'all'. Just proves a point I've made for a long time---- once my words leave my computer, I'm not responsible for what someone reads.
Personal attacks? I think not. Simply replying to what you've written. YOU are the one labeling anyone that disagrees with your warped concepts 'racist'. If , by opposing you, that labels me a racist, then I wear the badge proudly.
I always find it interesting, the most vocal among people proclaiming diluting of races, black men aspiring to date white women. However, I do not blame you.
The indisputable fact remains, the continent of Africa, with the notable exception of South Africa, which until late was under white European descendents control, has made NO progress on the world frontier of technology improvements. To blame it on others, is irresponsible, and simply placing blame on others, instead of where it belongs.
To the issue of 'slavery'. Black men sold their brothers into slavery. It is that simple. If you wish to blame someone for Africa's ills. Blame Africa. Do not blame the countries who purchased a readily available product.
If America is the evil white empire you despise so much, why not go back to "Mother Africa?" Could be, because they deal with insurgents a lot more harshly then we do. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 10:29:43 AM | | I have no real issues, I guess this is what one calls matter of preference. Some guys are not attracted to another race and it could be for any number of reasons. I for one would'nt object to dating someone of another race. I think it would be rather interesting to explore each others cultures. Besides who cares what anybody else thinks, so long as your partner and you are happy. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 1:54:06 PM | J David
I always find it interesting, the most vocal among people proclaiming diluting of races, black men aspiring to date white women.
The indisputable (???) fact remains, the continent of Africa, with the notable exception of South Africa, which until late was under white European descendents control, has made NO progress on the world frontier of technology improvements. To blame it on others, is irresponsible, and simply placing blame on others, instead of where it belongs.
To the issue of 'slavery'. Black men sold their brothers into slavery. It is that simple.
Hmm.
I have absolutely nothing to add, and I have no sarcasm or preaching to get involved in. Although it's incredibly tempting- I won't bother to refute anything you've said.
I think anyone reading your statements will be fully able to draw their own conclusions as to your beliefs, and their validity. No need to worry about anyone twisting your words- they speak for themselves.
Now let's all take a deep breath- and get back to the topic at hand-
me dating J David's daughter. (Hah!! Sorry- couldn't resist!!). 
Seriously though- let's all chill out!! | |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 4:32:42 PM | Just to be sure that no one is confused, I think this is what J David is trying to say:
So, what is the difference? If all the same genetically, why the total difference in development of a so called 'civilized' society? Why the differences in resistance to disease?
I do believe it is called genetics.
Again, not better, not worse, just different.
Note the bold text. I find it rather sad that someone would publicly force another into a defensive stance by labeling him a racist. Personally, I find J David to be a bit of a realist.
There has been much discussed in this thread, rather maturely I might ad. That's a big plus. There are some things I would like to reply to but I am in agreement with flidias as to taking a big breath and relaxing.
So far, it seems to be ok to date whomever you want. Date other races or exclusively date your own, all ok. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 11:45:45 AM | 'mostly' with respects to sickle cell
I never said you stated differently,I simply informed you of the FACTS.
Personal attacks? I think not. Simply replying to what you've written
I quoted your statement I deemed a personal attack. Your statement had nothing to do with reference to anything I said.
I always find it interesting, the most vocal among people proclaiming diluting of races, black men aspiring to date white women. However, I do not blame you.
Again you show yourself.......WHO do you" not blame"
IF by that you refer to me, you must be joking! I aspire to date WOMEN...I have absolutely NO preference for white women.....I love WOMEN by orientation and intellectual elavation I do not limit my spectrum by someone else's concept of "race".I don't allow anyone's negativity to shackle me. My posts should be VERY clear on that fact.
If America is the evil white empire you despise so much, why not go back to "Mother Africa
If you have issue with African Americans,Native Americans or any ethnic group that has voiced and continues to voice opposition to racism and imperealism why not go back to Europe?
As far as the continent of Africa's contributions in technology the FACT is that you are greatly misinformed. To post EVERY technological contribution given by the continent of Africa and its descendents in the diaspora would be a lenghty one and NOT in line of the topic here. If this is what you wish,as I sated start a thread for racist ideologies and I will vistit to inform. The topic here is DATING.
Give me an intelligent,open,honest,warm,caring,compassionate,passionate,affectionate,understanding,supportive,spiritual,playful,fun,woman of great integrity and CHARACTER who is NOT simply A character who happens to have a zest for life,expressive eyes,sensuous lips,soft skin and waistline that goes in and a round full protruding bubble butt and I'm happy
I have enough things on my wish list,"race" would ONLY complicate and deterriorate my list. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 1:19:25 PM | | Race is such a silly thing to base a prejudice on. I have dated women of many different races and have found that cultural differences are far more problematic. My being from the southeast dating caucasians from california produces more problems than any other consideration...some funny stories there.lol My sister married a Pakistani and his family are some of the most wonderful people I have ever met. His parents come over about every two years and even with a bit of a language barrier, we are never together without laughter and joy. When my sister passed away two years ago, my brother-in-law's family came in from all over the country to share in our mourning and they provided such comfort. I still consider them to be my family as do they, and we still talk and get together occasionally. Sorry for the ramble, but race should never be a deciding factor in a relationship. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 2:24:39 PM | I honestly find something beautiful about every race of people. I love all races of people reguardless of color because GOD made us anyway. I love all groups of women because they are all beautiful in their own special way. Women make life enjoyable for us "guys" when we find love. We just need 2 find the right woman aside from what color she is.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 2:45:42 PM | | YOU NEED TO GET HELP WITH THAT ANGER. GOD BLESS YOU. PLEASE GET SOME HELP. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2005 3:50:35 AM | Some object due to Bigotry
Some seek it due to Novelty
both are wrong
....race or creed is not a factor, in a relationship it is compatibility. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2005 5:03:47 AM | ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, i have no problem dating outside my race.... if there's attraction why not....... i believe dating should have anything to do with colour....... but i guess i'm very open........ people can say what they want..... aslong as we are happy who cares....  love shouldn't be about colour.........  | |
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Posted: 9/7/2005 5:12:39 AM | __Dating outside youe FACE. My how do you do that?
Doc 
O.K. Let's get to the topic. I have yet to date outside the human race but I am open to it. Hehehe... | |
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Posted: 9/7/2005 5:35:50 AM | | Doc^^^ well if you were to ask any of the faces on Mount Rushmore...it takes on a whole new meaning. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2005 7:26:59 AM | | Insecure people will always find something to try to bolster their egos, the "us vs. them" mentality. Beware the narrow minds, there is only one human race. Society and cultural attitudes are shifting to a more human view, though sadly not fast enough. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 9:52:48 PM | I,m not sure where your from fullcount! or where your observation comes from. look around you there are mixed relations everywhere its become quite common infact. Unfortunately! there are still many closed minded people but i,m not sure thats ever gonna change. Personally i would date outside my race with-out a problem, a beautiful and attractive/intellent woman is just that.. | |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:49:09 AM | yeah what she said ... this was a simple question thread and only got analized to death
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Posted: 9/13/2005 12:49:43 PM | ^^^^ Any question related to race becomes complicated in a hurry m'dear! Same goes for religion, sex, politics........women........
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Posted: 9/13/2005 12:59:07 PM | Well I don't know about the women part - but there are a lot of people out there that will not see eye to eye on the others.
Personally I don't care about race, sometimes culture can be a problem if your religions are that much in conflict.
What matters is how the both of you respect and treat eachother. If you can find someone that your respect that can respect you back who the heck cares about the color of the skin.
We all bleed the same (and hurt the same) | |
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